Why appearance is irrelevant and game is easy

[oakraiderz2]

Please actually try to comprehend what I'm on about before you come up with drivel like this.

I would but i dont feel your post is worth reading based on your title. Maybe ill go back and read it, or maybe ill do something thats actually worth my time.

 

[L777]

I would but i dont feel your post is worth reading based on your title. Maybe ill go back and read it, or maybe ill do something thats actually worth my time.

Lol your loss bud. Just try to approach it with an open mind if you do decide to trouble yourself with it, ey?

 

[Duffdog]

Again please refer to original post.

And Duffdog and ketostix....I am no way what you woul consider traditionally good-looking. I'm 6'1 and 175lb so kinda lanky...a largish nose and a smallish chin...I just do the best with what I have, style my hair well, dress nicely (not flash) etc. and have great body language and posture. i.e everything I can do to maximise my appearance I do...but I'm not particularly gifted genetically.

And as I also said much of this was based on observation of others....my hippy friend being the best example.

You can tell me I'm wrong all you want but I've seen it...girls are not these incredibly complex creatures from another planet that we make thm out to be....at the core of it, at their essence, they are just ppl that want sex, like us. They just realise the social stigma attached to that. When you communciate to them that you don't recognise this social stigma and will not judge them for acting on their natural instincts and agrressively create the oppurtunity for sex, they will respond powerfully to this because very few men do this and you are understanding them at a level which few other men do.

'Looks' really do become almost meaningless at this point. Like I said, be acceptable at least, and you're golden.

You have now betrayed yourself entirely with that last sentence. Thank you for admitting that you were 100% wrong and that looks do matter in every case all the time with no exceptions, ever.

"Be acceptable"....hmmm. Do you realize that you just shot yourself in the foot there? By giving an arbitrary benchmark of attractiveness that varies from person to person as your basis for judgment, you have now created a quantifiable excuse that anyone can use to rationalize why their methods didn't work or did work. If someone didn't get the girl, its not because their methods or speech wasn't up to snuff, its now because "they were slightly under the acceptable attractiveness level for that specific female" and all bets are off. So who is to say exactly what level of attractiveness is "acceptable"?

That is like me saying: "be a tall, rich, hot, confident white guy like me and you and I will go out and get any girl you want in the club" Well...DUH! Of course it would work, anything would work with us two dominating the entire club. I have pretended to be mentally challenged and still gone home with some of the blondest, hottest b1tches you can ever think of. But, you don't see me bragging about it to everyone. Why? Ill tell you why...because any observations I make as this tall alpha male are completely irrelevant because they do not apply to the average person. The same as your observations. You cannot be objective while simultaneously being the experimentee and the experimentor.

In true scientific fashion, you would have to use a control group to see if any of your hypotheses are plausible, then RE-experiment with your hypothesis to determine its effectiveness. Due to the nature of a group website that focuses on dynamic subject matter; i.e. females, it is impossible to accurately judge the effectiveness of any hypothesis without astoundingly large sample sizes. Since you both have no control group and a ridiculously small sample size, your conclusions all HAVE TO BE 100% WRONG. Even if they are right from a theoretical or a priori standpoint, they are unverifiable and therefore, useless.

What is happening, and part of the reason for all the dissent over this topic, is the generation of conclusions of a non-specific nature (getting females) by using a specific and scientifically available metric (physical visual attractiveness) to form conclusions which incorporate no science, a great deal of emotional involvement and no real evidence. I am sort of embarrassed to be involved in a "scientific" discussion with people who choose not to understand what science is.

I would like nothing more than to have an actual verifiable scientific report that is focused on the means and ways that normal males can attract females and how effective the different approaches are. Maybe we could throw in a section that details the advantages of certain physical characteristics between males and females. Then we could finally put this meaningless discussion to rest forever. I think it would be one of the best things to come out of any self-help website. I would even volunteer to do such a thing if there was enough interest.

 

[Squiggly Sponge]

Wolf, while I don't agree with the harshness of your comment I feel a little reality check is necessary. You cannot tell people with no legs that they can walk, that's deluded. But you can't tell them they will not be able to live a fulfilling life because it's possible. People just need to know their limits and act accordingly. Looks are a particular sore spot because we can't really change them.

