Jayer's 100 Approach Journal (Will Finish 100 approaches no matter what)
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izza
Master Don Juan
IMHO success is not hooking up - and sometimes that's failure, even with beautiful, wonderful people.
Reyaj
Master Don Juan
Thanks again for the support man... as I've said before it means more than you know. As far as the line I used... its actually the same one I used previously but its just come out automatic for me now... I'm actually not sure if thats the best comeback... but I like to be fun spirited and playful... The line that really seems to sometimes work is "so we can be friends...." but in this case I never heard from the girl but at least I know the bf line was legit cause I saw him in her phone..Igetit! said:
Regarding the girl I've been dating... well she actually didn't end up showing that night but we've been texting each other capriciously over the past week... I haven't really seen her since the party she had and we hooked up. I already slept with her..... but I so want to do it at least once more before she leaves. I have to admit though it doesn't look probable.... She says she wants to see me 1 last time before she leaves to give me a gift... thats really my only opporunity... but I don't know if she wants to sleep with me again.. especially since she was growing attached and is leaving soon.... I guess we'll see what happens... I just can't stress over it.... I'm going to actually call her tonight and see what happens... that should tell me a lot about the chances I have...
Reyaj
Master Don Juan
Izza to respond to your segment..
"I like that. I'm usually more the "you just hate spaghetti sauce, is that it?" I go for the more silly stuff. Then try to get them to prove to me how much they love spaghetti sauce, sing a national anthem to Paul Newman, and stuff like that."
Does this go hand in hand with what Mystery says about making the girl qualify herself... or do you just do it to be playful?
"Thanks for the compliment. I'm glad you took something from my current thinking, as I am taking from yours. Just to make sure I'm being clear, I don't think it's a problem to care about the outcome. I think the outcome is important. I agree when you said, being dependent on the outcome to be happy isn't so good. But it is normal to be a bit upset when we don't get what we want. The broader point I'm making, though, is that we should never, ever, ever malign our effort, motivation, character, or courage - or that of anyone else. We always do our best. Therefore, we should always appreciate our effort because all humans always do the best we can, all the time. We are beings of such amazing courage, adaptibility, and intelligence. I think attitude helps because it forces us to focus away from thoughts like "I am lazy, I'm a coward" and to the real roots of the problem ("I'm a considerate person and I didn't want to inconvenience her. Ok wait, I believe talking to me is an inconvenience - why? Because I'm a loser. Wait, why do I believe that? Say that reminds me of one time on the playground when..." and that, that moment of causal understanding, is when you actually solve the problem. That is the moment when you improve your outcome.)"
Very interesting.... I initially just saw it as always being thankful or the effort we each put in and appreciating that effort... but now I see you use it as a way to dig deeper into who we are by questioning that very effort..... I have a feeling morals, virtues, general life philosophies will play out so that may be a another discussion entirely...
"Hmm, I know this is aiming high, but maybe try to set a time to tell her how you feel. I don't think there's anything wrong with telling a girl directly to her face that you find her sexy, but that you understand that now's not the time, or whatever. Yes, it's an awkward situation, but a lot of it is created by us, and what we don't dare say, what we don't dare show, than by anything else. Like the wisdom above, a guy who dares just say, without catcall, that he is attracted to somebody to their face, is so rare in our time, you will astonish (not to mention pick up) women just by living honestly and wisely. That said, I too am still in this playground phase of sexual development where I think my feelings about women should be shielded from ridicule. It is hard to get over it. But the rewards are amazing - and I'm not talking just about getting women, but even more about living freely. A goal I feel is very worthy to aspire to."
I've gotten numbers being both direct and indirect... but I don't think I can say one way has a better conversion rate than another..... maybe after I do my final analysis i may come to a theory of that nature...
Thanks again all!
"I like that. I'm usually more the "you just hate spaghetti sauce, is that it?" I go for the more silly stuff. Then try to get them to prove to me how much they love spaghetti sauce, sing a national anthem to Paul Newman, and stuff like that."
Does this go hand in hand with what Mystery says about making the girl qualify herself... or do you just do it to be playful?
"Thanks for the compliment. I'm glad you took something from my current thinking, as I am taking from yours. Just to make sure I'm being clear, I don't think it's a problem to care about the outcome. I think the outcome is important. I agree when you said, being dependent on the outcome to be happy isn't so good. But it is normal to be a bit upset when we don't get what we want. The broader point I'm making, though, is that we should never, ever, ever malign our effort, motivation, character, or courage - or that of anyone else. We always do our best. Therefore, we should always appreciate our effort because all humans always do the best we can, all the time. We are beings of such amazing courage, adaptibility, and intelligence. I think attitude helps because it forces us to focus away from thoughts like "I am lazy, I'm a coward" and to the real roots of the problem ("I'm a considerate person and I didn't want to inconvenience her. Ok wait, I believe talking to me is an inconvenience - why? Because I'm a loser. Wait, why do I believe that? Say that reminds me of one time on the playground when..." and that, that moment of causal understanding, is when you actually solve the problem. That is the moment when you improve your outcome.)"
Very interesting.... I initially just saw it as always being thankful or the effort we each put in and appreciating that effort... but now I see you use it as a way to dig deeper into who we are by questioning that very effort..... I have a feeling morals, virtues, general life philosophies will play out so that may be a another discussion entirely...
"Hmm, I know this is aiming high, but maybe try to set a time to tell her how you feel. I don't think there's anything wrong with telling a girl directly to her face that you find her sexy, but that you understand that now's not the time, or whatever. Yes, it's an awkward situation, but a lot of it is created by us, and what we don't dare say, what we don't dare show, than by anything else. Like the wisdom above, a guy who dares just say, without catcall, that he is attracted to somebody to their face, is so rare in our time, you will astonish (not to mention pick up) women just by living honestly and wisely. That said, I too am still in this playground phase of sexual development where I think my feelings about women should be shielded from ridicule. It is hard to get over it. But the rewards are amazing - and I'm not talking just about getting women, but even more about living freely. A goal I feel is very worthy to aspire to."
I've gotten numbers being both direct and indirect... but I don't think I can say one way has a better conversion rate than another..... maybe after I do my final analysis i may come to a theory of that nature...
Thanks again all!
Reyaj
Master Don Juan
Alright I did 4 approaches last thursday where I went for the number. I went 3-4 overall. I've realized that I haven't really focused on posting non IOI's from girls I've went up to and more so just about girls I engaged in convo and then went for the number. I went to a popular bar/restaurant. There were a fair share of girls who either weren't receptive when I approached and even 1 that talked to me for a bit but didn't ask for my name in return when I asked for hers and then she and her friend walked away. The reason I am even mentioning this now is because I want to show that I don't get phased by these disinterested girls and my confidence remains the same as I go into more and more sets. The problem I do have is keeping my cool with girls I do end up getting the # from or girls that are just rude in general.... but whatever let me get onto last night
So the first approach was to these two girls sitting at the bar. Definitely HB 7/8 latinas.... Me and my friend noticed them and tried to stay under the rader even though we were hovering...... Finally enough procrastination had set in... and it was time to approach... I tried to wait for a break in the action as far as the girls talking among themselves... I got it and I approached the girl
Me: Hey you got something on your face
Her: (baffled and looking caught off guard) I do? what?
Me: yeah its right there (touching her face) there I got it
Her: ohhh thats not nice to say you know...
Me: No I was only be helpful... (smiling) you have an accent where are you from?
Her: Colombia
Me: nice.. I have some background from there
Her: no you don't (looking cynical yet playful)
Me: no serously.... blah blah blah blah blah blah
I did the usual F.O.R.M routine while my friend was clearly doing well with the girl he was chatting up...... Finally after a bit here came the usual..
Me: anyway we're here with another friend and I better go find him
Her: ohh ok you too
Me: we should talk more though let me get your number I'll give you a all
Her: Sure... its xxx-xxx-xxxx
As I was typing it in she saw I made a mistake and corrected.. I just handed her the phone and she put it in.... This has proved to be a good sign in the past... I kissed her on the cheek and was on my way... My friend also # closed his....
Onto Approach Number 2.....
Well there was this AW girl who was dressed very provactively dancing on the floor... She ended up walked up by me and purposely leaned into her a little bit so she would bump me...
