Why appearance is irrelevant and game is easy

[ChrizZ]

Lol that was funny!


But while it was saying looks matter the better looking guy had easily the better inner game. Look at his body language, confidence etc. The makers of the video over looked that little mistake which once again proves how important inner game is.

Yes, but the only way to get real confidence is to look good and have money and have success.

If you fail, you lose confidence.

If you succeed you become more and more confident. That's how "naturals" are made. From early on when they are still a little kid they have success with women and then get better and better while the other guy gets rejected, feels pain and stays away from women ending up as a lonely loser.

 

[FairShake]

Isn't part of the whole pickup mindset looking good? Getting fashionable clothes, working out and being fit, basic grooming? If so, even they recognize your looks have to be servicable and they are the ultimate believers in game.

I've seen ugly guys do very well. But these ugly guys usually at least TRIED to look good with haircuts and clothes. Gotta make an effort gentlemen.

 

[slaog]

Yes, but the only way to get real confidence is to look good and have money and have success.

Thats not how it works. It's all about how you see things. What your beliefs are. There are plenty of good looking people who are unconfident and the opposite is also true.


-If you are good looking and believe that looks matter then that will give you confidence.
-If you are not good looking but believe looks don't matter then you won't feel bad about your looks.
(other factors will decide how confident a person really is)

Isn't part of the whole pickup mindset looking good? Getting fashionable clothes, working out and being fit, basic grooming? If so, even they recognize your looks have to be servicable and they are the ultimate believers in game.

I've seen ugly guys do very well. But these ugly guys usually at least TRIED to look good with haircuts and clothes. Gotta make an effort gentlemen.

Yes, if you make an effort it tells women that you look after yourself. You have pride in your apperance. If you are overweight it says something too.


Sometimes if a person does not take care of himself and is rejected by a woman people will say it's because he is ugly. Really it's because of a lack of pride in his apperance.


You can see it with women. I often hear men calling some women ugly and others beautiful but when I look closer at their physical features then the so called ugly woman would be naturally more beautiful alot of the time if she made an effort in her apperance eg lose weight etc.

 

[darwinian_sympathiser]

1. I think you're probably a troll.
2. If you're as good looking as you claim you can't relate to what I eman anyway as you've already had it really easy.

Really, really stuid f.uckin post man. Ironically if Darwin was here I'm 99% sure he would agree wit me as what I'm advocating DOES appeal to the woman's natural self, going beyong the BS that most ppl think matter(cosmetics -which you rate so highly)

Seriously man I can tell by your writing style and complete lack of comprehension that you don't have the faintest clue what I'm on about.

1. I'm not a troll. I actually turn my brain off when I'm on these boards since I know that 99.99% of the posts will be by deluded people like yourself, which makes reading them painfully tedious, but it gives me a good lesson in how the majority of people seem to want to think and why people are easily persuaded in believing in something even though it's patently false.
2. Good looking people have it easy? Well to a certain extent, yes. We have things available to us that are not available to the average guy. While the average guy buys into "looks aren't important" business and reads books, goes on courses in how to seduce women, attend seminars and listen to idiots like yourself (all this totally thousands of hours and maybe thousands of pages of total utter rubbish being pontificated), people like me and potato will go about our regular routine, doing nothing in particular, not bothering to think about the crap that you over analyse about, and STILL get the odd cute woman here and there smiling, giggling or occasionally rubbing against us by "accident". Get the picture?

Somewhere in cyberspace is another site that mirrors this. This site has it in reverse. On that site are women talking about how to seduce a man and how looks are not important. There is a female version of you, L777, who thinks she can get someone like potato even though she's not particularly good looking. Do you get this picture that I paint?

Ironically if Darwin was here I'm 99% sure he would agree wit me as what I'm advocating DOES appeal to the woman's natural self.

you know nothing about Darwin, let alone anything that he was trying to say. So called "gurus" have twisted recent advances in the Darwinian theory to give credibility to their views and as a way to give hope or plausibility to something that cannot ultimately be changed.

