I don't know whether to laugh or cry.....

[STR8UP]

If they aren't "princesses"" they are "independent, goal oriented career women", or "AW's", or "emotional basketcases", or a dozen other things that make them unsuitable for anything more than a fukk and chuck.

I mean, really, unless you are a SERIOUS afc I just can't even see entertaining the thought of a relationship with women with such personality flaws.

And you noticed that I mentioned nothing about looks. In the US today how many women of legal age are overweight? How many over 30 are overweight?

Factor in looks and you cut out about 60-70%. Add in a serious personality flaw or two and you end up ruling out 90+%. Out of the 10% who are left how many are already taken, or aren't interested in you? That narrows the field down to, I'd say about 3% of the female population.

I'm not a bettin man but 3% doesn't sound like very good odds to me.

And it pretty much corresponds with what I see in real life. Out of every hundred or so I meet I might be captivated by one or two, three if I'm lucky.

So that means that I would either have to start spending some SERIOUS time digging up and ruling out prospects, or I can sit and wait and hope to get lucky.

Truth is I'm not anything close to being aggressive when it comes to looking for a woman, but at the same time I always have my eyes open to possibilities and am willing to put some effort into it when I find a decent one from time to time.

It just doesn't seem like it should naturally be this difficult to find "dateable" women.

If I grew up in the 50's would things have been different? I can't help but wonder.

Just seems like in today's world we have everything working against us.

 

[RedPill]

Free market research

The Orlando metro population in the 2000 Census: 1,644,561.

Between 1990 and 2000 it grew 34.2%. Let's assume this trend continues in this decade.

2008 population would equal 2,094,512.

Let's estimate that half the population is female: 1,047,256 women.

Let's say 25% of those exist in a 'datable' age range: 261,814 young women.

Using your estimate, which I think sounds reasonable, let's say 3% of the women are physically attractive, not committed, and have winning personalities: 7,854 dateable women in the Orlando area.

This figure does not include all the fringe candidates - the hot party skanks, women who are ONS material, etc - who are acceptable to fukk & chuck in the interim.

So if we can make a crude estimation that there are this many women who are relationship-worthy for your standards, sure they might be hard to find, but certainly not impossible. BUT, given that you are unlikely to run into women like this left and right, it means you'll have to develop a marketing plan to get women who fit this limited target demographic/psychographic into your social sphere.

Now, I'm not suggesting that you redesign your life around the pursuit of the pinkhole, but what I am suggesting is that due to the fact that you're seeking a top-shelf female, who by virtue of this fact must be in very high demand, you can't expect to just accidentally run into them, and pick them up as a viable option in the course of your daily routine, hitting the party scene on the weekends, or through chance encounters. It's not going to happen, as you're experiencing.

Let's say you ran a business whose target market was elite affluent individuals. People with $20M+ in personal net worth. Would you expect to be able to locate them and attract their business, and build a steady pipeline of qualified prospective customers simply by hoping to run into them somewhere? Fat chance. You'd have a well-considered plan that's constantly getting refined, that has a longer-term time horizon on it. Developing plates (in this example business plates) of an elite audience will require more time and attention to detail.

Bottom line: If you really want to land a top-3% broad for a potential relationship, you'll have to exhibit more than a casual effort at doing so. That's the price of having high standards. It serves you no good to wish that market conditions were what they were pre-feminism, pre-obesity. That era's dead. Accept this and adapt to domestic conditions, or go explore markets for women elsewhere, which would require much more upheaval in your life than is likely reasonable.

Either way, the game is what it is. Stop wishing it were easier.

All the best bro,

RedPill

 

[DavenJuan]

If they aren't "princesses"" they are "independent, goal oriented career women", or "AW's", or "emotional basketcases", or a dozen other things that make them unsuitable for anything more than a fukk and chuck.

I mean, really, unless you are a SERIOUS afc I just can't even see entertaining the thought of a relationship with women with such personality flaws.

And you noticed that I mentioned nothing about looks. In the US today how many women of legal age are overweight? How many over 30 are overweight?

Factor in looks and you cut out about 60-70%. Add in a serious personality flaw or two and you end up ruling out 90+%. Out of the 10% who are left how many are already taken, or aren't interested in you? That narrows the field down to, I'd say about 3% of the female population.

I'm not a bettin man but 3% doesn't sound like very good odds to me.

And it pretty much corresponds with what I see in real life. Out of every hundred or so I meet I might be captivated by one or two, three if I'm lucky.

