Why appearance is irrelevant and game is easy

[yungahdubz]

Carlsberg don't do trolls, but if they did...

L7, I don't know if this has been answered earlier as it is a pretty beasty thread, but how do you think this applies to younger girls?

I agree that you have at least be a "yes"; but do you think a girl will go for a good looking guy with okay game in comparison to an average looking guy with sick game?

 

[darwinian_sympathiser]

Hahaha he's just jealous 'cause we are getting laid by the women he wants to fvck whilst he reads about monkeys and the theory of evolution.

Never mind mate, I'm pretty sure there's some hot monkeys out there...

You know, there was a poster called LAWYER who got banned. And he was banned mainly because he knew what he was talking about and did not, in general, give advice. He just told how it is, just like me.

The truth sets you free, but first it makes you angry.

I feel sorry for the people in the PUA community, because they cheat themselves, and they cheat the people who they claim to be able to help feeding them with garbage that L777 here defends.

 

[L777]

L7, I don't know if this has been answered earlier as it is a pretty beasty thread, but how do you think this applies to younger girls?

I agree that you have at least be a "yes"; but do you think a girl will go for a good looking guy with okay game in comparison to an average looking guy with sick game?

Well it depends how good the game is. I believe there is a level where it becoms more than 'game'....which is what I'm aspiring to get to and what I think I've seen glimpses of.

I think this tops everything....money, status, looks, everything. The guy that got the most action in my high school was the guy that approached the most and had the most confidence, the guy that got laid second most did the second most approaches etc etc. Sure, the guys on the football team and rugby teams (I was one of them) got some ATTENTION, from girls....but I was a virgin all through high school....as were a lot of those guys. If I knew then what I did now, I probably could have gotten any girl in the school, due to the fact that few ppl had any game to speak of - it would have been like shooting fish in a barrel.

I think its like anything...the more you practise it, and the more experience you get, the better you become, even if you weren't originally good at whatever it is. A guy who starts off life a weakling at 150lb but bodybuilds his way up to 250lb is going to be stronger than everyone under 250lb and some over that weight due to fat...because this is the thing that he WORKED at being good at.

I will admit that a guy with really good looks, and a guy with average looks with this same level of game (the very top level that I talked about), if they were to go after the same woman at the same time then the better looking guy would have an advantage....but thats so unfeasibly unlikely....theres probably not 1 in every 10,000 guys that have this kind of game....so once you get there, you pretty much have your pick of females IMO. I know I've only ever met 3 guys like this in my life - none were that goodlooking, and none of them knew each other.

Its a question of desire, willingness to learn, commitment, determination and also humbleness....because you WILL get rejected along the way. But when your game evolves to the point where you can get laid at will w/o using crutches such as money/social proof etc....you won't care about the girls that were unlucky enough to reject you.

 

[Vice]

Approaching girls with the single-minded intention to sleep with them makes you incredibly attractive. No stupid, insincere opinion openers, no cube, entertaining them, no getting to know them as a person (this can come later), you approach with 100% conviction that you will sleep with her, and if she tells you to f.uck off (incredibly unlikely) then just leave. Only get a number if you absolutely can't have sex with her or at least an "insta-date" right there.

I love reading this kind of stuff. It slowly suffocates my inner wuss and lets my inner man come out more.

Gunwitch method teaches this kind of thing? I'll have to look into it if it's true.

 

[darwinian_sympathiser]

I love reading this kind of stuff. It slowly suffocates my inner wuss and lets my inner man come out more.

Gunwitch method teaches this kind of thing? I'll have to look into it if it's true.

Moron, total utter moron, just like L777.

Here's a man who knows talking:

Oh yea, like you’re hurting my feelings or something. You and L777 take this stuff way too seriously. Do you go to a comedy club and brood?

My response to the OP was 100% honest. There was no intention at all to impress - just to illustrate the misconception of the OP. If it bothers you, then that’s your problem, not mine.

I began posting on this site in response to Rollo and a few of his minions invading other sites with his long winded nonsense like they were going to somehow enlighten everyone. It’s not like it was difficult to trace it all back to here and to Rollo’s personal site.

I find it rather amusing that guys, who are so frustrated at their inability to attract women that they exhibit misogynist characteristics, think that by following a few guidelines, pick up a few tricks, they will transform into babe magnets is amusing beyond belief. David DeAngelo, Mystery, Rollo, and all the rest really don’t know nearly as much about women as they claim.

