What the blackpill gets wrong. Hypergamy isnt as bad as we think.

[Focal core]

And unless you're at least an 8, there's no point in using dating apps, to be honest. Most men are fecked either way. It's no coincidence simps and betas are so prevalent nowadays. It's a direct result of women, collectively being more shallow, "empowered", particular, haughty, and selective than they've ever been. The irony is even though they're far more outwardly slooty and promiscuous than ever, their standards have only gone up, and their dating pools have condensed. They're fecking more than ever, but only a smaller, more select # of guys. This development has essentially destroyed the entire dating/intimacy dynamic between men and women.

When the value of society falls, the falls of its civilization will next to come. Its inevitable and history will repeat itself. Let it all burn. And this time the whole world. Economics falls recession etc etc will surrely be worst.. Its time to protect ourself gents at all cost. Forget the dead weight in your life. Enjoy the decline.

 

[corrector]

@kavi
Why so much thought over something so simple as mating?

You actually read all of that?

 

[SW15]

If you’re in a situation where footing the bill for a few drinks is an issue, to the point where it makes dating stressful, then I’d be refocusing myself on my career.

There are men who have money but prefer not to waste it on failed mating interactions.

If you invite a woman out on a first date, then you pay. That’s logical and fair. That’s also why you ensure the first date is cheap.

I do all of this. Historically, I have been displeased when the interaction doesn't lead to sex and I've wasted money on the interaction. I dislike wasting money.

If you want advice about dating females, last type of person you should ask is a female... Just sayin...

If you want to know how to catch fish, ask an experienced fisherman with a good track record of catching fish. A fish cannot tell you how the fisherman caught it.

Too many people here think marriage is the problem as an institution. No. Marriage is only ever as good as the two people who got married. You have two sh1tty people in a marriage? It's going to be a bad marriage. You have 1 awful person in the marriage? It's going to be a sub-par marriage.

Some here do not believe in marriage, but that is in some ways a cop out. You don't believe in long term as being viable (you do not think it exists at all) and I'd extend that to say you do not trust yourself to pick a partner who can go the distance in life. It gets back to belief system. You don't believe it so FOR YOU it CANNOT exist. See how that belief robs you?

Digest that logic. I agree you do you and live your own life as you please. But your beliefs are keeping you in a state of disappointment and disbelief.

Due to the failure rate of marriage and the anti-male Western court system, it can be logically argued that marriage is a failing institution in the West. Do I think I can do better than the typical person in marriage? Maybe, maybe not. The typical marrying person eventually divorces. Do I want to tempt fate and dealing with family lawyers and the court system? Not at all. @BeExcellent - You have a failed marriage to your name. You're another statistic of failed marriages.

My believe in that the shelf life of goodness is about 5 years. The actual duration of the relationship doesn't actually matter, it's the number of good years that matters. A lot of non-marital relationships that end up failing if they last longer than 5 years had fewer than 5 good years. An 8 year marriage that lasted 12 years in totality likely had fewer than 5 good years.

I have had a solid lifetime notch count. That's good. I am a conqueror. I seek success. My greatest disappointments have been the rejected approaches and the "one date, no sex, no second date" interactions when I wanted a second date. I don't like not achieving what I set out to achieve, which is a sexual relationship. A 2-3 year long relationship ending isn't as bothersome because I was getting laid regularly during that time,

 

[Fruitbat]

I never even tried tinder. I had loads of success on match.

 

[firstbornunicorn]

I have to disagree. I believe marriage is a terrible thing and would seriously ask any man of value to reconsider. A communal system (though they dont really exist currently) would be far superior imo.

Marriage is simply something invented to keep beta males happy and working, to strip power away from real alpha men, to give that power to leaders and hence the patriarchy. Marriage cannot and will not survive in the modern world, with all its freedoms and especially gender-mixing.

Marriage was likely invented in ancient Iran, it is associated with Jamshed (Yama) who is a mythical figure cognate with Ymir, Remus and his name is associated variously with Death, Hell and twins. In ancient Iranian myth Jamshed created a Vara (an enclosure) where he put people in twos. This most likely refers to early farming settlements in West Asia (most people were nomads then so the enclosure denotes both protection and also control) and Neolithic state formation. Later on this myth was borrowed by others and became the Ark and flood myth, but in most other parrallels its the Iranian which is closest to the original.

