Why appearance is irrelevant and game is easy

[MisterMcGee]

if they dont want it, they'll tell you. otherwise, by being an awesome dude who doesn't give up on her (but still doesn't cling and annoy her), you're thinking she hasn't come to her senses, and you have a multitude of opportunities to give off a good impression, show value, be funny, and so forth and she may just put her defences down and fall a bit for you.

 

[L777]

Everything else is mostly fluff.

To you, possibly. As I have said before, its actually how it is for me. I'm just sorry you aren't experiencing the same phenomena. Your loss. And as I have said numerous times...I never said LOOKS DON'T MATTER. Please reread the original post if you're gonna bother to quote me.

EVERYTHING I have written has been observed or performed by me - and to say it is not applicable to anyone else is, for want of a better phrase, b.ollocks. I'm sorry, I really tried to keep this impersonal and infomational but you're just being a p.rick for the sake of it. My original post is based on my own real life and the lives of people around me and close to me, and I have been to a lot of different places and cultures and the dynamics are largely the same.

Its great that you have big muscles and wanna "compete" for the best women and all that - good luck to you. You're probably at the top of the pile amongst guys who go about getting girls the regular way (fancy openers, flash clothes and cars, rapport building games, well planned day 2s etc). BUT...at the risk of sounding pretentious, I think there is a level above this that you have never even contemplated, where you don't NEED to compete because it just comes easily and superficial s.hit means almost nothing (you just have to be acceptably attractive and not totally gross). I know this is a hard thing to accept but I think the best PUAs and seducers (of which I don't claim to be one) would know what I'm on about.

I used to think just like you until I went to the USA for my 2nd yr at university...every time I went to a houseparty I would see typical 'jocks' trying to get with these girls, you know the kind I mean "Must get BIGGER, must COMPETE, must WIN, must get hottest girl to impress my "bros" '...and I thought it was pretty sad. These guys rarely got laid and when they did it was with average girls with lots of make-up on. Then I met this hippy guy, about 5'8", no bigger than 150 lb, wore old clothes and was a bit of a loner. I tell you no word of a lie, he banged 3 of the hottest girls I ever seen in my life in the first month I was there, and apparantly his "tally" for the year was over 50 and could have been more. It doesn't take a genius to see that something out of the ordinary is occuring here. I based my gaming style on this guy.

If you don't like what I'm saying then that thats fine. But just stop telling me it isn't true man...its kinda annoying and whats more, just not correct.

 

[Lexington]

Guys just need to care less about the consequences. I used to think that screwing up courting a girl would lead to a fvcking nuclear meltdown. I was terrified of making a move. Because I was so terrified, I would over analyze everything and when I did finally make a move, I'd be so nervous that I'd screw up miserably.

Stop giving so much of a fvck. If some broad isn't buying what you're selling, so fvcking what!? Just move on to the next one. There are more beautiful women out there than you can even lay eyes on in a lifetime.

Always keep in mind that girls are sexual beings just like men. We as a species wouldn't have survived for very long if both sexes didn't find the act of procreation to be pleasurable. Sex is one of the most basic drives for males and females in all sexually reproducing species.

Go out there and get after them. Be direct, be straightforward. There is absolutely nothing wrong in seeking sex and/or a relationship with a woman. In fact, as men that is what we are SUPPOSED to do.

 

[Duffdog]

Then I met this hippy guy, about 5'8", no bigger than 150 lb, wore old clothes and was a bit of a loner. I tell you no word of a lie, he banged 3 of the hottest girls I ever seen in my life in the first month I was there, and apparantly his "tally" for the year was over 50 and could have been more. It doesn't take a genius to see that something out of the ordinary is occuring here. I based my gaming style on this guy.

Ok, so now we know that what you are writing is mostly about someone else. How is it working out for you? Have you banged the 3 hottest women just like him? Have you reached the elusive paradigm (that I will never reach according to you) of not having to try ever?

Yes, something out of the ordinary is occurring: You are living vicariously through another persons experiences and trying to pattern your life after someone else instead of being your own man and discovering your own way. It doesn't matter if it works for some other guy-- what works for you?

