What the blackpill gets wrong. Hypergamy isnt as bad as we think.

[BillyPilgrim]

but why would a guy have the right to get laid ?

maybe sex is not for everyone

why ?

the point of mating is for the specie to get better , not for simps to get laid and make the specie to devolve

if you do not get laid it is mainly because of you

Lol, using a prostitute does not involve procreation.

It's a shame so many guys use getting laid as an excuse to put down other men.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

I made it through the first page, but I'm not reading 5 more pages of this phucking garbage.

Prostitution >>>>> thirst control. Sex, at least occasionally, is a biological need for optimal mental health and is listed on Maslow's Hierarchy chart twice.

Prostitution also >>>>> dumpster diving

Just because the women are bad in a country where it's legal doesn't mean those women wouldn't be *worse* without its legality.

It's the world's oldest profession for a reason.

 

[BeExcellent]

I'm not. I'm not a faux "alpha" who's larping on this site. I'm on here as a beginner to game, learning to be a don juan, which means I'm not nuanced enough to know when a woman is pretending to be interested just for the attention and entertainment of doing something. Plenty of men have stated women do this regularly. Also, my lack of game nuance/charm could turn them OFF, and as stated, I don't have the finances to take 20 women on dates with nothing to show for it except sunken costs.

Yet I have the need for sex and sexual bonding, and I'm not willing to resort to rape. So, why wouldn't I leverage the situation to my benefit financially when I am not charming enough to be a sexual prospect to the woman, but nuanced enough to see that she's not interested. Like you said, women don't need men to pay for them. So why would I be obligated to? When I see it's not going anywhere I'll pay for my drink, and cut the date short. Otherwise I may take loss after loss and it adds up taking me out of the dating game, defeating the purpose. Because you're a woman, you don't experience men's reality of "ONE DATE, NO SECOND DATE, NO SEX" time and time again. I'm willing to bet every time you've wanted sex to happen on a date, it happened.

I'm trying to ascertain whether you are ABLE to leverage the situation. That ability, and whether or not you have it require a great deal more detail. I DM'd you with specifics.

True that I could go out an get laid every day if that was something I wanted to do, but it isn't. It's not as though I've never been rejected. That idea is ridiculous. Being sought after means you have choices, lots of choices but you may not have interest in the choices that have interest in you and people I might be interested in are not always interested in me. I don't worry about men who aren't interested in me, rather I choose strictly from the ones that do express interest, and I am fortunate to have the luxury of lots to choose from, but not ALL men are into me. That has always been the deal, and I don't worry about it. I am socially adroit. I read social situations very VERY well. I have been rejected by men that I liked or had a crush on plenty but I do not blunder or embarrass myself because I have already picked up through social cues whether or not a man has interest in me, without speaking a word. That is covert sub-communication, and we all do it, but not everyone reads it well or picks up those cues.

 

[RickTheToad]

If you want advice about dating females, last type of person you should ask is a female... Just sayin...

 

[thelambofdeth]

If you want advice about dating females, last type of person you should ask is a female... Just sayin...

This. Like this isn't even rule #1, it's rule 0 lols

 

[kavi]

Are most guys getting sex without somehow paying for it? I dont think so.

As men I think we really need to understand that us valueing (overvaluing) sex is a big problem that women are using as a form of manipulation and power play.

In Nature, few animals do it as often as humans do. A female would do it a few times a year enough to get pregnant but no more.

As men we have become fixated and dependant on sex and we need to relook at this.

-It is not the best guys getting laid. It is nothing to brag about.
-Mostly for a guy to have high notch count he is gonna have to do lots of Beta, questionable things ie lie, pursue really hard, pay, put up with crap, simp, mass approach etc etc
-Women are not being responsible for who they have sex with, for them it is something that they expect men to 'try and get' or want. Men are too weak to question women on this and hold them to account. In Nature a woman can only **** the best guy cos she is doing it to get pregnant, in humans we have contraception so women are not being as selective. It really is a mess out there.

This isnt 1990, **** has moved on.

Now this is the most important point. Sex is something for men to aspire to, to be chosen, as the best guy, the worthy one. So it should be a bonus when it happens, not something to be taken for granted, unless one is an Alpha Male (10% of guys, lets say). So why do so many men need sex and validation from women? Its because we live in a cold and broken social and economic system. I really believe the coldness and harshness with which modern society treats young men causes them to need sex and validation from women. When I hear men saying they need sex and women I believe this is a result of being stressed from society.

What is needed is a complete over-haul of our socio-economic system away from traditional patriarchal values moving closer to a communal system.

 

[kavi]

Too many people here think marriage is the problem as an institution. No. Marriage is only ever as good as the two people who got married. You have two sh1tty people in a marriage? It's going to be a bad marriage. You have 1 awful person in the marriage? It's going to be a sub-par marriage.

Digest that logic. I agree you do you and live your own life as you please. But your beliefs are keeping you in a state of disappointment and disbelief.

I have to disagree. I believe marriage is a terrible thing and would seriously ask any man of value to reconsider. A communal system (though they dont really exist currently) would be far superior imo.