So that means that I would either have to start spending some SERIOUS time digging up and ruling out prospects, or I can sit and wait and hope to get lucky.

Truth is I'm not anything close to being aggressive when it comes to looking for a woman, but at the same time I always have my eyes open to possibilities and am willing to put some effort into it when I find a decent one from time to time.

It just doesn't seem like it should naturally be this difficult to find "dateable" women.

If I grew up in the 50's would things have been different? I can't help but wonder.

Just seems like in today's world we have everything working against us.

str8- in your thread here you are taking women and simplifying them down to percentages..

however true this may be, i really dont think its a positive outlook.

now i know you see things better than you probably have ever seen them before. you are not disillusioned any longer. atleast not to the extent you have been in prior years, however its kinda like that movie Shallow Hal.

With knowing and seeing the truth for what it really is can sometimes be damaging.

what im getting at is, no matter HOW TRUE it is to find SPECIFICALLY what you are looking for, it IMO can be worse looking for that PERFECTION and enduring some of the feelings that you now currently feel vs. knowing that PERFECTION does not exsist, still finding what you want, but also knowing that embracing ones "flaws" within a person you can be compatible with is much more enjoyable.

IMO str8 your knowledge, your disection of this matrix as gotten you to the point where you have burdened yourself.

 

[DavenJuan]

a good example of this:

when you were a kid you liked hamburgers. the best thing in the world in your eyes!!

as you started getting older you had the opportunity to try a nice porterhouse steak. you loved it!!!

now, a hamburger to you has no similar sensation comparable to the steak. not even on the same playing field. you tell yourself you will never have a hamburger again since it is now considered a waste.

but the problem is. this porterhouse steak is alot harder to find. it even cost you more. the chances of you enjoying a porterhouse steak as much as you would have enjoyed a hamburger are a lot slimmer due to cost factor and availability.

now what situation have you put yourself in? you no longer enjoy the simple trips to mcdonalds that you use to. you cant whip up a burger at home and get that instant gratifcation you use to.

you have went from being happy enjoying a hamburger 80 percent of the time, to now only happy enjoying a steak 20 percent of the time.

no what i am not saying is settle by any means. you shoulndt have a hamburger just to have a hamburger.

what i am saying is KNOW the difference and accept it. know a burger is just that. a burger. and a steak is just that, a steak. enjoy the similarities and the differences and take them for what they are.

 

[insidious]

Str8, a piece of very simple advice:

Just be.

You are a tree planted firmly in the middle of a stream.
Water rushes by you, around you, do you concern
yourself with bits of wood and rock and leaves that fly
by you? Of course not. You cannot stop them and
they cannot budge you.

 

[guru1000]

I like to call this the "TWO YEAR RULE".

If after a period of two years while actively pursuing or being pursued by females, if you are not able to find one LTR that meets your standards. You only have two choices.

Lower your standards or Increase the standards within yourself.

Otherwise, with your current person, you are shooting OUT OF YOUR LEAGUE.

At this point, you have to make the realization , you are hunting for whales with a kitchen knife.

Hey listen, I always was one who advocated shooting for the stars. But that analogy is business related. With business, you can actively pursue and be very aggressive. With women it's quite the opposite.

If you used that analogy toward women for example and after 5 years it finally panned out; YOU FOUND THE ONE. How could the relationship work if you cannot walk away? After all it took you 5 years to find her! She will always have the power because you are common to her while she is uncommon to you.

Ultimately , within a 2 year period, you know your PLAYING FIELD. If you are not happy with your playing field, INCREASE THE STANDARDS WITHIN YOURSELF.

 

[ketostix]

Lower your standards or Increase the standards within yourself.

But just how can any guy really increase the standards within himself (lets call this value) in a manner that will actually cause women to see it as such? Take Str8up for example, not that I know him that well or am I trying to judge, but what more could he do to increase his value? By his own admission he could slim down some and get in better shape. Guys on here can't even agree on what causes attraction. Well I think attraction mostly has to do with appearance and being similar in age to the girl.

Like you say, if within 2 years of effort you can't find an acceptable girl, then there's a problem. The thing is I never really seen any guys that could change their outcome with women from what it's been long standing. They might through more effort get more hookups or maybe get a GF but they basically never go far from what they always were getting.

