Why are men shamed for using escorts/hookers? Isnt that the ultimate dread if a guy has used them?

[corrector]

Isn’t that against your religion?

Of course it is. I don't visit prostitutes today. That was 8 years ago, only twice. Had a debilitating after-effect where I lost a month, and had residuals the year afterwards. Everything is documented including the recovery back to normal.

 

[HaleyBaron]

There's no helping for some men, that's why I said risk is close to 0% not 0%. It's way way smaller than with modern hoes for these 2 reasons: 1. the deal is upfront with an escort whereas with a modern hoe it's a game of pretense and acting and the guy gets lost in the role.
2. the exposure to 'poison' so to speak is of much shorter duration with escorts therefore the probability of getting ill is much lower.

I do agree that the margin between normal women and hookers has decreased in difference. There's far more western women becoming wh*res than ever before.

I think we can agree that all women have the potential to be wh*res. Some men would claim that all women are wh*res just to get the obvious out of the way as they can become one eventually. And cheating wives has been a thing since the beginning of human civilization. The temptation is too good to pass up. So some people will go "Just get a hooker" to get to the endgame.

However, I am still a man. And my dignity and manhood asks me to stay away from hookers. The chase is what keeps me interested and my body rewards me more than an easy lay.

 

[EyeBRollin]

However, I am still a man. And my dignity and manhood asks me to stay away from hookers. The chase is what keeps me interested and my body rewards me more than an easy lay.

This isn’t an either or - hookers vs. “normal” women. I don’t think anyone would advise men to just only visit escorts. Hookers provide a service- immediate sexual access and submission that some guys desire in that moment.

Also, discretion is a big reason why celebrities and high powered men utilize escorts. They cant just fvck random women that don’t come with references.

 

[patb]

I support the legalization of prostitution, with the explicit aim of reducing the bargaining power of women. I often like the idea of using escorts (never actually have). In practice, though, I don't think I'd like it. When I visited SEA, my interest in buying sex evaporated, probably exactly because I knew it was within easy reach. It's the the ability to get sex on demand that counts, not the actual act so much.

 

[Dr.Suave]

Wasnt it Charlie Sheen who said something like "I dont pay h00kers for sex, I pay them to leave" ?

 

[pipeman84]

The difference is desire based submission vs. dollar based submission. The women who have sex with guys online after first meeting, are still filled with enough raw desire for the man to do so... Unlike the paid for escort..

That's a devalued desire...value is given by the scarcity and the awareness that she desires you for your unique qualities. As she's had plenty of c0cks, you're just one of the bunch and since she's practically having sex with a stranger, what's there to be proud about? You're just a dyck to her that happened to match that day...if you had been offline, she would've matched with a different one.

 

[Slowhandluke]

I support the legalization of prostitution, with the explicit aim of reducing the bargaining power of women. I often like the idea of using escorts (never actually have). In practice, though, I don't think I'd like it. When I visited SEA, my interest in buying sex evaporated, probably exactly because I knew it was within easy reach. It's the the ability to get sex on demand that counts, not the actual act so much.

Traditionally there have always been prostitutes.. even when the average women were more "traditional" and more virginal. In the 1950's, 1960's etc.. prostitution was more "underground" but people implicitly allowed it even the women.

IIRC, in Desi Arnaz's autobiography, he stated that for the typical Latin boy, a boys first experience with sex was with a prostitute. He included. I think his dad gave him a ride and tacitly approved it.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Wasnt it Charlie Sheen who said something like "I dont pay h00kers for sex, I pay them to leave" ?

Yes. The argument being it saves time and is more discreet. Pay a high end pro for a set length of time vs go through the process of sourcing, screening, and seducing an equal caliber (looks wise) woman.

The other caveat- I’ve heard don’t get hookers in Vegas. The risk of robbery is…. certain.

 

[HaleyBaron]

This isn’t an either or - hookers vs. “normal” women. I don’t think anyone would advise men to just only visit escorts. Hookers provide a service- immediate sexual access and submission that some guys desire in that moment.

Also, discretion is a big reason why celebrities and high powered men utilize escorts. They cant just fvck random women that don’t come with references.

Then those men are considered taking huge Ls for submitting to the easy option. Those aren't men, they're boys.

 

[pipeman84]

This is implying that women have never rejected an online guy the she met from sex. I doubt this is true. Women have probably rejected just as many if not more men they met from dating sites, than actually slept with.

Of course. Let me try make my point clearer:
One can't seriously believe the desire of a modern hoe off an app is truly for him as an unique man. Firstly because as I said, she doesn't actually know him. Secondly because the modern hoe has messed up her femininity and consequently her capacity of true desire/appreciation for a man. Just because she doesn't reject him like she did with others, I don't see it as proof of desire but as a manifestation of a 'good enough for now' feeling.