Marriage is simply something invented to keep beta males happy and working, to strip power away from real alpha men, to give that power to leaders and hence the patriarchy. Marriage cannot and will not survive in the modern world, with all its freedoms and especially gender-mixing.

Marriage was likely invented in ancient Iran, it is associated with Jamshed (Yama) who is a mythical figure cognate with Ymir, Remus and his name is associated variously with Death, Hell and twins. In ancient Iranian myth Jamshed created a Vara (an enclosure) where he put people in twos. This most likely refers to early farming settlements in West Asia (most people were nomads then so the enclosure denotes both protection and also control) and Neolithic state formation. Later on this myth was borrowed by others and became the Ark and flood myth, but in most other parrallels its the Iranian which is closest to the original.

The oldest (or most archaic) literature we have is the Rigveda which was composed around the Pakistan, NW India and Afg region. In earlier parts of this text there is this reference to "wives".

"What time our wives draw near to us, may he, left-handed Tvastar, give us hero sons"

Note the interesting words being used, OUR wives, meaning, wives and sons as a collective of the tribe, not individual man and wife, and secondly DRAW NEAR TO US, the concept of women initiating sex when they are ready to procreate (as is the case in nature), rather than a typical traditional marriage where the woman is expected to provide sex to the man for his own personal sacrifice and work, which is where the concept of paying for sex, as a transaction, exchange, or duty probably comes from.

If any guy wishes to advance in Game he has to move beyond the marriage system and monogamy. Game, in its purest form, simply leads to a guy becoming the leader of a communal system, as is the case in Nature, and Game is of the most natural things, which we discover, not invent.

Our generation now (its ok for you, as you are bit older) is in a difficult and transitionary period. The faster the transition can occur the better. I dont wanna be in a lost generation because I am sure a golden period of happiness and freedom is just a few generations away.

 

[lost_blackbird]

maybe sex is not for everyone

I can certainly agree with this.

 

[member160292]

@kavi
Why so much thought over something so simple as mating?

 

[Focal core]

And unless you're at least an 8, there's no point in using dating apps, to be honest. Most men are fecked either way. It's no coincidence simps and betas are so prevalent nowadays. It's a direct result of women, collectively being more shallow, "empowered", particular, haughty, and selective than they've ever been. The irony is even though they're far more outwardly slooty and promiscuous than ever, their standards have only gone up, and their dating pools have condensed. They're fecking more than ever, but only a smaller, more select # of guys. This development has essentially destroyed the entire dating/intimacy dynamic between men and women.

When the value of society falls, the falls of its civilization will next to come. Its inevitable and history will repeat itself. Let it all burn. And this time the whole world. Economics falls recession etc etc will surrely be worst.. Its time to protect ourself gents at all cost. Forget the dead weight in your life. Enjoy the decline.

 

[corrector]

@kavi
Why so much thought over something so simple as mating?

You actually read all of that?

 

[SW15]

If you’re in a situation where footing the bill for a few drinks is an issue, to the point where it makes dating stressful, then I’d be refocusing myself on my career.

There are men who have money but prefer not to waste it on failed mating interactions.

If you invite a woman out on a first date, then you pay. That’s logical and fair. That’s also why you ensure the first date is cheap.

I do all of this. Historically, I have been displeased when the interaction doesn't lead to sex and I've wasted money on the interaction. I dislike wasting money.

If you want advice about dating females, last type of person you should ask is a female... Just sayin...

If you want to know how to catch fish, ask an experienced fisherman with a good track record of catching fish. A fish cannot tell you how the fisherman caught it.

Too many people here think marriage is the problem as an institution. No. Marriage is only ever as good as the two people who got married. You have two sh1tty people in a marriage? It's going to be a bad marriage. You have 1 awful person in the marriage? It's going to be a sub-par marriage.

Some here do not believe in marriage, but that is in some ways a cop out. You don't believe in long term as being viable (you do not think it exists at all) and I'd extend that to say you do not trust yourself to pick a partner who can go the distance in life. It gets back to belief system. You don't believe it so FOR YOU it CANNOT exist. See how that belief robs you?

Digest that logic. I agree you do you and live your own life as you please. But your beliefs are keeping you in a state of disappointment and disbelief.

Due to the failure rate of marriage and the anti-male Western court system, it can be logically argued that marriage is a failing institution in the West. Do I think I can do better than the typical person in marriage? Maybe, maybe not. The typical marrying person eventually divorces. Do I want to tempt fate and dealing with family lawyers and the court system? Not at all. @BeExcellent - You have a failed marriage to your name. You're another statistic of failed marriages.

My believe in that the shelf life of goodness is about 5 years. The actual duration of the relationship doesn't actually matter, it's the number of good years that matters. A lot of non-marital relationships that end up failing if they last longer than 5 years had fewer than 5 good years. An 8 year marriage that lasted 12 years in totality likely had fewer than 5 good years.