It's pointless to discuss looks unless you're planning on giving the plastic surgeon a visit. But to deny their influence on interactions (especially with women) is kind of missing the point.

EDIT: Also looking for a quick fix, trying to play the game isn't as important as actually being an attractive guy. Being in shape and having a good job aren't part of the foreplay, but they're still important - just don't make the adverse mistake of being celibate until you're "satisfied". Just step up in all aspects of your life and there's no need for game - it should come naturally. I'm sure the hippie guy must have been quite an interesting person, no? It's better that than to be a "jock" devoid of personality.

 

[jacob]

Well I've been gone a while and I've been thinking a lot and experimenting a lot and observing a HELL of a lot, and I have come to certain realisations.

When it comes to a man's physical attractiveness to a woman, its only a "yes" or "no". And in the VAST majority of cases its a 'yes'...even if she seems cold or unethusiastic at first. If she is attracted to you AT ALL, you CAN have sex with her. You guys telling us how fantastic looking you are, (Poonani maker, starter of the "just be nice" thread etc) are missing a much bigger picture. Yes you may get certain special treatments and attention and smiles and giggles from women...but how many have you had sex with? I bet not a great deal. Is that Italian guy whos has banged 8000 odd women that good looking? No.

When you are good looking (and I put myself in this category), yes its a nice little ego jolt when you get something based on your looks, or some attention from a girl....but women want to be swept off their feet, seduced, taken, etc...they want you to approach them and do the work. Good cosmetics (looks) is just another form of social proof....it has very little to do with sexual attractiveness, which is a whole concoction of things.

Skinny? Fat? Short? Funny looking? Sh.it, just do the best with what you've got...you're a MAN and she's a WOMAN and thats the attraction....not the size of your damn muscles or the ratio of your facial features.

Instead of approaching, just for 1 night, go to a bar and LOOK who gets glances and IOI's from the women, then look who gets laid...honestly, you'll start to see what I'm saying is true.

I've been into seduction for about 5 yrs now and it really is becoming clear. If you still have any thought of routines, insecurities over appearance, any reason not to approach then you aren't even close to "getting it".
And I predict some ppl saying, "He's a KJ oversimplifying things...of course great appearance and good game is neccessary"....but this is untrue. Approaching girls with the single-minded intention to sleep with them makes you incredibly attractive. No stupid, insincere opinion openers, no cube, entertaining them, no getting to know them as a person (this can come later), you approach with 100% conviction that you will sleep with her, and if she tells you to f.uck off (incredibly unlikely) then just leave. Only get a number if you absolutely can't have sex with her or at least an "insta-date" right there.

Persistance....unless she tells you straight "f.uck off" then persist....she WANTS you to. Women lie constantly. You are 5'6" and she tells you she only dates basketball players. Bull-effin-s.hit....this a test/game and you pass it by not even contemplating playing it.

Actually I've just realised that Gunwitch method is basically what I've told you, but with a lot of real-life experience now, which I will write about and give examples of later. But for now, please take this thought - as a man you are attractive to women regardless of the package you come in (your appearance). Believe this 100% from the depth of your soul 100% of the time...and I mean really believe it and allow this belief to dictate your thoughts, words and actions...and then go into the field and see how women respond to you. It really is a hugely powerful realisation.

This is a very practical advice. One of the most helpful posts I've seen since Allen Thompson and David Deangelo. We need more like it.

I'm a good looking guy. I've had females tell me I'm gorgeous, but when I was younger I didn't have game, and my looks got me nowhere. Sure it make it easier for woman to be willing to talk to you and give you a chance, but without this essential ingredient that you just mentioned, I don't care how good you look you have little chance of keeping the females attraction and interest in you high, and the girls start to think your gay or a girl yourself.

This is the inner game that sparks attraction in females.



This is the essential ingredient

 

[Aragon034]

you folks need to understand that there's a balance in everything

if she doesnt find you attractive, no matter what you say, she isn't gonna buy it.

she needs to at least find you DECENT enough to want to sleep you.

let me ask you a question.

say a 400lb fat woman with more chins than a chineese phonebook comes up to you.. and she starts telling you how she has friends everywhere and how she is so cool and she buys designer clothes and what not...

it won't matter what she says to you, but you will still be grossed out to sleep with her.

now if she has MONEYYYY $$, then you might consider sleeping with her.

this is what women do out there too. when a nasty fat guy covered in acne will approach them, they are disgusted by him. but if he has money, a hot car and some other **** to make up for the lack of looks, they will go out with him and spend his money and act like they have a headache when it's time to have sex.