As an example of your flawed logic let me say that there are many qualities of a women that appeal to men that have nothing to do with their looks: sweetness of disposition, deportment, how they carry themselves, their manners, their intelligence etc. . . . but then why on this site are most posters concerned in getting hot women (9 or 10s)? There are many females in the general population who can make great partners or lovers for us if we can get pass their physical unattractiveness - but we can't. That's just the blunt truth.

You are trying to solve a problem that can't ultimately be solved since it's not really a problem at all, it's just the nature of things. If it could be solves - or so you claim - what would be the consequences of it be? Think about that logically and you'll see that it would be absurd.

In the end, everyone gets what they're worth, not what they think they're worth.

 

[L777]

misposted

 

[slaog]

darwinian_sypathiser you cannot say what L777 wrote is deluded etc.


But wait, maybe you want to believe that because it doesn't fit into the way you see things... thats why you seem so bothered.

L777, you're forgetting there are men out there who are REPULSIVE to women.

Think fat, bald, short with mustard stains on their shirts.

And the bad thing is, most of those men go on online sites like these to learn to pick up women. Nothing they ever try works because women are grossed out at the sight of sleeping with them.

Nothing will happen until they clean themselves up and get a makeover.

As I've already said, women like men to make an effort and take a bit of pride in their apperance. A naturally good looking guy who becomes overweight and turns into a slob will be repulsive to women too.

 

[Metaphysical]

L777, you're forgetting there are men out there who are REPULSIVE to women.

Think fat, bald, short with mustard stains on their shirts.

And the bad thing is, most of those men go on online sites like these to learn to pick up women. Nothing they ever try works because women are grossed out at the sight of sleeping with them.

Nothing will happen until they clean themselves up and get a makeover.

 

[eatgel]

well said darwinian

 

[L777]

I've tried to address the recent posts comprehensively here.

1. I'm not a troll. I actually turn my brain off when I'm on these boards since I know that 99.99% of the posts will be by deluded people like yourself, which makes reading them painfully tedious, but it gives me a good lesson in how the majority of people seem to want to think and why people are easily persuaded in believing in something even though it's patently false.
2. Good looking people have it easy? Well to a certain extent, yes. We have things available to us that are not available to the average guy. While the average guy buys into "looks aren't important" business and reads books, goes on courses in how to seduce women, attend seminars and listen to idiots like yourself (all this totally thousands of hours and maybe thousands of pages of total utter rubbish being pontificated), people like me and potato will go about our regular routine, doing nothing in particular, not bothering to think about the crap that you over analyse about, and STILL get the odd cute woman here and there smiling, giggling or occasionally rubbing against us by "accident". Get the picture?

Somewhere in cyberspace is another site that mirrors this. This site has it in reverse. On that site are women talking about how to seduce a man and how looks are not important. There is a female version of you, L777, who thinks she can get someone like potato even though she's not particularly good looking. Do you get this picture that I paint?



you know nothing about Darwin, let alone anything that he was trying to say. So called "gurus" have twisted recent advances in the Darwinian theory to give credibility to their views and as a way to give hope or plausibility to something that cannot ultimately be changed.

As an example of your flawed logic let me say that there are many qualities of a women that appeal to men that have nothing to do with their looks: sweetness of disposition, deportment, how they carry themselves, their manners, their intelligence etc. . . . but then why on this site are most posters concerned in getting hot women (9 or 10s)? There are many females in the general population who can make great partners or lovers for us if we can get pass their physical unattractiveness - but we can't. That's just the blunt truth.

You are trying to solve a problem that can't ultimately be solved since it's not really a problem at all, it's just the nature of things. If it could be solves - or so you claim - what would be the consequences of it be? Think about that logically and you'll see that it would be absurd.

In the end, everyone gets what they're worth, not what they think they're worth.

If what you are saying is true, and its all down to appearance and nothing you do can get around this fact, then what are you doing on this website? Obviously you didn't have it quite as easy as you claim or why would you have come here in the first place?

BUT This isn't actually the case, I have actual concrete proof of this as I've already explained. I am maybe an 8 in appearance, yet have slept with several (as in, well into double figures) 9s and 10s.... straight away, your universal theory applicable to everyone on earth (or so you imply) crumbles into dust. For further proof see my 'hippy friend' example...the best natural I've ever seen.