Me: (smiling) ouch you bumped into me
Her: sorry about that Im just trying to get through
Me: you have an accent where are you from?
Her: brazil (seeming like she wasn't into talking)
Me: nice... you speak Portuguese
Her: Yeah of course.... but I need to find the DJ
Me: ohh ok well I'll be here come back and we'll talk later
Her: ok...
Well she didn't end up coming back but rather went onto the dance floor..... but we made eye contact and she smiled at me..... I smiled back of course
I then waited a few minutes and leaned up against the ledge which was on the end of the dance floor.... I waited for her to make eye contact with me again and when she did I motioned with me hand for her to come over... well she did....
Me: Hey listen I'm actually about to head out of here but I want to talk to you more, let me get your number and I'll give you a call
Her: (a bit surprised) ok..... whats your number Ill call you
Me: (chuckling) just give me yours, don't worry I'm not going to bother I just want to talk
Her: ok.... its xxx-xxx-xxxx
I kissed her on the cheek and walked away. I'm sure I have no shot with this girl as I said she is a clear AW who is probably used to constant attention.... but hey whatever lol we'll see
Ok so I walked outside of the place to the smoking section..... and there were a few sets smoking.... I noticed a 3 set which were all tall (taller than my crew anyways).... We decided we'd approach them just for sport if anything... each of us went up to 1... Now honestly the unfortunate thing is I can't remember how I opened mine because at this time I had some drinks which were really starting to hit......... but I know that my friends were out of the set fast and I ended up entertaining the 3 girls.... I'm proud of myself because usually when I'm out numbered in a set I look for a way out but this time I decided to stick in there.... so I did and I finally boxed out the other two with my back when I decided to number close.... This of course was the one miss of the night
Me: Anyway I guess I'm going to get going, let me get your number though I'll give you a call
Her: (took a deep breath while smiling) I'm sorry I'm engaged......
Me: are you serious.... where is your ring?
Well she showed it to me..... not sure if it was an engagement ring or not but I took it for 1......
Me: lol well that's definitely a ring.... its cool have a good night
Her: You too
Alright so now we were about to leave when I saw 1 final opporunity to do an approach.... There was a 3 set.... and I was getting ready.... but before I knew it 2 other guys approached the set!...... Now normally I don't approach these sets when other guys are in it.... but I took notice that there were 2 guys on a 3 set which meant one of them would eventually be neglected... and thats exactly what happend..... I went right up to the girl that wasn't as engaged in the convo
Me: Hey I like that necklace... what does it say though?
Her: Its my name HB 6
Me: haha thats what I thought.. my friend thought it said something else...
Her: really.....what did he think it said?
blah blah blah.... THis girl actually goes to the same college I did so we had that in common to discuss..... I finally did my usual had to go and asked for the #.... she gave it to me... I told her I would text her (but I never did)
So I didn't try my same night text with these girls.... I've found it to be a good barometer but I just literally forgot..... Its Sunday now so I've officially waited 3 days.... I will reach out to these girls in a little bit and should have feedback on it tomorrow.... I hope something comes of it lol...
Approaches 95
Numbers 57
So the first approach was to these two girls sitting at the bar. Definitely HB 7/8 latinas.... Me and my friend noticed them and tried to stay under the rader even though we were hovering...... Finally enough procrastination had set in... and it was time to approach... I tried to wait for a break in the action as far as the girls talking among themselves... I got it and I approached the girl
Me: Hey you got something on your face
Her: (baffled and looking caught off guard) I do? what?
Me: yeah its right there (touching her face) there I got it
Her: ohhh thats not nice to say you know...
Me: No I was only be helpful... (smiling) you have an accent where are you from?
Her: Colombia
Me: nice.. I have some background from there
Her: no you don't (looking cynical yet playful)
Me: no serously.... blah blah blah blah blah blah
I did the usual F.O.R.M routine while my friend was clearly doing well with the girl he was chatting up...... Finally after a bit here came the usual..
Me: anyway we're here with another friend and I better go find him
Her: ohh ok you too
Me: we should talk more though let me get your number I'll give you a all
Her: Sure... its xxx-xxx-xxxx
As I was typing it in she saw I made a mistake and corrected.. I just handed her the phone and she put it in.... This has proved to be a good sign in the past... I kissed her on the cheek and was on my way... My friend also # closed his....
Onto Approach Number 2.....
Well there was this AW girl who was dressed very provactively dancing on the floor... She ended up walked up by me and purposely leaned into her a little bit so she would bump me...
Me: (smiling) ouch you bumped into me
Her: sorry about that Im just trying to get through
Me: you have an accent where are you from?
Her: brazil (seeming like she wasn't into talking)
Me: nice... you speak Portuguese
Her: Yeah of course.... but I need to find the DJ
Me: ohh ok well I'll be here come back and we'll talk later
Her: ok...
Well she didn't end up coming back but rather went onto the dance floor..... but we made eye contact and she smiled at me..... I smiled back of course
I then waited a few minutes and leaned up against the ledge which was on the end of the dance floor.... I waited for her to make eye contact with me again and when she did I motioned with me hand for her to come over... well she did....
Me: Hey listen I'm actually about to head out of here but I want to talk to you more, let me get your number and I'll give you a call
Her: (a bit surprised) ok..... whats your number Ill call you
Me: (chuckling) just give me yours, don't worry I'm not going to bother I just want to talk
Her: ok.... its xxx-xxx-xxxx
I kissed her on the cheek and walked away. I'm sure I have no shot with this girl as I said she is a clear AW who is probably used to constant attention.... but hey whatever lol we'll see
Ok so I walked outside of the place to the smoking section..... and there were a few sets smoking.... I noticed a 3 set which were all tall (taller than my crew anyways).... We decided we'd approach them just for sport if anything... each of us went up to 1... Now honestly the unfortunate thing is I can't remember how I opened mine because at this time I had some drinks which were really starting to hit......... but I know that my friends were out of the set fast and I ended up entertaining the 3 girls.... I'm proud of myself because usually when I'm out numbered in a set I look for a way out but this time I decided to stick in there.... so I did and I finally boxed out the other two with my back when I decided to number close.... This of course was the one miss of the night
Me: Anyway I guess I'm going to get going, let me get your number though I'll give you a call
Her: (took a deep breath while smiling) I'm sorry I'm engaged......
Me: are you serious.... where is your ring?
Well she showed it to me..... not sure if it was an engagement ring or not but I took it for 1......
Me: lol well that's definitely a ring.... its cool have a good night
Her: You too
Alright so now we were about to leave when I saw 1 final opporunity to do an approach.... There was a 3 set.... and I was getting ready.... but before I knew it 2 other guys approached the set!...... Now normally I don't approach these sets when other guys are in it.... but I took notice that there were 2 guys on a 3 set which meant one of them would eventually be neglected... and thats exactly what happend..... I went right up to the girl that wasn't as engaged in the convo
Me: Hey I like that necklace... what does it say though?
Her: Its my name HB 6
Me: haha thats what I thought.. my friend thought it said something else...
Her: really.....what did he think it said?
blah blah blah.... THis girl actually goes to the same college I did so we had that in common to discuss..... I finally did my usual had to go and asked for the #.... she gave it to me... I told her I would text her (but I never did)
So I didn't try my same night text with these girls.... I've found it to be a good barometer but I just literally forgot..... Its Sunday now so I've officially waited 3 days.... I will reach out to these girls in a little bit and should have feedback on it tomorrow.... I hope something comes of it lol...
Approaches 95
Numbers 57
Igetit!
Moderator
What's up Jayer,
Man,all I can say is WOW!!! Dude,you were on fire that night. Three for four,huh? If you had started your journal off like this,you would have already finished your approaches a long time ago.
Also, I'm glad to see you switched something up,even if it was unintentionally.
You said that you forgot to text one of the girls right after getting her number. I think that's good. I was waiting to see when you would change something,anything. You're almost there man. Just five to go. You should be proud of yourself Jayer. Also if you haven't noticed,I think you have some imitators here. There's this one guy who has his thread that says "100 approaches no matter what". Hey,they say that imitation is the best form of flattery,right?
Anyway,as always,let us know how thing turn out with these numbers you got. Hopefully,they'll turn into dates,or even LTRs.
Peace man.
