Why are men shamed for using escorts/hookers? Isnt that the ultimate dread if a guy has used them?

[corrector]

And as you have experienced, your soul contaminated and emptied by the experience.

But you cant experience the positive without a negative experiemce like that. Now I really enjoy my sanity on a level not before that experience! Even feeling bad is better than losing your mind.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

Not true at all unless it's a man who has no other options except prostitutes.

There is no such thing as "no options". There is always options, even for the ugly guys.

Using that argument is just an excuse for not being accountable and taking action thus choosing the easy path of least resistance...

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Bathsheba was innocent. She was basically raped by King David. You can't say a woman is beautiful, a man plots to sleep with her and murder her husband, and then blame the woman for that.

Samson's married an enemy woman/ Philistine, and he disobeyed God's laws rather than marry another Israelite. The message is not about Delilah being treacherous, but about Sampson putting himself in a bad situation that wasn't necessary. It's not a general issue about women.

By the way, I personally would not be rooting for either David or Sampson. Both of them have no issues finding any woman. David had many different wives and didn't have to go with Bathsheba like that. God spared His life because He was genuinely repentant for what he did and sorry for what he did. Sampson also had limitless physical strength and could get with any woman he wanted to. He didn't settle for Delilah because of a lack of options. He had plenty of options but chose to be stupid by dealing with that woman and then sharing his secrets to her.

However, go on...what other examples do you have? Remember, in the Bible context, you didn't have feminism or matriarchy, so the man is more responsible for the choices that he is making and the outcomes that flow from that.

She would go up to the rooftop when she knew King David was looking. There are quite a few other betrayal stories in the book. I also agree that man is responsible for his choices even in todays world.

 

[corrector]

She would go up to the rooftop when she knew King David was looking. There are quite a few other betrayal stories in the book. I also agree that man is responsible for his choices even in todays world.

That detail was not in the bible. Women bathed on the top of the roof. That is how they set up their homes.

 

[corrector]

Most men are not celebrities with more money than they can possibly spend, not comparable.

That is true, but to be the devil's advocate, @Visionist and @Who Dares Win seem like normal guys that get women and they pay for it as well. At least they are not putting up negative threads out there.

 

[Who Dares Win]

That is true, but to be the devil's advocate, @Visionist and @Who Dares Win seem like normal guys that get women and they pay for it as well. At least they are not putting up negative threads out there.

I can get women in their 30s for both relationships and bedroom fun while it takes effort and commitment to get girls in their late 20s...I'm out from the early 20s market now (less than optimal hairline its a deal breaker there).

I've been through a desert at high school but then got back in track in my 20s and banged late teens and early 20s girls till my late 20s so got all the validation I needed not to have a grudge on me like many men my age.

Right now Im simply a realist, there are moments and places where I want to have a girl in my life while others I'm just going out of the gym after leg day and want to release asap with less commitment as possible, thats when escorts come in.

Also the more horny you are, the more your negotiating power in the relationship decrease, they can sense and urge as much as genuine indifference.

Try tell a girl honestly (you really have to be sincere not faking it) that you're not in the mood to bang her that day and maybe you will do it next time...thats basically a trojan in her deepest intimacy.

 

[corrector]

I've been through a desert at high school but then got back in track in my 20s and banged late teens and early 20s girls till my late 20s so got all the validation I needed not to have a grudge on me like many men my age.

Almost everybody you know IRL are incels?

 

[Who Dares Win]

Almost everybody you know IRL are incels?

Uhm nope, why such question?

I would say most are in relationships with women more or the less in their league if above 30 or either dating or sexting girls slightly below their smv.

But again it depends on which country, my russian friends are all with women hotter than them while the opposite is true for the spanish ones.

The problem many men have is that due to hypergamy they failed to have fun in the fun part of life...they begged for intimacy in their 20s but girls that age were too busy getting railed from local chads.

 

[Epicwinguy]

Exactly. The average woman think a lay is worth four, possibly even five figures. High end escorts only run $300-$500. Women are delusional.

I’ve seen ads for $1000

 

[corrector]

I’ve seen ads for $1000

Yeah if they are 18 years old.