And the point about the other, equivelant female site is ludicrous and really made me consider if I should even bother replying to you - anyone with a triple figure IQ can see why: If you think women and men put same the importance on appearance then you are seriously, seriously deluded. Men are far more concerned with appearance than women, this is painfully obvious. AND even with this in mind, men will STILL sleep with a moderately attractive girl, as long as she passes his minimum standard...to be a CK model you probably do need a fantastic bone structure - but that ain't what we're concerned with now is it?

I think its really easy for everyone (who doesn't get laid as much as they want) to jump to the 'looks dictate everything' conclusion. If YOU were being completely honest, I am sure you would admit you don't get laid as much as you wanted....I know I don't (but I do better than most). And here's why - ugly/average guys can BLAME their lack of success on their appearance...when its really things such as lack of effort and commitment than hold them back. Good looking guys can COMFORT themselves that they are attractive to women, and everytime they get some attention of some sort based solely on their appearance (like the things you mentioned - I get them too sometimes ) they get a little ego boost and feel good about themselves for a while....but still only get laid rarely.

Then there are ppl (like myself) who are ugly, average, good looking and everything in between, but they maximise their attractiveness, put the effort in, have the masculinity that girls can become addicted and too and obsessed with, and create the oppurtunities for sex, whilst not letting their ego harm them on the few times they do get rejected. These guys get laid the most and feel good about themselves.....ever wonder why the best PUAs aren't model-looking? Ever seen pics of Juggler, Gunwitch, Style, Mystery etc?

You won't convince me of your way of thinking because I know its wrong. For you and your reality, it may be the order of things....but if you were willing to try the things I suggest you really would have your eyes opened. The 'matrix' that the community often talks about - whilst being an utterly lame phrase and one which I hesitate to use - is most certainly real. You are attractive and have had success that way? - this just means you are at the top of the pile amongst the guys still 'plugged in' so to speak. I don't know what else to tell you...but the 'secret society' of guys that 'get it' is real and accessible to all.....its just that most won't take the steps to get to that stage. I know how I personally want to live - what you choose to believe is up to you, I don't really care.

Metaphysical I agree with you 100%. Thats why I advocate doing th best with what you have....i'e be at least ACCEPTABLY attractive.....just like you need a girl to be *not embarassingly unattractive* to sleep with her...so a woman will f.uck you if you pass the minimum standard.

PS. I have a degree in Biology believe me I know about Darwin.

 

[Socialreject]

hey L777

Well said i think...

I'd say have a goal... I always have the goal of getting laid, at the same time, I don't really care if 'this' girl fulfills my goal or not, and it's far easier to turn a lay into a gf than it is to turn a gf into a lay.

 

[darwinian_sympathiser]

I've tried to address the recent posts comprehensively here.

If what you are saying is true, and its all down to appearance and nothing you do can get around this fact, then what are you doing on this website? Obviously you didn't have it quite as easy as you claim or why would you have come here in the first place?

I did NOT say "its all down to appearance". That's your miss understanding. Read Potato's posts to get what he and I are trying to say to you.

I came here trying to get over someone, not trying to get all the HB10s and trying to get "game" that will improve me getting HB10s.

Looks are an essential part, and maybe a major part. Buts that's where things get clouded. If you aren't physically appealing to someone they don't want anything to do with you - regardless of "game".

BUT This isn't actually the case, I have actual concrete proof of this as I've already explained. I am maybe an 8 in appearance, yet have slept with several (as in, well into double figures) 9s and 10s.... straight away, your universal theory applicable to everyone on earth (or so you imply) crumbles into dust. For further proof see my 'hippy friend' example...the best natural I've ever seen.

I do not need to know how many females you've slept with. Nor do I actually care. That you need to mention it just tells me your insecurity.

I doubt your "hippy" friend is as he claims, reason being is that people talk and the reality is usually different. That's why me and Potato are laughing at you, because you don't have a clue and all you have is talk.

I serious doubt they are as attractive as you mention, because seriously attractive women are very picky and choosy over who they get with. The only exceptions would be, as Potato mentions, if they have drugs problems or mental problems. A devastatingly beautiful woman can literally bang anyone she wants - but will always go for a "quality" man and a certain "type" that she likes.

