I don't know whether to laugh or cry.....

[aliasguy]

And, BTW -------- SEVEN PERCENT??????


C'mon, we differ from chimps by only ONE percent.


I think you're either misinformed or making stuff up, dude!!!

 

[Gerard-890]

Guys here's a suggestion.

I think a lot of people here may have a bad perception of women in general and it can become literally difficult for one woman to be all things.

I personally had a problem with women when I wasn't as "attractive" but once I got that area taken care of, women seem to be more accepting, caring, towards me.

However, I think the major problem in relationships today is the realization that YOU aren't the only attractive person in the universe and your woman has OPTIONS.

Options that go above and beyond you and your level of Attraction. We must understand this just AS women have. We have just as MANY options as women do also, so the shoe fits on both feet.

Again, I think if you want to eliminate the option of having your partner see you as a commodity and easily replaceable, is to have a deeper connection and REASON for being together. This is a bond that isn't easily replaced, and thus estimates a longer relationship timeframe.

 

[Gerard-890]

The Humanist,

You don't see a lot of the "insanity" that Str8up sees for two reasons:

1.) Str8up's internal thinking processes and beliefs are mainly that women aren't very high quality in relationship material. Thus, as a self-reinforcing action, he will start to notice a lot of women "flaws" and these "flaws" will reinforce his own internal belief.

2.) Some women are diffently missed up you can say, and maybe you just haven't been revealed to them yet.

The entire point of this however, is that women are neither good nor bad. You sexually attract a good girl just as you do a bad one (just like a sexually attractive woman attracts good and bad men), we have to BECOME sexually attractive then become SELECTIVE in WHO we choose to mate with.

Str8up doesn't HAVE TO MATE with the girls he doesn't think are high quality enough for a relationship, so why does he keep mating with them?

We have to sit down and determine what we expect our relationship partners to be, if the girl in question lacks one of our qualifications then sorry, but NEXT.

But so sit here and say, "All women are evil," doesn't HURT women it actually HURTS YOU. I mean, YOU will be the one sitting there with your arms folded with this flawed belief while the girls that fit what you are looking for is staring at you across the room thinking to themselves, "Why doesn't The Humanist or Str8up come and talk to me?"

 

[ketostix]

Several issues are going on here... I know this thread is getting deep, but I think that's a good thing.

However, the time for the kiddy bullsh!t is over. It's time to pull out the stops and explain what's going on, but that means this may seem way too confusing... oh well.

A good number of posters on this thread woke up from the Matrix... but the job's not done. Brush yourselves off, and look around... have you only woken up to yet another Matrix? Yes that's right: a Matrix within the Matrix.

Many wisdom traditions understand this problem: awakening may not come all at once, and we may find ourselves only at a higher level but still living in a World of Illusions.

Most women live in some lower level of the matrix within a matrix within a matrix, etc. etc. This is the REAL reason they select bad boys over good men: they live in a World of Illusion and have embraced the false values of that world.

The real reason most women and men are evil azzholes are because they are ignorant that they even live in a World of Illusion. Psychology shows us that ignorance makes people more self-confidant than ability/wisdom does (the Dunning-Kruger effect). As though we needed a study to prove this! "A fool thinks he is wise and the wise man knows he is a fool!"

Meanwhile, in the Real World, where Darwinian selection is working it's hand we can see what the so-called 'bad boys' are actually doing - they are Faking Fitness in the mate selection.

Pook might say that 'bad boys pretend to be a Man, and the women fall for it'.

From the Book of Dangerous Ideas:



Fast food and porn are part of the World of Illusion. As a human being, one's ultimate goal is to make healthy babies... jerking off to porn doesn't help in the slightest.

More from the Book of Dangerous Ideas:



Fitness faking... aka bullsh!tting people, grows faster than our resistance to it. This is an arms race of illusion versus reality. You're here because in that race, reality is winning out for you.

This is the Great Temptation for many people - to shape their subjective reality to provide the cues of survival and reproductive success without the substance. Why master Shakespeare when I can just zone out in front of the Sci-Fi channel? Even within my own lifetime the worst it will probably do to me is give me a big gut and nagging wife.

We can see in our own time how extinction can happen gradually. In the West the so-called 'intelligent' have fewer babies, and focus more on bullsh!t than on having children. (See the movie Idiocracy.)

