Why are men shamed for using escorts/hookers? Isnt that the ultimate dread if a guy has used them?

[member160292]

Two chicks at the same time was everything I imagined it would be. Every man should try it at least once in their lifetime

 

[EyeBRollin]

I can see both yours and his points. For the right amount, she'll be submissive in that time frame. Maybe an extra 20 dollars opens the submissive door to something that would be denied. At the same time.... I'd rather have the free submission of a lower value woman than the bought for submission time frame of an escort. The submission is dollar based not desire based for the escort.

All women cost resources. What you save on money you pay for in time. How much time will it take you to bang an HB8?

 

[pipeman84]

Here's my perspective on this subject:
Back in the day, quality woman over certain age equaled married woman which equaled virginity. There were exceptions such as widows, those engaged, and probably others I can't think of now. So for a man to go to a hooker was understandably something to be ashamed of....either he wasn't valuable enough to secure a wife or he was a POS cheating on his wife with what was basically the failures of the womanhood so to speak.

Nowadays there are women seen as empowered and independent who have the notch counts of the hookers back in the day. And there are guys dumb enough to wife them up and even knock them up. There are women who have casual sex with strangers off the street or off an app after 2-3 dates. Rinse and repeat.

Or women who jump from one STR to another. In this environment, I can't see the difference between getting with a hooker or with any of these type of women. I think getting with a hooker is more honest and with close to 0% risk of getting the headaches, heartaches and all kinds of other aches a man is liable to get by being involved with modern hoes. This forum alone is witness to what I'm saying...I haven't yet seen a thread about a guy suffering from heartache because of an escort, but there are plenty about what started as no strings attached sex, fwb, 'girlfriends' etc and soon developed into the guy having his head messed up by a modern hoe.

I've seen the argument made that the hooker doesn't love you, she's fvcking just for money etc...c'mon man, you think a woman you got off an app and who fvcks with you after 3rd date knows what love is? She fvcks with you because she's realized what a great guy you are after just 3 dates? You conveniently forget about the other 5 guys before you (in the current calendar year) who thought the same thing. No, she has sex with you because she herself is fvcked up in the head, because she needs attention/validation whatever.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Why cant you call? I have the working names, background, date, time, location, etc... and you cant recall the number? Wow. That does not say much about that.

Isn’t that against your religion?

 

[HaleyBaron]

I haven't yet seen a thread about a guy suffering from heartache because of an escort

You're ignoring the thousands to millions of examples in the real world of men becoming in love with their escorts/ hookers. Captain Save a Ho is a normal thing.

 

[pipeman84]

You're ignoring the thousands to millions of examples in the real world of men becoming in love with their escorts/ hookers. Captain Save a Ho is a normal thing.

There's no helping for some men, that's why I said risk is close to 0% not 0%. It's way way smaller than with modern hoes for these 2 reasons: 1. the deal is upfront with an escort whereas with a modern hoe it's a game of pretense and acting and the guy gets lost in the role.
2. the exposure to 'poison' so to speak is of much shorter duration with escorts therefore the probability of getting ill is much lower.

 

[DonJuanjr]

I can't see the difference between getting with a hooker or with any of these type of women.

The difference is desire based submission vs. dollar based submission. The women who have sex with guys online after first meeting, are still filled with enough raw desire for the man to do so... Unlike the paid for escort..

 

[corrector]

Isn’t that against your religion?

Of course it is. I don't visit prostitutes today. That was 8 years ago, only twice. Had a debilitating after-effect where I lost a month, and had residuals the year afterwards. Everything is documented including the recovery back to normal.

 

[HaleyBaron]

There's no helping for some men, that's why I said risk is close to 0% not 0%. It's way way smaller than with modern hoes for these 2 reasons: 1. the deal is upfront with an escort whereas with a modern hoe it's a game of pretense and acting and the guy gets lost in the role.
2. the exposure to 'poison' so to speak is of much shorter duration with escorts therefore the probability of getting ill is much lower.

I do agree that the margin between normal women and hookers has decreased in difference. There's far more western women becoming wh*res than ever before.

I think we can agree that all women have the potential to be wh*res. Some men would claim that all women are wh*res just to get the obvious out of the way as they can become one eventually. And cheating wives has been a thing since the beginning of human civilization. The temptation is too good to pass up. So some people will go "Just get a hooker" to get to the endgame.

However, I am still a man. And my dignity and manhood asks me to stay away from hookers. The chase is what keeps me interested and my body rewards me more than an easy lay.

 

[EyeBRollin]

However, I am still a man. And my dignity and manhood asks me to stay away from hookers. The chase is what keeps me interested and my body rewards me more than an easy lay.

This isn’t an either or - hookers vs. “normal” women. I don’t think anyone would advise men to just only visit escorts. Hookers provide a service- immediate sexual access and submission that some guys desire in that moment.

