Incoming Recession 2022/2023

[Pierce Manhammer]

Japanese General Isoroku Yamamoto in WW2 was supposed to have said, “I would never invade America, there is a gun behind every blade of grass.” This was a serious consideration of the Soviets as well years later.

“an armed society is a polite society” - Heinlien

You cannot have the 1st without the 2nd, it gives it teeth.

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There are few things on the battlefield as powerful as a skilled fireteam that knows to put steel on target and scoot.

 

[jaygreenb]

Others lie to themselves to make themselves feel comfortable

You cool with me referencing this post in a few months or so Jay?

I mean, we just had an election blatantly stolen

And tech, which is where all of those jobs are that you mention, is nowhere listed on Maslow's Hierarchy, last time I checked...

One easy solution is to reduce the workweek with all of the impending automation, however that might deprive you of relative status...

Sure, feel free to reference it. I am not saying there are not hard times ahead or there isn't going to be massive turmoil. My point it is, put yourself in the best position to ride it out. I agree there is massive corruption in all of power structures in political, media, finance. etc. We have a number of long term cycles converging right now. Decide what side of society you want to be on and take action. There is also a lot opportunity when markets become dislocated. I do not think its futile for 99.99% of people

You think 50% of the population is just going to wither away and die? Tribalism/gangs are going to skyrocket.... Get enough desperate people together, and they'll overtake warehouses of supplies...

I don't know about wither away and die, we will have to see how it plays out.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

stats can always be manipulated, from politifact:

“For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.”

Using per capita numbers and normalizing for other mismatches in data is always important.
The article above is bout all violent crime, not just just gun. The issue is violence not how it was carried out. A gun is a tool, like a ball peen hammer.

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

The debate over gun policy has inspired a blizzard of messages on social media, from both supporters and opponents of gu

www.politifact.com

“An armed society is a polite society”

UK murder rate from homicide 35 times lower
U.K. murder rate 1/5th of the USA
all categories of violent crime other than sexual assault lower in US (fractionally in terms of SA) and petty crime slightly higher.

it doesn’t stack up if you get into stats, but slogans are fine I guess.

United Kingdom vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Intentional homicide rate, Total crimes, Crime levels, Murder rate per million people, Murder rate and 62 More Interesting Facts and Stats

www.nationmaster.com

Just notice on last years date The us gun homicides rate is 669 times UK.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Not particularly you and your countrymen have been so emasculated for so long it would be like talking to a wall.

The Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (gee let’s call ourselves Windsors, the kids will love it!) tribe has you over a barrel.

Don’t worry if your shores are threatened again we’ll spend our lifeblood defending you as we have more than once. Americans keep their promises. And your antecedents didn’t seem to have an issue when those savage, gun toting Americans came to Europe to save your collective arses.

My bestie is a limey from the Lake District, at least up there men are vaguely still able to be men.

FBI categories

In the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.

this is a far narrower definition than uk

care to address the murder rate?

 

[jaygreenb]

Guns are also important to protect us from our own government too. Will make them think twice before doing something that happened in Australia.

 

[jaygreenb]

I read that the real Crocodile Dundee went down in a blaze of glory by refusing to surrender his firearms.... That's the American spirit...

lol imagine you are trolling but if true good for him

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I still like to use this analogy:

“I can kill more people in a public setting with a ballpeen hammer than an Ak-47. Imagine walking into a warehouse store like Home Depot here in the US (big box warehouse style department store). Walk to. The tool area and grab a heavy ball peen or framers clawed hammer. Walk down the aisles quietly and brain everyone you see. Before anyone notices or hears anything you’ve killed 20-30 folks. Drop the hammer and go out the front door. You can’t do this with an ak-47. Guns are tools, they are no more inherently evil than a tape measure.”

 

[jaygreenb]

'Real' Crocodile Dundee Dies

Model For Movie Killed In Shootout With Police

www.cbsnews.com

I don't troll....

wow! I did not know that

 

[jaygreenb]

According to cbs the motive wasn't known, as he attacked neighbors or something.. I don't remember where I read it that it was due to resisting gun confiscation... CBS isn't really the beacon of honest reporting...

Yeah, i skimmed it. Looks they were responding to theft and assaults' but who knows

 

[Bingo-Player]

There is a growing subset of companies, institutions and stock market insiders that are saying the recession fears are being way overblown and that we will see a slow down but likely not a recession.

Recession Fears Overblown: Morningstar Investment Conference

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LOL

So you think they are telling you the truth because these entities always have the consumer and general publics interest at heart don't they

they COULDN'T possibly be telling you to look over here whilst actually moving in a different direction

COME ON

FVck me hasn't the scamdemic taught you lot anything

 

[BackInTheGame78]

LOL

So you think they are telling you the truth because these entities always have the consumer and general publics interest at heart don't they

they COULDN'T possibly be telling you to look over here whilst actually moving in a different direction

COME ON

FVck me hasn't the scamdemic taught you lot anything

There are plenty still saying the market is going to crash so I'm not sure what your point is. It can't be both, so one group will be wrong.

