What the blackpill gets wrong. Hypergamy isnt as bad as we think.

[lost_blackbird]

Why are you this forum? Do you think you might be gay?

I'm not a forum, I'm a human being.
No, I do not think I might be gay.
I just don't like women. Like being the key word.

 

[thelambofdeth]

Those are both long droughts. Even since I eliminated porn and masturbation from my life, shorter droughts have made that easier. If you're getting laid, it's less likely porn and masturbation will be relevant. Droughts of 2-3 months are tough for me to handle.

It isn't easy for the typical guy to get laid in 2010-present. Look at the increasing rates of male sexlessness during the past 12 months statistic as evidence of that. That's also the worst cases. Plenty of men have 2-10 month droughts who don't get counted in that statistic. Even married men have lousy sex lives in a lot of cases.

It's a very long drought, and I'm basically wasting the last few years of my youth. In regards to myself at least, porn is a catch-22. Relying on it certainly doesn't help with women, but if I had women, I wouldn't be relying on it in the first place. People think bc women are more openly slooty and promiscuous it makes getting laid easier...no, it only makes getting laid easier if it's already easy for you lols.

 

[SW15]

porn is a catch-22. Relying on it certainly doesn't help with women, but if I had women, I wouldn't be relying on it in the first place. People think bc women are more openly slooty and promiscuous it makes getting laid easier...no, it only makes getting laid easier if it's already easy for you lols.

All accurate. According to the black pill, someone like you should have an easy time getting laid since you are 6'3" and in good shape.

@sangheilios has been another curious case as a 6'4" man with big muscles. He's been treated like shiit by women. That's not supposed to happen according to the black pill. A 6'4" man with big muscles is supposed to get laid regularly, and get laid regularly by elite looking women.

 

[thelambofdeth]

All accurate. According to the black pill, someone like you should have an easy time getting laid since you are 6'3" and in good shape.

@sangheilios has been another curious case as a 6'4" man with big muscles. He's been treated like shiit by women. That's not supposed to happen according to the black pill. A 6'4" man with big muscles is supposed to get laid regularly, and get laid regularly by elite looking women.

I also dress really well, groom, make decent money, have lower, standards, etc...But I'm an alternative black guy who isn't extroverted or assertive so all my positives get counter-acted by not living up to stereotypes/expectations or not having a great face.

Yeah I don't get that at all. If you're 6'4, white and ripped, IDC if you look like a deformed burn victim in the face, average-decent women should be a given, and you should routinely have a shot with the really hot ones. At least that's how it would be a few years back before everything changed with the male/female dynamic where now even whales believe they deserve Zach Effron and nothing less.

 

[Gamisch]

All accurate. According to the black pill, someone like you should have an easy time getting laid since you are 6'3" and in good shape.

@sangheilios has been another curious case as a 6'4" man with big muscles. He's been treated like shiit by women. That's not supposed to happen according to the black pill. A 6'4" man with big muscles is supposed to get laid regularly, and get laid regularly by elite looking women.

But fellows, isn't that the definition of insanity? Somewhere you've been told big muscles height and fashion is needed to get women. So you apply ,but it doesnt work. Why would you keep doing the same thing, keep your focus on these aspects while they clearly ain't working?

Isnt it a man's burden to figure out what does work? In this thread alone I've read multiple possible solutions. Thing is, guys refuse to get out of their comfort zone and than complain they dont get the results the like.


Is almost like being on a motorcycle forum, saying you have a technical problem . Now all kinds of solutions coming your way but you refuse too apply. Even when people tell you they had the Exact same problem and managed to solve it.

Its a man's obligation to try different things, to reinvent himself and try untill something works.

If you refuse and don't get any and you are happy ? Good for you!! But why you guys pollute a niche forum where men wanna share techniques and methods that actually do work. I don't get it. Join a r/incel forum and circlejerk how bad women are and receive billions of likes.

If you are here, why cant you ve positive and try try try ? What you got to lose? Nobody gives a fvck about you in this world. Especially if you dont give a fvck about yourself.

 

[Gamisch]

I also dress really well, groom, make decent money, have lower, standards, etc...But I'm an alternative black guy who isn't extroverted or assertive so all my positives get counter-acted by not living up to stereotypes/expectations or not having a great face.

Yeah I don't get that at all. If you're 6'4, white and ripped, IDC if you look like a deformed burn victim in the face, average-decent women should be a given, and you should routinely have a shot with the really hot ones. At least that's how it would be a few years back before everything changed with the male/female dynamic where now even whales believe they deserve Zach Effron and nothing less.