The points that you are making are incredibly nebulous and hard to pin down, thus they are unchallengeable and no matter what anyone says, you could always weasel your way out of it and just say: "Thats not what I meant, I really meant _______." It is deception in its purest form. That is where my pr.ckyness comes from. Clarity=Duffdog not being a d.ck

That is all.

 

[DonJuan11]

I know the concept of "be a man and you will get laid" is simplified and difficult to understand and accept for some, but when you are crystal clear on what it takes to "be a man" (confident, unapolagetic, fearless in the approach, no contemplation of rejection etc etc) it just comes so naturally and easily. I can honestly say that I find it easy to get laid at will now...numbers of different lays have become meaningless as well and I don't even tell people about my lays. I do it purely for sexual gratification, nothing else. I'm sorry if you can't understand this...bu this is reality, for me...and it should -and can- be this easy or everyone.

You are correct, but your "be a man" concept is way too simple and is almost talking down to people who have had trouble their whole lives with getting girls. It appears as though it is your strength to get laid by any girl and you should play it up as much and as frequently as you can, but you have to explain alot alot further than "to get laid, be unapologetic, fearless, want to have sex right away, etc". Not everyone is good at this and it takes time and practice, along with the cooperation from the right girl. You can't expect people to be good at something just because you are.

I can and will say the exact same thing to you about my strength, making money. It's a game now, I have more than enough to last 18 lifetimes and now just make money because its a game for me and I'm bored. In reality, I can't believe how easy it is to make money while people have to work their tail off to make the rent each month. But I can't just tell people "Go out and buy commercial buildings and you'll see how easy it is." People would get angry, curse, and scream at me for being so simple, and rightly so.

So when you say "Hey guys, its so easy getting laid by a 10 every night, just 'be a man'. It's very natural and easy. This is the reality for me, and it should - and - can, be this easy for everyone else," not everyone can relate and do it since you are only speaking from your own personal experience.

 

[L777]

Ok, so now we know that what you are writing is mostly about someone else. How is it working out for you? Have you banged the 3 hottest women just like him? Have you reached the elusive paradigm (that I will never reach according to you) of not having to try ever?

Yes, something out of the ordinary is occurring: You are living vicariously through another persons experiences and trying to pattern your life after someone else instead of being your own man and discovering your own way. It doesn't matter if it works for some other guy-- what works for you?

The points that you are making are incredibly nebulous and hard to pin down, thus they are unchallengeable and no matter what anyone says, you could always weasel your way out of it and just say: "Thats not what I meant, I really meant _______." It is deception in its purest form. That is where my pr.ckyness comes from. Clarity=Duffdog not being a d.ck

That is all.

Its obvious that you either don't read and/or comprehend my posts thoroughly enough. Thats was over a year ago, and like I said, I BASED my game on this guy....its not the same obviously, hell we ain't even from the same country there are a million and one differences.

But the fundamental things such as actually having the balls to go and approach and not hide your intentions are the same. This really isn't copying....its just realising the right way to be and then being it. He just showed me the door so to speak....and I walked through it. He's a hippy/stoner guy, I'm an athlete/teetotal guy...we couldn't be more different....only thing we have in common is we are both getting laid more than 99% of the other guys out there.

And I keep having to 'weasel my way out' as you put it because you keep misrepresentig me! I have just told you what I personally experience now, and you seemed to take offence to it and told me it isn't true, possibly because you are 30 and still have to put (as it seems to me anyway) huge amounts of effort in to getting girls. It's a shame you can't just be happy for me...this thread was meant to show what can be achieved by anyone with a little bit of effort and the right mindset.

You are correct, but your "be a man" concept is way too simple and is almost talking down to people who have had trouble their whole lives with getting girls. It appears as though it is your strength to get laid by any girl and you should play it up as much and as frequently as you can, but you have to explain alot alot further than "to get laid, be unapologetic, fearless, want to have sex right away, etc". Not everyone is good at this and it takes time and practice, along with the cooperation from the right girl. You can't expect people to be good at something just because you are.

I can and will say the exact same thing to you about my strength, making money. It's a game now, I have more than enough to last 18 lifetimes and now just make money because its a game for me and I'm bored. In reality, I can't believe how easy it is to make money while people have to work their tail off to make the rent each month. But I can't just tell people "Go out and buy commercial buildings and you'll see how easy it is." People would get angry, curse, and scream at me for being so simple, and rightly so.

