Why appearance is irrelevant and game is easy

[FairShake]

"When it comes to a man's physical attractiveness to a woman, its only a "yes" or "no"."

Then looks matter don't they?

Your whole post was dedicated to something you yourself don't believe.

Of course they matter. As does personality and confidence. But nothing has to be perfect. Just serviceable.

 

[ketostix]

" I didn't want to say this before, but since you are physically attractive already, its easy to say whatever you want because there is a higher chance that anything you do will work. Same with your hippy friend. He probably is very attractive, just not in the way you and I think about it. Women are into facial features and baby faces and such things that men are UNABLE to quantify-- probably explaining his success. Simply dismissing everyone else because something works for you is not helpful to anyone.

Not only is the OP a very youthful 22 and by his own admission good looking, no one really knows if his hippie friend was actually getting laid. And if he was there's no reason to believe his appearance wasn't attractive to females. You make good points, DuffDog. We as guys may not think a guy is good looking but we are not women cueing on the same visual/appearance markers that women are.

I'm not saying looks are the only thing that matter in getting women because you need personality and the right attitude and confidence. But I believe attraction for females is primarily VISUAL. And the smaller part that is auditory is mostly about how you sound and how you say things, not what you say or even your "inner-game". What really matters is what she visually can see. Having good presentation and appearance is very important and it would be impossible to explain or learn in written format.

When you have these young guys say, "I just changed my attitude and my results totally changed." What they're not taking in account is that they already had good looks and appearance down and just need to put the final touches on their overall game. What they don't understand is some guys don't have their looks/appearance/presentation down and all the inner and outer-game changes aren't going to necessarily address that or bring much difference in results.

 

[Byezbozhniy]

L777,

Great posts man. Kudos to you. Although even I'm getting frustrated at the amount of responses saying "How can you believe that looks don't matter?"

I think guys like 'potato' (although I do have a feeling he's a bit of a troll - if he was as irresistable to women as he claims, why would he be here in the first place?? He's not here to learn and certainly in no position to give advice to the average poster here) don't see both sides of the coin. If you've only ever pulled girls under the illusion of 'it was because I'm pretty,' then of course you are going to place value on looks.

When you're an average looking guy who can pull fit birds then you realise (not just believe or rationally conclude) that looks are incredibly less important than we're led to believe.

I am a believer that looks count, but most importantly they count to me because it affects MY inner game.

 

[Byezbozhniy]

But I believe attraction for females is primarily VISUAL.

:crackup:

One word - KINOSTHETIC!!

 

[ketostix]

:crackup:

One word - KINOSTHETIC!!

I don't believe touching a female causes attraction. If a woman isn't attracted to a guy and he touches on her she will be more put off by him. Kino causes a response in a girl who's attracted to a guy. I guess it's easy to confuse cause and effect.

 

[Byezbozhniy]

I don't believe touching a female causes attraction. If a woman isn't attracted to a guy and he touches on her she will be more put off by him. Kino causes a response in a girl who's attracted to a guy. I guess it's easy to confuse cause and effect.

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

Duuuuuuude. It's not about physically touching a bird, it's about making them feel.

Anyway, I'm going to cop out of this tete a tete. I dislike arguments based on conjecture and should've known better than to do this.

My involvement in this thread was just to show support to someone who gets it. (and to demonstrate my ability to boldly italicise text.)

 

[L777]

"When it comes to a man's physical attractiveness to a woman, its only a "yes" or "no"."

Then looks matter don't they?

Your whole post was dedicated to something you yourself don't believe.

Of course they matter. As does personality and confidence. But nothing has to be perfect. Just serviceable.

Again please refer to original post.

And Duffdog and ketostix....I am no way what you woul consider traditionally good-looking. I'm 6'1 and 175lb so kinda lanky...a largish nose and a smallish chin...I just do the best with what I have, style my hair well, dress nicely (not flash) etc. and have great body language and posture. i.e everything I can do to maximise my appearance I do...but I'm not particularly gifted genetically.

And as I also said much of this was based on observation of others....my hippy friend being the best example.