And the point about the other, equivelant female site is ludicrous and really made me consider if I should even bother replying to you - anyone with a triple figure IQ can see why: If you think women and men put same the importance on appearance then you are seriously, seriously deluded. Men are far more concerned with appearance than women, this is painfully obvious. AND even with this in mind, men will STILL sleep with a moderately attractive girl, as long as she passes his minimum standard...to be a CK model you probably do need a fantastic bone structure - but that ain't what we're concerned with now is it?

I never said they put the same importance on looks. There are women who will trade their looks for status and money in a man etc . . . What I'm trying to say is that, all things being equal, a better looking man will always stand a better chance of getting than someone who isn't. People don't want to hear that, because then we can't go and write courses and seminars to sell and con ignorant people out of their hard earned money. And then we can't brainwash fools who will believe in this crap as well to further perpetuate the view.

I think its really easy for everyone (who doesn't get laid as much as they want) to jump to the 'looks dictate everything' conclusion. If YOU were being completely honest, I am sure you would admit you don't get laid as much as you wanted....I know I don't (but I do better than most). And here's why - ugly/average guys can BLAME their lack of success on their appearance...when its really things such as lack of effort and commitment than hold them back. Good looking guys can COMFORT themselves that they are attractive to women, and everytime they get some attention of some sort based solely on their appearance (like the things you mentioned - I get them too sometimes ) they get a little ego boost and feel good about themselves for a while....but still only get laid rarely.

Men who go after quality don't need to get laid that much, but could if they wanted to. That's the difference. Sad deluded idiots like you put a major emphasis on getting laid as if it were some kind of trophy to show off to people - that's really, really sad. Potato gave a devastating retort to you in another thread, so I won't repeat it here.

Then there are ppl (like myself) who are ugly, average, good looking and everything in between, but they maximise their attractiveness, put the effort in, have the masculinity that girls can become addicted and too and obsessed with, and create the oppurtunities for sex, whilst not letting their ego harm them on the few times they do get rejected. These guys get laid the most and feel good about themselves.....ever wonder why the best PUAs aren't model-looking? Ever seen pics of Juggler, Gunwitch, Style, Mystery etc?

PUA are successful? Where? What they do is to market themselves and say they are successful. Where's the actual success, you tell me? Let's see if any of them can get Kate Bosworth off her present boyfriend, or get Angelina Jolie off Brad Pitt, or get Potato's girlfriend off him. Let's see that happen if they are so amazing and have amazing "game". The truth is that these PUA know total f*ck all, they are all nut jobs trying to capitalise on shoddy concepts to sell their wares to unsuspecting ignorant individuals who can't be bother to think for themselves for once in their lives. They do not really understand the nature of relationships, they just think they do. They are good marketeers, and the fact that you (someone who claims he has a degree in biology), never, ever, bothered to test or find ways to verify their claims independently and in a controlled impartial manners tells me very much about your intelligence.

And again, the emphasis on getting laid, where's it coming from. It's almost as if you guys see it as a race, who f*cks the most wins - sad, sad and SAD.

You won't convince me of your way of thinking because I know its wrong. For you and your reality, it may be the order of things....but if you were willing to try the things I suggest you really would have your eyes opened. The 'matrix' that the community often talks about - whilst being an utterly lame phrase and one which I hesitate to use - is most certainly real. You are attractive and have had success that way? - this just means you are at the top of the pile amongst the guys still 'plugged in' so to speak. I don't know what else to tell you...but the 'secret society' of guys that 'get it' is real and accessible to all.....its just that most won't take the steps to get to that stage. I know how I personally want to live - what you choose to believe is up to you, I don't really care.

There is no "seduction" community. There are just clueless individuals who can't get laid, or have trouble with women and think that there is a magic ticket to getting ANYONE they want. That's the core of this site and the reason why this thread is here. Because the essential logical dependence is on the statement that "looks don't matter" which leads to "I can get Cindy Crawford if I want to as long as I know what to do" that PUA wants to put into the heads of their followers. Same kind of ridiculous cult programming that we have all around the world.