Also, discretion is a big reason why celebrities and high powered men utilize escorts. They cant just fvck random women that don’t come with references.

 

[patb]

I support the legalization of prostitution, with the explicit aim of reducing the bargaining power of women. I often like the idea of using escorts (never actually have). In practice, though, I don't think I'd like it. When I visited SEA, my interest in buying sex evaporated, probably exactly because I knew it was within easy reach. It's the the ability to get sex on demand that counts, not the actual act so much.

 

[Dr.Suave]

Wasnt it Charlie Sheen who said something like "I dont pay h00kers for sex, I pay them to leave" ?

 

[pipeman84]

The difference is desire based submission vs. dollar based submission. The women who have sex with guys online after first meeting, are still filled with enough raw desire for the man to do so... Unlike the paid for escort..

That's a devalued desire...value is given by the scarcity and the awareness that she desires you for your unique qualities. As she's had plenty of c0cks, you're just one of the bunch and since she's practically having sex with a stranger, what's there to be proud about? You're just a dyck to her that happened to match that day...if you had been offline, she would've matched with a different one.

 

[Slowhandluke]

I support the legalization of prostitution, with the explicit aim of reducing the bargaining power of women. I often like the idea of using escorts (never actually have). In practice, though, I don't think I'd like it. When I visited SEA, my interest in buying sex evaporated, probably exactly because I knew it was within easy reach. It's the the ability to get sex on demand that counts, not the actual act so much.

Traditionally there have always been prostitutes.. even when the average women were more "traditional" and more virginal. In the 1950's, 1960's etc.. prostitution was more "underground" but people implicitly allowed it even the women.

IIRC, in Desi Arnaz's autobiography, he stated that for the typical Latin boy, a boys first experience with sex was with a prostitute. He included. I think his dad gave him a ride and tacitly approved it.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Wasnt it Charlie Sheen who said something like "I dont pay h00kers for sex, I pay them to leave" ?

Yes. The argument being it saves time and is more discreet. Pay a high end pro for a set length of time vs go through the process of sourcing, screening, and seducing an equal caliber (looks wise) woman.

The other caveat- I’ve heard don’t get hookers in Vegas. The risk of robbery is…. certain.

 

[DonJuanjr]

That's a devalued desire...value is given by the scarcity and the awareness that she desires you for your unique qualities. As she's had plenty of c0cks, you're just one of the bunch and since she's practically having sex with a stranger, what's there to be proud about? You're just a dyck to her that happened to match that day...if you had been offline, she would've matched with a different one.

This is implying that women have never rejected an online guy the she met from sex. I doubt this is true. Women have probably rejected just as many if not more men they met from dating sites, than actually slept with.

 

[HaleyBaron]

This isn’t an either or - hookers vs. “normal” women. I don’t think anyone would advise men to just only visit escorts. Hookers provide a service- immediate sexual access and submission that some guys desire in that moment.

Also, discretion is a big reason why celebrities and high powered men utilize escorts. They cant just fvck random women that don’t come with references.

Then those men are considered taking huge Ls for submitting to the easy option. Those aren't men, they're boys.

 

[pipeman84]

This is implying that women have never rejected an online guy the she met from sex. I doubt this is true. Women have probably rejected just as many if not more men they met from dating sites, than actually slept with.

Of course. Let me try make my point clearer:
One can't seriously believe the desire of a modern hoe off an app is truly for him as an unique man. Firstly because as I said, she doesn't actually know him. Secondly because the modern hoe has messed up her femininity and consequently her capacity of true desire/appreciation for a man. Just because she doesn't reject him like she did with others, I don't see it as proof of desire but as a manifestation of a 'good enough for now' feeling.

I can also argue that an escort can desire a guy for more than just his money: a fit guy who knows how to fvck is more desired by the escort compared to her fat clients with limp dycks.

 

[HaleyBaron]

n. Just because she doesn't reject him like she did with others, I don't see it as proof of desire

But it is a proof of desire. A woman is still sacrificing her time and giving a risk to hope that the man she is shacking up with is going to give her what she wants. And when he does, her desire becomes something money cannot buy. You should see how frustrated men are when the hookers they get never return that desire. They want the girl to like him and only him no matter the money, and yet she never does. Thus, Captain Save A Ho.

 

[pipeman84]

But it is a proof of desire. A woman is still sacrificing her time and giving a risk to hope that the man she is shacking up with is going to give her what she wants. And when he does, her desire becomes something money cannot buy. You should see how frustrated men are when the hookers they get never return that desire. They want the girl to like him and only him no matter the money, and yet she never does. Thus, Captain Save A Ho.

No not money, but time, mental, emotional energy...each can appreciate for himself which is more valuable.
I agree with you that there are plenty cases of very sad men out there, otherwise there would be no OnlyFans for instance.