You are so obsessed at turning everything into some conspiracy theory or how someone is trying to fvck you you can't even think straight. Must be a really sh!tty way to live life.

Your negativity must be like a fvcking anchor to anyone who has to actually spend time with around you.

Thank God I'm not one of them. I'd run not walk away.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I still like to use this analogy:

“I can kill more people in a public setting with a ballpeen hammer than an Ak-47. Imagine walking into a warehouse store like Home Depot here in the US (big box warehouse style department store). Walk to. The tool area and grab a heavy ball peen or framers clawed hammer. Walk down the aisles quietly and brain everyone you see. Before anyone notices or hears anything you’ve killed 20-30 folks. Drop the hammer and go out the front door. You can’t do this with an ak-47. Guns are tools, they are no more inherently evil than a tape measure.”

Assuredly you wouldn't because after one or two people you'd be tackled to the ground by other people who witnessed what you did.

These fantasy land situations people come up with to convince themselves in their own mind that guns aren't the problem don't ever play out, but the ones where people take weapons designed to kill other people(per a retired army general who says ian AR 15 is a military weapon and anyone claiming otherwise is full of crap or just using semantics) play out ad nauseum over and over again and people are seemingly cool with kids being killed.

I am starting to think it's a mental illness in this country with gun cult or gun obsession. Or an addiction like an addiction to meth or heroin or crack. Gun junkies that will do anything to get their fix...even sacrifice kids.

 

[jaygreenb]

There is some merit to that, but this would be borne out by disarmed publics worldwide in countries where there was prohibition being ruled by tyrannical dictators. This clearly isn’t the case. It might be the case in some future scenario.

As I’ve said, the US has its own unique position and is in a position where it isn’t able to turn back.

it’s fine if Americans believe gun ownership is a part of their unique culture and feel safer owning a weapon.

it’s purely notions that gun ownership makes a society safer, more polite or whatever, it doesn’t make sense and isn’t backed by stats.

this is why you tend to get quite angry responses, people tend to defend irrational beliefs strongly, especially when there’s national pride at stake, and Americans generally have excessive national pride

It's a complicated issue with not a one size fits all solution. With where society is I would never give up my guns for multiple reasons. Even if banned, criminals would have them and it is too entrenched in society. I think the govt aspect is a huge piece of it too

 

[jaygreenb]

Assuredly you wouldn't because after one or two people you'd be tackled to the ground by other people who witnessed what you did.

These fantasy land situations people come up with to convince themselves in their own mind that guns aren't the problem don't ever play out, but the ones where people take weapons designed to kill other people(per a retired army general who says ian AR 15 is a military weapon and anyone claiming otherwise is full of crap or just using semantics) play out ad nauseum over and over again and people are seemingly cool with kids being killed.

I am starting to think it's a mental illness in this country with gun cult or gun obsession. Or an addiction like an addiction to meth or heroin or crack. Gun junkies that will do anything to get their fix...even sacrifice kids.

While I have no objections with stricter controls or whatever on assaults' rifles. Simply banning them would not save all kids. It is not zero sum. You can also buy after market illegal parts to make even a handgun spray bullets. Its called a switch. Point is, these mentally ill people would still do this crap. You can make a lot of stuff with 3D printers now too

 

[BackInTheGame78]

There is some merit to that, but this would be borne out by disarmed publics worldwide in countries where there was prohibition being ruled by tyrannical dictators. This clearly isn’t the case. It might be the case in some future scenario.

As I’ve said, the US has its own unique position and is in a position where it isn’t able to turn back.

it’s fine if Americans believe gun ownership is a part of their unique culture and feel safer owning a weapon.

it’s purely notions that gun ownership makes a society safer, more polite or whatever, it doesn’t make sense and isn’t backed by stats.

this is why you tend to get quite angry responses, people tend to defend irrational beliefs strongly, especially when there’s national pride at stake, and Americans generally have excessive national pride

The problem is people look at the 2nd amendment and think it gives them the right to bear ANY arms. It doesn't. Firstly, it gives them the right as a well organized militia. Which means they should be forced to participate in regular militia like activities like training, combat, etc like militia used to do.

It's hilarious how they seemingly choose to ignore the parts they don't like or want to do but focus solely on the part they want...the right to bear arms.

Well, that doesn't give you free reign to bear ANY arms. They can and should ban any military style weapon like the AR-15 rifles that have no purpose other than killing large numbers of people. I have yet to see a proponent for these guns give a single valid use case other than what I just stated.

A retired army general said anyone claiming these aren't military weapons is full of crap or using semantics because they are used in identical fashion to how they use their M4s or M16s. The fact they don't have certain settings on them doesn't matter because they don't use them in that way in the military 95% of the time and use them the same way the civilian versions are setup.

People literally are obsessed with this notion that someone is going to take over the country if they don't have AR 15s or similar weapons but simply looking at other countries that have banned them shows this hasn't played out at all. What has played out is they don't have mass shootings anymore.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

AK47s are tools are designed to kill or injure people.