I have had a solid lifetime notch count. That's good. I am a conqueror. I seek success. My greatest disappointments have been the rejected approaches and the "one date, no sex, no second date" interactions when I wanted a second date. I don't like not achieving what I set out to achieve, which is a sexual relationship. A 2-3 year long relationship ending isn't as bothersome because I was getting laid regularly during that time,

 

[Fruitbat]

I never even tried tinder. I had loads of success on match.

 

[firstbornunicorn]

I have to disagree. I believe marriage is a terrible thing and would seriously ask any man of value to reconsider. A communal system (though they dont really exist currently) would be far superior imo.

Marriage is simply something invented to keep beta males happy and working, to strip power away from real alpha men, to give that power to leaders and hence the patriarchy. Marriage cannot and will not survive in the modern world, with all its freedoms and especially gender-mixing.

Marriage was likely invented in ancient Iran, it is associated with Jamshed (Yama) who is a mythical figure cognate with Ymir, Remus and his name is associated variously with Death, Hell and twins. In ancient Iranian myth Jamshed created a Vara (an enclosure) where he put people in twos. This most likely refers to early farming settlements in West Asia (most people were nomads then so the enclosure denotes both protection and also control) and Neolithic state formation. Later on this myth was borrowed by others and became the Ark and flood myth, but in most other parrallels its the Iranian which is closest to the original.

The oldest (or most archaic) literature we have is the Rigveda which was composed around the Pakistan, NW India and Afg region. In earlier parts of this text there is this reference to "wives".

"What time our wives draw near to us, may he, left-handed Tvastar, give us hero sons"

Note the interesting words being used, OUR wives, meaning, wives and sons as a collective of the tribe, not individual man and wife, and secondly DRAW NEAR TO US, the concept of women initiating sex when they are ready to procreate (as is the case in nature), rather than a typical traditional marriage where the woman is expected to provide sex to the man for his own personal sacrifice and work, which is where the concept of paying for sex, as a transaction, exchange, or duty probably comes from.

If any guy wishes to advance in Game he has to move beyond the marriage system and monogamy. Game, in its purest form, simply leads to a guy becoming the leader of a communal system, as is the case in Nature, and Game is of the most natural things, which we discover, not invent.

Our generation now (its ok for you, as you are bit older) is in a difficult and transitionary period. The faster the transition can occur the better. I dont wanna be in a lost generation because I am sure a golden period of happiness and freedom is just a few generations away.

Plenty of such societies living in mud huts. Go join them instead of devolving the west.

 

[lost_blackbird]

Take it from a man who’s had a lot of sex. The more you get, the more you want. It’s exactly like drugs and the male appetite for sex is unlimited.

Is that a fact? It's been over 3 years since I had sex and I couldn't care less.

 

[firstbornunicorn]

Is that a fact? It's been over 3 years since I had sex and I couldn't care less.

Why are you this forum? Do you think you might be gay?

 

[thelambofdeth]

Why are you this forum? Do you think you might be gay?

I haven't gotten laid in almost two years, and I'm definitely not gay. Gay guys don't have issues getting laid...I can only speak for myself, but it's often more complicated than that. Too many dudes here are guilty of mass projection and think bc its easy for them to get laid, its easy for everyone. It absolutely isn't...especially these days.

 

[corrector]

Why are you this forum? Do you think you might be gay?

I have not had sex in 8 years. Gay people have sex and you dont hear of incel gays, etc... Incel effects hetrosexual male guys. You want a woman but cant have one.

 

[SW15]

Is that a fact? It's been over 3 years since I had sex and I couldn't care less.

I haven't gotten laid in almost two years, and I'm definitely not gay. it's often more complicated than that. Too many dudes here are guilty of mass projection and think bc its easy for them to get laid, its easy for everyone. It absolutely isn't...especially these days.

Those are both long droughts. Even since I eliminated porn and masturbation from my life, shorter droughts have made that easier. If you're getting laid, it's less likely porn and masturbation will be relevant. Droughts of 2-3 months are tough for me to handle.

It isn't easy for the typical guy to get laid in 2010-present. Look at the increasing rates of male sexlessness during the past 12 months statistic as evidence of that. That's also the worst cases. Plenty of men have 2-10 month droughts who don't get counted in that statistic. Even married men have lousy sex lives in a lot of cases.

Gay guys don't have issues getting laid

Yes. Testosterone is the main reason. Even a lower T effeminate gay man still has substantially more testosterone than a woman.

 

[corrector]

Those are both long droughts. Even since I eliminated porn and masturbation from my life, shorter droughts have made that easier. If you're getting laid, it's less likely porn and masturbation will be relevant. Droughts of 2-3 months are tough for me to handle.

It isn't easy for the typical guy to get laid in 2010-present. Look at the increasing rates of male sexlessness during the past 12 months statistic as evidence of that. That's also the worst cases. Plenty of men have 2-10 month droughts who don't get counted in that statistic. Even married men have lousy sex lives in a lot of cases.

In other words, eliminating porn and masturbation has not actually helped you get women. Having access to women has just made that commitment more bearable.