Man,all I can say is WOW!!! Dude,you were on fire that night. Three for four,huh? If you had started your journal off like this,you would have already finished your approaches a long time ago.
Also, I'm glad to see you switched something up,even if it was unintentionally.
You said that you forgot to text one of the girls right after getting her number. I think that's good. I was waiting to see when you would change something,anything. You're almost there man. Just five to go. You should be proud of yourself Jayer. Also if you haven't noticed,I think you have some imitators here. There's this one guy who has his thread that says "100 approaches no matter what". Hey,they say that imitation is the best form of flattery,right?
Anyway,as always,let us know how thing turn out with these numbers you got. Hopefully,they'll turn into dates,or even LTRs.
Peace man.
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Second that notion, brilliant idea sir. Jayer, please do this and let us all learn from your experiences...PHAT Rabbit said:
Reyaj
Master Don Juan
Thank you everyone! You can absolutely believe that I will post my final analysis when I complete this journal. Thanks for your ideas as far as things to report on ie. lessons learned, biggest mistakes, etc...
Anyways let me post about the follow up calls I made yesterday....
First I called the HB 7-8 Colombian girl..... well she answered
Me: Hey is this HB 7-8
Her: Yea whos is this
Me: Its Jayer we met at $*#($ last Thursday
Her: I'm sorry who is this
Me: (a bit of apprehension in my voice.. sorry guys!) its Jayer we met last Thursday
Her: ohhh hey (sounding rushed with noise in the background) can I call you back in 5 mins?
Me: yeah sure thats no problem
Her: ok bye
Me: bye
Guess what? haha no call back.... I actually suspect she may have been on a date and I caught her off guard. This morning I texted her "Buenas dias! I'm glad I didn't hold my breath lol
"
Absolutely nothing.....
Ok so the next girl I called was the HB 7 AW Brazilian girl who i number closed fast.... Her phone was basically off as it just went directly to voice mail.... I sent a follow up text saying "hey you should really keep your phone on lol"
Absolutely nothing....
So the next girl I called was the HB 6 smoker... I called and got no answered... i sent a follow up text of "hey its Jayer we met on Thursday, tried calling"
Well this one actually responded "hey whats up, sorry im at work"
I texted back asking her where she worked and she responded... I said she could call me when she got out of work when she wanted and she said she would in about an hour. Well she called me about 90 minutes later and we talked about basic stuff... it turns out she is a waitress/bartender and goes to school.... So I actually say "wow it sounds like you are a busy a girl... I was going to ask if you wanted to hang out but you seem like you have no time" She was like "ohh well I can find time somewhere..." I then asked when she was free and told her I'd text her today... Well as of right now we are texting and figuring out what we are doing tomorrow night.... I suggested we get a drink and she tell me all her waitress stories and said thats cool
I guess we'll see what happens...
FYI
One of the plates that never responded I met in the summer responded to a random text I sent her but still wouldn't answer my phone calls... now she is asking that I email her and tell her more about myself... I may just do it to humor her...
The HB Arab plate... well I texted her yesterday randomly at like midnight and she responded.... She's always been farily nice to me but she is the type that is HOT and goes out with her friends all the time.... its been hard for me to solo it..... I may call her anyway
and thats a wrap for now....
Anyways let me post about the follow up calls I made yesterday....
First I called the HB 7-8 Colombian girl..... well she answered
Me: Hey is this HB 7-8
Her: Yea whos is this
Me: Its Jayer we met at $*#($ last Thursday
Her: I'm sorry who is this
Me: (a bit of apprehension in my voice.. sorry guys!) its Jayer we met last Thursday
Her: ohhh hey (sounding rushed with noise in the background) can I call you back in 5 mins?
Me: yeah sure thats no problem
Her: ok bye
Me: bye
Guess what? haha no call back.... I actually suspect she may have been on a date and I caught her off guard. This morning I texted her "Buenas dias! I'm glad I didn't hold my breath lol
"Absolutely nothing.....
Ok so the next girl I called was the HB 7 AW Brazilian girl who i number closed fast.... Her phone was basically off as it just went directly to voice mail.... I sent a follow up text saying "hey you should really keep your phone on lol"
Absolutely nothing....
So the next girl I called was the HB 6 smoker... I called and got no answered... i sent a follow up text of "hey its Jayer we met on Thursday, tried calling
"Well this one actually responded "hey whats up, sorry im at work"
I texted back asking her where she worked and she responded... I said she could call me when she got out of work when she wanted and she said she would in about an hour. Well she called me about 90 minutes later and we talked about basic stuff... it turns out she is a waitress/bartender and goes to school.... So I actually say "wow it sounds like you are a busy a girl... I was going to ask if you wanted to hang out but you seem like you have no time" She was like "ohh well I can find time somewhere..." I then asked when she was free and told her I'd text her today... Well as of right now we are texting and figuring out what we are doing tomorrow night.... I suggested we get a drink and she tell me all her waitress stories and said thats cool
I guess we'll see what happens...
FYI
One of the plates that never responded I met in the summer responded to a random text I sent her but still wouldn't answer my phone calls... now she is asking that I email her and tell her more about myself... I may just do it to humor her...
The HB Arab plate... well I texted her yesterday randomly at like midnight and she responded.... She's always been farily nice to me but she is the type that is HOT and goes out with her friends all the time.... its been hard for me to solo it..... I may call her anyway
and thats a wrap for now....
Reyaj
Master Don Juan
Ok update time......
So the HB 6 Waitress/bartender and I are supposed to have a date tonight at 8. After some text messages yesterday she suggested I come by her as there's some places we can have a drink. I called her last night and talked to her for literally 2 minutes... we decided we'd meet today at 8pm near where the Bars were and find a place.... We'll see what happens....
So I did end up calling that AW Brazilian girl again and this time the phone rang and she actually answered! I told her it was Jayer, but she didn't remember me.... I told her I met her last Thursday and she apologized for not remembering but then said she thinks she remembers me a little bit but basically went out and partied all weekend and was now sick with a cold... I played it cool like I didn't care that she didn't remember me that well and just started threading... She kept asking me to send her a pic through my camera phone but I circumvented the topic... then she asked me if I had MSN and kept asking me to send a picture.... I basically said we should grab coffee or a drink this week and I said I'd call her.... I may send her a text today just to say I hope she's feeling better.... I tried mixing in portuguese in my convo even though I can't speak it for jack $(# lol... sometimes foreign chicks find it cute when you try to say words in their language with your American accent.
The HB 7/8 Colombian girl... absolutely nothing.... I may call tomorrow just for the hell of it and leave a message as I'm sure she won't pick up... I'm basically calling that one dead.... ironically my friend is having success with her friend who he met that night.... Its just the luck of the draw sometimes...
I'll keep everyone posted! THanks 4 the support!
So the HB 6 Waitress/bartender and I are supposed to have a date tonight at 8. After some text messages yesterday she suggested I come by her as there's some places we can have a drink. I called her last night and talked to her for literally 2 minutes... we decided we'd meet today at 8pm near where the Bars were and find a place.... We'll see what happens....
So I did end up calling that AW Brazilian girl again and this time the phone rang and she actually answered! I told her it was Jayer, but she didn't remember me.... I told her I met her last Thursday and she apologized for not remembering but then said she thinks she remembers me a little bit but basically went out and partied all weekend and was now sick with a cold... I played it cool like I didn't care that she didn't remember me that well and just started threading... She kept asking me to send her a pic through my camera phone but I circumvented the topic... then she asked me if I had MSN and kept asking me to send a picture.... I basically said we should grab coffee or a drink this week and I said I'd call her.... I may send her a text today just to say I hope she's feeling better.... I tried mixing in portuguese in my convo even though I can't speak it for jack $(# lol... sometimes foreign chicks find it cute when you try to say words in their language with your American accent.
The HB 7/8 Colombian girl... absolutely nothing.... I may call tomorrow just for the hell of it and leave a message as I'm sure she won't pick up... I'm basically calling that one dead.... ironically my friend is having success with her friend who he met that night.... Its just the luck of the draw sometimes...
I'll keep everyone posted! THanks 4 the support!