Usually i find your stuff a bit too cynical Meta, though i give you the benefit of the doubt since we're different. But I totally agree with you here 100%. I'll add a physics metaphor.

Looks gets you a certain percentage of the way there, but not to a point of critical mass. That's where game and other factors come into play, the better your looks, the less you'll need to reach it. But on game alone it is possible to reach that critical mass level, just harder.

And besides, what guy on this forum isn't trying to look better? it's stupid to assume that because someone says looks don't matter he's going to go out looking like a hobo.

 

[jacob]

And besides, what guy on this forum isn't trying to look better? it's stupid to assume that because someone says looks don't matter he's going to go out looking like a hobo.

I do go out dressed hobo, using wrinkled cargo shorts and t shirts, I bath every other day, don't comb my hair and ride my bicycle when I go places. lol
Again I know I ain't rich and I don't pretend to be, but like I said I've been blessed with good looks since I was young, and because of this I would always depend on my looks.

Growing up I would dress all suave, gel my hair up, put on colonge, all that metro sexual girly stuff. But my gangsta friends that dress all wrinkled baggy clothes, uncomb hair, rubber slippers,wrinkle t shirt, just all bummed out second hand clothes would be getting all the babes because of the way they ACTED, they paid no attention to how much they looked like a troll, and I would be there all calvin klein model getting jealous and disgusted because I was trying to look proper and play the model role and put all my hopes in my looks.

This is what good looks do to guys. Because you have an "image" to protect,
you don't really be yourself, but try and portray an image you THINK you are to people and then you become very selfconcious and can't act silly which is very attractive to females, because it makes them laugh and feel comfortable.

Not only that you start to notice all the little flaws in your looks, especially when you age and get fricken anxiety because you won't look good forever.

I usually go to this Jamba Juice by my neighborhood dressed like a bum and there's this chic that works there and she takes a break where I lock up my bicycle, and I flirt with her when I see her. lol any way last week I see her come to work on a bike! then I tell her hey we gotta go bike riding someday and surprisingly she says yeah so I give her my cell and tell her to put her number on it and I'll call her, she did. Then I tell her I'll call it right now and leave my number on your cell so while she's on the cash register taking another customers order I call and she's like "I'm nervous now my fiance might answer." So I hang up and my cell rings I answer and it's her fiance I offer my cell phone to her and tell her it's her fiance and she runs away to the back leaving a line of customers stranded. lol anyway that's a whole nother story.

The point is I didn't depend on an exaggerated primped up "image", pretending I had material wealth or a greek god look, which you'll have to put effort in keeping it up. I was just my simple self with my Don Juan knowledge and inner game, which L777 posts helps acheive that mentality.

 

[L777]

You have now betrayed yourself entirely with that last sentence. Thank you for admitting that you were 100% wrong and that looks do matter in every case all the time with no exceptions, ever.

"Be acceptable"....hmmm. Do you realize that you just shot yourself in the foot there? By giving an arbitrary benchmark of attractiveness that varies from person to person as your basis for judgment, you have now created a quantifiable excuse that anyone can use to rationalize why their methods didn't work or did work. If someone didn't get the girl, its not because their methods or speech wasn't up to snuff, its now because "they were slightly under the acceptable attractiveness level for that specific female" and all bets are off. So who is to say exactly what level of attractiveness is "acceptable"?

That is like me saying: "be a tall, rich, hot, confident white guy like me and you and I will go out and get any girl you want in the club" Well...DUH! Of course it would work, anything would work with us two dominating the entire club. I have pretended to be mentally challenged and still gone home with some of the blondest, hottest b1tches you can ever think of. But, you don't see me bragging about it to everyone. Why? Ill tell you why...because any observations I make as this tall alpha male are completely irrelevant because they do not apply to the average person. The same as your observations. You cannot be objective while simultaneously being the experimentee and the experimentor.

