Why are men shamed for using escorts/hookers? Isnt that the ultimate dread if a guy has used them?

[pipeman84]

Hmm.......

So...........you only date virgins?

Let's just say that I abort mission the moment I get the modern hoe vibe.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Thinking about it. It makes sense in a way that women will shame them since it removes their only power over men. Once men know the price of pvssy most women will be afraid. Therefore they shame men from using them etc.
If a woman knows a guy has used them, she is in constant dread. Thinking if she withholds sex he can just buy sex.

It's basic submission to **** game and a rubbish existence. Ironically enough, it's all transactional in the west. It's why passport Bros is a thing.

 

[Slowhandluke]

Take away sex, and women will need to improve other areas of their life to get a man... It's always been like this through out history.

 

[eli77]

And this is the benefit of hiring escorts/hookers. Forming and maintaining relationships takes a lot of time and energy that could potentially detract from your other pursuits. If you are purely interested in just sex then this is the perfect way to go about it. You get straight to the point and then move on with your life. Let's face it, swiping through dating apps, hitting up the local nightlife and going out on dates takes time and energy, even if you are just looking for a one night stand, casual relationship, etc. If you are focused on your career or life goals you don't have time for any of this by itself, then when you factor in the drama and energy needed it may not be worth it, as is the case with your friend.

Now, if your goal is to find a woman to develop a relationship with then obviously this is not how you go about it. For some men, hiring professionals is not a good idea and could create some issues. Some men may develop attachments to escorts, particularly those they've seen more than once. This is especially the case for men that lack experience, emotional maturity or who struggle with women as a whole. It will also create some weird expectations that don't fly with women that you met in a more normal way.Also, when you visit a professional it's not the same as being with a woman that is genuinely into you and naturally has a very different feeling to it all together, no pun intended. Those women are there for your money and don't necessarily like you, this is where finding good providers is important though. Something else that I personally don't like about visiting escorts is that many of them have issues with drugs, just gives me a vibe of not wanting to associate with someone like that. More obvious issues are related to the law and high likelihood of being exposed to S.TDs.

Which is the case in most cities in the south

 

[eli77]

I smashed 7 brasses, maybe 8.

I never forget the second time I did, I was about 25, this girl was about 18, hot, likely trafficked from Eastern Europe. I know now she was new to the game as she had no idea what to do. We started kissing on the bed after about a minute of us sitting there she asking what I wanted to do, like a first date back at your mums house when you’re 17, she gave me head with the condom on, I recorded her slyly on my iPhone 5 and I smashed her after, the condom broke, I kept going in doggy for 10 mins got some great footage of me stealth barebacking her, pushed her on the bed and prone boned her for about 5-10. Remember my sweat dripping off my nose into her back, some girl banged on the door and shouting something in Romanian, I pumped harder. Nut deep inside her, feigned shock and horror at my bare baton when I pulled out. She rushed me out saying she had to shower.

I walked home down the road thinking she prob sucked all the lube off the dom that’s why it broke. Serves her right for not sucking it bare, I watched the video while walking home and later masturbated to it. I lost that phone and all my pornos about 6 months later but the scenes are etched into my mind. You would never find a young hot fresh hooker like that and get to creampie it.

I wonder if gave birth to my kid.

Where are you again?

 

[Gamisch]

If you fvck a girl you just met at a festival, unless you're an Olympic mental gymnast, you can't get past the reality she's not having sex with YOU as a unique human being, but with YOU as a dyck. Oh, but it's your dyck, not some other guy's present at the festival...in THAT moment, indeed, just like in THAT moment it's your dyck that's fvckin' the escort, not of some other dude walking down the street and having 100eur in his pocket. Same thing, a dyck penetrating a hoe.

Now, if it's a repeat thing with the said modern hoe from the festival, it's not any different in my view from being a regular with a particular escort you vibe with. If one aims to a higher level than just two persons rubbing their genitals, that can't be achieved with escorts or modern hoes. Hence the saying, don't try to turn a hoe into a housewife.

C'mon now man. I salute every woman that ever fancied me for having great taste. Thats why I love to be in places with lots of women, there will always be few that like me.You talk about mental gymnastics, but it's you who is turning and twisting every scenario towards a negative end result.

Let's say you meet your virging unicorn Disney princess. Are you gonna say she "only picked you because you happened to be there". Geuss what, being at the right pace at the right time is a key element of success stories in life, whether that's career oriented or about ones love life. With this mentality you'll end up constantly monitoring if " she still thinks you are one of a kind and unique " ,instead of assuming you are the shyte.