The oldest (or most archaic) literature we have is the Rigveda which was composed around the Pakistan, NW India and Afg region. In earlier parts of this text there is this reference to "wives".

"What time our wives draw near to us, may he, left-handed Tvastar, give us hero sons"

Note the interesting words being used, OUR wives, meaning, wives and sons as a collective of the tribe, not individual man and wife, and secondly DRAW NEAR TO US, the concept of women initiating sex when they are ready to procreate (as is the case in nature), rather than a typical traditional marriage where the woman is expected to provide sex to the man for his own personal sacrifice and work, which is where the concept of paying for sex, as a transaction, exchange, or duty probably comes from.

If any guy wishes to advance in Game he has to move beyond the marriage system and monogamy. Game, in its purest form, simply leads to a guy becoming the leader of a communal system, as is the case in Nature, and Game is of the most natural things, which we discover, not invent.

Our generation now (its ok for you, as you are bit older) is in a difficult and transitionary period. The faster the transition can occur the better. I dont wanna be in a lost generation because I am sure a golden period of happiness and freedom is just a few generations away.

Plenty of such societies living in mud huts. Go join them instead of devolving the west.

 

[lost_blackbird]

Take it from a man who’s had a lot of sex. The more you get, the more you want. It’s exactly like drugs and the male appetite for sex is unlimited.

Is that a fact? It's been over 3 years since I had sex and I couldn't care less.

 

[firstbornunicorn]

Is that a fact? It's been over 3 years since I had sex and I couldn't care less.

Why are you this forum? Do you think you might be gay?

 

[thelambofdeth]

Why are you this forum? Do you think you might be gay?

I haven't gotten laid in almost two years, and I'm definitely not gay. Gay guys don't have issues getting laid...I can only speak for myself, but it's often more complicated than that. Too many dudes here are guilty of mass projection and think bc its easy for them to get laid, its easy for everyone. It absolutely isn't...especially these days.

 

[corrector]

Why are you this forum? Do you think you might be gay?

I have not had sex in 8 years. Gay people have sex and you dont hear of incel gays, etc... Incel effects hetrosexual male guys. You want a woman but cant have one.

 

[SW15]

Is that a fact? It's been over 3 years since I had sex and I couldn't care less.

I haven't gotten laid in almost two years, and I'm definitely not gay. it's often more complicated than that. Too many dudes here are guilty of mass projection and think bc its easy for them to get laid, its easy for everyone. It absolutely isn't...especially these days.

Those are both long droughts. Even since I eliminated porn and masturbation from my life, shorter droughts have made that easier. If you're getting laid, it's less likely porn and masturbation will be relevant. Droughts of 2-3 months are tough for me to handle.

It isn't easy for the typical guy to get laid in 2010-present. Look at the increasing rates of male sexlessness during the past 12 months statistic as evidence of that. That's also the worst cases. Plenty of men have 2-10 month droughts who don't get counted in that statistic. Even married men have lousy sex lives in a lot of cases.

Gay guys don't have issues getting laid

Yes. Testosterone is the main reason. Even a lower T effeminate gay man still has substantially more testosterone than a woman.

 

[corrector]

Those are both long droughts. Even since I eliminated porn and masturbation from my life, shorter droughts have made that easier. If you're getting laid, it's less likely porn and masturbation will be relevant. Droughts of 2-3 months are tough for me to handle.

It isn't easy for the typical guy to get laid in 2010-present. Look at the increasing rates of male sexlessness during the past 12 months statistic as evidence of that. That's also the worst cases. Plenty of men have 2-10 month droughts who don't get counted in that statistic. Even married men have lousy sex lives in a lot of cases.

In other words, eliminating porn and masturbation has not actually helped you get women. Having access to women has just made that commitment more bearable.

 

[lost_blackbird]

Why are you this forum? Do you think you might be gay?

I'm not a forum, I'm a human being.
No, I do not think I might be gay.
I just don't like women. Like being the key word.

 

[thelambofdeth]

Those are both long droughts. Even since I eliminated porn and masturbation from my life, shorter droughts have made that easier. If you're getting laid, it's less likely porn and masturbation will be relevant. Droughts of 2-3 months are tough for me to handle.