I can also argue that an escort can desire a guy for more than just his money: a fit guy who knows how to fvck is more desired by the escort compared to her fat clients with limp dycks.

 

[HaleyBaron]

n. Just because she doesn't reject him like she did with others, I don't see it as proof of desire

But it is a proof of desire. A woman is still sacrificing her time and giving a risk to hope that the man she is shacking up with is going to give her what she wants. And when he does, her desire becomes something money cannot buy. You should see how frustrated men are when the hookers they get never return that desire. They want the girl to like him and only him no matter the money, and yet she never does. Thus, Captain Save A Ho.

 

[pipeman84]

But it is a proof of desire. A woman is still sacrificing her time and giving a risk to hope that the man she is shacking up with is going to give her what she wants. And when he does, her desire becomes something money cannot buy. You should see how frustrated men are when the hookers they get never return that desire. They want the girl to like him and only him no matter the money, and yet she never does. Thus, Captain Save A Ho.

No not money, but time, mental, emotional energy...each can appreciate for himself which is more valuable.
I agree with you that there are plenty cases of very sad men out there, otherwise there would be no OnlyFans for instance.

 

[EyeBRollin]

You should see how frustrated men are when the hookers they get never return that desire.

You know this from experience?

They want the girl to like him and only him no matter the money, and yet she never does.

Or they just want to bang a <insert fetish> girl.

 

[Hal9000]

As someone wisely once said, you aren't paying them for the sex, you're paying them to go away afterwards. Anyone who has dealt with a significant number of modern women can attest, its worth every cent not to have to deal with most of them once you're done.

 

[HaleyBaron]

As someone wisely once said, you aren't paying them for the sex, you're paying them to go away afterwards. Anyone who has dealt with a significant number of modern women can attest, its worth every cent not to have to deal with most of them once you're done.

Charlie Sheen was also a drug addict, so I'd be careful taking anything he say lightly.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Charlie Sheen was also a drug addict, so I'd be careful taking anything he say lightly.

That’s an ad hominem. What’s untruthful about his statement?

 

[Gamisch]

I do agree that the margin between normal women and hookers has decreased in difference. There's far more western women becoming wh*res than ever before.

I think we can agree that all women have the potential to be wh*res. Some men would claim that all women are wh*res just to get the obvious out of the way as they can become one eventually. And cheating wives has been a thing since the beginning of human civilization. The temptation is too good to pass up. So some people will go "Just get a hooker" to get to the endgame.

However, I am still a man. And my dignity and manhood asks me to stay away from hookers. The chase is what keeps me interested and my body rewards me more than an easy lay.

I agree with this to some extent.

My region has legal prostitution. Around 100-200 bucks a pop. If you are on a budget you can go further east and feck women for 30 bucks a pop. Mind you, these are mostly HOT (hb6-hb8)east European and Latin women. These are called " walking houses".

There are two types of guys, or maybe three; 1 .the guy who doesn't go. 2.The guy who does nothing but this 3. The guy in the middle.

Most men I know are 3. Social conditioning, shame and guilt , money..all reasons why men are reluctant to visit prostitutes. Going to the walking house can be a fun " guys night out" similar like going to the stripclub with some friends.

My experience. I am also type 3. I visited like 10 prostitutes in my life with various experiences. I mostly went after break ups and during dry spells. I am a fit big dude so most of the time the girls responded positive to my presence, although there is always a certain amount of acting going on.

It's a gamble whether the woman will be in to you, and you will only know AFTER you payed ..the best experience will happen when you pick one specific prostitute you can vibe with and become a regular , or when you pay more for the gfe (girl friend experience).

After some time I personally felt like ther is no win in it for me.

-the sex is subpar. If you know what passionate sex is like ,with a woman drooling over you , you know a hooker can't replicate that.

- I felt empty afterwards. There is still a sense of shame to it. It's not something you talk about during Christmas dinner. Although I have to admit that sometimes during dryspells I had some nice women it was a great relief. But still these are "not my proudest notches".

-during a dryspell it's a bandaid on a shot wound. Not only that, you'll *** way too quick . Even when you pay for a hour, after busting 2 nuts she'll tell you it's over. Argument with a hooker?= red button and some gorilla will kick you out. (This can happen at anytime by the way. Even when you payed and didn't had sex she can kick you out).

- to add to the last point, so you pay a 100 bucks to feck 10-15 minutes. How often can you do that? 3 times a week? 1 time a month?

- it's bad for my own conscious. At some point I was like feck it I might as well feck a hbsub5 and save money. It lowers my self esteem somehow. When I am at my best and got some women left right a hooker wouldn't even be on my mind, so that says it all right . There is no game involved, aside from you being your best, nice clothes, ripped, smelling good ect.

