Incoming Recession 2022/2023

[Fruitbat]

Considering, aside from explosives, Americans can possess all the calibers those warring cartels in Mexico possess. Not just 9mm. You're reductive reasoning is what's fantasy.

Who cares about calibres?

when you’ve seen your neighbours skinned alive and had their hearts cut out, I don’t think you’re going to be going for a last stand against a paramilitary organisation.

Unless you and Bob down the road watch a load, and I mean a load, of YouTube videos on self defence and get your tactical gear on.

All 2A seems to have achieved in the US is a murder rate 5X the rest of the developed world, a gun homicide rate approximately 35x the rest of the developed world, whilst having the largest per capita prison population, among the longest sentencing and demonstrably the most powerful and forceful police force and state agencies of all of the Western Hemisphere.

its failed in both terms of protecting the individual from tyranny and protecting individuals from violence. Yet, the answer seems to be “we need MORE guns”

Like the religious, people will defend beliefs in the face of overwhelming evidence . I’ve had this debate multiple times, and I’ve never had anything except anecdotal evidence, and selective evidence. Or just general nonsense like “yeah but what about all the knife crime and terrorism”, again, statistically none of this bears out. Or “London has a higher rate of violence than New York for 3 years out of 10”Cherry picking.

I do believe Americans need to keep their guns because disarming is impossible. However, you have to be a special kind of stupid to believe it’s a better system than the one the rest of the demonstrably more peaceful developed world have adopted.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

For the record, gun ownership is basically outlawed in Mexico, I haven’t checked recently but there is basically one place to buy firearms I. Mexico legally and it’s in Mexico City.

Gun control at its finest!

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have them…

For once we agree.

Recessions aren’t the end of the world. They are 2 consecutive quarters of contraction.

people go on about the GFC but I remember the 80s, double the unemployment, shops everywhere closed. It was nowhere near as bad in 2008. This went on a long time in the 80s.

every single time we get “buy guns and precious metals” and it’s never happened.

If you need a gun, you’re already in big trouble. Look at lawless states like Mexico. The biggest and most violent groups win, and your 9mm and a boarded up window won’t do anything.

2A advocates live in a fantasy world. One of grave danger and fear.

Those of us who are older know recessions and inflation well and it’s not the end of the world.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Japanese General Isoroku Yamamoto in WW2 was supposed to have said, “I would never invade America, there is a gun behind every blade of grass.” This was a serious consideration of the Soviets as well years later.

“an armed society is a polite society” - Heinlien

You cannot have the 1st without the 2nd, it gives it teeth.

If you’re an American in the US I highly suggest you attend an Appleseed Clinic:

Programs | Project Appleseed

appleseedinfo.org

There are few things on the battlefield as powerful as a skilled fireteam that knows to put steel on target and scoot.

 

[Fruitbat]

Japanese General Isoroku Yamamoto in WW2 was supposed to have said, “I would never invade America, there is a gun behind every blade of grass.” This was a serious consideration of the Soviets as well years later.

“an armed society is a polite society” - Heinlien

You cannot have the 1st without the 2nd, it gives it teeth.

If you’re an American in the US I highly suggest you attend an Appleseed Clinic:

Programs | Project Appleseed

appleseedinfo.org

There are few things on the battlefield as powerful as a skilled fireteam that knows to put steel on target and scoot.

“An armed society is a polite society”

UK murder rate from homicide 35 times lower
U.K. murder rate 1/5th of the USA
all categories of violent crime other than sexual assault lower in US (fractionally in terms of SA) and petty crime slightly higher.

it doesn’t stack up if you get into stats, but slogans are fine I guess.

United Kingdom vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Intentional homicide rate, Total crimes, Crime levels, Murder rate per million people, Murder rate and 62 More Interesting Facts and Stats

www.nationmaster.com

Just notice on last years date The us gun homicides rate is 669 times UK.

 

[jaygreenb]

Others lie to themselves to make themselves feel comfortable

You cool with me referencing this post in a few months or so Jay?

I mean, we just had an election blatantly stolen

And tech, which is where all of those jobs are that you mention, is nowhere listed on Maslow's Hierarchy, last time I checked...

One easy solution is to reduce the workweek with all of the impending automation, however that might deprive you of relative status...

