I don't know whether to laugh or cry.....

[wjh]

STR8UP,

I've recently felt similarly about "quality" women (for lack of a better word)

I've resolved myself to accept the possibility that there simply won't be any woman near-perfect in my life. Ever. I may struggle with this notion for a while. But I think there is something to be gained from this. Kind of like a weight being lifted off my shoulders.

It may not be because I'm not a great guy, or down-right ugly, but because of the seemingly random roll-of-the-dice life seems to be. If I die tomorrow, or tonight, it's over without any greater meaning. I'm simply dead.

Where do women come into play? Well, since this is my life, I do the absolute best I can given my circumstances - I don't cut myself short. If a woman comes along, for whatever reason, and can be utilized for whatever reason, then that is all I can hope for. All I can hope for is that I don't constrict myself into not realizing my full potential. Everything else is out of our control.

If it were a different time... If women were like this from another country... If our feminized culture didn't reward emasculating men...

I don't see any other way. I think accepting this as a reality has made my life more rewarding recently.

 

[STR8UP]

I've resolved myself to accept the possibility that there simply won't be any woman near-perfect in my life. Ever. I may struggle with this notion for a while. But I think there is something to be gained from this. Kind of like a weight being lifted off my shoulders.

I don't want a goddamned angel, I want a real woman who isn't drunk on power. One who recognizes the value a REAL man can bring to her life.

 

[Latinoman]

Really man, I do appreciate your input, but you're off base.

You are associating yourself with a woman that has a very good female friend that is married and still showcases her boyfriend. I don't know...but both are garbage.

 

[wjh]

I don't want a goddamned angel, I want a real woman who isn't drunk on power. One who recognizes the value a REAL man can bring to her life.

And what value are you speaking of? Surely, if you want a woman who recognizes that "value" of a "real" man you must hold some semblance of it... Can you please describe it to me?

 

[Latinoman]

i honestly think str8ups only real problem is the crowd he hangs around. due to the nature of his business he's around a lot of 'models'. with regards to the party crowd we get stories of strippers, swingers, finger chics who have boyfriends in the hot tube, having dinner with ex's who are getting married, etc.

i don't hear any stories of 'hey guys, i met this lady who works at the book store and we went for coffee.' or 'i met this nurse and we spent the day at the museum.' or 'i joined this yoga class and met this chic who is a school teacher.'

i dont hear any of that. all i hear is i went to this party and all the women were skanks.

i know str8up disagrees, but i think 95% of his problems have to do with the people he is exposed to on a regularly basis.

I totally agree with you and RedPill.

 

[STR8UP]

I totally agree with you and RedPill.

Coming from a guy who can't be without an LTR for more than 10 minutes...I can't take that for face value. i'm outa here. My development is stunted due to misunderstanding of circumstances. I would love some constructive input but if all anyone can say is "Your problem stems from hanging out with the wrong crowd", that does nothing for me. My core group of friends are normal as they come. I'm not buying any of this bullsh!t for a second. 99% of you guys are on here for the same reason as I am....trying to figure out why the vast, vast majority of women are undateable.

I give up.

 

[wjh]

I'm not on here trying to figure out why the vast majority of women are undateable lol. There is no "VAST" majority here. Only a few posting and discussing.

As for myself, I'm trying to better my life so things are easier. To fall better in my favor. That's just the way it is.

I agree with redpill's assessment.

Good luck STR8UP, you sound really, really beat.

 

[Gerard-890]

Continual, sense-less, low quality "whining" from the "Senior" Don Juans. It's nasty and awful, and quite simply stinks.

Somebody needs to respond to Interceptor's last reply.

Str8up has mentioned many times throughout this thread how he has not had time to meet as many women, but then he says that women are either "princesses" "independent, goal oriented career women" "attention wh0res" or "emotional basketcases".

What the hell kind of BELIEF SYSTEM is that?

Then it "so happens" that he goes out with some guys and sees EXACTLY what the hell he believes. Then he gets stood up by a girl.

You know, I don't believe in magic but I believe in common sense, either the opportunity is THERE or it's NOT.

