Why are men shamed for using escorts/hookers? Isnt that the ultimate dread if a guy has used them?

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How do you figure that? As you said, there are also Muslim Chads too, polygamy is there, and they also have access to the internet and can do their business privately and lie to their future husbands about their sexual past, etc... This seeps thought everywhere.
Bingo. That's why I personally wouldn't convert to Islam(anymore)just for women. You'll get yet another a rude awaking. These actions are for bluepilled men who believe in fairy tales , and I definitely used to be one of them.

However, if your absolute demand is virginity from your wife, than this is probably your best chance . I dgaf If a woman is a virgin not. If I did I wouldn't be here on a seduction forum but rather on a Islamic forum studying the Koran.
 

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@Gamisch I agree, under the modern hoe umbrella there's a wide variety of women, from those so obnoxious I wouldn't spend 15seconds in their presence (like that hoe I linked above) to cases such as you mentioned at which I'd look with empathy and which shouldn't even be described with the same disparaging term.

That said, I feel it would be both untrue to myself and my own preferences and a disservice to them to have sex with them and take advantage of their vulnerability. You can show you're a real man without having sex with a woman, you know. No woman had sex with the fictional archetypes of real men such as James Bond or some of the characters played by Steve McQueen.
That's why James bond doent chase but gets chased after. All the work that will take is done WAY before meeting her. She'll just see the end result of his hard work and be blown away by it. The woman will reach a point where she can't take it anymore and starts undressing . Or what happened to me recently; just chilling with a girl and suddenly she starts rubbing the D with her foot out of nowhere.

Maybe in the future you will elaborate how this all works in practice. It's great theory, but I am curious how this actually works. If you are a married man in a marriage that's longer than ten years, i know enough and salute you ofcourse . But if you are a single man you are a walking bluepilled target for women who know how to act like a good girl...
 
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Maybe in the future you will elaborate how this all works in practice. It's great theory, but I am curious how this actually works. If you are a married man in a marriage that's longer than ten years, i know enough and salute you ofcourse . But if you are a single man you are a walking bluepilled target for women who know how to act like a good girl...
I'm single and happy the way I am, never been married. Up until a year ago, based on what I've seen all around me in real life and many accounts I've read on more or less public figures, I didn't see the point in it...actually in many cases it seemed like the guy had masochistic tendencies that led him to get married...basically he replaced his mother with his wife, got severely restricted on his freedoms with nothing to show for it. Like for instance this one time I wanted to stay out with a friend, he said he wanted to but he can't, the wife would be upset...Jesus Christ, it felt as if we were teenagers again and he had to abide to his mom's curfew. And I told him, and he was like yeah, that's life.

Then something changed in me and I realized there's a whole new world that waits to be explored, it exists, but one has to prepare himself for it. So that led me to various reading, gained new insights and understanding and that's how I ended up on this forum.

The best analogy I can think of is the relationship with your own body: many people don't give a shyt, and they look like it. Another category are those that give it a little thought, jump from one crazy diet to another, look better than the ones in first category but are still miserable. And then there are those that found what works for them, keep doing it and look and feel healthy, effortless.

I think the probability of a fake good girl to fool me is the same as being fooled by fake meat or plant-based milk. I learned to read the labels. ;)
 

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Your responses are boring.
Why is it that anytime someone challenges your thoughts you resort to the same type of replies to invalidate that person?

Why even reply if that's all you have?
 

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Your responses are boring.
A boring response to complain about boredom?

What can I tell you...lame inputs get you boring outputs?

Why is it that anytime someone challenges your thoughts you resort to the same type of replies to invalidate that person?

Why even reply if that's all you have?
The fact is that it's not even his personal thoughts that we're challenging, I mean think about what he said.

He said that just because he SAW an old man in a suit with a young girl in Dallas, it's not true that middle aged average man would fail cold approaching young hotties.

He could have be her dad.
 

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Why is it that anytime someone challenges your thoughts you resort to the same type of replies to invalidate that person?

Why even reply if that's all you have?
I only make those replies when reasoning fails and the person becomes childish. I'll do the same to you if you start it.
 

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I only make those replies when reasoning fails and the person becomes childish. I'll do the same to you if you start it.
Please do!
 

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I only make those replies when reasoning fails and the person becomes childish. I'll do the same to you if you start it.
"Old average men can hardly cold approach hot young women with success"

Enters Halye Baron: "thats not true cause in Dallas I saw a man in a suit with a young good looking woman".

From reasoning according to Haley Baron, sosuave pubblication circa 2022
 

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I've dated early twenties girls since entering my mid-thirties (and they were aware of my age). It can be done. Of course the relationships didn't last, because nothing lasts anymore.
 

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I’m not. I go to an Asian massage parlors with happy endings and have paid for blow jobs a couple times. I wouldn’t penetrate a sex worker ..

I have no shame about it. It cost me the same as a date, yet saved me huge amounts of time.
Where?
 

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Charlie Sheen, Hugh Grant, Tiger Woods, Eliot Spitzer, Jerry Springer, Eddie Murphy, etc etc used high end escorts.

Granted some of these guys are in the top1% of the 1%.

I feel its stigmatised when a male whom a woman knows is somewhat attainable does it because she realises he now doesnt need her and wont provide for her.
Rich chads can do as they please because she knows they wont ever commit to her.
hugh grant when?
 

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The summer when I broke up with my girlfriend when I was 27, I nailed two hookers that summer. It was kind of a relief. Felt like an adult for one, got her out of my mind a little secondly, just honestly felt though like I was stepping a little into the dark side, and it felt good to be a little ominous.
 

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The summer when I broke up with my girlfriend when I was 27, I nailed two hookers that summer. It was kind of a relief. Felt like an adult for one, got her out of my mind a little secondly, just honestly felt though like I was stepping a little into the dark side, and it felt good to be a little ominous.
Can you elaborate further in why you would say that made you feel like an adult, in contrast to having a girlfriend? You did not approach this as a 14 year old teenager, nor as a 27 year old incel. Did it keep your ex-gf out of your mind after the encounter or did it just numb your feelings towards her for a while? What do you mean stepping into the dark side?

It's intereting that we found ourselves in similar circumstnaces when we used hookers. When I used one in 2014 it was when both my ex-wife and myself were divorcing each other. It was an "adult' experience with me (ie what you mean that it made you feel like an adult) and did numb my feelings towards my ex-wife because the intensity of it and ease in which it was accessed. However, I got a nasty hit from it. I didn't feel like I went a little into the dark side, but fell off a cliff into an ocean of darkness below full speed ahead and had a nervous break-down because of the level of the darkness involved. Maybe you have some shield on so you did not get the full onslaught of darkness from these types of nasty women. I guess each experience is difference.
 
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