In true scientific fashion, you would have to use a control group to see if any of your hypotheses are plausible, then RE-experiment with your hypothesis to determine its effectiveness. Due to the nature of a group website that focuses on dynamic subject matter; i.e. females, it is impossible to accurately judge the effectiveness of any hypothesis without astoundingly large sample sizes. Since you both have no control group and a ridiculously small sample size, your conclusions all HAVE TO BE 100% WRONG. Even if they are right from a theoretical or a priori standpoint, they are unverifiable and therefore, useless.

What is happening, and part of the reason for all the dissent over this topic, is the generation of conclusions of a non-specific nature (getting females) by using a specific and scientifically available metric (physical visual attractiveness) to form conclusions which incorporate no science, a great deal of emotional involvement and no real evidence. I am sort of embarrassed to be involved in a "scientific" discussion with people who choose not to understand what science is.

I would like nothing more than to have an actual verifiable scientific report that is focused on the means and ways that normal males can attract females and how effective the different approaches are. Maybe we could throw in a section that details the advantages of certain physical characteristics between males and females. Then we could finally put this meaningless discussion to rest forever. I think it would be one of the best things to come out of any self-help website. I would even volunteer to do such a thing if there was enough interest.

I just reiterated what I said in the first post....it was ppl like you who turned it into a "LOOKS DON'T MATTER" kind of thing.

The thing about this not being real science and therfore '100% wrong' is so retarded, even you can't seriously profess to believe its true. If this were the case, then every single thing that every single person in the seduction community says has to be '100% wrong' because it wasn't verified in a labatory. Seriously mate, stop trying to sound more intelligent than you are, we can all be verbose and pompous...it does't mean what you say is right. And please stop with the scientific babble....I have a degree in Biology so none of this impresses me.....stop f.ucking typing about it on a forum that has nothing to do with science!!

And regardless of how goodlooking you think you are, I bet I know a few better....acting 'mentally retarded' like you say will not get you the 'blondest, hottest bitc.hes I can think of' (I prefer brunettes )...so I suspect some trolling on your behalf.

Lol....why am I even bothering to acknowledge a guy who calls women 'bit.ches' who is30?

 

[actionjaxson]

looks help a lot. but everytime i go out i see at least a few ugly/average/nerdy/no style kind of guys with a pretty girlfriend. guys that look like they get picked on and ****. so theres hope for everyone here.

 

[darwinian_sympathiser]

Lol...bitter much?

Obviously you can't even think straight can you?

Yes we see it all the time, the hottest girls can’t help themselves when dorks are around. I’m sure Brad Pitt’s looks had no effect in getting Angelina Jolie to fall for him.

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

You have now betrayed yourself entirely with that last sentence. Thank you for admitting that you were 100% wrong and that looks do matter in every case all the time with no exceptions, ever.

"Be acceptable"....hmmm. Do you realize that you just shot yourself in the foot there? By giving an arbitrary benchmark of attractiveness that varies from person to person as your basis for judgment, you have now created a quantifiable excuse that anyone can use to rationalize why their methods didn't work or did work. If someone didn't get the girl, its not because their methods or speech wasn't up to snuff, its now because "they were slightly under the acceptable attractiveness level for that specific female" and all bets are off. So who is to say exactly what level of attractiveness is "acceptable"?

That is like me saying: "be a tall, rich, hot, confident white guy like me and you and I will go out and get any girl you want in the club" Well...DUH! Of course it would work, anything would work with us two dominating the entire club. I have pretended to be mentally challenged and still gone home with some of the blondest, hottest b1tches you can ever think of. But, you don't see me bragging about it to everyone. Why? Ill tell you why...because any observations I make as this tall alpha male are completely irrelevant because they do not apply to the average person. The same as your observations. You cannot be objective while simultaneously being the experimentee and the experimentor.

In true scientific fashion, you would have to use a control group to see if any of your hypotheses are plausible, then RE-experiment with your hypothesis to determine its effectiveness. Due to the nature of a group website that focuses on dynamic subject matter; i.e. females, it is impossible to accurately judge the effectiveness of any hypothesis without astoundingly large sample sizes. Since you both have no control group and a ridiculously small sample size, your conclusions all HAVE TO BE 100% WRONG. Even if they are right from a theoretical or a priori standpoint, they are unverifiable and therefore, useless.