 

[cola]

You are literally the one of the loudest faux alphas on this board and you just admitted you pay for play….Golden

You pay for it no matter what, directly or indirectly. Dates, gas, clothing for dates, time which is arguably more valuable than money. What’s the difference? If you are in a drought, why not pay for it? Because of the stigma? It’s only societal programming that makes you feel it’s so “taboo” to just fork over some cash to bust a nut. Like it or not young man, prostitution is the oldest profession known to mankind and some of the most alpha men in the world partake in it. Don’t believe me? Look at Jeffrey Epstein’s flight logs.
Picture Vladimir Putin cold approaching a b*tch in Walmart. Is that likely? Or more likely he has a mistress who he pays well to make him c*m and be quiet.

As far as your fake alpha claim, if you can get within two hours of driving from Maryland I’ll gladly meet you in person, go for a drink and then you can judge if I’m “alpha” or not based on something besides Internet forum posts.

 

[2Rocky]

So why aren't the top RP guys making cash by being Male escorts? Honestly?

I'm willing to bet there is a subset of women so jaded from the volume of screwed up guys that they would cut through the BS and pay for a guy when and where they want him...No Feelings, no Fuss, .

 

[SW15]

So why aren't the top RP guys making cash by being Male escorts? Honestly?

I'm willing to bet there is a subset of women so jaded from the volume of screwed up guys that they would cut through the BS and pay for a guy when and where they want him...No Feelings, no Fuss, .

No woman under 50 needs a male escort. Women under 50 can have sex on demand.

 

[2Rocky]

No woman under 50 needs a male escort. Women under 50 can have sex on demand.

you are missing the point.... when Charlie Sheen was being sentenced for using a prostitute, the judge asked him why a man like him would have to pay for sex. And Sheen reportedly replied: “I don’t pay them for sex. I pay them to leave.”

 

[YourGreatestFear]

You pay for it no matter what, directly or indirectly. Dates, gas, clothing for dates, time which is arguably more valuable than money. What’s the difference? If you are in a drought, why not pay for it? Because of the stigma? It’s only societal programming that makes you feel it’s so “taboo” to just fork over some cash to bust a nut. Like it or not young man, prostitution is the oldest profession known to mankind and some of the most alpha men in the world partake in it. Don’t believe me? Look at Jeffrey Epstein’s flight logs.
Picture Vladimir Putin cold approaching a b*tch in Walmart. Is that likely? Or more likely he has a mistress who he pays well to make him c*m and be quiet.

As far as your fake alpha claim, if you can get within two hours of driving from Maryland I’ll gladly meet you in person, go for a drink and then you can judge if I’m “alpha” or not based on something besides Internet forum posts.

There's a big difference between f*cking a hot woman who wants you and begs you to f*ck her silly and sex with a woman who just tolerates you because you've paid her for it. Also, I think this alpha bullsh*t should stop, people don't understand the meaning of this word. Our primal instincts don't consider Putin, Bill Gates, or Elon Musk alpha, the same goes for women. Women don't want Gats and Musk, this is exactly why rich influential men pay for sex. And also the illegality of sleeping with 14-16-year-olds. For a typical woman, a cool guy with a well-proportioned body covered in tattoos is more desirable than Musk or Putin. Our ancestors 100k years ago couldn't become a president or have a personal jet.

The best sex is with a woman who wants you and who cums over and over again from being f*cked or eaten out. Passionate emotional sex is pretty much impossible with a hooker, and many of them even lose the ability to get excited from their clients at some point and use lubricants, instead. It's waaaay more psychologically pleasing to approach a random girl on the street and then f*ck her silly a couple of hours later, knowing that you are the best man she ever was with in her life.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Thinking about it. It makes sense in a way that women will shame them since it removes their only power over men. Once men know the price of pvssy most women will be afraid. Therefore they shame men from using them etc.
If a woman knows a guy has used them, she is in constant dread. Thinking if she withholds sex he can just buy sex.

For a variety of reasons, some more legitimate than others, society has long defined prostitution as something shameful. It is going to be difficult to shake off that reputation. Even in parts of the world where views on prostition are more liberal (i.e Europe), there is still a major stigma associated with it. Basically, in Europe they see it as an evil that will never go away and therefore should be regulated rather than banned, not as something that is socially acceptable.