But variations in personality might allow some people to resist the Great Temptation and last longer. Those who persist will develop more self-control, conscientiousness, and pragmatism. They will develop a horror of virtual entertainment, psychoactive drugs, and contraception. They will stress the values of hard work, delayed gratification, child-rearing, and environmental stewardship. They will look like some crazy combination of conservative / libertarian / capitalist / who likes trees.*

Thus spake the book of Dangerous Ideas:



The irony of the 21st Century is that those among us who are least likely to believe in Darwinian evolution are those who serve it best. Those conservatives, West and Middle-East, who don't give a sh!t about what Brittany or her slvtty sister are doing will be making babies and setting public policy long after the Slvts in the City or the Desperate HouseWh0res are long gone and forgotten.


*I totally ripped these ideas off this guy: http://www.edge.org/q2006/q06_9.html scroll down to Geoffrey Miller.

You know what, this is some of the best stuff I've read here. I think you pretty much explained why women do what they do. And I totally agree that there are people even on this forum who are in matrix with the Matrix.

ignorance makes people more self-confidant than ability/wisdom does

So true, I see the most ignorant of guys with the most desirable girls.

 

[STR8UP]

You know what?

Two years ago I wouldn't be posting this crap. I was living like a rock star. When you have distractions such as that kind of lifestyle, you don't tend to notice the cesspool around you, because you are involved in the MOMENT, nothing else matters but the latest shiny trinket to keep your attention off what is really going on.

Then reality gave me a slap in the face.

It's great to have those kinds of distractions, but it's all a FANTASY. It plants you firmly in the matrix. And when you're in it, you don't see it. Then things swing back around and those distractions go away and you look around and the tide has gone out, exposing a barren, rocky beach that was once hidden by crystal blue water.

And although I have only lived through a few years out of the past few hundred, from what I can tell there is a big difference between the way relationships worked years ago and the way they work today.

Nowadays we need each other for the reproductive cells, that's about it. Everything else is icing on the cake. With government assistance and whatnot women don't NEED to have a man by their side to ensure survival. I still firmly believe that women do SEEK a man who she believes can protect and provide for her. That's what ATTRACTS her. But in the back of her mind she KNOWS that she really doesn't NEED a man to do any of that for her, so he is treated as expendable. She cheats and gets caught? So what? It isn't like she's gonna starve. There are very few consequences to people's actions so they do whatever they want. Women will ALWAYS be programmed to breed, but at the same time they have never had more flexibility to exercise their options. Screw one guy over and there are ten more waiting to kiss your feet.

Must be nice!

 

[STR8UP]

And I totally agree that there are people even on this forum who are in matrix with the Matrix..

I think most people here have at least gotten through the initial layer, but there are several more to go through. I feel like I have gotten through more than one because i see things so differently than even a lot of people here.

When people talk about "quality" women, women who don't go to bars, women who don't lie and cheat and won't screw you over.....I know they haven't made it very far past that first layer.

By no means do I believe that I am "on the other side". There are still MORE layers. That's why I'm having these crazy assed meltdowns. Some things still kind of surprise me. Some things still aren't 100% clear.

At this point I think I would be much happier stepping back into the matrix and forgetting about a lot of this bullsh!t, if it weren't for the fact that I'm in so deep.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

but its idealism that brings about nihilism. when the world can't be the way you think it should 'ideally' be.

I disagree, but not because I think you're wrong about idealism. I work very hard to be as structured and pragmatic as possible when it comes to dealing with "how things are" in the real world. I'm not trying to gloss myself here, but I feel I make an effort to think as critcally as possible that most people are simply too lazy or too comfortable to attempt. So when I offer up advice, or when my opinion is asked for, I try as well as I can to be pragmatic about it; that is, expect the best, but prepare for the worst. This gets me into a LOT of trouble with people who are too comfortable to follow my line of thinking. It takes too much effort for them to explore new ideas and then think about them critically even when trying to understand my own viewpoint. I usually get "damn RT, you over analyze things too much" or "what a cynic/pessimist you are" when in fact my being a pragmatist and efficient makes them uncomfortable. I didn't say "realist" because, first, it's an over-used to rationalize opptomisim and pessimisim, and second, we're all realists when you think about it, we just apply ourselves based on personal experiences differently.