Reyaj
Master Don Juan
Just a few extra updates... I'm about to write an email to the girl that requested me to do so in the summer... we'll see what happens there.. I also texted the HB 7 Sorrority President Girl randomly today who is on my myspace and who I previously alluded to dating someone else... after the usual back and forth texting I told her she looked beautiful in her new pictures and she seemed happy I said it.... then I said "so any chance I'm going to get to see you when you come back to your home state" she responded "yea I am coming in for thanksgiving" I responded "ok well give me a call when you get in, don't worry I don't bite or anything lol. If anything it will just make me smile" She responded back a bit later "ok i will. don't worry i'm not shy lol"
That was that.. nothing to lose right...
That was that.. nothing to lose right...
Microphone Fiend
Master Don Juan
numbers without creating rapport or enough attraction are useless man. You need to make them remember you and want to speak to you again before you go for the # close or else it is just another useless # in your cell phone
izza
Master Don Juan
Well, I just think it's funnier. For me, this is just a matter of style and sense of humor. I like what you did too.Jayer said:
Probably. I just believe we do everything for a very good and valid reason. I hear pretty much every guy on this board constantly maligning themselves - and the reasons why they do things. Then they wonder why they have low self-confidence. It's not that complicated when you think about it.Jayer said:
Did you understand my "motto" from my previous post?
Hold on, let's talk about outcome dependence again. I think we need to clarify one thing. Although I believe outcomes are important, they do not define success. Keep that in mind. In the long run, how much fun you're having is a lot more important for success than following one method or another.
In other words, when I hear above that you've had better conversion rates with one method than another, that may be true, but you're still not picking up ladies from the heart. You're still not focusing on having fun.
Look, romance has its highs and it also has its lows. It can be very discouraging. We have had this discussion before, that you need to focus less on which technique produces "conversions" or whatever, and focus way more on which one is fun. Because some day, something's going to go wrong. It will and that's ok. Something will go wrong, and you will need to pick yourself up and go back out and meet some more ladies. The more everything you do is an expression of who you are, the more you enjoy it intrinsically, the easier that day will be.
Having fun will always lead to more pickups because 1) you'll be out there more and 2) fun is sexy. Dating is really complicated if you're trying to memorize lines and techniques. You can do it but it's so hard. Dating is easy if you just focus on having fun and living your values. How do you have fun dating? And if the answer is sex, just masturbate. Buy a good sex toy or something. It is so sad to find women to masturbate with. What does it mean to date ethically, in a way that uplifts you and your partner and help uplifts society? I bet nobody has ever asked you a question like that. Once you can answer it though, you can express your sexuality openly and easily. I challenge you to answer that question. It will make a difference.
I know you've picked up a lot of new beliefs during your whole experience with these 100 pick ups. But I still haven't seen you change your frame. I haven't seen you change the way you judge success, I haven't seen you commit to getting to know yourself. These aren't just things that are nice on top of picking up women, or things that don't affect outcome. You cannot truly master yourself and your romantic life without focusing on fun and expression. I don't see you as truly, fundamentally, committed to yourself. I don't see a fundamental respect for who you are. I see you still trying every new technique, I see you still willing to try stuff that isn't you to get women. I feel like, just from your posts so I might be wrong, that you're still selling out.
This isn't about you taking on my exact beliefs. This is about you taking an ethics that is your own, instead of a gurus. It's about being honest with yourself and the world.
Again, that is normal, there are lots of seemingly good reasons why people do it. And perhaps you will pick up women doing this sort of stuff. Like I've said before, picking up women is deceptively easy, for just about everybody, no matter how you look. It is not hard. Success involves far more factors, and one of the most important is honesty.
It seems to me that you're close to reframing your universe, but you're still not quite there.
Izza
Reyaj
Master Don Juan
Microphone Fiend said:
MF we need to get you back on the AOS Book Study man. Check it out in the archive.. I'm almost through the whole book. Anywhere you can post feedback on it helps.....
Now in regards to what you said I do agree with it strongly... except that I agree more with "something is better than nothing" While I have gotten a lot of flakes some of the girls I've gotten out and some of them I've hooked up with. With the socieital stigma on ONS its not as prevalent as some people make it out to be.... so if I can get a number I will take it.... but yes I should try to make a strong impression I suppose......
Izza the time you take to read and respond to my threads is always appreciated.
Being funny and having style and a sense of humor is what I feel my game is most naturally akin too..... so I definitely agree with that which is why I employ a c&f.... though I am careful with negs and agree they aren't necessary.
Now onto your deeper point....... Being light hearted and having fun is what you've emphasized throughout your posts... and when I interact with girls I try to let my natural sense of humor come out..... I agree this is important for overall happiness.
You bring up the question of:
"What does it mean to date ethically, in a way that uplifts you and your partner and help uplifts society? I bet nobody has ever asked you a question like that. Once you can answer it though, you can express your sexuality openly and easily. I challenge you to answer that question. It will make a difference."
So I think you are basically saying that finding one partner who is congruent with yourself and helps you elevate your natural attributes and charisma as you do for them results in mutual harmony which cannot be measured by any metric.......... If this is the ultimate goal... I'll tell you right now I agree with it 100%... However I am also going to say that I feel I need to have enough lays under my belt before I commit myself to something like that 100% so that I have no regrets and don't cheat..... I know that probably sounds shallow and absurd to you.... and I know from experience that sex is over rated.... still I have this desire in me to get a few more nothces on my bed post and I think when I don't get that far or when girls flake it tends to hurt my confidence...... but its probably cause I have the wrong goal..... I wouldn't trade that for finding my soul mate trust me....
damn you sure did a good job getting me to dig deep and convey these thoughts...
Definitely sounds like you are getting me to think about life philosophy in general..... I guess being happy is the most important thing.... and it shouldn't take success with women to make me feel that... I am definitely coming to this realization... but still I get lonely (emotionally) and horny (physically)..... other than that I am in a good frame but I seem to not be able to help life's mood swings........Izza said:
Share more with me man....
Ok I might as well give a Plate update...... I went out with the HB 6 smoker yesterday who actually turned out to be an HB 4...... she has an awseome personality but I'm just not attracted to her physically... we met for drinks... I bought a round and so did she.... and we talked and it was cool.... but again I'm just not attracted to her..... She texted me today and basically asked if I'd like to go out again. I told her sure cause she is a cool girl.... but I really would like to have her as a friend..... we'll see what happens...
I left a voice mail for the Colombian girl today saying I was going to try 1 last time.. and hopefully she likes Americans being playful... absolutely no response back.... NEXT!
I tried the Braziian girl today but got no answer... I texted her asking for her MSN so I can send a pic as she requested but nothing............
and I actually texted that south american girl I wasn't really feeling that I saw like 2 weeks ago... I texted her in Spanish "que tal" which means hows it going but she didnt respond.... so either the feeling of non interest was mutual or she is just pissed I never called.... blah whatever....
So here I am with 5 more approaches to go.............
Reyaj
Master Don Juan
WOW!!! I say this because I have officially completed my approach journal. Between last Thursday and today I made 5 approaches and believe it or not went 5 for 5!!! Now don't worry by now I know that getting a number hardly solidifies anything substanial..... but what a way to wrap up everything up.... Lets get to the approaches
The first one was last Thursday... I went to the same Thursday night spot I had gone to the week before where I met the Colombian and Brazilian flake... but also the HB 6 which turned out to be an HB 4 that is interested in me.... Anyway I hung out there a while pretty much eyeing out the potential sets.... I made a few approaches asking whether or not there was a halloween party to a few preliminary sets and didn't get much IOI so I pretty much didn't even bother number closing...... and to be honest I was pretty much getting discouraged and agitated at the game and left the place to go get food. Well I was with one of my friends who I often sarge with... and after we ate we decided we would go back to the place one more time to see if there were any potential girls we could quickly try and # close..... well as we scouted the area it was looking pretty dismal... I was actually about to leave when I walked through a door at the same time an HB 6/7 blondie was coming through... she made eye contact with me and held the door.. I smiled and walked through.... I then noticed she was standing outside text messaging somebody looking solely at her phone.......
So anyway as I said I was in a bad frame...... and its usually never fun to approach anyone when I was feeling like this..... However then my objective frame started telling me there would be nothing to lose to just try something and see what happens.... so after about 5 minutes of deliberating... I looked at my friend and said "here goes nothing..."
So she was still texting and I went up to the side of her and said....
Me: hey do you know if there's an exit out here?
