Why are men shamed for using escorts/hookers? Isnt that the ultimate dread if a guy has used them?

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It's funny you say having sex with a sexy pretty woman is the same as mastrubating. Its scientifically proven that sex releases certain hormones. If you would let go of these crazy beliefs you would truly enjoy women instead of going through the motions like a butthurt robot, just because she is human being that had sex before she even knew you existed.
It's the arousing and ejaculation that release certain hormones. Granted, making love with someone you actually like and care about is even better. But you seem to be forgetting about the stress hormones you're releasing by dealing with a modern hoe. By the time a guy ends up here opening a thread on his BPD/NPD whatever acronym ex, you can imagine the havoc the stress hormones have caused in his body. :rolleyes:

I don't know why you get the idea I'm butthurt, angry red pilled guy or whatever. Nothing can be further from the truth. I stated my preferences and explained why that's so.
 

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Hey @Gamisch I was reading the news and an article on this modern hoe (35yrs old) came across. Thought I'd use it to illustrate my point better:
http://instagr.am/p/CmuL9sSMLSO/
I knew I loved you on our first date.. I remember sending this photo to me lasses group chat and telling them to buy a hat I knew even then what we had was going to be special
There is literally no one else in the world I would rather do life with and I know sometimes we get on each other's tits but I love you and I can't wait to spend the rest of my life with you travelling, eating good food,
This coming from a woman who's had 8 exes (that's documented, there's surely more), including 2 failed engagements.
Now if you believe this kind of BS and it gets your hormones going, more power to you. ;)
 

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Hey @Gamisch I was reading the news and an article on this modern hoe (35yrs old) came across. Thought I'd use it to illustrate my point better:
http://instagr.am/p/CmuL9sSMLSO/



This coming from a woman who's had 8 exes (that's documented, there's surely more), including 2 failed engagements.
Now if you believe this kind of BS and it gets your hormones going, more power to you. ;)
If life give me lemons I will make sparkling sweet lemonade juice out of it.

If you'd ask me if a prefer a woman with a as low as possible body count? Sure! But that doesn't mean that I'll exclude all other women. I rather have a easy going woman with a nice personality and some experience with men than a woman with a low body count but a fecked up character. Tbh it is the bluepill that is ingrained in my system that keeps judging women on something like body count without the proper context.

Just an example; I saw that transporter movie recently (the one without Jason stratham) and there is this female lead role. Gorgeous woman ofcourse. Somewhere midway during the movie the off course feck. AFTER the fecking the have their pillow talk where she tells him she was sold as a young girl to sleep with men.

It's just a movie I know, but the takeaway imo is that even such a woman will recognize a real man, and almost assume a real man knows the ways of the world. In other words, he wont judge her and she is completely safe to say who she is and what she's been through. A weak man would judge her . The James Bonds of this world are Alpha mans that know female nature by heart and benefit from it.

And yeah, that quote is how a woman generally responds to me when I enter her life. I will stimulate her mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually and ofcourse sexually. Mind you, she can only make such an assessment by comparing a man to her previous experiences. Your unicorn virgin WILL stay fron you sooner or later, unless you are able to be the perfect man and provide her with everything. And I am not talking materialism. And this is ALSO real life experience.
 

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When I made my post I forgot to say they should simply convert to Islam, problem solved.
How do you figure that? As you said, there are also Muslim Chads too, polygamy is there, and they also have access to the internet and can do their business privately and lie to their future husbands about their sexual past, etc... This seeps thought everywhere.
 

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@Gamisch I agree, under the modern hoe umbrella there's a wide variety of women, from those so obnoxious I wouldn't spend 15seconds in their presence (like that hoe I linked above) to cases such as you mentioned at which I'd look with empathy and which shouldn't even be described with the same disparaging term.

That said, I feel it would be both untrue to myself and my own preferences and a disservice to them to have sex with them and take advantage of their vulnerability. You can show you're a real man without having sex with a woman, you know. No woman had sex with the fictional archetypes of real men such as James Bond or some of the characters played by Steve McQueen.
 

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If you'd ask me if a prefer a woman with a as low as possible body count? Sure! But that doesn't mean that I'll exclude all other women.
This. 100%
 

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I suppose this depends on what your context for 'average' is. I was thinking in the context that an average dude and become someone awesome, or that it is possible for an average man to have the right mindset to pull off dating 20 yo's. Do most middle age men do this? of course not. But not impossible.
Average means average, if you think of a lobby of billonnaires none of them is average.

The average man is someone of average height, average weight, average hairline and average income and so on.

Otherwise I could take golds gym in the 60s and say that the average man there lifts 10x his own weight on the benchpress.

"You see bro, the average man is strong, he looks like a body builder, you need to step up your nutrition"

I just saw this kind of guy out in Dallas last weekend dressed in a suit with a hot blonde on his arm. She looked like she was in her early twenties. So um....
It was me and I paid her 300 dollars for 2 hours.
 