Just read a reddit post where a guy says he is exactly the stats you wrote down. 6,4 6 figures bladibla, no likes. Oke .basically a Chad-ish dude who tries to tell yall it's hard for most guys. Also the guy you portrait as perfect struggles (on old).

Maybe he shouldn't feel entitled , and try different methods. The world doesntvowe you women , money succes or whatever. It's never giving, you gotta go and take it and throw yourself in the fight without being scared to get scarred.

Personal question: what's the worst that can happen when you radically change your mindset? You guys are just stubborn entitled little bitches refusing to adjust and than complain about it.

 

[allergictobs]

All accurate. According to the black pill, someone like you should have an easy time getting laid since you are 6'3" and in good shape.

@sangheilios has been another curious case as a 6'4" man with big muscles. He's been treated like shiit by women. That's not supposed to happen according to the black pill. A 6'4" man with big muscles is supposed to get laid regularly, and get laid regularly by elite looking women.

It's amazing how much importance people place on looks alone, thinking that their failures are due to how they look and not how they act. Even more amazing is that most men think that all women are alike, while anyone who has spent time with women can clearly see that they are individuals with differing thoughts and needs. Sure, some things are common, but there is a huge amount of variation.

Even I, as a man, place only about 50% importance on a woman's looks and the other 50% on her personality. If it is somewhat true that women are less visually oriented than guys, then it can certainly be the case tha a lot of women evaluate a guy e.g. 33% on looks, 33% on personality, 33% on wealth/status.

What's clear is that most people have a minimum threshold regarding each of the criteria they have for a partner. So, for example, a woman might not date a guy who is below average in looks, even if he had a great personality and lots of money. But once the minimum threshold for looks is exceeded, then it doesn't matter much at all whether the guy is 6'3'' or 5'9''. After the minimum is met, then the other criteria become more important.

Similarly, for a guy, if a woman is at least moderately attractive, then her personality starts to matter more and more. If she is an 8 or a 9 lookswise, then almost all that matters after that is her personality. I'm quite sure women think the same way, although their criteria may be a bit different. But this reasoning is what the black pillers get so wrong - they think that you need to be a 10 lookswise, when in reality you just need to exceed a minimum level after which other qualities make most or all the difference.

 

[corrector]

All accurate. According to the black pill, someone like you should have an easy time getting laid since you are 6'3" and in good shape.

@sangheilios has been another curious case as a 6'4" man with big muscles. He's been treated like shiit by women. That's not supposed to happen according to the black pill. A 6'4" man with big muscles is supposed to get laid regularly, and get laid regularly by elite looking women.

That is not what prominent so-called blackpillers, like What Waffles are saying. They look at the face structure, the jawline, facial symmetry, how your nose looks (ie is it long and crooked, etc...) etc... they will place more emphasis on how your face looks rather than your height and being in shape. Then at that, you have to be socially competent even if are an 7 or 8 tier guy. If you have some psychological issue where you really can't talk to people then even that can be an issue.

 

[corrector]

It's amazing how much importance people place on looks alone, thinking that their failures are due to how they look and not how they act. Even more amazing is that most men think that all women are alike, while anyone who has spent time with women can clearly see that they are individuals with differing thoughts and needs. Sure, some things are common, but there is a huge amount of variation.

Even I, as a man, place only about 50% importance on a woman's looks and the other 50% on her personality. If it is somewhat true that women are less visually oriented than guys, then it can certainly be the case tha a lot of women evaluate a guy e.g. 33% on looks, 33% on personality, 33% on wealth/status.

What's clear is that most people have a minimum threshold regarding each of the criteria they have for a partner. So, for example, a woman might not date a guy who is below average in looks, even if he had a great personality and lots of money. But once the minimum threshold for looks is exceeded, then it doesn't matter much at all whether the guy is 6'3'' or 5'9''. After the minimum is met, then the other criteria become more important.

Similarly, for a guy, if a woman is at least moderately attractive, then her personality starts to matter more and more. If she is an 8 or a 9 lookswise, then almost all that matters after that is her personality. I'm quite sure women think the same way, although their criteria may be a bit different. But this reasoning is what the black pillers get so wrong - they think that you need to be a 10 lookswise, when in reality you just need to exceed a minimum level after which other qualities make most or all the difference.