Sometimes I dont get this forum. Imo a DJ is more than just a RP guy. Sure, RP is a key element to understand female nature, but the DJ finds ways to benefit from this knowledge while most RP dudes cant get passed the "stage of rage"(because their Disney dreams were shattered) and turn black pill.

I know your type. We could go to a festival with thousands of beautiful women, and yet you'll find a way to retreat yourself into a corner with a sad face waiting till some virging unicorn sits next to you and the fairy tale starts . That's not how life works.

I wonder how you do this in real life. I wonder how many experiences you have with virgins.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

C'mon now man. I salute every woman that ever fancied me for having great taste. Thats why I love to be in places with lots of women, there will always be few that like me.You talk about mental gymnastics, but it's you who is trying and twisting every scenario towards a negative end result.

shvt like this is why I think the Red Pill is a cult. They turn everything into a doom gloom scenario to fit their cult like vision of life. I grew up in a cult church and the shvt they say mirrors a lot of what they would tell us. I know people that have gotten married after hooking up at a concert.

 

[Gamisch]

shvt like this is why I think the Red Pill is a cult. They turn everything into a doom gloom scenario to fit their cult like vision of life. I grew up in a cult church and the shvt they say mirrors a lot of what they would tell us. I know people that have gotten married after hooking up at a concert.

These are the most dangerous types of men out there for women. Essentially they hate women with a passion, and they will constantly display their own insecurities to them, yet don't understand why it repels women.

When I made my post I forgot to say they should simply convert to Islam, problem solved. Imo on this forum we strive to become better men, to get more and better experiences out of this short life

Let's just say that I abort mission the moment I get the modern hoe vibe.

You are 38. How does this work for you so far? If you were 24 I could somehow understand this but 38? At what age do you give this mindset up . 60? So you will be a 59 y.o man looking for a virgin?

 

[Plinco]

You're quoting a line to contraddict me on something you didnt even understand...does the line " an average middle aged men cant run game on a young hottie and succeed " which you're quoting is too hard for you to understand?

In case it's not beyond obvious, the average middle aged man" is 45/50, is 5'9, dad bod, not wealthy.

The only hotties this guys gets are the dishes at home from the washing machine and if somebody think otherwise he should stop sniffing glue.

I suppose this depends on what your context for 'average' is. I was thinking in the context that an average dude and become someone awesome, or that it is possible for an average man to have the right mindset to pull off dating 20 yo's. Do most middle age men do this? of course not. But not impossible.

 

[pipeman84]

You are 38. How does this work for you so far? If you were 24 I could somehow understand this but 38? At what age do you give this mindset up . 60? So you will be a 59 y.o man looking for a virgin?

Man, at my age I've realized that masturbation, escorts and modern hoes are basically the same thing, only the ease of access to them varies depending on location, life style etc. So I'm not beating on guys choosing one instead of the other.

I know your type. We could go to a festival with thousands of beautiful women, and yet you'll find a way to retreat yourself into a corner with a sad face waiting till some virging unicorn sits next to you and the fairy tale starts . That's not how life works.

No it's not like that. I would just see it as a trip to Amsterdam.

 

[HaleyBaron]

You're quoting a line to contraddict me on something you didnt even understand...does the line " an average middle aged men cant run game on a young hottie and succeed " which you're quoting is too hard for you to understand?

In case it's not beyond obvious, the average middle aged man" is 45/50, is 5'9, dad bod, not wealthy.

The only hotties this guys gets are the dishes at home from the washing machine and if somebody think otherwise he should stop sniffing glue.

I just saw this kind of guy out in Dallas last weekend dressed in a suit with a hot blonde on his arm. She looked like she was in her early twenties. So um....

 

[Gamisch]

Man, at my age I've realized that masturbation, escorts and modern hoes are basically the same thing, only the ease of access to them varies depending on location, life style etc. So I'm not beating on guys choosing one instead of the other.

No it's not like that. I would just see it as a trip to Amsterdam.

You didn't answer my question in my first paragraph. I seriously wonder if guys like you are realistic enough to give yourself a expiration date. 45? 50?

It's funny you say having sex with a sexy pretty woman is the same as mastrubating. Its scientifically proven that sex releases certain hormones. If you would let go of these crazy beliefs you would truly enjoy women instead of going through the motions like a butthurt robot, just because she is human being that had sex before she even knew you existed.

 

[pipeman84]

It's funny you say having sex with a sexy pretty woman is the same as mastrubating. Its scientifically proven that sex releases certain hormones. If you would let go of these crazy beliefs you would truly enjoy women instead of going through the motions like a butthurt robot, just because she is human being that had sex before she even knew you existed.