Sure, feel free to reference it. I am not saying there are not hard times ahead or there isn't going to be massive turmoil. My point it is, put yourself in the best position to ride it out. I agree there is massive corruption in all of power structures in political, media, finance. etc. We have a number of long term cycles converging right now. Decide what side of society you want to be on and take action. There is also a lot opportunity when markets become dislocated. I do not think its futile for 99.99% of people

You think 50% of the population is just going to wither away and die? Tribalism/gangs are going to skyrocket.... Get enough desperate people together, and they'll overtake warehouses of supplies...

I don't know about wither away and die, we will have to see how it plays out.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

stats can always be manipulated, from politifact:

“For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.”

Using per capita numbers and normalizing for other mismatches in data is always important.
The article above is bout all violent crime, not just just gun. The issue is violence not how it was carried out. A gun is a tool, like a ball peen hammer.

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

The debate over gun policy has inspired a blizzard of messages on social media, from both supporters and opponents of gu

www.politifact.com

“An armed society is a polite society”

UK murder rate from homicide 35 times lower
U.K. murder rate 1/5th of the USA
all categories of violent crime other than sexual assault lower in US (fractionally in terms of SA) and petty crime slightly higher.

it doesn’t stack up if you get into stats, but slogans are fine I guess.

United Kingdom vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Intentional homicide rate, Total crimes, Crime levels, Murder rate per million people, Murder rate and 62 More Interesting Facts and Stats

www.nationmaster.com

Just notice on last years date The us gun homicides rate is 669 times UK.

 

[Fruitbat]

stats can always be manipulated, from politifact:

“For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.”

Using per capita numbers and normalizing for other mismatches in data is always important.
The article above is bout all violent crime, not just just gun. The issue is violence not how it was carried out. A gun is a tool, like a ball peen hammer.

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Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

The debate over gun policy has inspired a blizzard of messages on social media, from both supporters and opponents of gu

www.politifact.com

FBI categories

In the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.

this is a far narrower definition than uk

care to address the murder rate?

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Not particularly you and your countrymen have been so emasculated for so long it would be like talking to a wall.

The Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (gee let’s call ourselves Windsors, the kids will love it!) tribe has you over a barrel.

Don’t worry if your shores are threatened again we’ll spend our lifeblood defending you as we have more than once. Americans keep their promises. And your antecedents didn’t seem to have an issue when those savage, gun toting Americans came to Europe to save your collective arses.

My bestie is a limey from the Lake District, at least up there men are vaguely still able to be men.

FBI categories

In the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.

this is a far narrower definition than uk

care to address the murder rate?

 

[jaygreenb]

Guns are also important to protect us from our own government too. Will make them think twice before doing something that happened in Australia.

 

[jaygreenb]

I read that the real Crocodile Dundee went down in a blaze of glory by refusing to surrender his firearms.... That's the American spirit...

lol imagine you are trolling but if true good for him

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I still like to use this analogy:

“I can kill more people in a public setting with a ballpeen hammer than an Ak-47. Imagine walking into a warehouse store like Home Depot here in the US (big box warehouse style department store). Walk to. The tool area and grab a heavy ball peen or framers clawed hammer. Walk down the aisles quietly and brain everyone you see. Before anyone notices or hears anything you’ve killed 20-30 folks. Drop the hammer and go out the front door. You can’t do this with an ak-47. Guns are tools, they are no more inherently evil than a tape measure.”

 

[jaygreenb]

'Real' Crocodile Dundee Dies

Model For Movie Killed In Shootout With Police

www.cbsnews.com

I don't troll....

wow! I did not know that

 

[jaygreenb]

According to cbs the motive wasn't known, as he attacked neighbors or something.. I don't remember where I read it that it was due to resisting gun confiscation... CBS isn't really the beacon of honest reporting...

Yeah, i skimmed it. Looks they were responding to theft and assaults' but who knows

 

[Bingo-Player]

There is a growing subset of companies, institutions and stock market insiders that are saying the recession fears are being way overblown and that we will see a slow down but likely not a recession.

Recession Fears Overblown: Morningstar Investment Conference

FamilyWealthReport - Exclusive Intelligence for the family office community

www.familywealthreport.com

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LOL

So you think they are telling you the truth because these entities always have the consumer and general publics interest at heart don't they

they COULDN'T possibly be telling you to look over here whilst actually moving in a different direction

COME ON

FVck me hasn't the scamdemic taught you lot anything

 

[Fruitbat]

I don't know.... I think I'd rather get killed by a gun toting gang banger here in America than a machete toting "refugee" on your side of the pond... Death by firearms sounds better than death by machete....