So as a result of my desire to be pragmatic, I deal with a lot of frustration when people I try to help cannot or will not see the value of the efforts I've made. My experience with this often turns into a "why the ƒuck do I bother?" dynamic with me, not because I harbor some perfectionist ideal that everyone 'should' see my help as gospel truth, but rather that there's no effort made on someone else's part to try to grasp, much less apply what I can offer. I like discourse because it sharpens my understanding of the subject as well as how others perceive it and allows me the freedom to re-think things I may not have considered, but it's the hopelessness of trying to enlighten people too lazy to make an effort that's frustrating. I know I joke about LoveShack.org in this sense, but the real scary thing about that forum is that it's chock full of people who have no questions. Questions don't scare me, people who have none do.

its kind of like wishing that woman's p*ssy tasted like apple pie.

I rather like the "original" scent and flavor, but that's another post,..

 

[joekerr31]

I know I joke about LoveShack.org in this sense, but the real scary thing about that forum is that it's chock full of people who have no questions. Questions don't scare me, people who have none do.

what's the saying? something like in every crisis there lies opportunity.

the very thing that frustrates you could end up making you a millionaire. the very laziness and ignorance of most people could lead to them all shelling out 30 bucks for your book.

 

[STR8UP]

My experience with this often turns into a "why the ƒuck do I bother?" dynamic with me, not because I harbor some perfectionist ideal that everyone 'should' see my help as gospel truth, but rather that there's no effort made on someone else's part to try to grasp, much less apply what I can offer.

With me I start getting the "why the fukk do i bother" attitude toward women when I observe their behavior when it comes to dating. It's like they KNOW that they are playing a game where everyone wins a prize, so they could care less about the consequences of their actions.

One guy stops giving her attention and she KNOWS there are plenty more AFC's she can beFRIEND to fill her validation tank.

 

[Latinoman]

Went out with some friends tonite.

My one friend brought along a couple. Seemed happy enough. Nice enough guy. The girl was pretty and had a pleasant demeanor.

Oddly, I sensed that this chick was vibing me. Maybe not even vibing me, but sending out "availability signals". She WAS with her b/f, but you know when you just get that feeling......

For some reason during the night I had two people tell me I look exhausted. One of them happened to be another poster from this site that I ran into at a club, Deep Dish. The other was my female friend I went out with tonite.

so the end of the nite rolls around, we all go to get some pizza, and the chick from the couple comes up to me and tells me I look "sad". I told her I was just a little worn out, and she proceeds to tell me, "You know what you need? You need a husband and a boyfriend".

I was like WTF?????

At that point she looked around to make sure her b/f wasn't within earshot, and then she clarifies saying "well in your case maybe it's the opposite, a wife and a g/f".

So here we are walking back toward my place, and I quietly ask my lady friend if this chick (her friend) really has a b/f and a husband. Well I guess indeed she does! and the funny thing is, it's New Years and the guy she was with was the b/f! Walking down the street holding hands....her talking about how he was gonna fukk her silly later on.......

I dunno. I think I'm spent. I don't hold anything against this girl cause i see this sh!t happening every day, but at the same time it's simply another nail in the coffin for the idea of being able to maintain a decent relationship with a woman.

I've just about given up on the idea that MAYBE there might be one or two decent women out there who are honest and have integrity. It just seems like everywhere I look it's nothing but lying, cheating, and manipulative b!tches.

You guys can pretend all you want that the world is full of wonderful people ready to bend over backwards for you, but I see differently. ESPECIALLY when it comes to women.

Good luck with it all fellas. I'm giving up for awhile. Maybe I'll catch up with this stuff later. Until then, peace out.

If you start associating yourself with better people...then everything else will fall into place.

 

[Luthor Rex]

And, BTW -------- SEVEN PERCENT??????


C'mon, we differ from chimps by only ONE percent.


I think you're either misinformed or making stuff up, dude!!!

Percentages are weird, and you can't compare them directly with one another.

There are more differences within a 'race' than between 'races'. There is a greater amount of difference between men and women then there is between humans and chimps.

But that doesn't mean chimps are more like us than women are.

 

[ketostix]

But that doesn't mean chimps are more like us than women are.

Sometimes I wonder though .

 

[Luthor Rex]

I have to ask, why don't I see the level of insanity Str8up sees and see many couple still together and seem happy or at least not going some Deperate Housewives level of infidelity?

Sample bias?

I live near several large cities and around a lot of white trash. Those people won't be living the same lives as small town farmers.