The whole claiming understanding of women from evolution/biology/psychology is BS pure and simple. They are little more than charlatans making money off of the unfortunate. I’ve seen a video of David DeAngelo giving one of his seminars. All I could think was that there was a reason that those men had such a hard time attracting women. It’s nature’s way of cleansing the gene pool. To think that any of those guys would one day be out getting what ever hot woman they wanted was enough to send me rolling on the ground laughing.

You must know that the whole PUA thing was developed to pick up women who are at bars/clubs, who are drinking and somewhat hoping that they’ll meet a guy.
The whole idea is to get them home and nail them before they sober up. Not exactly an honorable way to get women. Most flake, I’m sure, because they do sober up.

The whole Don Juan thing is also rather amusing. The original was a despicable character. He was a psychopath who deceived everyone around him; he essentially raped women, and even murdered a man. At the end of the story he was drug down to hell. And many of you want to be a Don Juan. I’m not impressed at all. Ironically, translated into English, Don Juan becomes Sir John, the name of the man who first devised a flushing toilet.

It may surprise some of you but the vast majority of couples come together in a way that absolutely ignores everything you’ll ever learn in Double Your Dating, the Mystery Method, Spinning plates, and every other, how to get women bit.

As is alluded to in the If You Don't Attract Beautiful Woman Something Is Very Very Wrong thread, what attracts women to men and men to women is something that really can’t be shown or even necessarily learnt. It’s like there is just something in the air that draws you together. It’s actually a chemical response that requires a back and forth action. In every case, with every girlfriend I’ve ever had, there was an initial attraction that was immediate and very mutual. Almost as if by magic, with every one of them we were/are highly compatible in a wide range of areas.

No game required, only the ability to exude and receive the appropriate chemicals.

And here on this thread we have an amazing retort to you, L777, here's taster of it:

So L777 tell me about your 19 conquests. I’ll bet they’re real quality women aren’t they. Nice loving relationships. I’m sure they bring you cookies, put the sweetest little love notes in your pockets after they wash your clothes. They’re always scurrying around all excited telling all their friends about the wonderful man they’ve found, hanging on your arm so proudly.

So let’s cut the crap, you had sex with same 19 drunken sluts that you picked up at the bar that every other guy that goes in there has sex with. Half of them want nothing more to do with you and the other half barely remember you. You’ll keep it up thinking that you’re the man until you hit about 26-27 and suddenly realize that you just can’t get the girls like you used to. You’ll be banging your head against the wall never quite realizing that the women are rejecting you because they’ve matured but you’re still playing video games, telling fart jokes with your buds, smashing beer cans against your forehead, and trying to pick up women with the same tired corny lines.

Then sometime in your early 30’s you’ll marry some woman and her two children from two different dead beat dads and you’ll be happy because, well, it sure beats jacking off every night. But it doesn’t matter because she just married you for your paycheck anyway and will soon tire of sex which will be okay by you because erectile dysfunction will have set in.

So, as your sitting there in your chair, sipping your beer, watching reruns with kids running around and your wife *****ing about the trash not being taken out. Possibly somewhere in your thoughts you’ll start to see that that guy potato was right. All that Don Juan/PUA stuff was a bunch of crap and that to strive to be a quality man of substance, to truly love women, and to develop and maintain lasting loving relationships with women is the better way to go. But probably not, you’ll just sit back and reminisce about those 19 drunken sluts you banged when you were 21.

It's stuff like that, L777, that makes you and all your supporters lose total utter credibility. You're a laughing stock.

 

[Duffdog]

I just reiterated what I said in the first post....it was ppl like you who turned it into a "LOOKS DON'T MATTER" kind of thing.

The thing about this not being real science and therfore '100% wrong' is so retarded, even you can't seriously profess to believe its true. If this were the case, then every single thing that every single person in the seduction community says has to be '100% wrong' because it wasn't verified in a labatory. Seriously mate, stop trying to sound more intelligent than you are, we can all be verbose and pompous...it does't mean what you say is right. And please stop with the scientific babble....I have a degree in Biology so none of this impresses me.....stop f.ucking typing about it on a forum that has nothing to do with science!!

And regardless of how goodlooking you think you are, I bet I know a few better....acting 'mentally retarded' like you say will not get you the 'blondest, hottest bitc.hes I can think of' (I prefer brunettes )...so I suspect some trolling on your behalf.

Lol....why am I even bothering to acknowledge a guy who calls women 'bit.ches' who is30?