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How do you figure that? As you said, there are also Muslim Chads too, polygamy is there, and they also have access to the internet and can do their business privately and lie to their future husbands about their sexual past, etc... This seeps thought everywhere.
Bingo. That's why I personally wouldn't convert to Islam(anymore)just for women. You'll get yet another a rude awaking. These actions are for bluepilled men who believe in fairy tales , and I definitely used to be one of them.

However, if your absolute demand is virginity from your wife, than this is probably your best chance . I dgaf If a woman is a virgin not. If I did I wouldn't be here on a seduction forum but rather on a Islamic forum studying the Koran.
 

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@Gamisch I agree, under the modern hoe umbrella there's a wide variety of women, from those so obnoxious I wouldn't spend 15seconds in their presence (like that hoe I linked above) to cases such as you mentioned at which I'd look with empathy and which shouldn't even be described with the same disparaging term.

That said, I feel it would be both untrue to myself and my own preferences and a disservice to them to have sex with them and take advantage of their vulnerability. You can show you're a real man without having sex with a woman, you know. No woman had sex with the fictional archetypes of real men such as James Bond or some of the characters played by Steve McQueen.
That's why James bond doent chase but gets chased after. All the work that will take is done WAY before meeting her. She'll just see the end result of his hard work and be blown away by it. The woman will reach a point where she can't take it anymore and starts undressing . Or what happened to me recently; just chilling with a girl and suddenly she starts rubbing the D with her foot out of nowhere.

Maybe in the future you will elaborate how this all works in practice. It's great theory, but I am curious how this actually works. If you are a married man in a marriage that's longer than ten years, i know enough and salute you ofcourse . But if you are a single man you are a walking bluepilled target for women who know how to act like a good girl...
 
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Maybe in the future you will elaborate how this all works in practice. It's great theory, but I am curious how this actually works. If you are a married man in a marriage that's longer than ten years, i know enough and salute you ofcourse . But if you are a single man you are a walking bluepilled target for women who know how to act like a good girl...
I'm single and happy the way I am, never been married. Up until a year ago, based on what I've seen all around me in real life and many accounts I've read on more or less public figures, I didn't see the point in it...actually in many cases it seemed like the guy had masochistic tendencies that led him to get married...basically he replaced his mother with his wife, got severely restricted on his freedoms with nothing to show for it. Like for instance this one time I wanted to stay out with a friend, he said he wanted to but he can't, the wife would be upset...Jesus Christ, it felt as if we were teenagers again and he had to abide to his mom's curfew. And I told him, and he was like yeah, that's life.

Then something changed in me and I realized there's a whole new world that waits to be explored, it exists, but one has to prepare himself for it. So that led me to various reading, gained new insights and understanding and that's how I ended up on this forum.

The best analogy I can think of is the relationship with your own body: many people don't give a shyt, and they look like it. Another category are those that give it a little thought, jump from one crazy diet to another, look better than the ones in first category but are still miserable. And then there are those that found what works for them, keep doing it and look and feel healthy, effortless.

I think the probability of a fake good girl to fool me is the same as being fooled by fake meat or plant-based milk. I learned to read the labels. ;)
 

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Your responses are boring.
Why is it that anytime someone challenges your thoughts you resort to the same type of replies to invalidate that person?

Why even reply if that's all you have?
 

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Your responses are boring.
A boring response to complain about boredom?

What can I tell you...lame inputs get you boring outputs?

Why is it that anytime someone challenges your thoughts you resort to the same type of replies to invalidate that person?

Why even reply if that's all you have?
The fact is that it's not even his personal thoughts that we're challenging, I mean think about what he said.

He said that just because he SAW an old man in a suit with a young girl in Dallas, it's not true that middle aged average man would fail cold approaching young hotties.

He could have be her dad.
 

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Why is it that anytime someone challenges your thoughts you resort to the same type of replies to invalidate that person?

Why even reply if that's all you have?
I only make those replies when reasoning fails and the person becomes childish. I'll do the same to you if you start it.
 

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I only make those replies when reasoning fails and the person becomes childish. I'll do the same to you if you start it.
Please do!
 

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I only make those replies when reasoning fails and the person becomes childish. I'll do the same to you if you start it.
"Old average men can hardly cold approach hot young women with success"

Enters Halye Baron: "thats not true cause in Dallas I saw a man in a suit with a young good looking woman".

From reasoning according to Haley Baron, sosuave pubblication circa 2022
 

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I've dated early twenties girls since entering my mid-thirties (and they were aware of my age). It can be done. Of course the relationships didn't last, because nothing lasts anymore.
 

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I’m not. I go to an Asian massage parlors with happy endings and have paid for blow jobs a couple times. I wouldn’t penetrate a sex worker ..

I have no shame about it. It cost me the same as a date, yet saved me huge amounts of time.
Where?
 

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Charlie Sheen, Hugh Grant, Tiger Woods, Eliot Spitzer, Jerry Springer, Eddie Murphy, etc etc used high end escorts.

Granted some of these guys are in the top1% of the 1%.

I feel its stigmatised when a male whom a woman knows is somewhat attainable does it because she realises he now doesnt need her and wont provide for her.
Rich chads can do as they please because she knows they wont ever commit to her.
hugh grant when?
 
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