Maybe he's looked into the issue more. Or maybe he can just "see" patterns of behavior easier than most people, more empathic etc.. Or he's finally cracking up?

Could be a lot of things.

 

[guru1000]

Let's look at the bottomline.

The foundation of this post is the RESULT OF MUCH REJECTION.

The "Why the F do i bother" attitude develops from FAILURE , then the question "why do I give this so much attention and power in my life when all I get out of it is misery and rejection."

With no positive results and much effort, it is natural to feel FRUSTRATED.

What I say STR8UP, instead of beating a dead horse, do what is preached here a million times. Stop pursuing, and build yourself up. You have a business and are ambitious. You are good in that area. How is your physical fitness? Are you in shape? Are you lean? Do girls turn their heads when you walk by? If not, focus on that area.

Physical conditioning enhances your looks exponentially. And let's face it, looks are very important to women as they are important to us. It amazes me sometimes how much abuse a woman puts up with just because you are sexually desireable.

You would not be frustrated if women were actively pursuing you as you told them "Sorry sweetheart, not today". Your mindset would be different as would your life.

Be SUCCESSFUL in every area. Not just one or two. Stop pursuing. Build yourself up and let them pursue you.

 

[Luthor Rex]

You would not be frustrated if women were actively pursuing you as you told them "Sorry sweetheart, not today". Your mindset would be different as would your life.

Riddle me this: Why would a real Superman be lonely?

Answer: Because there is no one else like him.

It doesn't matter how hot that piece of azz is, if she's not like you on the inside then you'll still be lonely.

Oh sure, you may even get famous: "omg STR8UP just cheated on Hayden Panettiere with Vanessa Anne Hudgens".

The Ugly Duckling was alone because he was actually a swan living with ducks. He needed to be among his own kind, he needed to be with his peers.

What if STR8UP is a swan among ducks?



...


Wow that sounded gay...

 

[aliasguy]

Percentages are weird, and you can't compare them directly with one another.

There are more differences within a 'race' than between 'races'. There is a greater amount of difference between men and women then there is between humans and chimps.

But that doesn't mean chimps are more like us than women are.

Ha ha.....Ok, man. Whatever. I have NO way of answering this. More difference within "races" than between them? I don't think "race" is at issue here.

Yet, more differences between women and men than between humans and chimps? Ok. Happy New Year.


More made up stuff. Where do you GET this data?


And, btw, what is your point, here?

 

[aliasguy]

Some people sensitive to "race" issues might respond negatively to the "chimp" thing, Luthor Rex.

Be careful.

 

[STR8UP]

If you start associating yourself with better people...then everything else will fall into place.

Really man, I do appreciate your input, but you're off base.

 

[STR8UP]

Let's look at the bottomline.

The foundation of this post is the RESULT OF MUCH REJECTION.

The "Why the F do i bother" attitude develops from FAILURE , then the question "why do I give this so much attention and power in my life when all I get out of it is misery and rejection."

With no positive results and much effort, it is natural to feel FRUSTRATED.

What I say STR8UP, instead of beating a dead horse, do what is preached here a million times. Stop pursuing, and build yourself up. You have a business and are ambitious. You are good in that area. How is your physical fitness? Are you in shape? Are you lean? Do girls turn their heads when you walk by? If not, focus on that area.

Physical conditioning enhances your looks exponentially. And let's face it, looks are very important to women as they are important to us. It amazes me sometimes how much abuse a woman puts up with just because you are sexually desireable.

You would not be frustrated if women were actively pursuing you as you told them "Sorry sweetheart, not today". Your mindset would be different as would your life.

Be SUCCESSFUL in every area. Not just one or two. Stop pursuing. Build yourself up and let them pursue you.

I hold my own with women, that's not the issue.

And I don't pursue women. I will put minimal effort into something if it seems to have any promise, but I don't actively recruit.

And I don't care how many women are after me at any given time, they all have fatal flaws. Not just REGULAR flaws, I'm talking deal breaker stuff. I have only met a small handful of girls in my entire life that passed with flying colors, and I haven't ran across one in YEARS.

 

[ketostix]

I have only met a small handful of girls in my entire life that passed with flying colors, and I haven't ran across one in YEARS.

Why does it seem so hard for some to get your point of there being so few girls that meet the criteria of being acceptable? I guess if you criteria is only the girl has to meet a baseline level of attractiveness and put out for you, then most guys wouldn't be disappointed.