HB 7: (looking at up at me as she was caught off guard) nooo you have to walk through the front
Me: ohhh that sucks... its my first time here actually
HB 7: really??? its cool right?
Me: yeah... I like it.... you come here a lot?
HB 7: yeah I do......
Me: thats cool, whats your name?
HB 7: Im HB 7 and you?
Me: Im Jayer (starting to feel like akward for some reason) so what do you do?
HB 7: I'm in cosmotology school its actually right across the street
Me: ohhh nice maybe you can cut my hair (smiling)
HB 7: yeah Im already cutting my friends hair
Me: when are you going to be done?
HB 7: probably in the spring...... (kinda frowning about it)
Me: ohh thats not bad at all it will be here for you know it trust me
HB 7: yeah I guess.....
Me: Im probably going to be leaving soon I actually gotta work in the morning
HB 7: yea im getting up at 5:30 or so to go the gym...
Me: wow (smiling big) thats dedication....how do you do that, its past midnight as it is
HB 7: yeah I know but you gotta make yourself
Me: I give you a lot of credit.... anyway I really gotta go I think my friend left already
HB 7: oh ok, well have a good night
Me: (feeling akward and uncomfortable but forced it) can I get your number I'll give you a call
HB 7: (sort of surprised) ok..
I pulled out my phone got it, kissed her on the cheek and said i'll give her a call soon. I then left immediately....... To be honest I am surprised I got it... it was one of the most uncomfortable moments I've felt when approaching....
I decided to do my immediate follow up text routine.... I texted her a few minutes later "it was nice meeting you, I hope you aren't too tired for the gym tomorrow" To my surprise she texted me back a few minutes later "it was nice meeting u to!" and that was that... I haven't called or texted nor has she. Today is Sunday and I met her on Thursday. I will hopefully try to call her later. We'll see what happens.....
Now onto last night which overall I felt was great.... even if nothing comes of these numbers I got it definitely stroked my ego..... This night is very unusual but everything I write is true...
So the night started out at a regular bar/lounge which is popular near me.... unfortunately there were very few girls in the place and it was basically dudes all over the place.... Well I basically just hung around with my friends and had a few beers since the drafts were cheap... suddenly a 2 set came next to my friend who was next to me.... none of us opened them immediately but more so acted like we didn't notice them. Finally my friend next to me started acting goofy and drawing attention to himself by dancing ... I noticed the girls next to him were looking at him kinda smiling at his weirdness I changed positions with him so that I was now next to one of the girls... I noticed she was drinking something clear... I said
Me: is that water lol....
HB 6: haha no... its (some mixed drink dont remember)
Me: are you sure... it looks like water
HB 6: haha no I swear....
Me: my friend over here had too much to drink I have to watch him
HB 6: haha its ok it happens
Me: whats your name?
well I'll spare the rest of the dialogue... I did my usual F.O.R.M. her friend which I actually found out was her sister that was next to her started getting into the convo as well... I engaged both of them..... (I'm getting better at this which is good) I found out they were ecudorian so I bs'd and said I was too... it seemed to build some rapport..... I decided to try something different this time though as I'm winding down my approaches... instead of trying to close I told them I'd be back in a little bit.... and I disappeared to scout the area... as there was nothing... I basically had to decide which on to try and close........ One as an HB 8 and one was an HB 6... they both seemed nice but I kind of went with the stereotype that the HB 6 would be easier to close since her sister probably is used to getting all the attention.... So I told my friend to distract the HB 8 while I went for a close and leave on the HB 6... I went back into the set... to the HB 6 I said
Me: this place is really dead... you know anywhere else around here worth checking out
HB 6: (turning to me and smiling) well you could try yada yada yada blah blah blah
Me: ok cool.... well I'm going to head out of here let me get your number though and I'll give you a call
HB 6: (pausing, sighing,smiling but slightly flabbergasted)
Me: (interjecting with smile and sarcastic laughter) don't worry I'm not putting a gun to your head
HB 6: nooo its just that I'm seeing somebody
Me: so we could be friends... nothng wrong with that
HB 6: (seeming confused for a few seconds then looking towards her sister who was being distracted by my friend) ok...
I whipped out my phone and put it in... I kissed her on the cheek and waved to her sister goodbye....
I decided I would send my traditional follow up text.... believe me I don't expect anything with this girl... I wasn't even sure the number was real... but still I texted "it was nice meeting you amiga, talk soon -jayer"
Well to my surprise I got a response that read "ditto"
The first one was last Thursday... I went to the same Thursday night spot I had gone to the week before where I met the Colombian and Brazilian flake... but also the HB 6 which turned out to be an HB 4 that is interested in me.... Anyway I hung out there a while pretty much eyeing out the potential sets.... I made a few approaches asking whether or not there was a halloween party to a few preliminary sets and didn't get much IOI so I pretty much didn't even bother number closing...... and to be honest I was pretty much getting discouraged and agitated at the game and left the place to go get food. Well I was with one of my friends who I often sarge with... and after we ate we decided we would go back to the place one more time to see if there were any potential girls we could quickly try and # close..... well as we scouted the area it was looking pretty dismal... I was actually about to leave when I walked through a door at the same time an HB 6/7 blondie was coming through... she made eye contact with me and held the door.. I smiled and walked through.... I then noticed she was standing outside text messaging somebody looking solely at her phone.......
So anyway as I said I was in a bad frame...... and its usually never fun to approach anyone when I was feeling like this..... However then my objective frame started telling me there would be nothing to lose to just try something and see what happens.... so after about 5 minutes of deliberating... I looked at my friend and said "here goes nothing..."
So she was still texting and I went up to the side of her and said....
Me: hey do you know if there's an exit out here?
HB 7: (looking at up at me as she was caught off guard) nooo you have to walk through the front
Me: ohhh that sucks... its my first time here actually
HB 7: really??? its cool right?
Me: yeah... I like it.... you come here a lot?
HB 7: yeah I do......
Me: thats cool, whats your name?
HB 7: Im HB 7 and you?
Me: Im Jayer (starting to feel like akward for some reason) so what do you do?
HB 7: I'm in cosmotology school its actually right across the street
Me: ohhh nice maybe you can cut my hair (smiling)
HB 7: yeah Im already cutting my friends hair
Me: when are you going to be done?
HB 7: probably in the spring...... (kinda frowning about it)
Me: ohh thats not bad at all it will be here for you know it trust me
HB 7: yeah I guess.....
Me: Im probably going to be leaving soon I actually gotta work in the morning
HB 7: yea im getting up at 5:30 or so to go the gym...
Me: wow (smiling big) thats dedication....how do you do that, its past midnight as it is
HB 7: yeah I know but you gotta make yourself
Me: I give you a lot of credit.... anyway I really gotta go I think my friend left already
HB 7: oh ok, well have a good night
Me: (feeling akward and uncomfortable but forced it) can I get your number I'll give you a call
HB 7: (sort of surprised) ok..
I pulled out my phone got it, kissed her on the cheek and said i'll give her a call soon. I then left immediately....... To be honest I am surprised I got it... it was one of the most uncomfortable moments I've felt when approaching....
I decided to do my immediate follow up text routine.... I texted her a few minutes later "it was nice meeting you, I hope you aren't too tired for the gym tomorrow
" To my surprise she texted me back a few minutes later "it was nice meeting u to!" and that was that... I haven't called or texted nor has she. Today is Sunday and I met her on Thursday. I will hopefully try to call her later. We'll see what happens.....Now onto last night which overall I felt was great.... even if nothing comes of these numbers I got it definitely stroked my ego..... This night is very unusual but everything I write is true...
So the night started out at a regular bar/lounge which is popular near me.... unfortunately there were very few girls in the place and it was basically dudes all over the place.... Well I basically just hung around with my friends and had a few beers since the drafts were cheap... suddenly a 2 set came next to my friend who was next to me.... none of us opened them immediately but more so acted like we didn't notice them. Finally my friend next to me started acting goofy and drawing attention to himself by dancing ... I noticed the girls next to him were looking at him kinda smiling at his weirdness I changed positions with him so that I was now next to one of the girls... I noticed she was drinking something clear... I said
Me: is that water lol....
HB 6: haha no... its (some mixed drink dont remember)
Me: are you sure... it looks like water
HB 6: haha no I swear....