Where do you fit into the looks scale? Some people may find it hypocritical for someone who might be a chad to say that looks doesn't matter.

 

[allergictobs]

Where do you fit into the looks scale? Some people may find it hypocritical for someone who might be a chad to say that looks doesn't matter.

My thoughts are based on observations about the world around me, not necessarily about my own experiences. Do you find something wrong or untrue about the thought process I described (everyone has a minimum level that needs to be satisfied, and after that, other qualities matter much more)? I'd say it's quite universal.

 

[Barrister]

I just skimmed 8 pages of this thread and am confused on what the black pill got wrong (wasn't aware it got anything right personally) or on how hypergamy "isn't as bad as we think." Whatever that means.

The best thing any man who wants to game women can do is make himself the best version of himself possible (Re: max your SMV) between everything. Dress sharp and learn how to be charismatic in ALL of your interactions. With both men and women. If you have a powerful personality, you will attract the attention of people in general. This is especially a turn-on to women (high social proof). It doesn't require lots of money nor for you to look like Brad Pitt. But it is a mindset that you need to get yourself into.

 

[corrector]

My thoughts are based on observations about the world around me, not necessarily about my own experiences. Do you find something wrong or untrue about the thought process I described (everyone has a minimum level that needs to be satisfied, and after that, other qualities matter much more)? I'd say it's quite universal.

You didn't answer the question.

 

[Gamisch]

You didn't answer the question.

Neither do you. Looks dont matter as much. How many times we have to repeat that? But I geuss that would destroy your believe system and take away your main excuse to improve, you rather keep trolling the forum talking about how you'll never get a women and how that is a fixed fact that can never change. Than you use race as a argument , shutting down responses cause " you wknt know bc you're not black durr durr ".

You a troll.

 

[HaleyBaron]

I made it through the first page, but I'm not reading 5 more pages of this phucking garbage.

Prostitution >>>>> thirst control. Sex, at least occasionally, is a biological need for optimal mental health and is listed on Maslow's Hierarchy chart twice.

Prostitution also >>>>> dumpster diving

Just because the women are bad in a country where it's legal doesn't mean those women wouldn't be *worse* without its legality.

It's the world's oldest profession for a reason.

I think spinning plates is technically prostitution except I'm not paying much for it. It seems like my bud's theory that all women are prostitutes is holding firm considering my half gfs I even had. With one who joked that she seemed like a prostitute to me since all we did was meet and had sex. Once I am done, I want to go back to doing business and career stuff. Having a woman to **** to get rid of my horniness is a liberating thing, but the fact only few men have access to such a luxury is sad in this day and age. It really does clear the mind. F*ck that whole abstinence bs.

 

[HaleyBaron]

I haven't gotten laid in almost two years, and I'm definitely not gay. Gay guys don't have issues getting laid...I can only speak for myself, but it's often more complicated than that. Too many dudes here are guilty of mass projection and think bc its easy for them to get laid, its easy for everyone. It absolutely isn't...especially these days.

This is more proof that posters like you need to sit back, shut up, and listen to people who do get laid instead of pretending you know everything.

 

[DonJuanjr]

it doesn't matter much at all whether the guy is 6'3'' or 5'9''.

Why is it, that whenever people say things like this, I never see 5'6" as the bottom of the range? This tells me that once you're in 5'6" it may actually matter.

 

[corrector]

Neither do you. Looks dont matter as much. How many times we have to repeat that? But I geuss that would destroy your believe system and take away your main excuse to improve, you rather keep trolling the forum talking about how you'll never get a women and how that is a fixed fact that can never change. Than you use race as a argument , shutting down responses cause " you wknt know bc you're not black durr durr ".

You a troll.

When you make accusations prepare to back them up. Show me any post where I shut anyone down and say "because they are not black". There is virtually no other black poster on here that is incel and are all successful. @EyeBRollin has over 1000 notches, @forcerecon01 is good to go too, and the list goes on. What you DO hear me say is simply ask a simple question, are you a chad? Why is it valid to ask that? Because when someone who says looks doesn't matter who DOESN'T HAVE THE LOOKS, sounds more credible than someone who has the looks, are downplaying them and thinking it's their game or status. That is what you call virtue signaling and hypocrisy. That is not helpful.

 

[allergictobs]

Why is it, that whenever people say things like this, I never see 5'6" as the bottom of the range? This tells me that once you're in 5'6" it may actually matter.