When you have an opportunity like you do today with women, and decide to adopt a Str8up belief system, you will continually be in pain and sorrow because instead of realizing that THERE ARE GREAT WOMEN OUT THERE, you instead say, THERE'S NO HOPE.

Your feelings are a result of your thoughts, your feelings dictate your choices. Your choices dictate whether you succeed or fail.

If you want to follow Str8up's belief system, you will be on this forum talking about how women are "bad" for many more years.

A life gone to hell.

 

[joekerr31]

Coming from a guy who can't be without an LTR for more than 10 minutes...I can't take that for face value. i'm outa here. My development is stunted due to misunderstanding of circumstances. I would love some constructive input but if all anyone can say is "Your problem stems from hanging out with the wrong crowd", that does nothing for me. My core group of friends are normal as they come. I'm not buying any of this bullsh!t for a second. 99% of you guys are on here for the same reason as I am....trying to figure out why the vast, vast majority of women are undateable.

I give up.

str8up....

first, everyone here is highly supportive of you. their opinions are, just that, their opinions. if you want to reframe people giving their opinions with the INTENT of being of assistance into 'bullsh*t' that's your choice.

second, how can you fault us for having the opinion we do when what we've heard 99% of the time are stories of you getting upset at chics who acted slutty at some party?

thirdly, you are burnt out man. and its not just the job. i'm beginning to think you're going through a mini mid life crisis. you've hit a certain age and life hasn't turned out as you wanted (you've been betrayed by a close friend who stole your money, you can't find the woman you want, etc.) - and as such you sound mentally and emotionally drained.

and while i understand that you aren't interested, or believe in, my recent posts on having a positive outlook on life regardless of your circumstances, i do hope that at some point they become pallitable to you.

because while your life isn't perfect right now, its not to bad (if you could have heard the screaming coming from my neighbours house today you'd appreciate that being single ain't the worse thing in the world ) (poor guy's wife is like 100 pounds overweight and they were screaming at each other like you would not believe!). the only unbalanced part of the equation, i believe, is your pessimism regarding human nature and women - but even more importantly pessimism over the future, over what waits around the next corner. and like i say, i know i'm not going to change that any time soon for sure.

anyway dude, regardless of how you feel, most people here have nothing but your best interest at heart.

 

[Latinoman]

Coming from a guy who can't be without an LTR for more than 10 minutes...I can't take that for face value. i'm outa here. My development is stunted due to misunderstanding of circumstances. I would love some constructive input but if all anyone can say is "Your problem stems from hanging out with the wrong crowd", that does nothing for me. My core group of friends are normal as they come. I'm not buying any of this bullsh!t for a second. 99% of you guys are on here for the same reason as I am....trying to figure out why the vast, vast majority of women are undateable.

I give up.

I am a fisherman. I don't do the "condom" sex stuff. And in order to have sex without condom, I MUST be very selective. The circle of women I interact tend to be educated, with a level of values, and high quality. Furthermore, I work (and live near) one of the cities that has the greatest amount of 25+ year old women with at least a bachelors degree...and one of the cities with a considerable amount of single women outnumbering single males.

I don't hang out with strippers or drunks or shaddy skanky people. As I'm a firm believer that we should be judged by the type of people we hang out with.

I pretty much apply RedPill approach and still gives me a good number of good women. Then I hunt. I hunt in the train station or the park or library or anywhere. And I have been succesful to the point that once a relationship ends...I find another within weeks. And here is the thing...when you find QUALITY women...you try to hold unto them as we all know it is hard to find them. I am good at finding them and that's why i get into relationships. And what's the advantage of relationships with quality women? It allows me to focus on other important things such as my career and my kids. And of course...the great CONDONless sex too.

Your problem is that you are too busy and the time you are not busy...you use it to socialite with people that gravitate around skanky women.

I have news for you...there are MORE quality women out there (by men definition) than quality men (by women definition).

 

[Gerard-890]

JoeKerr I don't think Str8up is going through a mid-life crisis, I think he has the wrong internal views. His views are that women are great for f u c ks, but as far as being trustworthy, loyal, dependable, someone I can "trust," someone I don't have to play "games" with to be around....he doesn't see women like that.

