Someone explain to me why Incels are so heavily involved in discussions about game/dating/sex.

[BillyPilgrim]

creating men from whiny little b1tches, which it does.

Much less costly ways of doing this.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Much less costly ways of doing this.

I'm sure there are, but pretty much any man can walk into a recruiting station with nothing but his body, and ETS in a few years with a serious bank account, a college fund, veterans benefit for life, a 100% 0-down mortgage guaranteed by the US Gubmint, employers that will almost definitely hire them, leadership skills and most importantly A BACKBONE, FORGED THROUGH ADVERSITY.

Fortune favors the bold. The meek shall inherit NOTHING.

p.s. could you list some alternative ways of achieving the abovementioned things in 4 years?

 

[CornbreadFed]

Anyone knows that dating is assortative. Ever wonder how people can still be so unattractive if 4/10 women are mating with genetically gifted males? Thats because they are not. They are mating with their looks match.

They are sacrificing commitment thru being in a no strings attached relationship/one night stand or they appeal to a niche that the guy values moreso than just pure aesthetics like money or Asian fetish.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

There is non verbal contact. If you stare at a woman and she steers back its like you made a type of contact. If you take out your smartphone and photo her a$$ when she is bending over, that too is more aggressive non verbal contact.

Trying to make eye contact with a lady, who then sees you, and quickly averts her gaze is actively chasing women away? If a woman wants you, she will make it clear that she wants you to approach her and send a tonne of IOIs.

Staring and making eye contact are two different things, but I'm leaving this discussion. Have fun in the echo chamber.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I'm sure there are, but pretty much any man can walk into a recruiting station with nothing but his body, and ETS in a few years with a serious bank account, a college fund, veterans benefit for life, a 100% 0-down mortgage guaranteed by the US Gubmint, employers that will almost definitely hire them, leadership skills and most importantly A BACKBONE, FORGED THROUGH ADVERSITY.

It only benefits guys with literally nothing to lose and clean history. I got turned down from OCS because I have flat feet despite exceeding in physical metrics. The military is extremely picky now.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I have no idea what you're trying to say here, and you did not quote anything I said in your rebuttal.

They are sacrificing commitment thru being in a no strings attached relationship/one night stand or they appeal to a niche that the guy values moreso than just pure aesthetics like money or Asian fetish.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

It only benefits guys with literally nothing to lose and clean history. I got turned down from OCS because I have flat feet despite exceeding in physical metrics. The military is extremely picky now.

Trust me if they're taking trans people the bar has been lowered.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Trust me if they're taking trans people the bar has been lowered.

Join the Army, they will make a Man out of You!

 

[CornbreadFed]

Trust me if they're taking trans people the bar has been lowered.

I think like below 30-25% of eligible Americans actually qualify for the military.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here, and you did not quote anything I said in your rebuttal.

I am trying to explain to you on how a 4/10 female gets attention from higher value males

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I am trying to explain to you on how a 4/10 female gets attention from higher value males

Horndogs rutting like hogs with ugly women may be doing them a service, but I wouldn't call them 'higher value males'.

High value men have standards.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Horndogs rutting like hogs with ugly women may be doing them a service, but I wouldn't call them 'higher value males'.

High value men have standards.

I have my definition of a high value male but some guys on this forum don’t, so that’s another rabbit hole

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I have my definition of a high value male but some guys on this forum don’t, so that’s another rabbit hole

Their view is mostly what women might consider a High Value Man.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Their view is mostly what women might consider a High Value Man.

women can range from Ratchet bimbos to careerist feminists. I doubt they like the “same” guy.

 

[Gamisch]

Both my friends happen to Indian lolol i'm not implying anything, they just happen to both be. They are both practically the same person, they even sort of look alike style wise, they have that same mustache and part in the middle of the hair. I introduced them to each other at a bar around here. At a certain point I said hey guys look at the sh*tter on that critter over there, and one of them goes "she looks good mike but she wouldn't want me" I was dead - set the tone I was practically in the tears for the rest of the night (from laughter). They would all say the same thing too, like it was from the same playbook - my favorite was "that only works if someone like you tried it". I said guys you both have a combined IQ of like 1000 but can't figure out the simple algorithm of how to talk to a woman, even teenagers do that. I'm laughing my ass off just thinking about it, those two are a riot. If they weren't in their head so much they would both slay, especially with those girls that like geeky intellectual types.

Incels should just fecking try. Figure out a way to talk to women..that's it. Women WANT us to talk to them.