There is no "me and my reality". As I said in another thread, there is only ONE reality, and that's the one we are ALL existing in right now. We all just have different ways of "interpreting" this reality. Some of us, sadly, doctor the data and put it forward as evidence for a view that is totally out of line with what's really going on.

Metaphysical I agree with you 100%. Thats why I advocate doing th best with what you have....i'e be at least ACCEPTABLY attractive.....just like you need a girl to be *not embarassingly unattractive* to sleep with her...so a woman will f.uck you if you pass the minimum standard.

PS. I have a degree in Biology believe me I know about Darwin.

You can't be a scientist because proper scientists are sceptical and they NEVER believe things at face value, a scientist would not have the stance that you have shown. There is no evidence that the PUAs are as successful as they claim, and on further examination you'll find out that they are nuts jobs. Also, isn't it funny that they are never really seen with really hot women, and the body language seems to suggest that the women were paid to be there as a stand in?

There's a need to perpetuate all the cr*p about a seduction community since it serves commercial purposes for those it benefits. It gives comfort to all those sad pathetic losers out there who just couldn't bother to think for themselves. If the seduction community is right in what it preaches (whatever that may be), then people like Potato would be worried and insecure about losing his girlfriend to one of these guys who's learnt all the latest techniques etc. . . and so would other men as well who have hot girlfriends. But they are not, they are all laughing at you because you're pathetic and sad and don't get the nature of how relationships are formed and sustained and maintained. . .

 

[L777]

I did NOT say "its all down to appearance". That's your miss understanding. Read Potato's posts to get what he and I are trying to say to you.

I came here trying to get over someone, not trying to get all the HB10s and trying to get "game" that will improve me getting HB10s.

Looks are an essential part, and maybe a major part. Buts that's where things get clouded. If you aren't physically appealing to someone they don't want anything to do with you - regardless of "game".



I do not need to know how many females you've slept with. Nor do I actually care. That you need to mention it just tells me your insecurity.

I doubt your "hippy" friend is as he claims, reason being is that people talk and the reality is usually different. That's why me and Potato are laughing at you, because you don't have a clue and all you have is talk.

I serious doubt they are as attractive as you mention, because seriously attractive women are very picky and choosy over who they get with. The only exceptions would be, as Potato mentions, if they have drugs problems or mental problems. A devastatingly beautiful woman can literally bang anyone she wants - but will always go for a "quality" man and a certain "type" that she likes.



I never said they put the same importance on looks. There are women who will trade their looks for status and money in a man etc . . . What I'm trying to say is that, all things being equal, a better looking man will always stand a better chance of getting than someone who isn't. People don't want to hear that, because then we can't go and write courses and seminars to sell and con ignorant people out of their hard earned money. And then we can't brainwash fools who will believe in this crap as well to further perpetuate the view.



Men who go after quality don't need to get laid that much, but could if they wanted to. That's the difference. Sad deluded idiots like you put a major emphasis on getting laid as if it were some kind of trophy to show off to people - that's really, really sad. Potato gave a devastating retort to you in another thread, so I won't repeat it here.




PUA are successful? Where? What they do is to market themselves and say they are successful. Where's the actual success, you tell me? Let's see if any of them can get Kate Bosworth off her present boyfriend, or get Angelina Jolie off Brad Pitt, or get Potato's girlfriend off him. Let's see that happen if they are so amazing and have amazing "game". The truth is that these PUA know total f*ck all, they are all nut jobs trying to capitalise on shoddy concepts to sell their wares to unsuspecting ignorant individuals who can't be bother to think for themselves for once in their lives. They do not really understand the nature of relationships, they just think they do. They are good marketeers, and the fact that you (someone who claims he has a degree in biology), never, ever, bothered to test or find ways to verify their claims independently and in a controlled impartial manners tells me very much about your intelligence.

And again, the emphasis on getting laid, where's it coming from. It's almost as if you guys see it as a race, who f*cks the most wins - sad, sad and SAD.



There is no "seduction" community. There are just clueless individuals who can't get laid, or have trouble with women and think that there is a magic ticket to getting ANYONE they want. That's the core of this site and the reason why this thread is here. Because the essential logical dependence is on the statement that "looks don't matter" which leads to "I can get Cindy Crawford if I want to as long as I know what to do" that PUA wants to put into the heads of their followers. Same kind of ridiculous cult programming that we have all around the world.