You can tell me I'm wrong all you want but I've seen it...girls are not these incredibly complex creatures from another planet that we make thm out to be....at the core of it, at their essence, they are just ppl that want sex, like us. They just realise the social stigma attached to that. When you communciate to them that you don't recognise this social stigma and will not judge them for acting on their natural instincts and agrressively create the oppurtunity for sex, they will respond powerfully to this because very few men do this and you are understanding them at a level which few other men do.

'Looks' really do become almost meaningless at this point. Like I said, be acceptable at least, and you're golden.

 

[Smack]

You can tell me I'm wrong all you want but I've seen it...girls are not these incredibly complex creatures from another planet that we make thm out to be....at the core of it, at their essence, they are just ppl that want sex, like us. They just realise the social stigma attached to that. When you communciate to them that you don't recognise this social stigma and will not judge them for acting on their natural instincts and agrressively create the oppurtunity for sex, they will respond powerfully to this because very few men do this and you are understanding them at a level which few other men do.

This I do totally agree with. They'll take it up the arse and suck on your toes if you promise not to judge them for it. Or tell their friends.

 

[pua1989]

I completely, 100%, agree with OP. What he speaks of is what I personally like to call "projecting your sexuality." If you can project through your body language, speech, eye contact, etc that you want to have sex, and that you will make the girl feel secure about it, then it happens. I am myself still learning how to do this; the times I have had sex have been when I have been in sort of a "mode" when I just, sh1t I don't even know how to explain it, just take charge and show that I want to have sex. It is such a hard thing to explain, but I am excited for my future because I know if I have done it a few times, then I can do it all the time. And so can everyone else. Sorry I cannot elaborate on it further, but it sounds like what I am talking about and what the OP is saying, are the same thing.

 

[trv26]

Again please refer to original post.

And Duffdog and ketostix....I am no way what you woul consider traditionally good-looking. I'm 6'1 and 175lb so kinda lanky...a largish nose and a smallish chin...I just do the best with what I have, style my hair well, dress nicely (not flash) etc. and have great body language and posture. i.e everything I can do to maximise my appearance I do...but I'm not particularly gifted genetically.

And as I also said much of this was based on observation of others....my hippy friend being the best example.

You can tell me I'm wrong all you want but I've seen it...girls are not these incredibly complex creatures from another planet that we make thm out to be....at the core of it, at their essence, they are just ppl that want sex, like us. They just realise the social stigma attached to that. When you communciate to them that you don't recognise this social stigma and will not judge them for acting on their natural instincts and agrressively create the oppurtunity for sex, they will respond powerfully to this because very few men do this and you are understanding them at a level which few other men do.

'Looks' really do become almost meaningless at this point. Like I said, be acceptable at least, and you're golden.

Ur 6 feet 1. U realise that's an advantage already right?

 

[DonJuan11]

Try this exercise that someone suggested to me - picture yourself as physically attractive as your genes and bankroll allow you to be, talking to a hot girl with the utmost confidence, charm and single minded desire to sleep with her. Do you think she would be interested in sleeping with you? Of course she ould. Now tell me why this isn't possible in real life with a bit of effort and commitment.

It seems like you are thinking of sleeping with a girl as a business transaction. Sleeping with a girl is not cause and effect. It's not like lifting weights you get bigger, reading more books will make you smarter, going to school and studying hard will get you a degree. Even if you have the utmost confidence and you want to sleep with her, she could refuse. Girls don't want sex the way we do, they do not accept sex any guy with confidence and charm the way a merchant or retailer would money. Sex is not a universal language.

I guess we can just agree to disagree. But you shouldn't have said your 6'1, you may get flamed for that here. Without turning this into a height thread, most girls would take 6'1 for sex over money any day.

 

[Dannyrt34]

Why does everyone have to make the looks debate so complicated....

It's simple
Good looks can get you 'in the door' with most women. However, if you have no game, your ass will be sent right back out that door.

If you are NOT good looking. A girl might not be as receptive of you when you first meet. In this case, you must rely solely on your game to get in the door and stay in.