My incel friend now avoids the conversation when its about him. I yet push more and more to get him to start the journey of self improvement at least. He says he's fine without women and I get that. But his distance from the market becomes too big.

One common thing I've noticed is that incels truly believe they aint good enough. Women do poop out their thoughts without a filter tho. Any man will get roasted by a woman sooner or later. The trick is to create enough selfworth so YOU can decide your value and letting her comments slide off your back.

 

[corrector]

Incels should just fecking try. Figure out a way to talk to women..that's it. Women WANT us to talk to them.

My incel friend now avoids the conversation when its about him. I yet push more and more to get him to start the journey of self improvement at least. He says he's fine without women and I get that. But his distance from the market becomes too big.

One common thing I've noticed is that incels truly believe they aint good enough. Women do poop out their thoughts without a filter tho. Any man will get roasted by a woman sooner or later. The trick is to create enough selfworth so YOU can decide your value and letting her comments slide off your back.

What journey of self-improvement are you recommending for him? If he says that he's fine without women, is he really incel, MGTOW-monk-mode, or asexual? If you are incel then you can never take the position that you are fine without women, whereas an MGTOW-monk-mode (assuming he's not an incel-in-denial) can.

Have you considered the possbility your friend is MGTOW-monk rather than incel?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Trying to make eye contact with a lady, who then sees you, and quickly averts her gaze is actively chasing women away? If a woman wants you, she will make it clear that she wants you to approach her and send a tonne of IOIs.

For the record, there was only one time I made a digital photo of a woman's a$$ when she bent over. She turned to me and we started chatting. I found out she was married and then deleted the picture. The point is, she did not show any interest in me at all in terms of even talking until I took that photo. That means some contact must have happened without me tapping her shoulder to talk by doing that action.
Again, it's a non-verbal connection.




Let me present two scenarios:

Scenario 1: Either I, or lets say, someone else who is in a dry-spell for more than 6 months (voluntary or involuntary), like @BergischerLöwe goes shopping, then the likeihood that we are going to get our goods and pay the cashier and have no further interaction is quite high. We see people who are minding their own business and don't want to disturb anyone. We go to work, ditto. People are just doing their own thing, maybe you might get a smile in and connect with someone superficially but that's it. Dating profiles look like a big effort to get some lackluster results. Did any rejection happen? No. Was there anything encouraging in the environ to approach and talk to women? Of course not. Is there justification in saying that you are not motivated? Of course, because you feel like you are enchroaching on another person's space.

Scenario 2: Lets take @Hamurabimbi, now he has the chadlite looks. He goes grocery shopping then he's going to notice women checking him out. Someone might approach him or start a casual converssation or small talk while he's shopping. The cashiers are super-nice and friendly and make a comment that sounds like they could be interested. When he goes to work, again, women are super-nice with him and he gets office-sex play.

It's not like I walk in the office and panties come flying off. Interesting things happen on occasion. But, it's not like clockwork.

 

[Gamisch]

What journey of self-improvement are you recommending for him? If he says that he's fine without women, is he really incel, MGTOW-monk-mode, or asexual? If you are incel then you can never take the position that you are fine without women, whereas an MGTOW-monk-mode (assuming he's not an incel-in-denial) can.

Have you considered the possbility your friend is MGTOW-monk rather than incel?

I think that term and the actual term incel have a very, very thin line between them.

One could even say it soon becomes cope. Look, in this world you cant hide from reality. If you refuse to put in the work yiu reinforce negative feelings about yourself day in day out. At some point you gotta man up.

The journey of self improvement consists of: physical, spiritual, financial, and mentally leveling up. One will reinforce the other untill you're cruising on auto pilot, like the man who keeps winning marathons runs. Seemingly an impossible task for bystanders, just a lifestyle to "the star".

You gotta have a clear and vivid picture of who you are when you reach full potential. If you for example look like dude in your profile picture, you can use him as inspiration. Just an example.

You also need to embrace yourself completely. In a world where its all about you there's no insecurities. Because you are one of a kind. There is no competition, besides the demons within you. Conquer (and contain) them and you might become "that dude".

 

[corrector]

It's not like I walk in the office and panties come flying off. Interesting things happen on occasion. But, it's not like clockwork.

Yeah.

Don't worry, I get it.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Yeah.

Don't worry, I get it.

May I return that serve?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I think like below 30-25% of eligible Americans actually qualify for the military.




I am trying to explain to you on how a 4/10 female gets attention from higher value males

Being very aggressive and very sexual right out of the gate.