Someone explain to me why Incels are so heavily involved in discussions about game/dating/sex.

[BergischerLöwe]

My understanding is ER wanted hot blonde sorority girls. Way out of his league. He certainly could have gotten a less attractive girl. So. I don’t think he was a true incel.

The biggest flaw with Rodger was his extreme lack of self awareness. He legitimately expected that wearing designer clothes to college would make women just go up and start talking to him, for example. He refused to consider any other option than what his own misinformed mind told him. Truly he was a mental case in every sense of the word. He may not have been truly an incel but his crimes were still a turning point, as they sparked media interest in the incel phenomenon and brought the issue to the mainstream.

 

[BergischerLöwe]

Any legitimate solution would be defying feminism and praising the patriarchy to these dimwits.

My point exactly

 

[BergischerLöwe]

But they don't want help. The main characteristics of an Incel are arrogance and stubbornness. They literally have a cop out theory for any help you give them.

Indeed there are some that are so deep in the black pill that it's too late for them. But we can still save the souls that are tempted by the black pill but aren't yet too far gone

 

[Styr]

You cannot just quit thinking about women lol especially when you are constantly around them. Monks are able to do this because they live in women free zones.

The monastic community of Mount Athos lives not only in a women-free-zone, but also a female-animal-free-zone. Wonder, if it is related?

 

[Mike32ct]

They can still fail at social circles. I know plenty of normie guys in social circles that are just end up being the butt end of jokes and people will only refer them to low tier women. Lack of game/self-awareness is going to plague wherever you go.

I would say that reputation is critical in a social circle. Even if the guy has normie looks, he must have a dating history that is somehow known to the social circle.

For example, if he dates at least one of the chicks from the circle, that will generally give him a positive reputation. Or if it is known that he has had a recent gf from outside the circle, that’s good too.

But, if the circle knows that he’s been single/dateless from say a year or more, it’s over for him. The social circle knows he’s a ‘cel, and they will make fun of him behind his back and/or stop inviting him to events/parties.

TLDR: Even in a social circle, it has to be a guy who is already getting laid.

 

[Styr]

If the alpha of the circle is some chad/chadlite guy and you are average/below average then you'll be invisible to the women there as they will only notice him socially, whether he agrees with you or not. How many people on here have even meet anyone through their social circle? People like @SW15 has never met anyone that went anywhere using a social circle, but he likes to advise it all the time. It's one of the worst ways to meet anyone.

Social circles are great. Especially if your social circle interacts with other social circles. The fraternity/sorority system is a great example.

 

[NealIRC]

Technically an employment-cel is a NEETCel (Not in Employment, Education, or Training).

No, I have a bachelor's degree and some certificates.

Are you asking how to FriendZoneMax as a way to get poon? The proper term for this is SocialCircleMaxxing, and it's quite hard to force oneself into a good one.

For your 2nd part, no, more like trying to stand somewhere shirtless, and making women go "I wouldn't want to be relationship with him, but I could at least friendzone him."

 

[CornbreadFed]

Social circles are great. Especially if your social circle interacts with other social circles. The fraternity/sorority system is a great example.

It applies to greek life as well. You can still be a frustrated chump in a fraternity if you are labeled a cel.

 

[CornbreadFed]

It’s not crabs in the bucket, but there’s another term for it. If people label you beneath them, they generally don’t want to see you succeed because it makes them feel bad about themselves. If the group & alpha do not see you on their level then they will cvck block you and do everything to keep you beneath them.

Now you don’t have to be a cel or weird to even get the scarlet S. You could simply be seen as a threat by an insecure alpha male or be seen as uncool because you aren’t a sports betting bro. Either way, you are better off being a lone wolf if social circle game didn’t naturally feed you women.

 

[corrector]

It’s not crabs in the bucket, but there’s another term for it. If people label you beneath them, they generally don’t want to see you succeed because it makes them feel bad about themselves. If the group & alpha do not see you on their level then they will cvck block you and do everything to keep you beneath them.

Now you don’t have to be a cel or weird to even get the scarlet S. You could simply be seen as a threat by an insecure alpha male or be seen as uncool because you aren’t a sports betting bro. Either way, you are better off being a lone wolf if social circle game didn’t naturally feed you women.

The whole system is like.that. We.should know.

 

[SW15]

My understanding is ER wanted hot blonde sorority girls. Way out of his league. He certainly could have gotten a less attractive girl. So. I don’t think he was a true incel.