So when you say "Hey guys, its so easy getting laid by a 10 every night, just 'be a man'. It's very natural and easy. This is the reality for me, and it should - and - can, be this easy for everyone else," not everyone can relate and do it since you are only speaking from your own personal experience.

Not the same thing at all. Making money is not a natural thing, getting laid is, we are all born with the ability, just BS things affect this ability since birth.

But I'm not gonna type a whole damn method, but the best thing I have seen and the closest to what I actually do, is Gunwitch method.

SO my practical advice would be to use that literature and stamp own style on it....but its really more than that. I don't think it can be properly communicated online...this thread was really just to let guys know of what can be achieved. I think most guys know deep down what it takes to get laid a lot anyway, but most don't have the commitment, balls or drive.

PS: I personally believe YOU ain't really understanding what I'm on about as well. "BMW or Mercedes E class -which do ladies like better?" Oh please (none of them hold a torch to the new Aston btw )

 

[potato]

Is that Italian guy whos has banged 8000 odd women that good looking?

And how many of these were desirable women? From my observation, those banging the most numbers of women tend to be those who sell drugs and are willing, even aggressively so, to trade drugs for sex. The women tend to be prostitutes and drug addicts, riddled with STD’s.

Persistance....unless she tells you straight "f.uck off" then persist....she WANTS you to. Women lie constantly. You are 5'6" and she tells you she only dates basketball players. Bull-effin-s.hit....this a test/game and you pass it by not even contemplating playing it.

This reminds me of a guy that came round hitting on my girlfriend. She repeatedly rejected him, even explaining that she had a boyfriend, yet he persisted. When I had momentarily left he came onto her again, going as far as putting his arm around her, trying to kiss her and touch her inappropriately. When I returned, my girlfriend and her friend told me what had transpired. A quick jab upside the head sent him flying to the floor.

Naturally good looking? Like pretty boys?

Pretty boys get no tail unless they have the mentality.

Pretty boys tend to be sissy boys that look and act more like someone’s little sister than a man. Good looking men aren’t pretty boys

What is interesting is that I have a great deal of experience with this. Before I knew what a PUA was, I knew how to get girls easily—

Me too.

And I wish ppl would stop saying they disagree with me or that this is BS. This post is NOT my opinion or a theory I've come up with, its the reality I see around me time and time again. I'm not asking you if you agree with me or not, I'm telling you that this is the way it is.

Incredulous.

Seriously guys, I CAN'T believe there are still guys who think looks matter! I truly can't!

I can’t believe that there are guys so gullible as to be persuaded into believing that looks don’t matter!

Have you truly never seen a hot girl with a pug-ugly guy? It's happening all the time!

Yes we see it all the time, the hottest girls can’t help themselves when dorks are around. I’m sure Brad Pitt’s looks had no effect in getting Angelina Jolie to fall for him.

Attraction in men and women works different!

Not really. A well shaped body, a pleasant face, and a killer smile will get a woman going just as much as a man.

Anyway, you can't use the same example with women....cos they can't/don't approach.

Actually women approach all the time, just not the PUA way. If you were truly good looking, you would know this.

I’m still amused by this idea that looks don’t matter all that much – and, by looks I mean the dynamic visual image that one projects to the world. I’ll give you a few examples.

I went to a club for a friend’s birthday party. Early on, when I went to the bar to order a drink, there were these two women sitting there talking to each other. As I got closer, one of the women looked right at me with a look of great happiness and seemed to squirm on her seat. I ordered my drink and sat down next to her. She was thrilled to death just to talk with me. She went home with me that night though I never played any game on her other than just being myself.

On another occasion, upon walking into a Taco Bell I saw two women sitting in a booth. One of the women quickly took notice of me and displayed that characteristic squirm. I got my food and sat down in the booth next to where the women were sitting. The woman who had squirmed was soon talking to me and then sitting next to me. We set up a date but I flaked on her, my having lost interest. Again, no effort on my part to attract her other than just being who I am.

I met the mother of my children at a party. We happened upon each other, awkwardly, the attraction between us rather strong, but not sure how to proceed. She spoke first asking, “Do you like me?” When I nodded that I did, she leaned into me and we began to kiss.