Sure, it matters more if you are at the extremes. I purposely selected heights which are near the average to point out that height is almost irrelevant if you are not an outlier. What I wrote about people having a minimum level for a quality directly agrees with your assumption that height may actually matter. Many women have a minimum height criterion for their partner. For some, it may be 5'11', for some it might be 5'4'' depending on their own height as well.

By the way, men also have minimum (maximum) height requirements for women - or how would you feel dating a woman who is 6'5'' or 4'5''?

 

[BeExcellent]

Hmmm. I’m going to be straight up here. If a man lacks social calibration then that is going to affect his social interactions with women.

Social attenuation is MORE important than looks. You can be physically attractive and yet socially awkward. Now. For whatever reason people seem to have this expectation that a handsome man couldn’t possibly be awkward or socially uncalibrated but I’m here to tell you that absolutely can be the case.

In my twenties I recall two first dates in particular. One with an upcoming attorney, another with an anesthesiologist, a doctor. Both men were brilliant and had solid careers, obviously. Both were fit and dashingly well dressed very handsome men. Neither one could hold a conversation about something other than their careers. I worked the first 6 years of my career doing anesthesia research at a major medical center and my parents were both lawyers, so I was well informed and conversant in what these men did for a living…

But beyond that? Both interactions were memorably awkward. I was relieved to have each of those dates end, and interestingly both were drinks dates, not dinner dates.

One problem with drinks dates is that if you don’t do well at small talk & the exchange that needs to happen in a conversation, you suffer because there isn’t something to do besides chat. With an activity date, and even a dinner date there is something to do besides chat, and that is the activity or eating your meal (which also creates a neutral topic to chat about).

Drinks dates are easy for socially well calibrated people but challenging for socially awkward people.

If a man struggles socially that is the single most important issue that he must solve. If women cannot relate to you it will adversely effect your results. Period.

Both the dates I mentioned above were disasters and as they went on I wanted to be outta there.

That is the single biggest thing some of the guys here need to overcome. It can be paralyzingly scary. Telling men who struggle to hold a conversation with a woman to escalate and **** the ****ens out of her is like telling an Englishman that all the answers he needs are in this Mandarin Chinese book! Just read it!! If the man doesn’t understand Chinese he can’t read the information and so he cannot apply the things he needs to do. First he’s got to either learn Chinese or hire a translator.

Seems to me that is what is going on here with some posters. Believe me, I can help a man pull women. I’ve done that with great success for years. But if a man can’t even talk to people without seeming weird?

You gotta get out there and socialize to learn how. No matter now introverted or awkward you might be or feel. That is the first and biggest hurdle.

And if it doesn’t come naturally? You must do it. Learn by doing.

 

[Gamisch]

When you make accusations prepare to back them up. Show me any post where I shut anyone down and say "because they are not black". There is virtually no other black poster on here that is incel and are all successful. @EyeBRollin has over 1000 notches, @forcerecon01 is good to go too, and the list goes on. What you DO hear me say is simply ask a simple question, are you a chad? Why is it valid to ask that? Because when someone who says looks doesn't matter who DOESN'T HAVE THE LOOKS, sounds more credible than someone who has the looks, are downplaying them and thinking it's their game or status. That is what you call virtue signaling and hypocrisy. That is not helpful.

I believe @BackInTheGame78 said multiple times he is average looking . @SW15 also mentions it about himself. And I bet there are many more posters who will confirm that looks only bring you so far. We mentioned posters who do have the stats (6 6 6) but are unable to pull. So you have all the information you need according to your last paragraph.


Yet you keep asking guys to confirm that they look like chad so you can keep on drowning yourself in petty. And I believe it is you taking about how race affect your results on the market. So the white crowd must shut up and "just take your word on it".(using race should be a ban imo ). So now you have; face ,race ioi ect ect as an excuse . Smh.

YOU are not helpful dude. Because any poster or lurker who is new and feels like he is in your position might use you as a confirmation he will never be good enough and able to change his results.

You could also make a thread, dairy style, where you decide to change everything radically. Post a picture of yourself and get feedback. Do approaches ect. So YOU become a testimony how to go from a to z.

But no, you rather keep whining and arguing with guys who do have succes with women.

Sit back , shut up and listen. Ask advice and do it. Step by step. Than write here about what does and what doesn't work. THAT'S being helpful. Why dont you just admit you are stubborn depressed and pvssy starved and desperately want a solution? The forum is FILLED with men who can help you bro..


By the way I am Caribbean so the whole race thing doesn't work with me.