Matter of fact, he sees being with women as sort of being in a "battle," where he's either always being "s h it tested" or "women will get him one day" or something like that.

He can't take off his shoes, relax, be himself, and STILL have a woman there caring, supporting, and nurturing him at the end of the day.

And you know why? It's not because all women aren't good.

It's because the women he's choosing AREN'T ready to DO all of that stuff. Hell, some women just want to get laid and MOVE ON, they don't want to be there supporting you and caring about you. I mean come on.

Str8up's own internal belief system is causing him to go and talk with the SAME types of women that CONTINUE to do this to him.

He needs to change his internal thought process and views, then his VISIBILITY over the DIFFERENT TYPES of women in the field will change. He can feel which women are better to sarge and which ones aren't.

You can't do this properly with a f'ed up internal belief process that he has.

 

[Latinoman]

Get some time off. Travel a little...go to Europe or even the Caribbean. Heck...go to another state and simply relax.

 

[joekerr31]

When you have an opportunity like you do today with women, and decide to adopt a Str8up belief system, you will continually be in pain and sorrow because instead of realizing that THERE ARE GREAT WOMEN OUT THERE, you instead say, THERE'S NO HOPE.

even more importantly.... let us say that str8up is correct. let us say that all women are total sh*t.

ok. that's reality. it doesn't then mean that you have to suffer!

this thought process that without a good woman at your side your life must be one of suffering is foolish. its as arbitrary a desire as saying if you don't own a BMW your life will be one of suffering.

the reason we make women so important is so that we don't have to deal with the great existential issues of existing. life really isn't about 'anything' - its just an experience, that's it, that's all.

but people can't handle that. it HAS to be about something otherwise one will suffer horribly. and so, people make it about 'women' and the search for 'the one', etc.

but the truth is, being happy is merely a state of mind. there is NO woman on this planet who is saintly enough to MAKE you happy. ya, some woman may do so for 2, 6, 12, or 18 months, but at some point the shine wears off. and even to the extent that she makes you happy, its through no doing of her own, merely the result of your attraction to her.

anyway, the biggest issue in life is to learn how to be happy irrespective of your surroundings, what you've gone through, what people have done to you, etc.

str8up is too smart not to see this at some point.

 

[guru1000]

Yo Str8up,

Women flake because they are not interested.

Lower your standards my man. Stop shooting for the stars. There are plenty of quality women out there. You are just not attracted to them.

If you want LOOKS and QUALITY, then you are in a very competive environment. Do you want to compete?

Then look your best.

Diet and Weight Training.

There is no magic formula. It is very simple.

 

[lookyoung]

STR8UP I feel that your problem is that your on a cold streak with woman. Don't worry we all go through them. Your attitude lately really stinks.

I don't know about everyone else here but I am going to call it like I see it, and I think Str8UP Needs some pu$$y.

 

[joekerr31]

JoeKerr I don't think Str8up is going through a mid-life crisis, I think he has the wrong internal views. His views are that women are great for f u c ks, but as far as being trustworthy, loyal, dependable, someone I can "trust," someone I don't have to play "games" with to be around....he doesn't see women like that.

He needs to change his internal thought process and views, then his VISIBILITY over the DIFFERENT TYPES of women in the field will change. He can feel which women are better to sarge and which ones aren't.

You can't do this properly with a f'ed up internal belief process that he has.

i agree. although i do think he's in a bit of a melt down that is about much more than just women.

unfortunately this is a chicken and egg scenario. because str8up has given up on the notion that there are good women out there, the only hope he has of meeting one is if she falls in his lap. then, maybe, he might start to believe again.

but right now he's had too many bad experiences and refuses to believe that there are trust worthy women out there.

but life is a funny thing. often times its our darkest hours that lead us to our brightest moments. who knows, str8up may hit rock bottom and end up completely retooling his life as a result.

i know this much, at some point the pessimism is goign to have to go. pessimism is a young mans game. when your 22 and the body is still fresh, testosterone is pumping through your viens, its fine to be a rebel without a cause.

but when your 50 and still thinking that life sucks, you are wasting your life. i mean, who knows, maybe life does suck - but i know this much, it is possible (cuz lots of people do it - and no, not just the stupid ones) to find happiness even if life sucks. because no matter how much life sucks, YOU are always in control of your attitude.