There was this woman and the first day that I saw her there were several guys hitting on her, including one that is always telling me how great of a ladies man he is. Though she played up the attention she went home with no one. I spoke not a word to her, nothing more than a quick smile. A week later I saw her again. She approached me.

Once I had just met this woman and we talked for a bit, just idle talk. As we talked I came to the realization that I really liked her. This resulted, I guess, in me smiling quite a bit. Suddenly, with a somewhat look of contentment, she spoke, “I’ll bet no woman can resist you.” And, she couldn’t. Again, with no game on my part, other than just being who I am, another woman fell for me.

Once I went to hang out with some friends. There was this woman with them who I’d never seen before. Upon seeing me, she approached me telling me that I was the most beautiful man that she had ever met. Within minutes we were kissing and hugging. I never did her though because I decided that I didn’t like her that much.

And on and on.

 

[dbot]

This post makes some very important points:

Just because a guy is attractive, doesn't mean he knows what he's doing. That said, even if you're not very attractive, nothing will hold you back if you do know what you're doing.

This isn't about having game as much as it is having intentionality. If you have an objective or goal then you're miles ahead of the studs who are just gonna sit back and wait for something to happen. If there's anything women don't want, it's a f*cking p*ssy. Avoid that, and the battle has already been won.

 

[L777]

And how many of these were desirable women? From my observation, those banging the most numbers of women tend to be those who sell drugs and are willing, even aggressively so, to trade drugs for sex. The women tend to be prostitutes and drug addicts, riddled with STD’s.

This reminds me of a guy that came round hitting on my girlfriend. She repeatedly rejected him, even explaining that she had a boyfriend, yet he persisted. When I had momentarily left he came onto her again, going as far as putting his arm around her, trying to kiss her and touch her inappropriately. When I returned, my girlfriend and her friend told me what had transpired. A quick jab upside the head sent him flying to the floor.

Pretty boys tend to be sissy boys that look and act more like someone’s little sister than a man. Good looking men aren’t pretty boys

Me too.

Incredulous.

I can’t believe that there are guys so gullible as to be persuaded into believing that looks don’t matter!

Yes we see it all the time, the hottest girls can’t help themselves when dorks are around. I’m sure Brad Pitt’s looks had no effect in getting Angelina Jolie to fall for him.

Not really. A well shaped body, a pleasant face, and a killer smile will get a woman going just as much as a man.

Actually women approach all the time, just not the PUA way. If you were truly good looking, you would know this.

I’m still amused by this idea that looks don’t matter all that much – and, by looks I mean the dynamic visual image that one projects to the world. I’ll give you a few examples.

I went to a club for a friend’s birthday party. Early on, when I went to the bar to order a drink, there were these two women sitting there talking to each other. As I got closer, one of the women looked right at me with a look of great happiness and seemed to squirm on her seat. I ordered my drink and sat down next to her. She was thrilled to death just to talk with me. She went home with me that night though I never played any game on her other than just being myself.

On another occasion, upon walking into a Taco Bell I saw two women sitting in a booth. One of the women quickly took notice of me and displayed that characteristic squirm. I got my food and sat down in the booth next to where the women were sitting. The woman who had squirmed was soon talking to me and then sitting next to me. We set up a date but I flaked on her, my having lost interest. Again, no effort on my part to attract her other than just being who I am.

I met the mother of my children at a party. We happened upon each other, awkwardly, the attraction between us rather strong, but not sure how to proceed. She spoke first asking, “Do you like me?” When I nodded that I did, she leaned into me and we began to kiss.

There was this woman and the first day that I saw her there were several guys hitting on her, including one that is always telling me how great of a ladies man he is. Though she played up the attention she went home with no one. I spoke not a word to her, nothing more than a quick smile. A week later I saw her again. She approached me.

Once I had just met this woman and we talked for a bit, just idle talk. As we talked I came to the realization that I really liked her. This resulted, I guess, in me smiling quite a bit. Suddenly, with a somewhat look of contentment, she spoke, “I’ll bet no woman can resist you.” And, she couldn’t. Again, with no game on my part, other than just being who I am, another woman fell for me.

Once I went to hang out with some friends. There was this woman with them who I’d never seen before. Upon seeing me, she approached me telling me that I was the most beautiful man that she had ever met. Within minutes we were kissing and hugging. I never did her though because I decided that I didn’t like her that much.