- its imo a depressing thing. Both you and the woman are "pathetic ". That evens it out a little. She is a ho3 and you are a incel. Nice to meet ya. Most of these women are broken. Let's just say fecking a hot ,smart ,clean woman is not the same as fecking a hooker.

-its actually quite dangerous and risky .There is always the chance the condom slips. You can get tuberculosis. Skin diseases and lice are a option. If you meet them at their or your own home you can get scammed or robbed real easy.

I can go on and on. This is all from the male pov obviously. Oh , and you DON'T necessarily want the hottest girl in the room. The hotter ones are stuck up. Aim a little lower and you might at least get a freak. Personally I haven't done this in years even though the option is always available.

Its kinda like most recreational "stuff ". Take too much of it and it will have consequences.

 

[corrector]

But still these are "not my proudest notches".

You count that as a notch?

Most of these women are broken. Let's just say fecking a hot ,smart ,clean woman is not the same as fecking a hooker.

This.

 

[Gamisch]

I agree with this to some extent.

My region has legal prostitution. Around 100-200 bucks a pop. If you are on a budget you can go further east and feck women for 30 bucks a pop. Mind you, these are mostly HOT (hb6-hb8)east European and Latin women. These are called " walking houses".

There are two types of guys, or maybe three; 1 .the guy who doesn't go. 2.The guy who does nothing but this 3. The guy in the middle.

Most men I know are 3. Social conditioning, shame and guilt , money..all reasons why men are reluctant to visit prostitutes. Going to the walking house can be a fun " guys night out" similar like going to the stripclub with some friends.

My experience. I am also type 3. I visited like 10 prostitutes in my life with various experiences. I mostly went after break ups and during dry spells. I am a fit big dude so most of the time the girls responded positive to my presence, although there is always a certain amount of acting going on.

It's a gamble whether the woman will be in to you, and you will only know AFTER you payed ..the best experience will happen when you pick one specific prostitute you can vibe with and become a regular , or when you pay more for the gfe (girl friend experience).

After some time I personally felt like ther is no win in it for me.

-the sex is subpar. If you know what passionate sex is like ,with a woman drooling over you , you know a hooker can't replicate that.

- I felt empty afterwards. There is still a sense of shame to it. It's not something you talk about during Christmas dinner. Although I have to admit that sometimes during dryspells I had some nice women it was a great relief. But still these are "not my proudest notches".

-during a dryspell it's a bandaid on a shot wound. Not only that, you'll *** way too quick . Even when you pay for a hour, after busting 2 nuts she'll tell you it's over. Argument with a hooker?= red button and some gorilla will kick you out. (This can happen at anytime by the way. Even when you payed and didn't had sex she can kick you out).

- to add to the last point, so you pay a 100 bucks to feck 10-15 minutes. How often can you do that? 3 times a week? 1 time a month?

- it's bad for my own conscious. At some point I was like feck it I might as well feck a hbsub5 and save money. It lowers my self esteem somehow. When I am at my best and got some women left right a hooker wouldn't even be on my mind, so that says it all right . There is no game involved, aside from you being your best, nice clothes, ripped, smelling good ect.

- its imo a depressing thing. Both you and the woman are "pathetic ". That evens it out a little. She is a ho3 and you are a incel. Nice to meet ya. Most of these women are broken. Let's just say fecking a hot ,smart ,clean woman is not the same as fecking a hooker.

-its actually quite dangerous and risky .There is always the chance the condom slips. You can get tuberculosis. Skin diseases and lice are a option. If you meet them at their or your own home you can get scammed or robbed real easy.

I can go on and on. This is all from the male pov obviously. Oh , and you DON'T necessarily want the hottest girl in the room. The hotter ones are stuck up. Aim a little lower and you might at least get a freak. Personally I haven't done this in years even though the option is always available.

Its kinda like most recreational "stuff ". Take too much of it and it will have consequences.

Like I said it bad for your overall game . The type 2 dude, who solely relies on hookers, has bad game. Type of guy with lots of money but due looks or lack of charisma he doesn't know how to close the gap.

Some guys here go out clubbing, but the eagerness to pull women isnt there because they know they can go to a club or simply visit a site and get their D wet. Or they make the infamous calculation . Saying that going out with a random Tinder date spending money twice and not fecking is wasted money what could be spend on guaranteed pvssy .

When you are a cliche incel this wont push you to become better. You can spend ten years going to hookers and learn absolutely nothing about women.

A semi chad might use them for fun but would rather get the real passion .

 

[Gamisch]

You count that as a notch?



This.

It is a sexual experience. Your subconscious will count it as a notch. No way around it. That's why it can break your self esteem and aura, when you have more hooker notches than "normal "ones.