Someone explain to me why Incels are so heavily involved in discussions about game/dating/sex.

[SW15]

I've heard that a lot of frat guys only hook up with like two or three girls a year. I wasn't in a frat in college and this number corresponds with my experiences as well. On average I'd get one hookup per semester

It depends on how many times you fuccked that hookup. Sex frequency is not the same as quantity of notches.

 

[corrector]

What is passively pursuing? Like hoping a woman falls into lap? Maybe that, yeah lol.

More then just that. Putting up an online dating profile. Do they have an online dating profile active? Looking or steering at women they are interested in in a way there should be a non-verbal response by them either in an IOI, or IOD (which, these non-verbal rejections are usually more likely).

I'm saying they aren't aggressive enough - they largely go to work and go home. Don't really put themselves in situations where they can meet women - whenever i've heard them talk about women they like it has largely been work crushes.

Can you blame them? They are living life in hard mode and get ammoged by other White guys, such as yourself, and feel bad about it.
It's like death by a thousand cuts. Yeah, anyone would give up in their position and you probably would too.

I don't know how they would respond if a woman we worked with was interested in them. Maybe they would've made an attempt, who knows. They would tell me about women they like and they would say hi to them in the hallways or talk them sometimes as part of projects. We had holiday parties and occasional outings where members of the team would get together - these were perfect times to mingle but they would often avoid the women they liked.

It sounds like the women they liked were not interested. You just told me that they said hi to them in the hallways and talked with them. What else do you expect them to do? They come on too strong and these same women might avert their gaze away from them the next time they try to say "hi" or things can get extremely awkward if they are talking even if it's work related. If it's the wrong girl, that can escalate to an HR complaint. Can you really blame them for being cautious?

An interested girl would make it easy for them to take it to another level. They are friendly with him, but they are not interested in them that way and any move will just make things worst for them.

I gave one in post about bar. Many times when the subject women of women come, like point out a hot girl, say "no chance" or "she would never like me". It's always negative, never positive or hopeful and yes they don't go and actually find out. Operating on ASSUMPTION. Like I said before a lot of incel I know have good hearts and mean well, but are own worst enemy and very very difficult to help.

Right, but you are missing the point as to whether their mindset is objectively right. An Indian guy is like a 3/10 SMV and they get mogged like crazy, by other White people, especially chad/chadlites in the environs, can you really blame them for thinking that way?
Would it make it more legitimate to you if they got rejected by hot girls just to please you so they earn a better incel title then they have now?

 

[corrector]

I use a the concept of PP. I call it The Lure. But it absolutely won’t work if someone is incel tier.

You don't need to approach a woman to get rejected by them. I mean it works in reverse too. If a woman is averting her gaze, giving all sorts of negative body language, that comes like a rejection if you approached her. Holding incels down to saying they are not actively approaching when they are getting Indicators of Disinterest like crazy is totally unfair.

 

[corrector]

Poor guy was mogged to the moon & back by the rest of us. A White chadlite, myself & a White fatcel (who had a decent face & hair) and could easily score if he lost weight.

Great ammo! You are helping with this discussion. I think its going somewhere because of your contributions. People should on here should give a pass to ethnicels and understand their plight.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Great ammo! You are helping with this discussion. I think its going somewhere because of your contributions. People should on here should give a pass to ethnicels and understand their plight.

JBW is absolutly a real thing.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I've heard that a lot of frat guys only hook up with like two or three girls a year. I wasn't in a frat in college and this number corresponds with my experiences as well. On average I'd get one hookup per semester

You are going to have a large chunk that are in relationships. The guys that slay in fraternities could easily slay outside a Greek setting. It’s not like joining a fraternity turns an incel in to an instant pvssy magnet.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

You don't need to approach a woman to get rejected by them. I mean it works in reverse too. If a woman is averting her gaze, giving all sorts of negative body language, that comes like a rejection if you approached her. Holding incels down to saying they are not actively approaching when they are getting Indicators of Disinterest like crazy is totally unfair.