What is happening, and part of the reason for all the dissent over this topic, is the generation of conclusions of a non-specific nature (getting females) by using a specific and scientifically available metric (physical visual attractiveness) to form conclusions which incorporate no science, a great deal of emotional involvement and no real evidence. I am sort of embarrassed to be involved in a "scientific" discussion with people who choose not to understand what science is.

I would like nothing more than to have an actual verifiable scientific report that is focused on the means and ways that normal males can attract females and how effective the different approaches are. Maybe we could throw in a section that details the advantages of certain physical characteristics between males and females. Then we could finally put this meaningless discussion to rest forever. I think it would be one of the best things to come out of any self-help website. I would even volunteer to do such a thing if there was enough interest.

because L777 is an idiot, like most of the posters here. Thinking involves a lot you know, they just don't want to do it. They belong to the "I buy this book/course or go to this seminar" and hence that should make me successful with women mentality. It never occurred to them that there might be personal facets and qualities about individuals that make them individuals, and which confer advantages/disadvantages when it comes to attracting women. That thought is never taken into account somehow because nobody wants to hear that.

 

[L777]

OK I've heard all the counter arguements and I still don't agree with any of them....tbh I consider myself above you people in terms of how I think about and ago about the act of seducing women...but whatever.

Keep your opinions to yourself or make a new thread, we'll agree to disagree.

Mods feel free to close this. Thanks for the input everyone.

 

[darwinian_sympathiser]

OK I've heard all the counter arguements and I still don't agree with any of them....tbh I consider myself above you people in terms of how I think about and ago about the act of seducing women...but whatever.

:crackup:

Where's your evidence? You have none. You know why? It's because you can't think straight. You spout the crap that the PUA community put into your head, they do the thinking for you, and you carry the torch for them, never realising that you've been duped. Do you know when you are being used as a muppet?

You've been feed total BS by the PUA community and you don't realise it. What I want to know is what your agenda for wanting to believe what they say is.

Keep your opinions to yourself or make a new thread, we'll agree to disagree.

There's no "agree to disagree". We are NOT talking about a controversial topic - because there's no controversy: looks matters. It's just that it's politically incorrect for people to admit their true feelings, so they cover it up with social manoeuvres and try to be polite about it.

There is no need for anyone to read anything that PUA community says or sells to be successful with women.

I believe everyone knows that looks are important since the age of 11, but that's my personal view.

We have idiots like you L777 because you will never admit you are wrong because your ego gets in the way. Reality stares at you in the face and you choose to ignore it, you can be like this for the rest of your life or else you can be honest and come clean - it's your choice, nobody else's. It's not going to effect potato or me - we're just laughing at you. We are laughing at what you're going to become: a sad deluded individual who thinks he can get any woman he wants, just like all the other w*nkers in the PUA community.

3 guys are studying Physics at college. The first guy is naturally good at Physics, he needs to study just 2 hours to get 90% in a test. The second guy is not quite as good as Physics, but not bad. He needs to study 5 hours to get 90% in a test. The third guy is quite weak at Physics. he needs to study 10 hours but he can still get 90% in a test if he does.

Thats how i see looks work in the PUA world. They play a part for sure. The more you have, potentially the less you have to study PUA, but it doesn't mean that ugly guys can't master the game and do just as well. It just may take a bit more effort on their part to get to the same level

I recently watched a lot of Keys to the VIP episodes. Some of those guys had none to little game but got by purely with their looks. Other guys not as good looking did as well if not better with proper game.

In summary, looks play a part but they are by no means the defining factor

Not true. There are certain things in life that you cannot make up for which will always be an INNATE part of you. The Seduction Community WANTS you to believe that it is possible to make up for it (otherwise they have nothing to sell), but the nature of the problem does not admit this solution and never has . . . I've never worked to attract women at all, they either want to know me or they don't. Same with everyone else, except when rejected the deluded ones will say: "I didn't have the right game for her at the time".

