No real motivation to meet/date girls anymore

[SpartanWarrior77]

This is getting less common.

The median age at first marriage is 30.4 for men and 28.6 for women in the USA. Very few high school sweethearts are marrying anymore. Additionally, few college-formed relationships survive more than 3-5 years beyond graduation.

Median Age at First Marriage, 2021

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yeah I was saying that more so bc sounds like OP is in a small town in the midwest or something AKA not target rich environment where things might be done closer to the old way but good info

 

[SW15]

I was saying that more so bc sounds like OP is in a small town in the midwest or something AKA not target rich environment where things might be done closer to the old way but good info

Good point. I've spent my post-college time in 2 of the 15 most populated US metros. This is likely something that has skewed my perspective of the mating environment.

 

[BergischerLöwe]

Oh dude! Thats it! Problem solved. U never dated a foreign woman?

I do not date American women at all. I exclusively go for foreign women.

American women stopped making men's juices flow somewhere in the late 90s (altho the process dates from the 60s). If you're a sensitive, masculine and intelligent guy, American women will repel you. Thats just how it is in my experience. Ive met and approached thousands by the way, I literally have ZERO desire.

I lived in Prague for a while, great experience. You will 100% find what you're looking for. Never seen so many girls walking around with baby strollers throughout the day until i moved there. Also theyre all carrying rose bouqets because guys are proposing left and right.

Do not go to Germany. You will regret it. German women are almost as bad as Americans, just less trashy and more educated but not in a good way. They're like cold HR reps who lack any sort of feminine energy. Stay away from Western women, France might be the exception but not really.

As far as the job situation, so what? That means you're used to being frugal im assuming. It also sounds like you're not ultrarich from it but can live comfortably. Awesome! U get to be the Shopenhaurean ascetic. That being said, Amazon is hiring in Prague and u could work there for extra cash while u look for gigs and stuff. But yeah, you're already basically making pennies in a **** part of the US so u got nothing to lose, u might as well be making pennies in an awesome different country/city.

American women are not exciting or attractive at all. I've never met a single one. The closest thing I met to an American was really a 19 year old Dominican in Miami who grew up there but she was heavilly influenced by latin culture and things didnt work out anyway.

Nothing is wrong with you. U sound like an intelligent and driven guy, maybe a bit apathetic but overall go get your juices flowing abroad and you'll be surprised.

So is the answer to look abroad? Doesn't seem like I'd be able to date foreign women without living in another country. Right now I'm stuck here until I get the money from inheritance so I can buy land, and right now I'm not sure where to go. Back in 2019 I was in Austria for a semester. It was a good experience and I became quite familiar with that country, but I didn't meet any girls while I was there. I'd like to try European women for once but I'd have to go abroad if I wanted to meet any and I'm not the sort of guy that can meet girls easily. I'd have to go to whatever country and swipe on dating apps for months if I wanted to meet anyone. But like I said I got no career and I've never really had a job either, and having to manage all the stuff associated with moving abroad is so overwhelming to me that I wouldn't know what to do if I wanted to do that. Because I'm a German citizen I can live in the EU without restrictions, but still it would be a huge task to move my entire life over there. But there's a lot of things about America that I really don't like

 

[BergischerLöwe]

yeah I was saying that more so bc sounds like OP is in a small town in the midwest or something AKA not target rich environment where things might be done closer to the old way but good info

I live in a suburb of the capital city of a midwestern state

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

So is the answer to look abroad? Doesn't seem like I'd be able to date foreign women without living in another country. Right now I'm stuck here until I get the money from inheritance so I can buy land, and right now I'm not sure where to go. Back in 2019 I was in Austria for a semester. It was a good experience and I became quite familiar with that country, but I didn't meet any girls while I was there. I'd like to try European women for once but I'd have to go abroad if I wanted to meet any and I'm not the sort of guy that can meet girls easily. I'd have to go to whatever country and swipe on dating apps for months if I wanted to meet anyone. But like I said I got no career and I've never really had a job either, and having to manage all the stuff associated with moving abroad is so overwhelming to me that I wouldn't know what to do if I wanted to do that. Because I'm a German citizen I can live in the EU without restrictions, but still it would be a huge task to move my entire life over there. But there's a lot of things about America that I really don't like

Again, Austria would not be first on my list at all. Just try snowbirding, 6mo here and 6mo there or some other similar type combo. U dont have to make one big decisive move but the answer is definitely to go abroad 1000%.

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

I live in a suburb of the capital city of a midwestern state

Deff not target rich. Anything except Miami, LA, and NYC (NYC really trumps miami and LA by a factor of 20x) is basicville. Finding foreign gems is very tough. Solution: stop looking for needles in a haystack and go where the crops grow all year round

 

[BergischerLöwe]

Again, Austria would not be first on my list at all. Just try snowbirding, 6mo here and 6mo there or some other similar type combo. U dont have to make one big decisive move but the answer is definitely to go abroad 1000%.