A tape measure is a tool for measuring distances.

thanks

The logic of your statement doesn’t hold. I can kill you with a tape measure trust me. Again a tool if you were overfor a meal and I put my kimber cdp II pro, unloaded, slider back on the table would you urinate on yourself? I’d say yea. How about a ballpeen hammer? Do you own or have ever shot a firearm? I guess not. Have you ever been a victim of gun violence?

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Disagree wholeheartedly, a piece of machined steel is not inherently evil. My 9” zwilling Henkels kitchen knife is more deadly then the bayonet I was issued in the army. I have not fired a firearm in years - it’s simply to expensive to do nowadays - my weapons are secured, but available should I ever need to resort to violence to defend myself or loved ones.

Should we outlaw kitchen knives? Machetes? I mean wow you can kill with them, right? Suffer the little children.

The first thing the Nazis did in Europe was confiscate weapons from civilians-it’s what tyrannical governments do.

Assuredly you wouldn't because after one or two people you'd be tackled to the ground by other people who witnessed what you did.

These fantasy land situations people come up with to convince themselves in their own mind that guns aren't the problem don't ever play out, but the ones where people take weapons designed to kill other people(per a retired army general who says ian AR 15 is a military weapon and anyone claiming otherwise is full of crap or just using semantics) play out ad nauseum over and over again and people are seemingly cool with kids being killed.

I am starting to think it's a mental illness in this country with gun cult or gun obsession. Or an addiction like an addiction to meth or heroin or crack. Gun junkies that will do anything to get their fix...even sacrifice kids.

 

[jaygreenb]

The problem is people look at the 2nd amendment and think it gives them the right to bear ANY arms. It doesn't. Firstly, it gives them the right as a well organized militia. Which means they should be forced to participate in regular militia like activities like training, combat, etc like militia used to do.

It's hilarious how they seemingly choose to ignore the parts they don't like or want to do but focus solely on the part they want...the right to bear arms.

Well, that doesn't give you free reign to bear ANY arms. They can and should ban any military style weapon like the AR-15 rifles that have no purpose other than killing large numbers of people. I have yet to see a proponent for these guns give a single valid use case other than what I just stated.

A retired army general said anyone claiming these aren't military weapons is full of crap or using semantics because they are used in identical fashion to how they use their M4s or M16s. The fact they don't have certain settings on them doesn't matter because they don't use them in that way in the military 95% of the time and use them the same way the civilian versions are setup.

People literally are obsessed with this notion that someone is going to take over the country if they don't have AR 15s or similar weapons but simply looking at other countries that have banned them shows this hasn't played out at all. What has played out is they don't have mass shootings anymore.

To stop mass shootings you would have to ban ALL guns. Even then, not sure it would end it either. There are too many guns in this country already and if illegal they would still get in here. While I have I don't have issues with banning all out assault rifles, its disingenuous to act like it solves the issue. With out addressing the mental health and societal aspect, that doesn't solve the problem

 

[BackInTheGame78]

The logic of your statement doesn’t hold. I can kill you with a tape measure trust me. Again a tool if you were overfor a meal and I put my kimber cdp II pro, unloaded, slider back on the table would you urinate on yourself? I’d say yea. How about a ballpeen hammer? Do you own or have ever shot a firearm? I guess not. Have you ever been a victim of gun violence?

You can kill someone with virtually anything but how confident are you going to feel walking into a school with a hammer versus a gun? Let's be real. No 18 year old scrawny incel is walking into a school with a hammer trying to kill people...

He goes there with a military style weapon and body armor because it makes him feel God-like and makes other people fear him.

Nobody is running away from that dude with a hammer...they are running towards him to take it out of his hands and use it on him.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I don’t need a pistol grip or flash suppressor to kill you with a long arm I can kill you just as easily with a mossberg 500 bird gun or a m1a, neither would be banned or is. Again platitudes.

The problem is people look at the 2nd amendment and think it gives them the right to bear ANY arms. It doesn't. Firstly, it gives them the right as a well organized militia. Which means they should be forced to participate in regular militia like activities like training, combat, etc like militia used to do.

It's hilarious how they seemingly choose to ignore the parts they don't like or want to do but focus solely on the part they want...the right to bear arms.

Well, that doesn't give you free reign to bear ANY arms. They can and should ban any military style weapon like the AR-15 rifles that have no purpose other than killing large numbers of people. I have yet to see a proponent for these guns give a single valid use case other than what I just stated.

A retired army general said anyone claiming these aren't military weapons is full of crap or using semantics because they are used in identical fashion to how they use their M4s or M16s. The fact they don't have certain settings on them doesn't matter because they don't use them in that way in the military 95% of the time and use them the same way the civilian versions are setup.

People literally are obsessed with this notion that someone is going to take over the country if they don't have AR 15s or similar weapons but simply looking at other countries that have banned them shows this hasn't played out at all. What has played out is they don't have mass shootings anymore.