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In light of El Payaso's post, I want to clarify that I'm not suggesting you make the same mistakes I did amazingswayze. Rather, I suggest that you open yourself up a little bit, even to the risk of potentially getting hurt. You cannot be close to another person without doing so. Here's a quote...

Yes, in general you should be leading. But let her propose a date every now and then, it doesn't have to be your way or the highway 100% of the time. This allows her to invest in you, and builds intimacy. The act of her thinking of something to do that she believes might please you is something...

I may be in the small minority in my opinion on this, but I think it's a damn shame if you go through life without feeling burning, crippling love for a woman. For however much it can hurt if things go wrong (and from my experience, it hurt A LOT), I wouldn't change a single thing in my past -...

Trump, let me first say that I agree - this is the mindset that's most effective, bar none. However, most men (including myself) are not at that stage where purely "doing your own thing" is going to get results. Though ultimately you should be doing whatever you feel is right in the moment, I...

Dragonblood, You know you screwed up. That's what is most important here. I can tell you feel pretty deeply about this. But talking to Miguel is not something you can really do (I do understand your desire to help him and make amends)...it's extremely unlikely that he'll take it anywhere near...

I've felt the exact same thing Huffman. Even to such an extent that I would feel very real fear when a girl showed interest in me, because I was worried about potential awkwardness on the date, that I'd do poorly, and that her opinion of me would become bad. It's pretty crippling stuff, and I...

Agreed with Fritters. Ultimately you do what YOU want and what YOU feel is best. The main point of the whole plate spinning theory is, as Fritters said, to keep you out of scarcity mentality. You shouldn't be getting too infatuated with a girl you've just met, plate spinning gives you some...

I like topics like this. Too often on this forum we highlight the negative aspects of managing and dealing with women, and in the process fail to appreciate some of the things that really make women shine. It's important for men (especially the people on this forum, having taken the red pill) to...

Can't add too much that other's haven't said, but I'd just like to reiterate that your troubles with women will diminish in significance (and evaporate quickly) when you have the rest of your life sorted out. Develop a career you are proud of, fill your life with hobbies you enjoy, and you'll...

I see that you're a new member - welcome to the forum bud. In response to your topic, well, I'm pretty sure I know that you know that it's not true. If something has happened to make you discouraged and take a binary outlook on things (can't get a girl without a girl vs. getting girls is easy...

There's this whole thing you can do called "flipping the script", Chateau Heartiste talks about it. Use the typical qualifications/disqualifications that girls use - in the right situations of course - and you'll often get good responses. Playfully accusing her of stalking, calling her creepy...

A quote from Pook, which has stuck with me: "How do I judge a woman’s character? I see how she treats people who can do nothing for her. This test has never failed me." I've felt and observed the same. The girls I know who treated waiters, custodians, cashiers, and strangers in general with...

Thanks everyone for the input. I still have some moving on to do, as is evidenced, but your insight has helped a ton in realizing my own tendencies..

Another update, as she has recently replied, and I'm seeking some guidance here. Below is the email conversation: Me (my initial email) Hey K (her name), how are you? Are you and your family ok after the earthquake? There's a relief fundraiser going on at (our university) if you haven't heard...

I wanted to revive this thread, because I've been having the same issues in my recent approaches/interactions with women, and need some more guidance. I'd also like to note that, in response to the above posters, it's not simply a lack of practice, the issue goes a bit deeper than that. Lately...

Seems extremely daring guru, that's crazy... But hey, I guess it can work. I think it also has to do with looks, as Stugot mentioned - your average looking dude probably couldn't get away with being that forward. I'd also wager it has to do with the disposition of the woman, if she was very...

This is some great information guys, thanks. The problem likely is, as you're mentioning, a lack of escalation progression and/or lack of interest. Though in the scenario where the girl didn't want to sit on my lap, I had already put my arm around her when sitting next to each other and held...

When you're with a girl who seems to be interested you, lets you touch her etc., how do you react when she stops your advances? On one occasion, I was hanging out with a girl, we were vibing really well. After a while, I told her to sit on my lap and she said no. I asked her a couple more...

On the contrary, I - and likely many others here - have the reverse problem: I attribute all failure with women to myself. I'm seeing some improvement, but it's a bit depressing sometimes...makes it hard to develop any sort of confidence in my ability to interact with women. A very large...

Great post, very insightful. Therapeutic, even. Repped +1