Where would I go then? Czechia, Hungary, Slovakia, somewhere along those lines? Been to Hungary and Slovakia before but only for a weekend each. My favorite country in Europe is Liechtenstein, been there twice but it's very difficult to move there even if you're a German citizen such as myself. It's also pretty expensive there but not as much as Switzerland. Either way countries in the German speaking part of Europe are a lot more familiar to me. But like I said I'd have to be in whatever country swiping on dating apps every day for months on end for me to be able meet any girls there.

 

[BergischerLöwe]

Deff not target rich. Anything except Miami, LA, and NYC (NYC really trumps miami and LA by a factor of 20x) is basicville. Finding foreign gems is very tough. Solution: stop looking for needles in a haystack and go where the crops grow all year round

I mean that sounds all good but it'd be a huge undertaking. Having to travel thousands of miles away just to look for women. I'm already not very good at meeting women to begin with so that problem would follow me all over the world. Guys like me just have to swipe and hope

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

Where would I go then? Czechia, Hungary, Slovakia, somewhere along those lines? Been to Hungary and Slovakia before but only for a weekend each. My favorite country in Europe is Liechtenstein, been there twice but it's very difficult to move there even if you're a German citizen such as myself. It's also pretty expensive there but not as much as Switzerland. Either way countries in the German speaking part of Europe are a lot more familiar to me. But like I said I'd have to be in whatever country swiping on dating apps every day for months on end for me to be able meet any girls there.

Dude seriously? Liechtenstein? It has a population of like 30,000 ppl. You'd have more chances finding a gem in an Alabama walmart parking lot then over there lol.

Why do u say "for months on end"? U dont know that. My friend gets dates within days of arriving to mid sized cities in Columbia and hes a 39 y o Aussie. You will get dates a lot faster than that.

Also u say u never had a job. Perhaps ur a little bit lazy. I say that w respect. U might have a bit of an entitlemenet mentality. I could say that bc I have it too. Spoiled, rich step parent for several years blablabla, i could see how that can dull a man's ambition. U need to be okay with the idea of putting in a bit of effort, this is seduction, romance we're talking about! Get excited!

BTW yes to all 3 countries u mentioned.

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

I mean that sounds all good but it'd be a huge undertaking. Having to travel thousands of miles away just to look for women. I'm already not very good at meeting women to begin with so that problem would follow me all over the world. Guys like me just have to swipe and hope

You're too sure of yourself. Take a risk.

 

[BergischerLöwe]

Dude seriously? Liechtenstein? It has a population of like 30,000 ppl. You'd have more chances finding a gem in an Alabama walmart parking lot then over there lol.

Why do u say "for months on end"? U dont know that. My friend gets dates within days of arriving to mid sized cities in Columbia and hes a 39 y o Aussie. You will get dates a lot faster than that.

Also u say u never had a job. Perhaps ur a little bit lazy. I say that w respect. U might have a bit of an entitlemenet mentality. I could say that bc I have it too. Spoiled, rich step parent for several years blablabla, i could see how that can dull a man's ambition. U need to be okay with the idea of putting in a bit of effort, this is seduction, romance we're talking about! Get excited!

Any excitement I've had about dating or trying to meet women is long gone. Hence why I made this very thread in the first place. I might be a little lazy when it comes to work but it's probably because I never really had to work in order to survive. The closest thing I have to work experience is my recording and touring experience as a bass player, but that'll never pay the bills and it's a pipe dream to expect that it ever will.

It may be the case that your friend can get dates that quick, but I'm not really the kind of guy who can. I feel like even if I was a famous rock n roller I would still have trouble meeting women tbh

 

[BergischerLöwe]

BTW yes to all 3 countries u mentioned.

What makes those good?

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

Any excitement I've had about dating or trying to meet women is long gone. Hence why I made this very thread in the first place. I might be a little lazy when it comes to work but it's probably because I never really had to work in order to survive. The closest thing I have to work experience is my recording and touring experience as a bass player, but that'll never pay the bills and it's a pipe dream to expect that it ever will.

It may be the case that your friend can get dates that quick, but I'm not really the kind of guy who can. I feel like even if I was a famous rock n roller I would still have trouble meeting women tbh

Why do u say that? Are u significantly unattractive. You have no objective metric. I get what u mean though about not feeling any excitement. It sounds like your physiology is stagnant from a life of domestication due to comfort. You might physiologically be in a state of homeostasis not too different than a house plant.

You just need to be plugged into an environment that activates different chemicals inside your body cuz remember we are primarily biological creatures.

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

What makes those good?

They're all part of the Happsburg immigration agreement which makes them BASED countries. They are not open to the EUs style of feminism and mass immigration making the streets safe and packed with beautiful feminine white women. Feminism is not too firmly established in their culture yet. Many immigrants from Ukraine, Poland and Bulgaria and Romania go there. U might like Romania a bit more though cuz it sounds like you're a bit more alternative/introvert hippy type. Romania has a lot of gypsies and they might be more open to folk and alternative type guys.