What is happening, and part of the reason for all the dissent over this topic, is the generation of conclusions of a non-specific nature (getting females) by using a specific and scientifically available metric (physical visual attractiveness) to form conclusions which incorporate no science, a great deal of emotional involvement and no real evidence. I am sort of embarrassed to be involved in a "scientific" discussion with people who choose not to understand what science is.

because most of the posters are morons, I'm totally embarrassed just posting here. They listen to the PUA community because it's ready made and seems credible, and hence they believe it. They need the hope, and the thinking: "there's a 10 over there, I can get her if I know what to say and do"

You can never really make a proper study of these for the following reasons:

1) people will obscure the data
2) people's preferences are different to a degree. Nobody can get ALL women, you wouldn't want to anyway. We are not made like that. So someone could be very good looking to the general population but not good looking enough for a particular individual woman.
3) people's love maps are different (it's what makes you by the way, see Deep Dish's Book of Women), this is the MAJOR reason why looks matters, and the major cause of the confusion regarding the looks debate
4) a woman can be seriously attracted to someone but not give out the signs because she's already happily attached to someone else and does not want to rock the boat
5) women can feign genuine attraction out of politeness or just likes to mess with people feelings (i.e. attention wh*res)
and so on . . .

But do you know what all this is down to? It's all down to f*cking. It's down to f*cking in the sense that the woman in question has to be turned on by you. What turns a woman on sexually is an INNATE part of her psychology and there is nothing any man can do about that.

It is for the latter reason why people's relationships and who keep in contact with socially is quite stable. Who they see as lovers, who they see as friends, and who they see as acquaintances is very much dictated by the latter point. And I find it insulting to one's intelligence and totally incredulous that the PUA community think we can just bend/decieve another individuals innate will to our own liking, never for one minute realise that that can never happen because it's the major thing that makes people what they are.

 

[mfd1830]

I've always believed that looks do matter. I don't think any guy can get any girl he sees with the right strategy.

BUT, I believe every guy is capable of getting the kinds of girls he's attracted to. I've never seen a "10" that I wasn't sexually attracted to but on the other hand I've never seen a "10" that I'd want a relationship with. Those girls have completely different lives than me; a lifestyle and a way of being that doesn't interest me.

I'm seeing a girl now that many people might consider a "6" or a "7" but I don't think in those terms. To me she's a "10" because she's exactly my type; the type of body and personality that turns me on the most.

Why guys would waste so much time pursuing something they wouldn't really be happy with confuses me. Ironically, if you just be your (best) self, you can get the girls that would make you the happiest and most sexually fulfilled with almost no work or thinking.

 

[L777]

:crackup:

Where's your evidence? You have none. You know why? It's because you can't think straight. You spout the crap that the PUA community put into your head, they do the thinking for you, and you carry the torch for them, never realising that you've been duped. Do you know when you are being used as a muppet?

You've been feed total BS by the PUA community and you don't realise it. What I want to know is what your agenda for wanting to believe what they say is.



There's no "agree to disagree". We are NOT talking about a controversial topic - because there's no controversy: looks matters. It's just that it's politically incorrect for people to admit their true feelings, so they cover it up with social manoeuvres and try to be polite about it.

There is no need for anyone to read anything that PUA community says or sells to be successful with women.

I believe everyone knows that looks are important since the age of 11, but that's my personal view.

We have idiots like you L777 because you will never admit you are wrong because your ego gets in the way. Reality stares at you in the face and you choose to ignore it, you can be like this for the rest of your life or else you can be honest and come clean - it's your choice, nobody else's. It's not going to effect potato or me - we're just laughing at you. We are laughing at what you're going to become: a sad deluded individual who thinks he can get any woman he wants, just like all the other w*nkers in the PUA community.