And on and on.

Lol same old same old from the most boastful 49 year old on earth.

Again, you aren't quite as intelligent as you have professed in the past as you are misquoting me on the "looks don't matter" thing - please refer to original post and read thoroughly for clarification.

Whatever man - I'm above it all. If all this is true then you don't even have game and its your fan-f.uckin-tastic looks that get you girls. Let me tell you though, when you seduce a beautiful woman rather than her just handing herself to you (which I have had, I am not ugly by any standards), its just better - the sex is better, you feel more like a man etc. Plus you can't choose which women will approach you, so you will always be stuck on your level.

You may be "beautiful"...but I am gaming on what I believe to be a higher level, and I'm probably a 8-9 in looks anyway (I know I'm taller than you ) Your contributions to this thread really are moot, as if you are as pretty as you claim its not something most guys can relate to. Like it or not, my experiences and results are real...just go away if have nothing useful to say.

Oh and PS: Lol on your (jealous) claims that those banging the most woman only get prostitutes and crackheads etc. The guy in the example I gave was a doorman at one of the best hotels in Venice (not so many crackheads ) and made an average wage and was average looking by all accounts. Just stop arguing with results man - you won't win.

 

[potato]

Just because a guy is attractive, doesn't mean he knows what he's doing. That said, even if you're not very attractive, nothing will hold you back if you do know what you're doing.

Even if you do know what you’re doing doesn’t automatically mean that you will get the girl

Again, you aren't quite as intelligent as you have professed in the past as you are misquoting me on the "looks don't matter" thing - please refer to original post and read thoroughly for clarification.

I’m not at all misquoting you. You are not the center of the universe. I was addressing the game trumps looks argument that is so central to everything you post and those other posters that buy into it. Plus, you did say that looks are irrelevant. Not once in my life have I lost out to a woman to a less attractive man, with or without game.

Whatever man - I'm above it all.

Yet you fail to see the value in women beyond your statistics.

Let me tell you though, when you seduce a beautiful woman

Seduction implies deception, I don’t deceive women.

Plus you can't choose which women will approach you, so you will always be stuck on your level.

Actually I do choose. I choose or reject those women that approach me and I do approach women. I just don’t resort to deception, er seduction as you do. In almost every case, whenever I’ve been on the hunt, I’ve been able to gain the interest of just about any woman available that I want. The choice is not only in getting the woman in the moment, but getting her for the long term.

Oh and PS: Lol on your (jealous) claims that those banging the most woman only get prostitutes and crackheads etc.

The reality of the situation is that there are only so many really good looking women.
Those guys, like your doorman (and I really doubt his claims), that do bang a lot of different women, that closer inspection reveals that most of those women aren’t all that desirable. Bang enough women in no-strings-attached sex and you will soon have STD’s.

 

[L777]

Even if you do know what you’re doing doesn’t automatically mean that you will get the girl

I’m not at all misquoting you. You are not the center of the universe. I was addressing the game trumps looks argument that is so central to everything you post and those other posters that buy into it. Plus, you did say that looks are irrelevant. Not once in my life have I lost out to a woman to a less attractive man, with or without game.

Yet you fail to see the value in women beyond your statistics.

Seduction implies deception, I don’t deceive women.

Actually I do choose. I choose or reject those women that approach me and I do approach women. I just don’t resort to deception, er seduction as you do. In almost every case, whenever I’ve been on the hunt, I’ve been able to gain the interest of just about any woman available that I want. The choice is not only in getting the woman in the moment, but getting her for the long term.

The reality of the situation is that there are only so many really good looking women.
Those guys, like your doorman (and I really doubt his claims), that do bang a lot of different women, that closer inspection reveals that most of those women aren’t all that desirable. Bang enough women in no-strings-attached sex and you will soon have STD’s.

Whatever. Your time's over man, there's younger dudes coming up doing it better than you and more often. Just give it a rest ey?

 

[DonGorgon]

Appearance is not irrelevant it is part of your whole package that must attract women... So what you lack in one area you must make up for in another area.. i.e. more money better personality etc... Some women will compromise on looks but most especially young hot ones will not.

