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There is this misconception that a friendzoned guy is always going for some Stacey/Staceylite out of his league. Not necessarily.

Along the lines of status… The peer pressure for her to stay with Chads is higher. Most guys DGAF if their buddy is dating down in looks (or up in age or weight). But women can be brutal to their friends that appear to be “settling.”

Just joking. Those are probably the billboard dimensions.

6’ x 12’ is impressive

I hear ya. Chicks don’t typically ask salary. They ask what you do and then research it online or do a mental guesstimate of what that career pays.

Height, hair and money. Have 3. Have 2. Or have a LOT of 1 lol. Her short genes are somehow “exempt.”

My understanding is the “nice guys” typically do take things slow, use lots of foreplay, and focus on her pleasure.* Those aren’t really their problems. Looks and attraction stuff aside, they probably lack an aggressive/assertive, take charge energy to make her feel “taken.” They are...

Precisely. You explained it a lot better than I could have. “If you will not accept OLD, we will shame you (in-person approachers) until you do.”

The 63% just need to: 1. “Take a shower.” 2. “Improve their communications skills.” 3. “Just take a dance class brah.” LOL.

The powers that be want to force everybody onto OLD.

I would say that reputation is critical in a social circle. Even if the guy has normie looks, he must have a dating history that is somehow known to the social circle. For example, if he dates at least one of the chicks from the circle, that will generally give him a positive reputation. Or...

In all fairness, women do a pretty decent job at hiding their sexual desires from unattractive (and even many average) guys. So I can’t really blame him for being uninformed.

Absolutely.

I think yupppie was originally a derogatory 80s term for certain white collar professionals. It was a dig against (real or perceived) snobbery. (Intentional misspell)

Yeah. I really liked her. I was 29 at the time. She was a very cute 23 blonde. It was our 3rd date. Everything was going perfectly up until that point. Then it was game over. If we had hooked up before, it would have been cute and totally forgivable. But I was still in the...

Yes. I was watching a movie on the couch with this chick way back. We started making out heavily. (She picked a night where her roommate was out. It was totally on for us.) Anyway, it was a very funny movie playing on the tv where I knew the lines. During the makeout, I could overhear...

Yup. ST, one thing I used to talk about on here was the following… Years ago, the ONS bar/club pickups I observed in the field were fairly serious in nature. The guy’s conversation with the chick was fairly dry or businesslike in tone before they’d leave together. I really didn’t see...

Yes

And just to be clear, I’m referring to purely verbal “game” above.

I always found it interesting that women generally don’t recommend “game” to guys. I had many discussions with female friends over the years about dating, hooking up, etc. Never once did they recommend or suggest I work on my “game.”