Actually, you do have to make contact in order to be rejected. If you think the girl in case isn't receptive or she might not be attracted to you, you don't get rejected, you abort your approach. Aborting your approach is rejecting yourself before someone else can reject you, because it is less painful, but in essence it is malafide pre-selection - aimed to fail you before you begin.

Incels like Rodger were even set up with girls (read the manifesto) because his parents worried about his social skills. It's clear that Rodger never approached women (assuming he would be rejected anyway, so) unless he was under the influence. And then he made such a nuisance out of entitled 'Supreme Gentleman' himself, picking fights and at one point trying to throw a girl over a low wall and getting tossed over the wall himself by a couple of 'white knights'. He was so under the influence that he went back to fight them and rang the wrong doorbell, but those guys (who hadn't been involved at all and didn't know who he was) got pissed off enough to kick his drunk ass.

 

[corrector]

Actually, you do have to make contact in order to be rejected. If you think the girl in case isn't receptive or she might not be attracted to you, you don't get rejected, you abort your approach. Aborting your approach is rejecting yourself before someone else can reject you, because it is less painful, but in essence it is malafide pre-selection - aimed to fail you before you begin.

Incels like Rodger were even set up with girls (read the manifesto) because his parents worried about his social skills. It's clear that Rodger never approached women (assuming he would be rejected anyway, so) unless he was under the influence. And then he made such a nuisance out of entitled 'Supreme Gentleman' himself, picking fights and at one point trying to throw a girl over a low wall and getting tossed over the wall himself by a couple of 'white knights'. He was so under the influence that he went back to fight them and rang the wrong doorbell, but those guys (who hadn't been involved at all and didn't know who he was) got pissed off enough to kick his drunk ass.

There is non verbal contact. If you stare at a woman and she steers back its like you made a type of contact. If you take out your smartphone and photo her a$$ when she is bending over, that too is more aggressive non verbal contact.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

There is non verbal contact. If you stare at a woman and she steers back its like you made a type of contact. If you take out your smartphone and photo her a$$ when she is bending over, that too is more aggressive non verbal contact.

Yes, if you behave like a horny buffoon you will actively chase women away. What's your point?

You seem to struggle with the definition of rejection. In order to reject, something has to be offered first. You offer a manuscript for publication, they sent you a letter that they are not interested in publishing your manuscript, that is a rejection. And that is a good thing, because now you can find another publisher for your book.

Being ignored is not rejection, but pre-selection.

Something you do yourself -- you select women you approach. If you see an unattractive woman and you don't approach her because you're not attracted to her that is pre-selection not rejection. If she comes up to you and tries to spark up a conversation and you politely listen and excuse yourself and walk away, you ended an interaction. Not what she wanted perhaps, but she didn't hit on you, so it's not a rejection. If she asks you for a date and you tell her you can't/won't date her, that's a rejection.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

These be facts:

Guy: 4/10
If he hits on 4/10 chicks and below - his looks match, he will have success.
The problem is he says he's not attracted to 4/10's.
He's fat, unemployed, poorly groomed, and has NO SOCIAL SKILLS WHATSOEVER.
Has never read any books of consequence.
He has not traveled and has nothing a woman would want.
Still, he has the temerity to complain about his station in life.

This is delusion by the 4/10 man; he believes he deserves better but is unwilling to do anything to get better. And the cycle continues.

Facking wah, little biatch, buck up, face reality, or shut up.
YOU DON'T RATE HOTTER WOMEN, PERIOD.
AND YOU DON'T GET TO COMPLAIN UNTIL YOU IMPROVE YOURSELF AS MUCH AS IS POSSIBLE.

The world isn't fair. Cry me a god damned river b1tch, welcome to a glimpse of manhood - you do shyte you don't want to to achieve the results you want. Half of these mfers have never experienced real adversity in life. They should've spent some time in Mosul or Fallujah, bet you it isn't over for EXMIL guys.

If you're under 35 you can still enlist and become a man.

Fact: If you have a problem that can be remedied via action, you do not have a problem.

 

[corrector]

Yes, if you behave like a horny buffoon you will actively chase women away. What's your point?