Me: my friend over here had too much to drink I have to watch him
HB 6: haha its ok it happens
Me: whats your name?
well I'll spare the rest of the dialogue... I did my usual F.O.R.M. her friend which I actually found out was her sister that was next to her started getting into the convo as well... I engaged both of them..... (I'm getting better at this which is good) I found out they were ecudorian so I bs'd and said I was too... it seemed to build some rapport..... I decided to try something different this time though as I'm winding down my approaches... instead of trying to close I told them I'd be back in a little bit.... and I disappeared to scout the area... as there was nothing... I basically had to decide which on to try and close........ One as an HB 8 and one was an HB 6... they both seemed nice but I kind of went with the stereotype that the HB 6 would be easier to close since her sister probably is used to getting all the attention.... So I told my friend to distract the HB 8 while I went for a close and leave on the HB 6... I went back into the set... to the HB 6 I said
Me: this place is really dead... you know anywhere else around here worth checking out
HB 6: (turning to me and smiling) well you could try yada yada yada blah blah blah
Me: ok cool.... well I'm going to head out of here let me get your number though and I'll give you a call
HB 6: (pausing, sighing,smiling but slightly flabbergasted)
Me: (interjecting with smile and sarcastic laughter) don't worry I'm not putting a gun to your head
HB 6: nooo its just that I'm seeing somebody
Me: so we could be friends... nothng wrong with that
HB 6: (seeming confused for a few seconds then looking towards her sister who was being distracted by my friend) ok...
I whipped out my phone and put it in... I kissed her on the cheek and waved to her sister goodbye....
I decided I would send my traditional follow up text.... believe me I don't expect anything with this girl... I wasn't even sure the number was real... but still I texted "it was nice meeting you amiga, talk soon -jayer"
Well to my surprise I got a response that read "ditto"
Reyaj
Master Don Juan
Well that was that.... my friends and I decided to try sarging a few bars deeper into the city..... we went into one that had a few sets sitting at the bar..... I was basically just standing around with my friends for a bit and then decided I would try and position myself to open up one of the girls at the bar... however once I did it... the girl actually opened my friend and asked him something.... I couldn't hear the conversation... but I noticed the friend next to her was isolated... so I knew I should I approach I noticed she had a necklace on and in I went
Me: what's that on your necklace a star or a snow flake
HB 7: (eyes a bit glazed and a look of confusion) what??
Me: yeah what is that seriously
HB 7: its a flower!
Me: ohhh my bad..... it looks like a snow flake haha
HB 7: it is not (smiling at me)
Me: so whats your name?
HB 7: I'm HB 7 and you
Me: I'm (made up some fancy bs name) but just call me Jayer
HB 7: ohhhhhh what kind of name is that?
Me: (smiling at her) guess
Well again I decided to try and hang with this girl for a bit before just number closing her and getting out... I said excuse me and ordered water from the bar so I could get a good position in place.... my friend kept her friend occupied and mine actually invited me to help her finish part of a huge mixed drink she ordered... we shared the drink and talked..... I escalated kino on this girl like i never have before... putting my arms on her waist and talking into her ear... I then backed off a little to see if she leaned into me... it was fun... I even put my hands behind her neck and spoke into her ear..... It was a kino exhibition.... I then interjected the line "hey let me get your number before I forget" She was like "what do you mean before you forget?" I was like "yeah well you are looking to catch her train (she had to leave in like 20 mins to do that) so in case you have to run.... Well she took my phone and entered in her number but then she pulled it back from me and said "one condition.... do you remember my name" Well luckily I did (not always the case lol) and gave me the phone.... I continued talking to her and kinoing.... but now I was thinking Kiss closing.............. so i actually tried a few times to kiss her right then and there but she kept turning her cheek to me or backing off.... so I playfully kissed her on the cheek.... but after about the 3rd time I just said to her "you are terrible (somewhat playfully)" She responded "why???" I said "I just wanted to give you a little peck" She was like "I'm sorry I don't do that...." I said "what dont you do" She said "kiss guys I don't know"
Well ok I kinda backed off after this but continued the kino.... after a while her friend left to go outside to smoke... I stayed with her and tied to kiss her again because I thought maybe she didnt want to do it front of the friend.... still got nothing.... So then finally she was like "I have to go outside and find my friend.... but come outside with me" She grabbed my hand and we went outside.... I'm thinking again ok I gotta try the kiss close again...... again I got resistance..... but I kissed her on both cheeks and told her I'd text her... I asked if she was going to respond and she (in a playful manner) no... but I did end up texting her like a half hour later saying "it was nice meeting you. hope you got your train on time"
She texted me back "you too and I did thank u"
Then she sent me another text "my train went close to where you live, you should have come with me"
I texted her back "I'll give you a call soon and we'll make plans"
That was it.........
So I went back into the bar where my friends were and there was another 2 set by the bar..... I went up to the bar next to one and ordered water... I noticed the girl next to me had a few bracelets on.... but she was engaged in convo with her friend... I waited for a break and I said to her
Me: wow you sure wear a lot of bracelets
HB 6: (turning to me then smiling) what... its only 2 see
Me: ohhh you are right... this one is big (grabbing her wrist) I thought it was like 3
HB 6: nope haha
Me: whats your name?
Hb 6: I'm HB 6 and you are?
Me: Jayer... similar kinda haha
Well I did the usual, it turns out the girl is originall from north carolina but is studying fashion here.... one thing was though as in the previous case that I didn't mention is that I lied about my age... I said I was 25 but I'm a bit older... here's how it went down here
Me: can I ask you a personal question?
HB 6: ok sure....
Me: how old are you?
HB 6: I'm 21 and you?
Me: haha I'm old trust me.. you'd get freaked out
HB 6: haha what... come on just tell me
Me: I'm 25
HB 6: ohh come on thats not old... I thought you were going to say 40...
blah blah blah blah
Me: well anyway I'm going to get going I think my friend is like down the block already
HB 6: oh ok
Me: it was nice meeting you though whats your number I'll give you a call
HB 6: its xxx-xxx-xxxx
I told her I'd call her soon and I asked if she got texts... I'd text her too
So I did my follow up text a bout 20 minutes later and that read "it was nice meeting you HB 6, talk soon! -Jayer
She responded a few minutes later "same here, I hope to see you soon!"
That was that....
So the last approach of the night and most craziest ever...... this is absolutely true.........
My friends and I were walking back to get a train when we passed a club and saw a 4 set of HB 7's coming out.... I noticed one was wearing like one of those japanese outfits... I smiled and said
Me: I like your costume
HB 7: thank you
Me: (stopping and going up to her) Is that japenese or chinese?
HB 7: its a (forget the word for those japanese things even now)
Thats cool...
Well next thing I know her friends come out and appear drunk as hell... one of them puts her arm around me and starts telling me she thinks Im cute... we even take a few cell phone pics together..... I tried to kiss her but she wouldn't kiss back and kind of did that same kiss defense I then asked for her number and she seemed about to give it to me but then she ran up to one of her friends... well they ended up inviting us to another bar they were going too... thinking we had a chance to hook up my friends and I agreed... in the cab I sat next to her and basically had my arms around her and rubbed her all over... when I got too close to certain areas she would move my hand away... But these girls also did these antics to other guys on the street before we got into the cab with them so they were either really drunk, just having fun, or both.... anyway I went again for the number while i was next to her and she gave it.... but then she kept saying we should buy them shots etc....... My friends and I basically concluded these girls were just using us for free drinks and decided they werent worth it.... They also flirted with other guys in the bar.... My friends ordered 4 shots of water and gave it to them... and they got kinda pissed... We ended up leaving...... My friend swore she gave me a fake number..... so I called right after we left and it was in fact real to my surprise as well.... That was pretty much that though....
So I will keep everyone posted on my follow ups..... I will also write a conclusion to this journey within the next or so...... I thank everyone for reading and supporting me
Statiscal Conclusion
Approaches 100
Numbers 62
Me: what's that on your necklace a star or a snow flake
HB 7: (eyes a bit glazed and a look of confusion) what??
Me: yeah what is that seriously
HB 7: its a flower!
Me: ohhh my bad..... it looks like a snow flake haha
HB 7: it is not (smiling at me)
Me: so whats your name?
HB 7: I'm HB 7 and you
Me: I'm (made up some fancy bs name) but just call me Jayer
HB 7: ohhhhhh what kind of name is that?