 

[STR8UP]

I'm real close to ducking out of this whole thing altogether and finding something more constructive to do with my time other than arguing semantics with a bunch of people on an internet board that's all about arguing semantics. What's the point? I know the deal. Now it's all about trying to convince half the people out there that women are pretty much the same at their core.

I was out tonight with some female friends, one of them who is dead set on finding me a "good" woman. Then her coworker or whatever she was comes up with all of this "women are superior" bullsh!t and I just wanted to slap the sh!t out of her. If it weren't for the dozen or so AFC's orbiting around her all night she might have just gotten a little piece of my mind, FWIW. Yea, just because you have a pu$$y that means that men should BOW to you. Well that ain't me. Good luck with it all.

 

[joekerr31]

STR8UP I feel that your problem is that your on a cold streak with woman. Don't worry we all go through them. Your attitude lately really stinks.

I don't know about everyone else here but I am going to call it like I see it, and I think Str8UP Needs some pu$$y.

haha, i don't think p*ssy is what he needs right now.

i honestly think none of this is really about women. i think its about 'life' and he's simply using 'women' as a thing that he can project all his negative emotions on.

i think he feels 'ripped off' in life and is mad as hell about it. and i think he thinks the only thing that could make up for how much he's been screwed over in life is if he had a great chic. but making that the 'solution' then only makes him feel even MORE ripped off cuz he can't get even that.

his issues towards women are merely a symptom of deeper feelings of anger he has towards life in general.

the guy is a smart guy - unfortunately being smart can sometimes keep you stuck going down the wrong path because you are so convinced that your analysis of the situation is correct.

 

[joekerr31]

Now it's all about trying to convince half the people out there that women are pretty much the same at their core.

well thats an open ended debate. its never going to be settled. if you go into such a debate expecting it to be resolved youll only get frustrated.

what worries me about you is the degree to which it bothers you. it seems to be REALLY upsetting you. and that is not good.

the reality is, i believe, that the answers to life are within us. nothing externally will ever be enough to make you happy with life.

look at owen wilson. look at britney spears (who is currently under 72 hour watch in a mental ward). they had everything and they still fell apart. because while their external world had everythign they could ever desire, their internal world was a mess.

i really hope you take some time to destress and focus on you instead of women for a while.

 

[Gerard-890]

I will research a good read for Str8up but it's the stuff in his head. I mean seriously listen to his words:

"I was out tonight with some female friends, one of them who is dead set on finding me a "good" woman. "

HE should be in control of WHO he talks to and WHEN he talks to them, not somebody else. So right there that's a symptom of a lack of total self and life control.

"Then her coworker or whatever she was comes up with all of this "women are superior" bullsh!t, I just wanted to slap the sh!t out of her."

SLAP?? And I was paranoid about a woman putting me in jail in a previous thread?

What is Str8up smoking, women say all kinds of things that mean nothing lol. The woman was probably joking around having a great time, and since we know SOME PEOPLE aren't having a great time these days, I guess he got offended? Are you kidding me?

What about this, I'm breaking this down piece by piece,

"Yea, just because you have a pu$$y that means that men should BOW to you. Well that ain't me. Good luck with it all."

Bitterness too? What in the hell is going on around here?

I understand being a quality guy and looking for a quality girl, but this CLEARLY demonstrates that Str8up is no longer a quality guy, quality guys don't have beliefs, thoughts, nor sayings such as this.

I listen to many of the "women aren't crap" posts on here by the "quality guys" as they say, but most times it's the low quality guys that make this statement.

I for one am not Mr. Player of the Year, but I see high quality and low quality women just as a woman would say the same for men. It's not being "positive" or "negative" it's just calling a spade a spade.