Stabbingin U.K. 285 in 2018 (latest data I could find)

Knife crime: Fatal stabbings at highest level since records began in 1946

The biggest increase in knife crime victims is among young men and boys, official figures show.

www.bbc.co.uk

The US has roughly 4.95 times the pop of U.K. (320/65M)

US murder by stabbing 1,739 in 2020.

Homicides by murder weapon in the U.S. 2023 | Statista

Handguns are by far the most common murder weapon used in the United States, accounting for 7,159 homicides in 2023.

www.statista.com

285 X 4.95 = 1,403.

If anything, you’re slightly more likely to suffer a fatal stabbing in the US.

 

[Fruitbat]

I still like to use this analogy:

“I can kill more people in a public setting with a ballpeen hammer than an Ak-47. Imagine walking into a warehouse store like Home Depot here in the US (big box warehouse style department store). Walk to. The tool area and grab a heavy ball peen or framers clawed hammer. Walk down the aisles quietly and brain everyone you see. Before anyone notices or hears anything you’ve killed 20-30 folks. Drop the hammer and go out the front door. You can’t do this with an ak-47. Guns are tools, they are no more inherently evil than a tape measure.”

AK47s are tools are designed to kill or injure people.

A tape measure is a tool for measuring distances.

thanks

 

[Fruitbat]

Not particularly you and your countrymen have been so emasculated for so long it would be like talking to a wall.

The Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (gee let’s call ourselves Windsors, the kids will love it!) tribe has you over a barrel.

Don’t worry if your shores are threatened again we’ll spend our lifeblood defending you as we have more than once. Americans keep their promises. And your antecedents didn’t seem to have an issue when those savage, gun toting Americans came to Europe to save your collective arses.

My bestie is a limey from the Lake District, at least up there men are vaguely still able to be men.

Im not interested in any of that, and I won’t rise to it. We are debating the merits of firearm ownership.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

LOL

So you think they are telling you the truth because these entities always have the consumer and general publics interest at heart don't they

they COULDN'T possibly be telling you to look over here whilst actually moving in a different direction

COME ON

FVck me hasn't the scamdemic taught you lot anything

There are plenty still saying the market is going to crash so I'm not sure what your point is. It can't be both, so one group will be wrong.

You are so obsessed at turning everything into some conspiracy theory or how someone is trying to fvck you you can't even think straight. Must be a really sh!tty way to live life.

Your negativity must be like a fvcking anchor to anyone who has to actually spend time with around you.

Thank God I'm not one of them. I'd run not walk away.

 

[Fruitbat]

Guns are also important to protect us from our own government too. Will make them think twice before doing something that happened in Australia.

There is some merit to that, but this would be borne out by disarmed publics worldwide in countries where there was prohibition being ruled by tyrannical dictators. This clearly isn’t the case. It might be the case in some future scenario.

As I’ve said, the US has its own unique position and is in a position where it isn’t able to turn back.

it’s fine if Americans believe gun ownership is a part of their unique culture and feel safer owning a weapon.

it’s purely notions that gun ownership makes a society safer, more polite or whatever, it doesn’t make sense and isn’t backed by stats.

this is why you tend to get quite angry responses, people tend to defend irrational beliefs strongly, especially when there’s national pride at stake, and Americans generally have excessive national pride

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I still like to use this analogy:

“I can kill more people in a public setting with a ballpeen hammer than an Ak-47. Imagine walking into a warehouse store like Home Depot here in the US (big box warehouse style department store). Walk to. The tool area and grab a heavy ball peen or framers clawed hammer. Walk down the aisles quietly and brain everyone you see. Before anyone notices or hears anything you’ve killed 20-30 folks. Drop the hammer and go out the front door. You can’t do this with an ak-47. Guns are tools, they are no more inherently evil than a tape measure.”

Assuredly you wouldn't because after one or two people you'd be tackled to the ground by other people who witnessed what you did.

These fantasy land situations people come up with to convince themselves in their own mind that guns aren't the problem don't ever play out, but the ones where people take weapons designed to kill other people(per a retired army general who says ian AR 15 is a military weapon and anyone claiming otherwise is full of crap or just using semantics) play out ad nauseum over and over again and people are seemingly cool with kids being killed.

I am starting to think it's a mental illness in this country with gun cult or gun obsession. Or an addiction like an addiction to meth or heroin or crack. Gun junkies that will do anything to get their fix...even sacrifice kids.