So dont lie to yourself and say looks dont matter.. be honest and say that in some cases if you lack good looks some women will consider other positive traits you do have.

Me for instance i have a very dark complexion and most black americans are not attracted to blacks with dark complexions (for complex reasons) It is an unspoken social rule that two dark people should avoid getting together.. So many black women call my unattractive... especially if they are also dark.. Appearance does matter cause it affect judgments..

 

[Smack]

Now I don't know how this myth that 'looks don't matter' came along, probably some guy saw a hot girl with an ugly dude, but it's just that: a myth. Currently it's being perpeptuated by PUA type material, which is marketed at lonely guys who wished they got laid more, who, surprise surprise, are usually not the best looking guys.

From my observations, looks do matter to some degree. Obviously, not as much for us men as they do for women, but it's still there, if easy to overcome. So I'm not saying you have to be the best looking, but you have to look somewhat decent. Easily enough achieved if you shower daily, get regular hair cuts (and a hairstyle that suits you) and clothes that fit well. You'd be amazed the amount of men who don't shower daily, or are basically slobs.

And another thing is that one woman's ten is another woman's seven, woman have different tastes in men. I'm very tall and of decent build (broad shoulders, a bit of muscle, not much, but people don't yell "meathead!" upon laying eyes on me). I'm not much of a pretty boy, I don't look in the least bit girlish, and I constantly have a 5-o'clock shaddow, even after shaving. Now, to girls who like my type of guys, I'm going to be rated quite high by them; but to girls who like pretty boys, or skinny guys or short guys, I'm not going to be rated so high. Using looks alone, it's easier for me to pull a girl who likes my type of guy.

 

[ChrizZ]

Here is the truth without all the pua scam:

a) if you want the b!tchy promiscuous hot chicks that were popular in high school:

1. You need six packs abs, be tall and be atleast a 9 on the looks scale.

b) If you want the "good girls" (mostly average looking)

1. You need a fun personality, lots of friends etc..

c) if you want ho's (the super hot chicks you see in porn movies etc...)

1. you need $$$, ferrari etc...

This is reality.

 

[ready123]

Here is the truth without all the pua scam:

a) if you want the b!tchy promiscuous hot chicks that were popular in high school:

1. You need six packs abs, be tall and be atleast a 9 on the looks scale.

b) If you want the "good girls" (mostly average looking)

1. You need a fun personality, lots of friends etc..

c) if you want ho's (the super hot chicks you see in porn movies etc...)

1. you need $$$, ferrari etc...

This is reality.

if your reality hasn't changed by the time you're my age, you're probably braindead

 

[DonJuan11]

Not the same thing at all. Making money is not a natural thing, getting laid is, we are all born with the ability, just BS things affect this ability since birth.

Again you are speaking from experience "BS things affect this ability since birth" (You are thinking: I can't believe how easy sex is, everyone should have sex when it is this easy) People cannot control their circumstances, some people are born with abusive parents, with no sisters, with no money, with no way of knowing how to relate, talk to, compliment girls. Some people have body image issues, some people are too shy, some people are afraid of failure and thus their mind won't allow then to have sex. Being born with reproductive parts does not necessarily mean you know how to use them, just like being born with a brain does not necessarily mean you will become a doctor.

More power to you if you can have sex within 5 minutes of meeting a girl. All I can say is I wish I had your natural ability to sex a girl they way you do.

I can get an Aston Martin anytime I want, but I still won't be able to have sex they way you do.

 

[bam bam]

response to a response

i'm so good looking that woman bottles the air I breath... but still wont sleep with me figure that one out!


but no seriously all jokes aside LOL (wasn't joking) haha


There is a lot of gray area about what you guys are talking about. I'm going to try to address as much as I can into this and clean up the disorder.


First of all guys what you consider to be good looking has really no effects on anyone else. How many of you can get you and two friends to agree that a woman you pick is a 9 for you and the two of them? I would bet you'd have a hard time finding a woman. Not all three guys going o yeah she's hot guys actually finding her a 9 on a scale where she's personally like omg I have to talk to her she looks so wonderful! So let’s not get to excited about if where really good looking or not or what we find good looking.