It isn't easy for the typical guy to get laid in 2010-present. Look at the increasing rates of male sexlessness during the past 12 months statistic as evidence of that. That's also the worst cases. Plenty of men have 2-10 month droughts who don't get counted in that statistic. Even married men have lousy sex lives in a lot of cases.

It's a very long drought, and I'm basically wasting the last few years of my youth. In regards to myself at least, porn is a catch-22. Relying on it certainly doesn't help with women, but if I had women, I wouldn't be relying on it in the first place. People think bc women are more openly slooty and promiscuous it makes getting laid easier...no, it only makes getting laid easier if it's already easy for you lols.

 

[SW15]

porn is a catch-22. Relying on it certainly doesn't help with women, but if I had women, I wouldn't be relying on it in the first place. People think bc women are more openly slooty and promiscuous it makes getting laid easier...no, it only makes getting laid easier if it's already easy for you lols.

All accurate. According to the black pill, someone like you should have an easy time getting laid since you are 6'3" and in good shape.

@sangheilios has been another curious case as a 6'4" man with big muscles. He's been treated like shiit by women. That's not supposed to happen according to the black pill. A 6'4" man with big muscles is supposed to get laid regularly, and get laid regularly by elite looking women.

 

[thelambofdeth]

All accurate. According to the black pill, someone like you should have an easy time getting laid since you are 6'3" and in good shape.

@sangheilios has been another curious case as a 6'4" man with big muscles. He's been treated like shiit by women. That's not supposed to happen according to the black pill. A 6'4" man with big muscles is supposed to get laid regularly, and get laid regularly by elite looking women.

I also dress really well, groom, make decent money, have lower, standards, etc...But I'm an alternative black guy who isn't extroverted or assertive so all my positives get counter-acted by not living up to stereotypes/expectations or not having a great face.

Yeah I don't get that at all. If you're 6'4, white and ripped, IDC if you look like a deformed burn victim in the face, average-decent women should be a given, and you should routinely have a shot with the really hot ones. At least that's how it would be a few years back before everything changed with the male/female dynamic where now even whales believe they deserve Zach Effron and nothing less.

 

[Gamisch]

All accurate. According to the black pill, someone like you should have an easy time getting laid since you are 6'3" and in good shape.

@sangheilios has been another curious case as a 6'4" man with big muscles. He's been treated like shiit by women. That's not supposed to happen according to the black pill. A 6'4" man with big muscles is supposed to get laid regularly, and get laid regularly by elite looking women.

But fellows, isn't that the definition of insanity? Somewhere you've been told big muscles height and fashion is needed to get women. So you apply ,but it doesnt work. Why would you keep doing the same thing, keep your focus on these aspects while they clearly ain't working?

Isnt it a man's burden to figure out what does work? In this thread alone I've read multiple possible solutions. Thing is, guys refuse to get out of their comfort zone and than complain they dont get the results the like.


Is almost like being on a motorcycle forum, saying you have a technical problem . Now all kinds of solutions coming your way but you refuse too apply. Even when people tell you they had the Exact same problem and managed to solve it.

Its a man's obligation to try different things, to reinvent himself and try untill something works.

If you refuse and don't get any and you are happy ? Good for you!! But why you guys pollute a niche forum where men wanna share techniques and methods that actually do work. I don't get it. Join a r/incel forum and circlejerk how bad women are and receive billions of likes.

If you are here, why cant you ve positive and try try try ? What you got to lose? Nobody gives a fvck about you in this world. Especially if you dont give a fvck about yourself.

 

[Gamisch]

I also dress really well, groom, make decent money, have lower, standards, etc...But I'm an alternative black guy who isn't extroverted or assertive so all my positives get counter-acted by not living up to stereotypes/expectations or not having a great face.

Yeah I don't get that at all. If you're 6'4, white and ripped, IDC if you look like a deformed burn victim in the face, average-decent women should be a given, and you should routinely have a shot with the really hot ones. At least that's how it would be a few years back before everything changed with the male/female dynamic where now even whales believe they deserve Zach Effron and nothing less.

Just read a reddit post where a guy says he is exactly the stats you wrote down. 6,4 6 figures bladibla, no likes. Oke .basically a Chad-ish dude who tries to tell yall it's hard for most guys. Also the guy you portrait as perfect struggles (on old).