So, to sum things up. Looks don't matter, but they HELP.

Why so complicated?

 

[DJVladdy]

Cris,

What's this bull**** laws you're coming up with?

You made up all your "lay reports" last year didnt you.

 

[darwinian_sympathiser]

Why does everyone have to make the looks debate so complicated....

It's simple
Good looks can get you 'in the door' with most women. However, if you have no game, your ass will be sent right back out that door.

If you are NOT good looking. A girl might not be as receptive of you when you first meet. In this case, you must rely solely on your game to get in the door and stay in.

So, to sum things up. Looks don't matter, but they HELP.

Why so complicated?

Because you're a moron, and so are most of the posters here.

Looks actually do matter. Just as much as they matter to us when we select what woman we go for. There would be no need for a fashion and beauty industry if it were not so. There would be no careers for these seriously stunning men and women who do not use their brains but simply strut around the catwalk for designers and the like . . . .

They matter, and they matter a great deal. The problem is that tastes vary to a certain extent, but that's all.

In my life I've attracted the best looking girls in college without doing anything much - not so much as open my mouth. The girl who I got infatuated with actually made a move on me first - without actually knowing anything about me. It wasn't my dress sense or personality since she knew nothing about me.

"Game" means nothing. That's marketing speak for all these "gurus" to sell course to unsuspecting newbies. Brad Pitt does not have "game", nor does George Clooney or Tyson Beckford. All they have to do is to smile at a girl and she's most likely theirs for the taking. . .

You do not need to "game" women, nor deceive them, for them to like you. You go out and mingle and you'll find out who likes you by the looks they give you. People who want you in their lives will allow you to be in their lives. That sounds obvious I know, but most posters here don't understand that simple concept and dress it all up with "game" and not bothering to let Nature take its course.

You can tell me I'm wrong all you want but I've seen it...girls are not these incredibly complex creatures from another planet that we make thm out to be....at the core of it, at their essence, they are just ppl that want sex, like us. They just realise the social stigma attached to that. When you communciate to them that you don't recognise this social stigma and will not judge them for acting on their natural instincts and agrressively create the oppurtunity for sex, they will respond powerfully to this because very few men do this and you are understanding them at a level which few other men do.

'Looks' really do become almost meaningless at this point. Like I said, be acceptable at least, and you're golden.

And you are deluded. Totally and utter deluded.

Of course women want sex. But only with a man or men of THEIR choosing. If she does not find you physically attractive there is no hope in hell that she'll want to sleep with you. Your personality will never get a look in. There is no secret to what you claim, because it's false.

Look at this from your own point of view: would you sleep with a woman who you find physically repulsive? Would you even let such a woman in your life as a friend or lover if you could choose?

Me and Potato already know the answer to both . . .

 

[ready123]

I'm 5'7 and roll into clubs with 4 other guys who are 5'11 or taller. A couple years back, they were following me around the club because I was the only one who could mack - they were all scared of girls and stuck in their heads. They couldn't pull for sht, despite their looks but I could. Ironically the best looking guy in the group is the one with the least game. Half the nights he just stands there until the end of the night paralyzed because of approach anxiety. So he waits for the pressure to build up to the 1 o'clock hour, sees everyone having fun except him, and then does 1 or 2 weak approaches. Does he regularly get opened by girls? Yes, because he's good looking. Can he keep them interested and seal the deal? Not really. Can he go up to a girl of his choosing with confidence? Not yet. Because even though he's the best looking guy in our group, his subcommunication totally deflates whatever initial impression he made and that subcommunication is based on his sense of self. This sht is deeper than just superificialities guys

if you really wanna figure this out, just look at the "aberrations" around you - some of them might be close friends. guys who are medoicre looking and/or fat but have hot girlfriends and more charisma than you. guys who are better looking but pretty much ooze low self-esteem. you'll see something is at work beneath the surface that supercedes facial features

Merry Christmas fellas

 

[L777]

Because you're a moron, and so are most of the posters here.