What makes a guy better looking or a girl then someone else is the fact most people would find them higher on a looks scale. Now with that said, do looks matter? You both are sitting here arguing about two extremes. Unfortunately majority of this world isn't apart of those two extremes. Most people are somewhere in between the good looking and the ugly person. Does this matter? I don't want to offend anyone with what I’m about to say next but I’m sure there will be a couple who shall get offended. If you in your right mind think that either looks matter totally or looks don't matter at all. You have a very distorted view of reality.


I will use this next personal example to best explain one part of the looks spectrum. I had very fat friend of mine who has a huge love for woman. But him attracting woman is like the earth attracting the sun into orbit. So I made prior attempts after he broke up with his girl friend to help him get on a path of happiness and competence in the female department. After being a spectator from far during his approaches, I saw how woman would treat him which was almost like he was something from another planet. Most would look at him as if he was some kind of disgusting in-human creature. He made lots of minor adjustment to his body language and image approaching slower faster a big smile a smaller one a grin. He was treated like a piece of **** meanwhile he was just saying hi and being nice to them. Has anyone tried explaining to him how looks don’t matter and how it’s all about you’re game? You know how heart breaking it is to see a best friend at the time depressed about to go in tears and you’re trying to put life into his dead spirit. This is just an example out of my life of a friend I’ve had since we where kids who went and is still going through this treatment. After witnessing such responses from woman I don’t think I could ever assume that looks are not a factor of social interaction.


Let’s ask ourselves now why woman respond like this? Your looks project onto the world what kind of person you are. There are more than enough studies done in psychology that talk about human interaction being almost all visual. A fat person projects to people that he’s lazy and has no discipline. Even if he has a biological disorder 99.9 percent of people do not see that. Those are just two simple reasons for it. That’s just being fat if we want to take a look into each department of looks it will all come down to the very similar things. It’s people not caring enough about them to do something about what’s society has deemed to be bad and change it. How could you say that something so strongly ingrained into our system would not affect how we view other people? That’s just addressing the ugly side of the example.


Let’s take a glance at the other side of the spectrum! Being a bimbo or a himbo. Even though these two sets of people get a lot of attention from people. Most people assume that these people are hiding insecurities and lack personality. People look at these types of people with an unreal look at reality and also they find them fake shallow, not worth talking to. A lot of times you’ll get hate coming towards these people before they even open up their mouths because they do a lot of the times give off a better then everyone vibe. This type of look will get you attention but it won’t give you more concert response from people. You’ll attract insecure opposites that admire this fake dream world they have constructed around you.


What you guys are arguing about are these two sides right now. Which I strongly believe you’re both wrong because being any of these two extremes is no advantage to meeting wonderful people. What people should be looking to achieve isn’t this extreme view of not caring about looks or caring too much. It’s keeping yourself together in a very classy but sexy way. Simple maintenance is required for this and is achievable by everyone. If you care for your hygiene, diet, body, and mind. A simple set of standard will make you very attractive. Anyone can jump onto a scale and get up to a 8 very easily but just regular maintenance. What the pua’s try to establish with this looks don’t matter belief is that these simple methods for taking care of yourself are available to everyone so you there for are not apart of this I don’t have it group. There are a few people that these things will not change them. Unfortunately I don’t have all the answers or even a small amount of them. The world is un-fair and un-kind. Deal with it or parish is my view on life. I was born lucky and I sometimes take it for granted while others are born in worse scenarios and just are happy.


Looks make your life easier in the first 5 seconds guys. If you’re not sure what’s going on after that then looks are not the issue. I woman will pickup nice features about you like nice butt nice chin nice eyes if she likes you. You do not have to be a GQ model that’s for sure. But the better you take care of yourself the higher you can go on your own criteria when it comes to picking which woman your willing to keep around and which you’re not. If you’re still not satisfied with what I said do a small experiment with yourself. Take two months to do what I said allow your body to change a bit then use the third month as a time to meet people and woman. Then see how the reactions you’re getting from before to after are if you’re not taking care of yourself.