Trying to make eye contact with a lady, who then sees you, and quickly averts her gaze is actively chasing women away? If a woman wants you, she will make it clear that she wants you to approach her and send a tonne of IOIs.

For the record, there was only one time I made a digital photo of a woman's a$$ when she bent over. She turned to me and we started chatting. I found out she was married and then deleted the picture. The point is, she did not show any interest in me at all in terms of even talking until I took that photo. That means some contact must have happened without me tapping her shoulder to talk by doing that action.
Again, it's a non-verbal connection.

You seem to struggle with the definition of rejection. In order to reject, something has to be offered first. You offer a manuscript for publication, they sent you a letter that they are not interested in publishing your manuscript, that is a rejection. And that is a good thing, because now you can find another publisher for your book.

Being ignored is not rejection, but pre-selection.

Something you do yourself -- you select women you approach. If you see an unattractive woman and you don't approach her because you're not attracted to her that is pre-selection not rejection. If she comes up to you and tries to spark up a conversation and you politely listen and excuse yourself and walk away, you ended an interaction. Not what she wanted perhaps, but she didn't hit on you, so it's not a rejection. If she asks you for a date and you tell her you can't/won't date her, that's a rejection.

Let me present two scenarios:

Scenario 1: Either I, or lets say, someone else who is in a dry-spell for more than 6 months (voluntary or involuntary), like @BergischerLöwe goes shopping, then the likeihood that we are going to get our goods and pay the cashier and have no further interaction is quite high. We see people who are minding their own business and don't want to disturb anyone. We go to work, ditto. People are just doing their own thing, maybe you might get a smile in and connect with someone superficially but that's it. Dating profiles look like a big effort to get some lackluster results. Did any rejection happen? No. Was there anything encouraging in the environ to approach and talk to women? Of course not. Is there justification in saying that you are not motivated? Of course, because you feel like you are enchroaching on another person's space.

Scenario 2: Lets take @Hamurabimbi, now he has the chadlite looks. He goes grocery shopping then he's going to notice women checking him out. Someone might approach him or start a casual converssation or small talk while he's shopping. The cashiers are super-nice and friendly and make a comment that sounds like they could be interested. When he goes to work, again, women are super-nice with him and he gets office-sex play.

The point I'm driving at is that people are rather harsh with incel or nearcel because they are not motivated to approach. If they had the same level of pre-selection or attention as chadlites, then I'm sure, someone of the likes of @BergischerLöwe won't be making threads that he has no motivation to approach anyone and people giving him allot of advice as to what to do to meet women. He'd have a girlfriend yesterday because he would be making approaches because he knows he's preselected.

It's like what is the emphasis on actually getting rejected. Is it like some legal process, you want to make sure you get that "no" so you can file it somewhere that you did something and now you can claim a million dollars or something?

Anyway, I digress, @characternote has a good attitude, and he feels that some women (that likely wont' be conventionally attractive, or even have issues) might like you and think you are hot if you approach enough people. MTGOWs, however, would probably pay a hooker than bother with all that, or if its against religion, do nothing and write threads about not feeling motivated like @BergischerLöwe. What can I say? I feel people make threads and bump threads because there is some disconnect / misunderstanding and we are not getting at the truth. Is really a sad thing and there should be more empathy as to why someone might not feel motivated to cold-approach.

 

[CornbreadFed]

These be facts:

Guy: 4/10
If he hits on 4/10 chicks and below - his looks match, he will have success.
The problem is he says he's not attracted to 4/10's.
He's fat, unemployed, poorly groomed, and has NO SOCIAL SKILLS WHATSOEVER.
Has never read any books of consequence.
He has not traveled and has nothing a woman would want.
Still, he has the temerity to complain about his station in life.

This is delusion by the 4/10 man; he believes he deserves better but is unwilling to do anything to get better. And the cycle continues.

Facking wah, little biatch, buck up, face reality, or shut up. YOU DON'T RATE HOTTER WOMEN, PERIOD. AND YOU DON'T GET TO COMPLAIN UNTIL YOU IMPROVE YOURSELF AS MUCH AS IS POSSIBLE.