Looks actually do matter. Just as much as they matter to us when we select what woman we go for. There would be no need for a fashion and beauty industry if it were not so. There would be no careers for these seriously stunning men and women who do not use their brains but simply strut around the catwalk for designers and the like . . . .

They matter, and they matter a great deal. The problem is that tastes vary to a certain extent, but that's all.

In my life I've attracted the best looking girls in college without doing anything much - not so much as open my mouth. The girl who I got infatuated with actually made a move on me first - without actually knowing anything about me. It wasn't my dress sense or personality since she knew nothing about me.

"Game" means nothing. That's marketing speak for all these "gurus" to sell course to unsuspecting newbies. Brad Pitt does not have "game", nor does George Clooney or Tyson Beckford. All they have to do is to smile at a girl and she's most likely theirs for the taking. . .

You do not need to "game" women, nor deceive them, for them to like you. You go out and mingle and you'll find out who likes you by the looks they give you. People who want you in their lives will allow you to be in their lives. That sounds obvious I know, but most posters here don't understand that simple concept and dress it all up with "game" and not bothering to let Nature take its course.



And you are deluded. Totally and utter deluded.

Of course women want sex. But only with a man or men of THEIR choosing. If she does not find you physically attractive there is no hope in hell that she'll want to sleep with you. Your personality will never get a look in. There is no secret to what you claim, because it's false.

Look at this from your own point of view: would you sleep with a woman who you find physically repulsive? Would you even let such a woman in your life as a friend or lover if you could choose?

Me and Potato already know the answer to both . . .

1. I think you're probably a troll.
2. If you're as good looking as you claim you can't relate to what I eman anyway as you've already had it really easy.

Really, really stuid f.uckin post man. Ironically if Darwin was here I'm 99% sure he would agree wit me as what I'm advocating DOES appeal to the woman's natural self, going beyong the BS that most ppl think matter(cosmetics -which you rate so highly)

Seriously man I can tell by your writing style and complete lack of comprehension that you don't have the faintest clue what I'm on about.

 

[slaog]

This is an interesting post. Here's my theory.


Nobody will ever know the true answer. What L777 is saying is true for him. Thats his reality. He also mentioned how he visualises success with women which is a great excerise. The answer to 'does looks matter' is whatever you believe it to be. If you believe you can get women you'll get them. If you believe you can't you won't.


We're all here to become better more attractive men. If you think you are ugly and looks matter then thats a big barrier to becoming a better, more attractive man. It will always be in your mind. It's essential to be positive. Unfortunately theres alot of negativity on this thread. Ignore the negative posts. No offense to anybody. What you're all saying is probably true for you but thats your reality.


For me women look for healthy men. If you are unhealthy like being too fat etc then that means you're not doing enough to look after yourself. That of course is because of a weak mindset. If you're not able to look after yourself then that speaks volumes to a woman.


Looks are important for me. I go after a certain look. However sometimes in the past I would met girls who were real quality and had great outlook on life and although they won't be my type I would feel strong attraction for them. They made me feel great with their personalities.


Just make women feel great in your company. They have feelings and emotions and thats the key to attracting them. Do looks alone make them feel great? Definetly not..

 

[ChrizZ]

Here is how it works in the real world:

http://www.transbuddha.com/mediaHolder.php?id=1394

 

[eatgel]

appearence matters guys.... why are you stating stupid topics like this when its common sense? LISTEN im going to tell you what all girls LIKE! Put yourself in a girls body so for a sec pretend that you are a girl I know its wierd but stfu and do it ! So if you were a girl what kind of guy would you want? Does he have to be pretty, tall, rich, and so on... But all girls are different but its a proven fact that looks matter. But looks can only take you so far that if you don't have game, the girl would rather go out with the little less prettier guy.

 

[slaog]

Here is how it works in the real world:

http://www.transbuddha.com/mediaHolder.php?id=1394

Lol that was funny!


But while it was saying looks matter the better looking guy had easily the better inner game. Look at his body language, confidence etc. The makers of the video over looked that little mistake which once again proves how important inner game is.