L777 not to be rude but you posted a bad post. What you said makes sense but the way you posted it comes off as you bragging more than anything. You just gave two general vague statements and then left everyone offended or on your side not explaining the reasoning for that. Put some effort into your post so people are able to understand in what content you’re referring to looks in. Then you’re complaining about how no one understands what you’re saying. Don’t post vaguely make it direct and give good clear proofs and example so people are aware of what you’re talking about. You’re spending three pages defending yourself from what you claim is people that don’t understand what you’re saying. You think it’s all the poster are the once with the issue? Cut all the fluff you put into your original post and see what you’re actually saying. (looks don’t matter I just get laid so you can too)

 

[L777]

Again you are speaking from experience "BS things affect this ability since birth" (You are thinking: I can't believe how easy sex is, everyone should have sex when it is this easy) People cannot control their circumstances, some people are born with abusive parents, with no sisters, with no money, with no way of knowing how to relate, talk to, compliment girls. Some people have body image issues, some people are too shy, some people are afraid of failure and thus their mind won't allow then to have sex. Being born with reproductive parts does not necessarily mean you know how to use them, just like being born with a brain does not necessarily mean you will become a doctor.

More power to you if you can have sex within 5 minutes of meeting a girl. All I can say is I wish I had your natural ability to sex a girl they way you do.

I can get an Aston Martin anytime I want, but I still won't be able to have sex they way you do.

Believe me man I came from the bottom of the bottom in temrs of ability to get lad. Most of the issues you listed, I had. It can ALL be overcome. Now its not the case at all....but I'm STILL the same person I always used to be, I just don't have clouded ways of thinking or any insecurities or anything like that any more....yes, I've change my appearance slightly, but not a great deal.

So my only conclusion from this is that I WAS born with the ability to get laid. Hell, I always believed in my heart of hearts that I was entitled to the hottest girls, and could picture myself going and getting them....I just didn't have the balls or conviction to actually do it or the self confidence....now I do.

Try this exercise that someone suggested to me - picture yourself as physically attractive as your genes and bankroll allow you to be, talking to a hot girl with the utmost confidence, charm and single minded desire to sleep with her. Do you think she would be interested in sleeping with you? Of course she ould. Now tell me why this isn't possible in real life with a bit of effort and commitment.


And to the guy who posted directly above. For the millionth time, please actually read and comprehend my first post...I did not say LOOKS DONT MATTER.,..I said you need tobe at least up to her minimum standard, which is usually a lot lower than you think. And do the best withwhat you have. Obviously your fat friend should get in shape its just common sense. The title of the thread was perhaps a bit misleading, but I wanted to catch people's attention and then have them read my explanation.

 

[Duffdog]

I said you need tobe at least up to her minimum standard, which is usually a lot lower than you think. And do the best withwhat you have. Obviously your fat friend should get in shape its just common sense. The title of the thread was perhaps a bit misleading, but I wanted to catch people's attention and then have them read my explanation.

You still fail, even with this explanation. "her minimum standard" could be anything and it could randomly change when you are around, when the stars align, depending on if she is ovulating, etc. Furthermore, when you make statements like: "Your fat friend should get in shape" you are arbitrarily deciding that women don't like chubby guys at all simply because its "common sense." What if I told you that I know some women who like big guys? Even being PC and saying "do the best with what you have" is also ridiculous-- what if you are short. Many athletic girls cannot overlook the fact that guys are short, it is a huge dealbreaker and nothing anyone does "with what they have" can have any effect on it. You caught peoples attention all right. They now think you are nothing more than condescending to them with your attitude of "I fvck 40 girls a week, why aren't all you losers doing it too?"

"Perhaps a bit misleading" seems as close to admitting that you did not fully explain nor create a verifiable conclusion as you are likely to get. I didn't want to say this before, but since you are physically attractive already, its easy to say whatever you want because there is a higher chance that anything you do will work. Same with your hippy friend. He probably is very attractive, just not in the way you and I think about it. Women are into facial features and baby faces and such things that men are UNABLE to quantify-- probably explaining his success. Simply dismissing everyone else because something works for you is not helpful to anyone.

 

[Aragon034]

WTF is up with the negative mindset you guys have?

Instead of thinking "I'm going to make myself the best man i can be" you give yourself excuses like "looks matter" and "i'm short" or whatever other bull**** reason you have. It all equates to you selling yourself short and not getting what you can actually achieve!

Do all the inspirational and true stories of people mean nothing to you? Have you been so unsatisfied with your success levels that you're willing to justify it with some BS?

Whatever happened to "inner game trumps all"?