Maybe he shouldn't feel entitled , and try different methods. The world doesntvowe you women , money succes or whatever. It's never giving, you gotta go and take it and throw yourself in the fight without being scared to get scarred.

Personal question: what's the worst that can happen when you radically change your mindset? You guys are just stubborn entitled little bitches refusing to adjust and than complain about it.

 

[allergictobs]

All accurate. According to the black pill, someone like you should have an easy time getting laid since you are 6'3" and in good shape.

@sangheilios has been another curious case as a 6'4" man with big muscles. He's been treated like shiit by women. That's not supposed to happen according to the black pill. A 6'4" man with big muscles is supposed to get laid regularly, and get laid regularly by elite looking women.

It's amazing how much importance people place on looks alone, thinking that their failures are due to how they look and not how they act. Even more amazing is that most men think that all women are alike, while anyone who has spent time with women can clearly see that they are individuals with differing thoughts and needs. Sure, some things are common, but there is a huge amount of variation.

Even I, as a man, place only about 50% importance on a woman's looks and the other 50% on her personality. If it is somewhat true that women are less visually oriented than guys, then it can certainly be the case tha a lot of women evaluate a guy e.g. 33% on looks, 33% on personality, 33% on wealth/status.

What's clear is that most people have a minimum threshold regarding each of the criteria they have for a partner. So, for example, a woman might not date a guy who is below average in looks, even if he had a great personality and lots of money. But once the minimum threshold for looks is exceeded, then it doesn't matter much at all whether the guy is 6'3'' or 5'9''. After the minimum is met, then the other criteria become more important.

Similarly, for a guy, if a woman is at least moderately attractive, then her personality starts to matter more and more. If she is an 8 or a 9 lookswise, then almost all that matters after that is her personality. I'm quite sure women think the same way, although their criteria may be a bit different. But this reasoning is what the black pillers get so wrong - they think that you need to be a 10 lookswise, when in reality you just need to exceed a minimum level after which other qualities make most or all the difference.

 

[corrector]

All accurate. According to the black pill, someone like you should have an easy time getting laid since you are 6'3" and in good shape.

@sangheilios has been another curious case as a 6'4" man with big muscles. He's been treated like shiit by women. That's not supposed to happen according to the black pill. A 6'4" man with big muscles is supposed to get laid regularly, and get laid regularly by elite looking women.

That is not what prominent so-called blackpillers, like What Waffles are saying. They look at the face structure, the jawline, facial symmetry, how your nose looks (ie is it long and crooked, etc...) etc... they will place more emphasis on how your face looks rather than your height and being in shape. Then at that, you have to be socially competent even if are an 7 or 8 tier guy. If you have some psychological issue where you really can't talk to people then even that can be an issue.

 

[corrector]

It's amazing how much importance people place on looks alone, thinking that their failures are due to how they look and not how they act. Even more amazing is that most men think that all women are alike, while anyone who has spent time with women can clearly see that they are individuals with differing thoughts and needs. Sure, some things are common, but there is a huge amount of variation.

Even I, as a man, place only about 50% importance on a woman's looks and the other 50% on her personality. If it is somewhat true that women are less visually oriented than guys, then it can certainly be the case tha a lot of women evaluate a guy e.g. 33% on looks, 33% on personality, 33% on wealth/status.

What's clear is that most people have a minimum threshold regarding each of the criteria they have for a partner. So, for example, a woman might not date a guy who is below average in looks, even if he had a great personality and lots of money. But once the minimum threshold for looks is exceeded, then it doesn't matter much at all whether the guy is 6'3'' or 5'9''. After the minimum is met, then the other criteria become more important.

Similarly, for a guy, if a woman is at least moderately attractive, then her personality starts to matter more and more. If she is an 8 or a 9 lookswise, then almost all that matters after that is her personality. I'm quite sure women think the same way, although their criteria may be a bit different. But this reasoning is what the black pillers get so wrong - they think that you need to be a 10 lookswise, when in reality you just need to exceed a minimum level after which other qualities make most or all the difference.

Where do you fit into the looks scale? Some people may find it hypocritical for someone who might be a chad to say that looks doesn't matter.