The world isn't fair. Cry me a god damned river b1tch, welcome to a glimpse of manhood - you do shyte you don't want to to achieve the results you want. Half of these mfers have never experienced real adversity in life. They should've spent some time in Mosul or Fallujah, bet you it isn't over for EXMIL guys.

If you're under 35 you can still enlist and become a man.

I disagree, you are implying that the only way to struggle with women is be ugly and have high standards.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I disagree, you are implying that the only way to struggle with women is be ugly and have high standards.

Not sure how you came to that conclusion; care to explain your logic thread, based on what I wrote? What part of it is incorrect, please quote me and show me where even one of my statements is incorrect.

 

[corrector]

I disagree, you are implying that the only way to struggle with women is be ugly and have high standards.

Exactly, even his example is flawed. For example, the 4/10 can get Chad (who she might do something extremely kinky) or a Normie (on a dry-spell who wants an ice-breaker) and has just as much delusional standards.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

No "normie" will bang a 4/10, and certainly no Chad either.

Further proof that the incel trope is "Wah, I'm not as good-looking as the other guy". Do you think Larry Ellison is good-looking? No, he's a Vulcan-looking mofo, but he regularly bangs and impregnates 20-something 9/10's and he's in his 70s - why? Because he made something of himself.

You guys argue like girls. Go wallow in your own pools of excrement. You deserve no quarter. Pathetic, genetic dead ends one can only hope, you argue in the face of suggestions from men trying to help you.

Exactly, even his example is flawed. For example, the 4/10 can get Chad or a Normie (on a dry-spell who wants an ice-breaker) and has just as much delusional standards.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

These be facts:

Guy: 4/10
If he hits on 4/10 chicks and below - his looks match, he will have success.
The problem is he says he's not attracted to 4/10's.
He's fat, unemployed, poorly groomed, and has NO SOCIAL SKILLS WHATSOEVER.
Has never read any books of consequence.
He has not traveled and has nothing a woman would want.
Still, he has the temerity to complain about his station in life.

This is delusion by the 4/10 man; he believes he deserves better but is unwilling to do anything to get better. And the cycle continues.

Facking wah, little biatch, buck up, face reality, or shut up.
YOU DON'T RATE HOTTER WOMEN, PERIOD.
AND YOU DON'T GET TO COMPLAIN UNTIL YOU IMPROVE YOURSELF AS MUCH AS IS POSSIBLE.

The world isn't fair. Cry me a god damned river b1tch, welcome to a glimpse of manhood - you do shyte you don't want to to achieve the results you want. Half of these mfers have never experienced real adversity in life. They should've spent some time in Mosul or Fallujah, bet you it isn't over for EXMIL guys.

If you're under 35 you can still enlist and become a man.

Fact: If you have a problem that can be remedied via action, you do not have a problem.

Lolz good post up until the MIL part. One can say a man faces hard truths, one of which is that the US Military is largely full of sh1t and under the influence of bad actors. A man fights against this, not for it.

But yeah you've got to work at it or see escorts if you want to bang hot women.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Not sure how you came to that conclusion; care to explain your logic thread, based on what I wrote? What part of it is incorrect, please quote me and show me where even one of my statements is incorrect.

your first clarification is a 4/10 male and that if he just stays within his league he will be successful which is strawmannirg the Incel.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Lolz good post up until the MIL part. One can say a man faces hard truths, one of which is that the US Military is largely full of sh1t and under the control of bad actors. A man fights against this, not for it.

The military is a crucible for men's souls. Your argument is geopolitical, and not relevant to the point of creating men from whiny little b1tches, which it does.

 

[CornbreadFed]

No "normie" will bang a 4/10, and certainly no Chad either

Lol, have you never heard of the term moped or slow Tuesday girl?

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

your first clarification is a 4/10 male and that if he just stays within his league he will be successful which is strawmannirg the Incel.

Anyone knows that dating is assortative. Ever wonder how people can still be so unattractive if 4/10 women are mating with genetically gifted males? Thats because they are not. They are mating with their looks match.