Not true. There are certain things in life that you cannot make up for which will always be an INNATE part of you. The Seduction Community WANTS you to believe that it is possible to make up for it (otherwise they have nothing to sell), but the nature of the problem does not admit this solution and never has . . . I've never worked to attract women at all, they either want to know me or they don't. Same with everyone else, except when rejected the deluded ones will say: "I didn't have the right game for her at the time".



because most of the posters are morons, I'm totally embarrassed just posting here. They listen to the PUA community because it's ready made and seems credible, and hence they believe it. They need the hope, and the thinking: "there's a 10 over there, I can get her if I know what to say and do"

You can never really make a proper study of these for the following reasons:

1) people will obscure the data
2) people's preferences are different to a degree. Nobody can get ALL women, you wouldn't want to anyway. We are not made like that. So someone could be very good looking to the general population but not good looking enough for a particular individual woman.
3) people's love maps are different (it's what makes you by the way, see Deep Dish's Book of Women), this is the MAJOR reason why looks matters, and the major cause of the confusion regarding the looks debate
4) a woman can be seriously attracted to someone but not give out the signs because she's already happily attached to someone else and does not want to rock the boat
5) women can feign genuine attraction out of politeness or just likes to mess with people feelings (i.e. attention wh*res)
and so on . . .

But do you know what all this is down to? It's all down to f*cking. It's down to f*cking in the sense that the woman in question has to be turned on by you. What turns a woman on sexually is an INNATE part of her psychology and there is nothing any man can do about that.

It is for the latter reason why people's relationships and who keep in contact with socially is quite stable. Who they see as lovers, who they see as friends, and who they see as acquaintances is very much dictated by the latter point. And I find it insulting to one's intelligence and totally incredulous that the PUA community think we can just bend/decieve another individuals innate will to our own liking, never for one minute realise that that can never happen because it's the major thing that makes people what they are.

Bla bla bla didn't even read it, I don't value your input enough.

Hey....if it maks you feel better, you win, congrats.

Now give it a rest mate.

 

[ready123]

I've always believed that looks do matter. I don't think any guy can get any girl he sees with the right strategy.

BUT, I believe every guy is capable of getting the kinds of girls he's attracted to. I've never seen a "10" that I wasn't sexually attracted to but on the other hand I've never seen a "10" that I'd want a relationship with. Those girls have completely different lives than me; a lifestyle and a way of being that doesn't interest me.

I'm seeing a girl now that many people might consider a "6" or a "7" but I don't think in those terms. To me she's a "10" because she's exactly my type; the type of body and personality that turns me on the most.

Why guys would waste so much time pursuing something they wouldn't really be happy with confuses me. Ironically, if you just be your (best) self, you can get the girls that would make you the happiest and most sexually fulfilled with almost no work or thinking.

you're not arguing on the same page as these other guys. the other guys saying looks matter are basically saying if you're ugly no matter what you do and how much you improve yourself it's still hopeless for you

the guys saying looks don't matter are saying it's not a make it or break it thing - even though looks have an effect, other things are at work that are more important

if you wanna know who's right, all you gotta do is go out, notice the guy in the club who looks below average but is pulling more ass than you, and not come up with excuses to make yourself feel better

 

[Sandow]

There's no clear answer to this thread. Everyone's ideas are subjective because all women are attracted to different things. Women have certain types that they are attracted to. Some like the super alpha, while some like the romantic type. Some don't go for really good looking guys, while others prefer average looking guys. That is why this thread can go on and on and on! There is no right or wrong answer.

But to generalize (thats all you can do on this topic), attraction comes down to value. Your looks count as value. Your body counts as value. Your income counts as value. Your personality counts as value. The more value you have, the better chances you have. But again, every girl is different, there is no universal rule!!

 

[darwinian_sympathiser]

Bla bla bla didn't even read it, I don't value your input enough.

Hey....if it maks you feel better, you win, congrats.

Now give it a rest mate.

Lets repeat it again if you still don't get it:

We are laughing at what you're going to become: a sad deluded individual who thinks he can get any woman he wants, just like all the other w*nkers in the PUA community.

 

[swifTy]

its all about what youve got. looks included. BUT looks/no looks isn't going to be the breaker. its the net plus/total package that is the breaker.

a girl either wants you or not; you meet the grade or you don't. and if you meet the grade doesn't matter how you did, its just that you did. it could be your alphaness/power/looks/status/even sh!t like whether you use manners. every bit adds up. even niceness is a plus.

reality-- the stud guys who possess all of the above, know they are the ****, hopefully without the ego, and have what it takes to court the hotties.

if i had to pick just one thing as a man and only one; id go for masculinity. but if i was a girl id go for looks.

 

[L777]

Carlsberg don't do trolls, but if they did...

Lol....case closed.

 

[shaunuk]

Case closed indeed, haha.