 

[corrector]

I might be a little lazy when it comes to work but it's probably because I never really had to work in order to survive.

You are not probably not good with collecting benefits either then.

 

[BergischerLöwe]

They're all part of the Happsburg immigration agreement which makes them BASED countries. They are not open to the EUs style of feminism and mass immigration making the streets safe and packed with beautiful feminine white women. Feminism is not too firmly established in their culture yet. Many immigrants from Ukraine, Poland and Bulgaria and Romania go there. U might like Romania a bit more though cuz it sounds like you're a bit more alternative/introvert hippy type. Romania has a lot of gypsies and they might be more open to folk and alternative type guys.

All these are good points, and I do agree those countries are more based. Never been to Rumania but perhaps you got a point about it

 

[BergischerLöwe]

Why do u say that? Are u significantly unattractive. You have no objective metric. I get what u mean though about not feeling any excitement. It sounds like your physiology is stagnant from a life of domestication due to comfort. You might physiologically be in a state of homeostasis not too different than a house plant.

You just need to be plugged into an environment that activates different chemicals inside your body cuz remember we are primarily biological creatures.

I mean I'm pretty introverted and I'm not really that relatable to most people so that always hampers my ability to meet women. I'm not unattractive but I got more of a niche look if that makes any sense. I've been told by a fair amount of people that I look kinda like Blake from workaholics if that makes sense. Either way I've never had a way of consistently meeting women, just swiping and hoping.

With your latter point idk where such an environment would be

 

[BergischerLöwe]

I didn't start listening to bebop jazz until 1984. Most of my favourite musicians are long gone.
I've had several young girlfriends who are not only fans of older rock music, but they are often fascinated and more than a little jealous that I've been to live performances of these artists.

Plus I tend to influence women in their taste in music as well.
I noticed this most about my children - when they were young and impressionable, they enjoyed my music choices when we were driving around in the car. My son's favourite car music was Stanley Clarke's School Days; and Yessongs, a live double album by Yes, singing along to Your Move/All Good People. My daughter (now 13) is outright jealous that I've lived in 'her favourite decades' (1980-1990) and she loves Rammstein and Pink Floyd next to Lana del Rey.

I also found that Central/Eastern European women often grew up with the music I grew up with because the former soviet influence didn't allow for a lot of modern music to filter into their lives. A Czech girl that was 30 years younger than me could sing along with Pink Floyd; Led Zeppelin; Stevie Wonder; Marvin Gaye; Joy Division; and The Doors, because that was also the music she grew up with.

I guess your statement isn't based on extensive research. Many bands that are 'long gone' get fans that weren't alive when they were at their peak. Maybe it's someone's cultural background might inhibit getting to know the music, but I don't think people listen only to music made by their contemporaries.

Rock n roll seems to be at least a bit more popular in central/eastern Europe and Scandinavia than it is in the states. Most of the people that are fans of my band and have actually bought our albums are in Europe. Granted my band's actual fanbase is pretty damn small, but in general most of the people who know about us are Europeans. In Germany a lot of the old men who would have been young in the 60s/70s still have long hair and walk around town dressed in floral shirts and brightly coloured corduroys. Idk how many women in their 20s over there listen to that kinda stuff but maybe it's slightly more than it is here. But like I said I haven't really met any women around my age in Germany or elsewhere in Europe so it's hard to tell.

Either way, like I was saying earlier I have this vague idea that European women might be better for me but if that's indeed true that adds a bunch more hoops for me to have to potentially jump thru to try and meet women. Here in the states my options are limited to using dating apps, and trying to meet European women would require me to travel thousands of miles and stay in Europe for months trying to swipe on apps and get a date. I'm not one of those guys that can meet and hook up with girls while traveling, and I never will be. I can't realistically expect to pull that off, ever. Any time I hear stories of guys doing that I get super jealous since I'd never be able to do that myself. In any case, "meeting women" for me requires months of swiping on apps only to get matches from mediocre women who don't even message back anyway. The problems I have meeting women in the states would certainly follow me to Europe. The only way I'd be able to find women to date over there would be to literally move to Germany and swipe away on apps hoping and praying to luck out one day. So it's not a very feasible thing.

 

[BergischerLöwe]

You can try to become more world-wise and travel to see other cultures.
And if all you do is change locations to have other locations to swipe your dating apps, I can tell you that you wouldn't make much progress in Europe, where most people meet in real life and not on dating apps.

But that's the thing, I've never been able to meet women to date irl. If most people in Europe meet irl and off apps then I'm kinda screwed tbh. I've never pulled a girl that I've first met irl, hasn't ever happened like that in my entire life

 

[SW15]

I've never been able to meet women to date irl.

I would like to say that you are abnormal. However, given as though there are a lot of sexless males among late Millennials/Gen Z, you're not as abnormal as one might think.