The biggest flaw with Rodger was his extreme lack of self awareness. He legitimately expected that wearing designer clothes to college would make women just go up and start talking to him, for example. He refused to consider any other option than what his own misinformed mind told him. Truly he was a mental case in every sense of the word. He may not have been truly an incel but his crimes were still a turning point, as they sparked media interest in the incel phenomenon and brought the issue to the mainstream.

Eliot Rodger was too socially awkward to even get a below average or average looking woman, let alone an above average to elite level sorority female at a top party university.

Lifetime, he only did 1 approach, which resulted in a less than 10 second conversation.

He expected that his designer clothes and BMW 328 would be enough to attract women to him to start conversations. It's possible for a man with designer clothes and a BMW 328 to get some IOIs, but then the man must have enough social skills to close the deal. Eliot Rodger didn't have those social skills.

Also, height and big muscles (like @sangheilios ) is a better way to attract women and puts a man closer to getting the seduction. Height/muscles will always rank above money/status symbols in attracting.

Because they're preoccupied with it.

They are preoccupied with it because it is a basic human need going unfulfilled. See Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, post #86 in this thread.

 

[Styr]

It applies to greek life as well. You can still be a frustrated chump in a fraternity if you are labeled a cel.

Frustrated chumps, incels, or progressives would not last very long in most respectable fraternities.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Frustrated chumps, incels, or progressives would not last very long in most respectable fraternities.

based off this answer alone, I can tell you were in a small one lol. There’s pros and cons to every size.

I don’t know much about black Greek life, so if u were in one of those I get a freebie hehe

 

[SW15]

It applies to greek life as well. You can still be a frustrated chump in a fraternity if you are labeled a cel.

Frustrated chumps, incels, or progressives would not last very long in most respectable fraternities.

based off this answer alone, I can tell you were in a small one lol. There’s pros and cons to every size.

It's possible to be in a fraternity and not be scoring much. It depends on the fraternity.

Most college men aren't scoring all that much. Most college men need to get into a relationship to get some pussie.

Observations about college sex life from someone that went to a party school.

I thought I'd share this as someone who went to a party school and was in a fraternity there as well. Not wanting to give too much about myself but I went to UGA and graduated a few years ago. While Athens has its hot girls, I do feel like the quality got worse every year due to the admission...

www.sosuave.net

 

[Styr]

based off this answer alone, I can tell you were in a small one lol. There’s pros and cons to every size.

I still am.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I still am.

In Estonia at 39?

 

[zekko]

They are preoccupied with it because it is a basic human need going unfulfilled. See Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, post #86 in this thread.

No argument here. I remember many years ago on this forum, people were saying sex wasn't a need, you know, you're weak if you need a woman. I responded by talking about Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. But they basically said Maslow's is just a theory, and that sex wasn't a need need. They pointed out priests and monks who chose to abstain. I mean, you're not going to keel over dead like if you can't get any air (hence the hierarchy), but I'm not going to discount it as a need.

 

[CornbreadFed]

No argument here. I remember many years ago on this forum, people were saying sex wasn't a need, you know, you're weak if you need a woman. I responded by talking about Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. But they basically said Maslow's is just a theory, and that sex wasn't a need need. They pointed out priests and monks who chose to abstain. I mean, you're not going to keel over dead like if you can't get any air (hence the hierarchy), but I'm not going to discount it as a need.

There's a reason priests and monks are never shown women or around women. One of the happiest times of my life was in late middle school/High School where I would come home and play video games like MW2, Halo 3, and etc. I was not getting laid at the time and kissing a girl was a mere fantasy I saw on pornhub. When I got to college and all of that stuff was just out there, I became miserable.

 

[corrector]

There's a reason priests and monks are never shown women or around women. One of the happiest times of my life was in late middle school/High School where I would come home and play video games like MW2, Halo 3, and etc. I was not getting laid at the time and kissing a girl was a mere fantasy I saw on pornhub. When I got to college and all of that stuff was just out there, I became miserable.

Really? Getting laid makes you miserable?

 

[corrector]

No argument here. I remember many years ago on this forum, people were saying sex wasn't a need, you know, you're weak if you need a woman. I responded by talking about Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. But they basically said Maslow's is just a theory, and that sex wasn't a need need. They pointed out priests and monks who chose to abstain. I mean, you're not going to keel over dead like if you can't get any air (hence the hierarchy), but I'm not going to discount it as a need.

He talks in two sides of his mouth. For example, when @SW15 characterises simps and low and mid tier guys pvssy beggars in the context of today's hypergamic dating market on steroids then how cant you say pvssy beggars or pvssy whipped guys are weak? They will backstab their best friend or go with a married woman just to meet a "need". How about if someone met their "need" on your gf would you say they had needs so its okay?