It's the arousing and ejaculation that release certain hormones. Granted, making love with someone you actually like and care about is even better. But you seem to be forgetting about the stress hormones you're releasing by dealing with a modern hoe. By the time a guy ends up here opening a thread on his BPD/NPD whatever acronym ex, you can imagine the havoc the stress hormones have caused in his body.

I don't know why you get the idea I'm butthurt, angry red pilled guy or whatever. Nothing can be further from the truth. I stated my preferences and explained why that's so.

 

[pipeman84]

Hey @Gamisch I was reading the news and an article on this modern hoe (35yrs old) came across. Thought I'd use it to illustrate my point better:
http://instagr.am/p/CmuL9sSMLSO/

I knew I loved you on our first date.. I remember sending this photo to me lasses group chat and telling them to buy a hat I knew even then what we had was going to be special

There is literally no one else in the world I would rather do life with and I know sometimes we get on each other's tits but I love you and I can't wait to spend the rest of my life with you travelling, eating good food,

This coming from a woman who's had 8 exes (that's documented, there's surely more), including 2 failed engagements.
Now if you believe this kind of BS and it gets your hormones going, more power to you.

 

[Gamisch]

Hey @Gamisch I was reading the news and an article on this modern hoe (35yrs old) came across. Thought I'd use it to illustrate my point better:
http://instagr.am/p/CmuL9sSMLSO/



This coming from a woman who's had 8 exes (that's documented, there's surely more), including 2 failed engagements.
Now if you believe this kind of BS and it gets your hormones going, more power to you.

If life give me lemons I will make sparkling sweet lemonade juice out of it.

If you'd ask me if a prefer a woman with a as low as possible body count? Sure! But that doesn't mean that I'll exclude all other women. I rather have a easy going woman with a nice personality and some experience with men than a woman with a low body count but a fecked up character. Tbh it is the bluepill that is ingrained in my system that keeps judging women on something like body count without the proper context.

Just an example; I saw that transporter movie recently (the one without Jason stratham) and there is this female lead role. Gorgeous woman ofcourse. Somewhere midway during the movie the off course feck. AFTER the fecking the have their pillow talk where she tells him she was sold as a young girl to sleep with men.

It's just a movie I know, but the takeaway imo is that even such a woman will recognize a real man, and almost assume a real man knows the ways of the world. In other words, he wont judge her and she is completely safe to say who she is and what she's been through. A weak man would judge her . The James Bonds of this world are Alpha mans that know female nature by heart and benefit from it.

And yeah, that quote is how a woman generally responds to me when I enter her life. I will stimulate her mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually and ofcourse sexually. Mind you, she can only make such an assessment by comparing a man to her previous experiences. Your unicorn virgin WILL stay fron you sooner or later, unless you are able to be the perfect man and provide her with everything. And I am not talking materialism. And this is ALSO real life experience.

 

[corrector]

When I made my post I forgot to say they should simply convert to Islam, problem solved.

How do you figure that? As you said, there are also Muslim Chads too, polygamy is there, and they also have access to the internet and can do their business privately and lie to their future husbands about their sexual past, etc... This seeps thought everywhere.

 

[corrector]

It's just a movie I know,

That is correct there.

 

[pipeman84]

@Gamisch I agree, under the modern hoe umbrella there's a wide variety of women, from those so obnoxious I wouldn't spend 15seconds in their presence (like that hoe I linked above) to cases such as you mentioned at which I'd look with empathy and which shouldn't even be described with the same disparaging term.

That said, I feel it would be both untrue to myself and my own preferences and a disservice to them to have sex with them and take advantage of their vulnerability. You can show you're a real man without having sex with a woman, you know. No woman had sex with the fictional archetypes of real men such as James Bond or some of the characters played by Steve McQueen.

 

[Dr.Suave]

If you'd ask me if a prefer a woman with a as low as possible body count? Sure! But that doesn't mean that I'll exclude all other women.

This. 100%

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

I suppose this depends on what your context for 'average' is. I was thinking in the context that an average dude and become someone awesome, or that it is possible for an average man to have the right mindset to pull off dating 20 yo's. Do most middle age men do this? of course not. But not impossible.

Average means average, if you think of a lobby of billonnaires none of them is average.

The average man is someone of average height, average weight, average hairline and average income and so on.

Otherwise I could take golds gym in the 60s and say that the average man there lifts 10x his own weight on the benchpress.

"You see bro, the average man is strong, he looks like a body builder, you need to step up your nutrition"

I just saw this kind of guy out in Dallas last weekend dressed in a suit with a hot blonde on his arm. She looked like she was in her early twenties. So um....

It was me and I paid her 300 dollars for 2 hours.