Me: (smiling at her) guess
Well again I decided to try and hang with this girl for a bit before just number closing her and getting out... I said excuse me and ordered water from the bar so I could get a good position in place.... my friend kept her friend occupied and mine actually invited me to help her finish part of a huge mixed drink she ordered... we shared the drink and talked..... I escalated kino on this girl like i never have before... putting my arms on her waist and talking into her ear... I then backed off a little to see if she leaned into me... it was fun... I even put my hands behind her neck and spoke into her ear..... It was a kino exhibition.... I then interjected the line "hey let me get your number before I forget" She was like "what do you mean before you forget?" I was like "yeah well you are looking to catch her train (she had to leave in like 20 mins to do that) so in case you have to run.... Well she took my phone and entered in her number but then she pulled it back from me and said "one condition.... do you remember my name" Well luckily I did (not always the case lol) and gave me the phone.... I continued talking to her and kinoing.... but now I was thinking Kiss closing.............. so i actually tried a few times to kiss her right then and there but she kept turning her cheek to me or backing off.... so I playfully kissed her on the cheek.... but after about the 3rd time I just said to her "you are terrible (somewhat playfully)" She responded "why???" I said "I just wanted to give you a little peck" She was like "I'm sorry I don't do that...." I said "what dont you do" She said "kiss guys I don't know"
Well ok I kinda backed off after this but continued the kino.... after a while her friend left to go outside to smoke... I stayed with her and tied to kiss her again because I thought maybe she didnt want to do it front of the friend.... still got nothing.... So then finally she was like "I have to go outside and find my friend.... but come outside with me" She grabbed my hand and we went outside.... I'm thinking again ok I gotta try the kiss close again...... again I got resistance..... but I kissed her on both cheeks and told her I'd text her... I asked if she was going to respond and she (in a playful manner) no... but I did end up texting her like a half hour later saying "it was nice meeting you. hope you got your train on time
"She texted me back "you too and I did thank u"
Then she sent me another text "my train went close to where you live, you should have come with me"
I texted her back "I'll give you a call soon and we'll make plans"
That was it.........
So I went back into the bar where my friends were and there was another 2 set by the bar..... I went up to the bar next to one and ordered water... I noticed the girl next to me had a few bracelets on.... but she was engaged in convo with her friend... I waited for a break and I said to her
Me: wow you sure wear a lot of bracelets
HB 6: (turning to me then smiling) what... its only 2 see
Me: ohhh you are right... this one is big (grabbing her wrist) I thought it was like 3
HB 6: nope haha
Me: whats your name?
Hb 6: I'm HB 6 and you are?
Me: Jayer... similar kinda haha
Well I did the usual, it turns out the girl is originall from north carolina but is studying fashion here.... one thing was though as in the previous case that I didn't mention is that I lied about my age... I said I was 25 but I'm a bit older... here's how it went down here
Me: can I ask you a personal question?
HB 6: ok sure....
Me: how old are you?
HB 6: I'm 21 and you?
Me: haha I'm old trust me.. you'd get freaked out
HB 6: haha what... come on just tell me
Me: I'm 25
HB 6: ohh come on thats not old... I thought you were going to say 40...
blah blah blah blah
Me: well anyway I'm going to get going I think my friend is like down the block already
HB 6: oh ok
Me: it was nice meeting you though whats your number I'll give you a call
HB 6: its xxx-xxx-xxxx
I told her I'd call her soon and I asked if she got texts... I'd text her too
So I did my follow up text a bout 20 minutes later and that read "it was nice meeting you HB 6, talk soon! -Jayer
She responded a few minutes later "same here, I hope to see you soon!"
That was that....
So the last approach of the night and most craziest ever...... this is absolutely true.........
My friends and I were walking back to get a train when we passed a club and saw a 4 set of HB 7's coming out.... I noticed one was wearing like one of those japanese outfits... I smiled and said
Me: I like your costume
HB 7: thank you
Me: (stopping and going up to her) Is that japenese or chinese?
HB 7: its a (forget the word for those japanese things even now)
Thats cool...
Well next thing I know her friends come out and appear drunk as hell... one of them puts her arm around me and starts telling me she thinks Im cute... we even take a few cell phone pics together..... I tried to kiss her but she wouldn't kiss back and kind of did that same kiss defense I then asked for her number and she seemed about to give it to me but then she ran up to one of her friends... well they ended up inviting us to another bar they were going too... thinking we had a chance to hook up my friends and I agreed... in the cab I sat next to her and basically had my arms around her and rubbed her all over... when I got too close to certain areas she would move my hand away... But these girls also did these antics to other guys on the street before we got into the cab with them so they were either really drunk, just having fun, or both.... anyway I went again for the number while i was next to her and she gave it.... but then she kept saying we should buy them shots etc....... My friends and I basically concluded these girls were just using us for free drinks and decided they werent worth it.... They also flirted with other guys in the bar.... My friends ordered 4 shots of water and gave it to them... and they got kinda pissed... We ended up leaving...... My friend swore she gave me a fake number..... so I called right after we left and it was in fact real to my surprise as well.... That was pretty much that though....
So I will keep everyone posted on my follow ups..... I will also write a conclusion to this journey within the next or so...... I thank everyone for reading and supporting me
Statiscal Conclusion
Approaches 100
Numbers 62
Igetit!
Moderator
* CONGRADULATIONS JAYER!!! *
100 approaches completed. Good job,man. Way to go. It was a bumpy road,a lot of highs and lows,a few dates,a LOT of flakes,but you hung in there and saw it through. It's weird man. I remember at one point where you had like,I don't know,what seemed like 15 or 20 flakes in a row. And now,out of your last 10 approaches,you went 9 for 10. How in the world did you pull that off?
I'm like Izza. He asked what would happen when you reached 100 approaches.
That's a good question. So,what now? I already know that you're going to continue to approach and meet other women,that won't end. I was just wondering if you going to continue to post them here,or in another thread.
I'm looking forward to reading your conclusion report. I want to see what kinds of insights and realizations you've aquired through your journey.
I know that you've learned more about women through your approaches,but I'm sure you've also learned more about yourself as well.
Anyway,congrats again man.
100 approaches completed. Good job,man. Way to go. It was a bumpy road,a lot of highs and lows,a few dates,a LOT of flakes,but you hung in there and saw it through. It's weird man. I remember at one point where you had like,I don't know,what seemed like 15 or 20 flakes in a row. And now,out of your last 10 approaches,you went 9 for 10. How in the world did you pull that off?
I'm like Izza. He asked what would happen when you reached 100 approaches.
That's a good question. So,what now? I already know that you're going to continue to approach and meet other women,that won't end. I was just wondering if you going to continue to post them here,or in another thread.
I'm looking forward to reading your conclusion report. I want to see what kinds of insights and realizations you've aquired through your journey.
I know that you've learned more about women through your approaches,but I'm sure you've also learned more about yourself as well.
Anyway,congrats again man.
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Reyaj
Master Don Juan
Igetit! said:
Thanks so much man. You have been one of my most ardent supporters and your encouragement along with others have helped spur this journey along. I am most definitely going to write a conclusion to this.... it will after I have the chance to read through the whole thing and really analyze everything that I want to. I assure that it will answer a lot of your questions.
It might take a little bit only because I want to see what (if anything) happens with the recent numbers I've gotten. That way my conclusions can be a bit more concrete with the complete sample pool I've gotten through my approaches.
I should have an update on it tomorrow.... then a few more throughout the next week or so. Look for my conclusion then.....
Reyaj
Master Don Juan
haha..... so time for an update... I'm laughing cause right now it aint looking good lol.... but that's ok.... its better to laugh about this then to get pissy like I've done in the past right?
Alright so anyways the girl from last Thursday.... I called on Sunday night... but it seemed like she hit the ignore button. A minute later I received a text from her which read "who is this" I responded back "its Jayer we met at xxxxxx last Thursday" She responded back pretty fast saying "oooo hey" I responded back with "I guess you aren't a phone person lol" She responded back "noo" So I responded back with "so how am I going to talk to you then lol" She did not respond! So a little while later I texted her "call me back, I don't bite you know" and nothing!