There is no "me and my reality". As I said in another thread, there is only ONE reality, and that's the one we are ALL existing in right now. We all just have different ways of "interpreting" this reality. Some of us, sadly, doctor the data and put it forward as evidence for a view that is totally out of line with what's really going on.



You can't be a scientist because proper scientists are sceptical and they NEVER believe things at face value, a scientist would not have the stance that you have shown. There is no evidence that the PUAs are as successful as they claim, and on further examination you'll find out that they are nuts jobs. Also, isn't it funny that they are never really seen with really hot women, and the body language seems to suggest that the women were paid to be there as a stand in?

There's a need to perpetuate all the cr*p about a seduction community since it serves commercial purposes for those it benefits. It gives comfort to all those sad pathetic losers out there who just couldn't bother to think for themselves. If the seduction community is right in what it preaches (whatever that may be), then people like Potato would be worried and insecure about losing his girlfriend to one of these guys who's learnt all the latest techniques etc. . . and so would other men as well who have hot girlfriends. But they are not, they are all laughing at you because you're pathetic and sad and don't get the nature of how relationships are formed and sustained and maintained. . .

Lol...bitter much?

 

[stuffhappens]

Okay so I've never posted on this forum but I find this topic very interesting.

Darwinian, you're definately right in that a lot of the ideas brought before the readers are marketing driven. I respect that you've brought up darwin a lot in your arguements because it shows you're well read, so cudos to you.

Here's my view on this subject. I think that looks are important, but I don't think its essential to be good looking to pick up a girl you'll be happy with. I'll put it in a way that applies towards biology since you like to use scientific examples to support your claims. Along with physical appearence (being strong to defend the herd ect), comes power. And by power, I mean the one in the herd or tribe who makes the decisions on survival. You also have up there means to provide for the tribe. In general, females in other species want to be with males who they feel safe with, so for them it could be the leader of the pack, the strongest animal in the pack, or the one who is the best hunter and provides the most food.

Now in most other species of animals, if you are physically weak, you cannot be a good provider, and you cannot be a leader of a pack, or powerful. The way our species has evolved darwinian, you can be physically inferior to other homo sapiens, but still be a leader and a good provider. For example, if you work in a business field, not all of the most successful business people in the world are the strongest, tallest, and physically fit people. Sure, most CEO's are about 6ft tall, but there are plenty short balding men in business that make a lot of money in sales because they are good at what they do, and have confidence because they know they are good at what they do.

So, relating this back to women. As I said, the 3 factors of being attractive to females in other species are being a leader, good provider, and physically fit. If having confidence allows you to have a lot of money and a big home, you can become a good provider. If having confidence allows you to become a manager through promotions, all of the sudden you're a leader too.

So being confident helps in those two areas. Now how about a more social situation? In other words, you and you're buddies go out to the bar. If you're full of confidence because you're powerful or whatever the reason, your friends act accordingly, and females can tell who in a group of guys is the leader. When you're a leader and dominant, that is attractive to women. It doesn't mean that you're going to be able to get the hottest chick in the bar, but if you meet someone else who you're compatible with whats wrong with that? And finally, if you don't have confidence, and you really beat yourself up, if you see the girl who is smiling at you like some of you have mentioned, you won't approach her anyways because internally you don't think that you're good enough.

My point is in a nutshell is I think that if you aren't good looking, confidence is a way to compensate for you in the looks department through roundabout ways. So are looks essential? Not essential, but if you don't have looks you have go through a lot of internal changes in your life to compensate.

One last point to mention that goes more with what darwinian says however is I do think in general with any female you have to meet at least a couple of criteria she has. For example, if there's a girl who loves guys with facial hair, and you don't have any, then yeah something like that in the looks department will kill you. But at the same time guys have certain standards like that too. Also, there's no reason to not try and look your best. About a year ago I did some things to make myself look more stylish and I could see the difference automatically too. Thats not to say I'm good looking now, but I'm better looking than I was, and it didn't really take much effort at all.