The fact that many prostitutes and their clients fit traditional stereotypes (i.e. women being drug addicts or sex-trafficked slaves and johns being losers married to unattractive wives) certainly does not help things. In an idea world, visiting a prostitute would be no big deal and no different than getting a massage or a haircut. But I doubt that would ever happen.

 

[zinc4]

There's a big difference between f*cking a hot woman who wants you and begs you to f*ck her silly and sex with a woman who just tolerates you because you've paid her for it. Also, I think this alpha bullsh*t should stop, people don't understand the meaning of this word. Our primal instincts don't consider Putin, Bill Gates, or Elon Musk alpha, the same goes for women. Women don't want Gats and Musk, this is exactly why rich influential men pay for sex. And also the illegality of sleeping with 14-16-year-olds. For a typical woman, a cool guy with a well-proportioned body covered in tattoos is more desirable than Musk or Putin. Our ancestors 100k years ago couldn't become a president or have a personal jet.

The best sex is with a woman who wants you and who cums over and over again from being f*cked or eaten out. Passionate emotional sex is pretty much impossible with a hooker, and many of them even lose the ability to get excited from their clients at some point and use lubricants, instead. It's waaaay more psychologically pleasing to approach a random girl on the street and then f*ck her silly a couple of hours later, knowing that you are the best man she ever was with in her life.

Sounds like you place a little too much emoasis on the women's feelings and how much she us into you. I could care less about any of that as long as she gives me what i want in good fashion. Most women are experts at faking stuff anyways. Could care less what they think of me.

I have had plenty of great experiences with pris. Sometimes its nice to just not waste time and order it like fast food. The rush of hooking up with a non pro at a bar or club is nice but the older you get its not worth the time effort and drinking that is involved. I still do it though. But if if my plates have ran dry or im just tired of them, i might just prefer a simple quite night with some new company ill get a pro.

Hookers can't fulfill you manly desire for accomplishing, conquering, overcoming obstacles. What's the honor or pride for ****ing a escort? It's the same as comparing someone who was born in a rich family, and another guy that was a homeless ass and became a millionaire. The value of the man comes from his accomplishments - which means how many walls he can breaks, how many goals he reached, how much he did for himself.

***** has no value. It's totally up to how much you want it and how far you're willing to go to get it. Not every man has the preparation and the will to keep on the hard path to get the best (and that's what most people get wrong, it's not about doing more for her to like you, but about doing more for YOURSELF so you'll become even more magnetic and people will naturally come to you).

Success always depend on previous preparation. If men become manly enough to focus on their way and give their gift to their world and their women, when they know how to act masculine to keep her in her feminine (because women adapt to their men, not the other way around), when they know their value and base their life on fulfilling his own goals, but not forgetting to be his woman's stronghold at the same time, always centered, someone she and and anyone else can trust.

This would be an ideal world, but sadly what we see is men acting most time weak (not only because of them, but because they've been taught to act this way), women stepping over them, using sex as a currency to get what she wants, as a reward for his "good boy" behaviour. The weak behaviour of men gives space for women to get a bitchy behaviour.

If you're a man of valor, she'll naturally want to be yours, and you'll naturally want to penetrate her (if you feel the same for her). Sex is not a currency.

This line of thinking is disney and blue pilled asf.

Stop placing ***** on a pedestal alright. If you consider slaying women as a great achievement then you have already lost. Ironically, history's greatest conquerors have a well documented past of using pros and having their own concubines even from ancient China to Rome.

In my experience, the only people shaming men from using them tend to be very sexually inexperienced/virgins, SJWs blue pills in general and feminists.

The real value of ***** ain't **** and that's exactly what women dont want you to know.

 

[eli77]

I think if you're a celebrity is a little bit different the blowback is very severe.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Hookers are just an expensive way to masturbate. You get nothing out of it other than the smell of cigarettes on your clothes and paranoia.

 

[corrector]

Hookers are just an expensive way to masturbate. You get nothing out of it other than the smell of cigarettes on your clothes and paranoia.

Elaborate more on paranoia.