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    Advice for rAFC's

    It's a marathon, not a sprint.
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    No success!!

    They're not all into the football guys... trust me. You just have to work until you find the ones who are into you. Maybe you should relax a little bit in case you're coming off as trying too hard around the ladies. It will take time to develop your game- it's a marathon, not a sprint.
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    I have been reading with interest the advise that "the doc" gives on the sosuave.com

    I don't think Doc provides any particular insight or expertise. To me, a successful system will help you get some of those borderline chicks that don't fall right into your lap but could still be won over with the right approach. Doc's system will most likely cause you to LOSE those borderline...
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    My pursuit comes to an end

    Dude, I'm cringing for you when I read this. There's no reason to do this. Plus it's just proof that what you said about really wanting to be only friends with her isn't true. [/B] Just rationalization here... and I don't believe that, even in the face of her getting engaged, you're as...
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    I have been reading with interest the advise that "the doc" gives on the sosuave.com

    I think Doc is about the only "guru" (ie. guys trying to make money peddling their so-called expert advice) whose basic concepts are worth keeping in mind. Some of his specific advice (don't call until a week after you get a number, don't accept anything other than "home" numbers, don't...
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    How do you act around a girl you see out after she flaked on you...

    Oscar- what do you mean? Suppose a new girl won't return your call or won't agree to make a date. How would you recover?
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    Can anyone tell me where my game is breaking down and why?

    You need to change your thinking. I bet that your goal with these women is to get their number. To be more successful, your goal needs to be to establish rapport and develop attraction. Getting the number's just a side note in this. I could go out and get numbers from chicks everywhere by...
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    Frustration- Going from meeting to dating.

    Actually, I don't think it's necessary to post all the details, because I think the dates themselves go really well. The points about making sure all the ideas are unique are good, as well as keep the charm working the same as the night you meet and not relaxing. It's probably also a very...
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    Frustration- Going from meeting to dating.

    I don't think this necessarily applies to my most recent situation, but yeah- it's definitely a good point to pay much attention to what you pick out for dates, and not to relax as far as the way you act once you've made the pick-up and gotten out on the date. On a related note- have any of...
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    Has this forum changed?

    Yeah, I do get a kick out of the new guys who start a thread about how they have oneitis and can't even get the nerve up to do a simple approach and number close, and a month later they're senior DJ level giving out advice here and there as if they'd been doing it for years. Most of the time...
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    Frustration- Going from meeting to dating.

    OddTech- yeah, sounds like we're in reasonably similar situations. I think these are some good points. I know I don't project desparation. But, when stuff like this with the women happens, I probably do privately let it get to me more than it should. And particularly when it's someone...
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    Frustration- Going from meeting to dating.

    Guys, I'm really at my wits' end here. I've spent a lot of time over the past year year trying to go from a guy whose luck with women historically only came when something just fell into my lap to someone who could take charge and really make things happen on my own. To a large extent, I've...
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    dyd, roff jeffries

    If you subscribe to his little Email newsletter you'll probably read some examples now and then in there. But seriously, if you find it hard to be that way, maybe you should develop an approach which is more suitable to your personality. Despite what DD would tell you, there are ways other...
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    yep, I'm really f'd in the head now

    There's an awful lot of stuff you can do right now to make her NOT ever want to reconsider her desire for space. Most of those things are probably exactly what you have the urge to do right now. You're just gonna have to let her know how you feel about her and then just chill and let it be...
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    43 year old needs dating advice

    Yeah, you can lie a little bit about your experience. The women want to know that you're not married or screwed up so that's why they ask. Your first step in developing a game will be to start getting good canned answeres to these questions in your head. Dude, remember that these chicks are...
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    signals from a sunshine girl

    First of all 2 months is not briefly. Second, if you can't figure out what her deal is by being there in person, how are we gonna do it with a few lines you typed out? If you like this chick then you've got to simply ask her out and make sure she understands it's a date and not hanging out as...
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    Speed Dating Revisited

    So, MisterAl- are you saying that even when you approached this girl at the very end you still didn't get her number then and instead you actually waited and went through the whole process through the speed dating service to get her info so you could hook up?
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    Answering Machines IS it cool to leave a MESSAGE???

    I have better things to do than redialing some chick's number all the time. Plus, you liked Starman's idea- Isn't that talking to a machine??? I never said you had to leave the same ole stereotypical boring message. I've just found, consistently, that a girl who isn't even interested enough...
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    Answering Machines IS it cool to leave a MESSAGE???

    Women/girls have caller ID. So they will know you called. If you block the caller ID then they will know that they gave their number out to a guy and then they started getting more "Private" calls than usual. Eventually, they may pick up on the Private call, it will be you so they'll figure...
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    Speed Dating Revisited

    Excellent info MisterAl (great, now you may have talked me back into it). Let me ask you one question first. What exactly do you do during the intermission and mingling time? Are you approaching ones you already talked to, getting a jump on ones you haven't talked to yet? Are you actually...
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