 

[Metaphysical]

you folks need to understand that there's a balance in everything

if she doesnt find you attractive, no matter what you say, she isn't gonna buy it.

she needs to at least find you DECENT enough to want to sleep you.

let me ask you a question.

say a 400lb fat woman with more chins than a chineese phonebook comes up to you.. and she starts telling you how she has friends everywhere and how she is so cool and she buys designer clothes and what not...

it won't matter what she says to you, but you will still be grossed out to sleep with her.

now if she has MONEYYYY $$, then you might consider sleeping with her.

this is what women do out there too. when a nasty fat guy covered in acne will approach them, they are disgusted by him. but if he has money, a hot car and some other **** to make up for the lack of looks, they will go out with him and spend his money and act like they have a headache when it's time to have sex.

 

[trv26]

Lol that was funny!


But while it was saying looks matter the better looking guy had easily the better inner game. Look at his body language, confidence etc. The makers of the video over looked that little mistake which once again proves how important inner game is.

U think there might be a correlation? Good-looking guys seeing the response they get from women, ending up, more confident perhaps. Success effectively breeding more success.

 

[trv26]

Yes, but the only way to get real confidence is to look good and have money and have success.

If you fail, you lose confidence.

If you succeed you become more and more confident. That's how "naturals" are made. From early on when they are still a little kid they have success with women and then get better and better while the other guy gets rejected, feels pain and stays away from women ending up as a lonely loser.

Ok lets assume for a second that ur right, and confidence is built or destroyed as you dscribed.

The question then is, why does one guy keep suceeding while the other keeps failing? What does one have that makes him more attractive then the other? Think about it. I'll give u a hint....looks maybe. Or perhaps you might have a better answer.

 

[oakraiderz2]

Looks have A LOT to do with it. Attractive people can get away with a lot of stuff in all facets of life...so dont feed the people here with this bullsh*t.

 

[L777]

Looks have A LOT to do with it. Attractive people can get away with a lot of stuff in all facets of life...so dont feed the people here with this bullsh*t.

Please actually try to comprehend what I'm on about before you come up with drivel like this.

 

[Peterpack]

Think of it like this.

3 guys are studying Physics at college. The first guy is naturally good at Physics, he needs to study just 2 hours to get 90% in a test. The second guy is not quite as good as Physics, but not bad. He needs to study 5 hours to get 90% in a test. The third guy is quite weak at Physics. he needs to study 10 hours but he can still get 90% in a test if he does.

Thats how i see looks work in the PUA world. They play a part for sure. The more you have, potentially the less you have to study PUA, but it doesn't mean that ugly guys can't master the game and do just as well. It just may take a bit more effort on their part to get to the same level

I recently watched a lot of Keys to the VIP episodes. Some of those guys had none to little game but got by purely with their looks. Other guys not as good looking did as well if not better with proper game.

In summary, looks play a part but they are by no means the defining factor

 

[shaunuk]

You can't be a scientist because proper scientists are sceptical and they NEVER believe things at face value, a scientist would not have the stance that you have shown. There is no evidence that the PUAs are as successful as they claim, and on further examination you'll find out that they are nuts jobs. Also, isn't it funny that they are never really seen with really hot women, and the body language seems to suggest that the women were paid to be there as a stand in?

There's a need to perpetuate all the cr*p about a seduction community since it serves commercial purposes for those it benefits. It gives comfort to all those sad pathetic losers out there who just couldn't bother to think for themselves. If the seduction community is right in what it preaches (whatever that may be), then people like Potato would be worried and insecure about losing his girlfriend to one of these guys who's learnt all the latest techniques etc. . . and so would other men as well who have hot girlfriends. But they are not, they are all laughing at you because you're pathetic and sad and don't get the nature of how relationships are formed and sustained and maintained. . .

You're chatting balls. Why is L777 not a real scientist. Like a REAL scientist he has gone out and experimented, and he's posting his fvcking findings here. I know what he looks like, he's a good looking guy but he's not EXTRAORDINARILY good looking, yet he's ****ed girls hotter than himself and his "number" is high...So you've gone out and "experimented" as well and found that looks are basically the decider? Well perhaps it's YOU who's doing it wrong.