I do sincerely believe that most of the stuff that comes out as "advice" is pure crap which serves to HARM others. Your original post first and foremost, otherwise I would not have replied at all. You may continue to insult me all you like, I will just wait until the truth comes out of you.

I wonder, you say you have been in the US before? Then, you must know that in certain social groups (elite) it is acceptable and common to refer to women as b1tches. Even to their face, which I do all the time. Have you never seen nor heard of this before? hmmmmm.... Something tells me you might be exaggerating your "conquests" just a tad bit.

 

[intrextrovert]

I gotta say guys, though all this is pretty true, keep yourselves in shape. Regardless of born looks, fat people are THE MOST discriminated against people. Think blacks or latinos got it bad? Nothing to the obese.

Besides that, exercise makes you feel good for the rest of the day, girls like the looks of a well muscled guy (no that doesn't mean huge, but defined, low bf %). And most of all, it's a huge ego boost to look good and know your body looks good. I wish I could walk around naked i'm so proud of myself when my abs are showing well (is on/off some days, most of the time they are tho cause of wrestling). Looking good is a self respect thing too, without women. Why look like a slob?

 

[slaog]

I do sincerely believe that most of the stuff that comes out as "advice" is pure crap which serves to HARM others.

Are you sure? L777 is giving people confidence instead of telling them don't bother trying? It's also common sense what he says. We can see the evidence all around us.

 

[shaunuk]

L777, stop replying to this thread, you're wasting your valuable time mate

 

[Duffdog]

Are you sure? L777 is giving people confidence instead of telling them don't bother trying? It's also common sense what he says. We can see the evidence all around us.

Confidence, if given, is worthless. It must come from within or its just fake. Also, telling someone to be confident when they have nothing to be confident about is very damaging. There are some very confident losers who will never amount to anything or get the girls they dream about. Those people need to change what they are and actually become what girls desire, simply thinking "I am confident" gets you nowhere.

 

[Dannyrt34]

Because you're a moron....

Thank you. You are very bitter, do you need a hug?

 

[ready123]

Yer but have you actually tried to become better socially, and better at talking to women before you flame the sh1t out of it. The PUA thing is garb, but the other side, the natural game side and self-improvement stuff. Man how comes I do have success when I am not hot if only looks matter? That's through warm approaching sure, but I mean it's still the same sort of thing, and I'm sure just because you cold approach, if you learn to be good enough it would not make a difference. (+ some cold approach successes I have had)

I don't understand how I would have had good looking women if only looks matter, I am average, so surely there must be more to it. I listened to all the RSD stuff and I found myself laughing in parts and nodding to myself because it related to me so much. When I am in state it comes easy.

But in NO way do I agree with the other side of PU, the "wear weird clothes you don't even like and use scripts and lines" side just to set things straight.

You should try natural game, unless you have success, in which case you obviously don't need to bother.

totally agree with this. I don't care much for Mystery or scripts or **** like that. but natural game is pretty much both psychology and social psychology being explored in further depth. you don't need to know it to hook up with women but it helps you understand how the world works, if you're interested

When it comes to the PUA community or gurus or whatever, the darwinian guy and potato have no clue what they're talking about

Yea you got gurus who are morons and trying to make a buck. almost every flavor of the week technique that gets popular (C&F, prizing, annhilation method, whatever) is something you might do naturally when you feel your best. a lot of gurus just identify one of these behaviors, blow it out of proportion, give it a name and make it look like a magic pill

On the other hand there are a lot of smart muthafvckas out that have spent the past few years trying to conceptualize and field test these esoteric facets of human nature. these gurus are worth learning from

I'll add some more things about looks
- So what if she makes a snap judgement on you based on your looks? the minute you open your mouth the dynamics start to change. Hooking up with a girl = socializing, not modeling
- You guys are treating looks like they're static. A good portion of what qualifies as physical looks are dynamic. Your clothes, your style, your non-verbals. These are all things ANY guy, even the ugly ones can control. Let's look at how much non-verbals affect your looks. If you're good looking, approach a ton of girls you don't know with a frown, your eyes to the floor, shtty posture, and whimper when you talk to her. You'll blow yourself out. Conversely, it's funny how much progress an average looking guy can make with just eye contact and a genuine smile.

 

[Paradox]

Another thread about "Looks VS Game"


We've gone over this topic again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again...


Thread closed.

Let's find something more constructive to discuss.