So the next morning I decided to do something indirect... I texted her "so I thought you were going to give me a hair cut" She responds "i can do that" I respond back "can you do a fade" she responds back "yes but im in class right now and i have a test ill text you on my lunch" I responded back "ok good luck" Well No response came! Today I texted her "don't forget to vote " absolutely nothing.... This is dead I am sure...
Ok so now onto the saturday girls..... so first the girl who said she was "seeing someone" Well yesterday I texted her in the afternoon and said "whats up" now I honestly didn't expect to hear anything since this girl is obviously taken to a degree but she responded back "not much you?" I responded back about a half hour later "just working. it was a little slow before so I felt like saying hi" She responded back "I'm a little under the weather today" I responded back "aw too much parting on saturday" She responded "so what brought you to the area" I responded back with "i was just hanging out with my friends we ended up leaving and going into the city later" She responded back "yea my sister did that too she left me" I responded back with "she left you by herself? lol" No response from her after that.... I then followed up about 15 mins later "Well I hope you feel better. I'll try and call you later before you sleep" Absolutely nothing....
Today I texted her "buenas dias, don't forget to vote!" NOTHING
Ok now onto the girl that I was kinoing like crazy... but resisted my kiss attempts but still was cool to me and gave me the digits etc...... So I text her yesterday "good morning" She responds back "hey whats up" I text back like hours later "just working hard lol, hows class" She texts me back "i can see that lol not so good i had a test today =(" I respond back "aw.. I guess thats what happens when u dont study and go to the city and meet cool guys like me lol" She responds back a bit later "haha yeah something like that" I respond back "I'll give you a call later" No response...... So last night I call the phone rings and no answer.... I wait about 10 minutes and then text "hey tried calling" Well about an hour later I recieve a text back "sorry i was studying for a test i have tomorrow and didnt hear the phone" I come back an hour later "well good luck on your test! it would be nice to talk to you soon " Nothing after that....
Ok so the North Carolina girl.... the one I predicted would be responsive lol..... boy was I dead wrong.... I called her last night it rang... and I got her voice mail... I did my follow up text 10 minutes later of "tried calling" Nothing..... So this morning I sent a text "so I thought girls from North Carolina were supposed to be nice lol..." Nothing!
The drunk party girl who flirted with everyone... we traded some bs texts yesterday... I said I was a secret admirer and made her guess who I am... then I sent her the picture of us taken on my cell phone of us kissing... I put I love hooking up... she texted me back saying "you are sick we kissed we didn't hook up" I asked for her myspace and she never gave it... I joked saying that the picture was going to be my default.............. Nothing... I then texted her today saying "don't forget to vote my soulmate" Nothing.... not that i care as this girl is clearly a hustling player...
But thats pretty much it... The HB Sorrority president girl and HB arab girl haven't been responsive this week... I just texted the sorrority girl saying "question" she texted me quick saying what's up? and then another text of what... but I haven't responded and I don't think I will........ So not much else going on really...
I won't do anything else to the girls i met this past weekend until tomorrow in which I will try 1 final phone call..... then I was place them to the back of the queue and put them on reserve to kick months down the road if I'm bored....
I hope I have better news on my next update!
Alright so anyways the girl from last Thursday.... I called on Sunday night... but it seemed like she hit the ignore button. A minute later I received a text from her which read "who is this" I responded back "its Jayer we met at xxxxxx last Thursday" She responded back pretty fast saying "oooo hey" I responded back with "I guess you aren't a phone person lol" She responded back "noo" So I responded back with "so how am I going to talk to you then lol" She did not respond! So a little while later I texted her "call me back, I don't bite you know
" and nothing!So the next morning I decided to do something indirect... I texted her "so I thought you were going to give me a hair cut" She responds "i can do that" I respond back "can you do a fade" she responds back "yes but im in class right now and i have a test ill text you on my lunch" I responded back "ok good luck
" Well No response came! Today I texted her "don't forget to vote " absolutely nothing.... This is dead I am sure...Ok so now onto the saturday girls..... so first the girl who said she was "seeing someone" Well yesterday I texted her in the afternoon and said "whats up" now I honestly didn't expect to hear anything since this girl is obviously taken to a degree but she responded back "not much you?" I responded back about a half hour later "just working. it was a little slow before so I felt like saying hi
" She responded back "I'm a little under the weather today" I responded back "aw too much parting on saturday" She responded "so what brought you to the area" I responded back with "i was just hanging out with my friends we ended up leaving and going into the city later" She responded back "yea my sister did that too she left me" I responded back with "she left you by herself? lol" No response from her after that.... I then followed up about 15 mins later "Well I hope you feel better. I'll try and call you later before you sleep" Absolutely nothing....Today I texted her "buenas dias, don't forget to vote!" NOTHING
Ok now onto the girl that I was kinoing like crazy... but resisted my kiss attempts but still was cool to me and gave me the digits etc...... So I text her yesterday "good morning" She responds back "hey whats up" I text back like hours later "just working hard lol, hows class" She texts me back "i can see that lol not so good i had a test today =(" I respond back "aw.. I guess thats what happens when u dont study and go to the city and meet cool guys like me lol" She responds back a bit later "haha yeah something like that" I respond back "I'll give you a call later" No response...... So last night I call the phone rings and no answer.... I wait about 10 minutes and then text "hey tried calling
" Well about an hour later I recieve a text back "sorry i was studying for a test i have tomorrow and didnt hear the phone" I come back an hour later "well good luck on your test! it would be nice to talk to you soon " Nothing after that....Ok so the North Carolina girl.... the one I predicted would be responsive lol..... boy was I dead wrong.... I called her last night it rang... and I got her voice mail... I did my follow up text 10 minutes later of "tried calling
" Nothing..... So this morning I sent a text "so I thought girls from North Carolina were supposed to be nice lol..." Nothing!The drunk party girl who flirted with everyone... we traded some bs texts yesterday... I said I was a secret admirer and made her guess who I am... then I sent her the picture of us taken on my cell phone of us kissing... I put I love hooking up... she texted me back saying "you are sick we kissed we didn't hook up" I asked for her myspace and she never gave it... I joked saying that the picture was going to be my default.............. Nothing... I then texted her today saying "don't forget to vote my soulmate
" Nothing.... not that i care as this girl is clearly a hustling player... But thats pretty much it... The HB Sorrority president girl and HB arab girl haven't been responsive this week... I just texted the sorrority girl saying "question" she texted me quick saying what's up? and then another text of what... but I haven't responded and I don't think I will........ So not much else going on really...
I won't do anything else to the girls i met this past weekend until tomorrow in which I will try 1 final phone call..... then I was place them to the back of the queue and put them on reserve to kick months down the road if I'm bored....
I hope I have better news on my next update!
Igetit!
Moderator
What's up Jayer,
Oh great. It looks like some of the numbers you got are flaking. No big deal,there are plenty of fish in the sea. Hey man,check this out: there's a thread on here by a member named Lust called "Interest vs Investment:reduce flaking and have her chase you". I read it the other day and it is very,very insightful. I know that you've been trying to solve this flaking problem during your journal for a while,and I honestly believe that this thread will GREATLY help you out. I'm ashamed to say this,but I don't know how to post links yet,(I'm still learning about all the things here at Sosuave),so bare with me. I can't post the link,but unless I'm mistaken,I think it's on the second or third page of the Discussion Forum.
Take a look at it. It talks about the difference between interest and investment,and how interest comes and goes,but women chase investment.
It's very enlightening,and I think you'll be able to add a bit more knowledge to what you've already learned from your approach journal.
Peace man.
Oh great. It looks like some of the numbers you got are flaking. No big deal,there are plenty of fish in the sea. Hey man,check this out: there's a thread on here by a member named Lust called "Interest vs Investment:reduce flaking and have her chase you". I read it the other day and it is very,very insightful. I know that you've been trying to solve this flaking problem during your journal for a while,and I honestly believe that this thread will GREATLY help you out. I'm ashamed to say this,but I don't know how to post links yet,(I'm still learning about all the things here at Sosuave),so bare with me. I can't post the link,but unless I'm mistaken,I think it's on the second or third page of the Discussion Forum.
Take a look at it. It talks about the difference between interest and investment,and how interest comes and goes,but women chase investment.
It's very enlightening,and I think you'll be able to add a bit more knowledge to what you've already learned from your approach journal.
Peace man.