It's like the efficient market theory. By the time someone is late 20's all information is already known in regards to women, and whatever results you find are a reflection of that. I don't see the problem as str8up not having enough value. He actually seems gifted in intelligence and financial success. I don't believe any guy can dramatically change his personality to one that the most desirable women will go for. I see it as, firstly women valuing the wrong things and secondly a market of at least 10 qualified buyers (men) for every product (women).

 

[joekerr31]

It's like the efficient market theory. But the time someone is late 20's all information is already known in regards to women and whatever results you find are a reflection of that. I don't see the problem as str8up not having enough value. It actually seemed gifted in intelligence and finacial success. I don't believe any guy can dramatically change their personality to one that the most desirable women will go for. I see it as firstly women valuing the wrong things and secondly a market of at least 10 qualified buyers (men) for every product (women).

i honestly think str8ups only real problem is the crowd he hangs around. due to the nature of his business he's around a lot of 'models'. with regards to the party crowd we get stories of strippers, swingers, finger chics who have boyfriends in the hot tube, having dinner with ex's who are getting married, etc.

i don't hear any stories of 'hey guys, i met this lady who works at the book store and we went for coffee.' or 'i met this nurse and we spent the day at the museum.' or 'i joined this yoga class and met this chic who is a school teacher.'

i dont hear any of that. all i hear is i went to this party and all the women were skanks.

i know str8up disagrees, but i think 95% of his problems have to do with the people he is exposed to on a regularly basis.

 

[ketostix]

i don't hear any stories of 'hey guys, i met this lady who works at the book store and we went for coffee.' or 'i met this nurse and we spent the day at the museum.' or 'i joined this yoga class and met this chic who is a school teacher.'

Joekerr, the problem for instance is how many attractive, young girls out there work at the bookstore and want to just sit down for coffee and develop something? Besides, nurses and school teachers tend to be just as "slutty" too. It's basically the dynamic lady by day wh0re at night. And girls can play multiple roles, the good girl with you like you want her to be, and the skank with other guys when you're not around. What in the world is worse than playing the good guy and girl role with a girl that's skanking it up with other guys at other times?

There's just no escaping the fact that there just isn't very many quality girls that want a quality relationship.

 

[guru1000]

But just how can any guy really increase the standards within himself (lets call this value) in a manner that will actually cause women to see it as such? Take Str8up for example, not that I know him that well or am I trying to judge, but what more could he do to increase his value? By his own omission he could slim down some and get in better shape. Guys on here can't even agree on what causes attraction. Well I think it mostly has to do with appearance and being similar in age to the girl.

Like you say if within 2 years of effort you can't find an acceptable girl, then there's a problem. The thing is I never really seen any guys that could change their outcome with women from what it's been long standing. They might through more effort get more hookups or maybe get a GF but they basically never go far from what they always were getting.

It's like the efficient market theory. But the time someone is late 20's all information is already known in regards to women and whatever results you find are a reflection of that. I don't see the problem as str8up not having enough value. It actually seemed gifted in intelligence and finacial success. I don't believe any guy can dramatically change their personality to one that the most desirable women will go for. I see it as firstly women valuing the wrong things and secondly a market of at least 10 qualified buyers (men) for every product (women).

How to increase standards within oneself.

This is individual based.

Looks and Status , whether or not anyone agrees, is the prime motivator to attracting women.

In St8up's Case , I think he has status, to the best of his ability IN CHECK.

Appearance Wise, he might need to improve. Physique, Dress , Style, Etc.

Its really clear , cut and dry. LOOK BETTER and OFFER MORE or settle down within your PARADIGM.

 

[ketostix]

How to increase standards within oneself.

This is individual based.

Looks and Status , whether or not anyone agrees, is the prime motivator to attracting women.

In St8up's Case , I think he has status, to the best of his ability IN CHECK.

Appearance Wise, he might need to improve. Physique, Dress , Style, Etc.

Its really clear , cut and dry. LOOK BETTER and OFFER MORE or settle down within your feasible range.

Well I can't disagree with that as I believe looks and status is the prime motivators to attract women. But my point is no one who was already putting in at least average effort can change their look that much to increase their outcome drastically. And there's no getting around the lack of quality women. I honestly believe that very few men, no matter how good their appearance and high their status and resulting success with women, who ascribe to high standards from women can say they are happy with what's available.

 

[reset]

This might be a really dumb question... but we say there aren't very many quality women available... how would you know something like that?

Wouldn't you have to meet every single woman to know "how many" are available?

 

[Interceptor]

One thing that jumped out at me was this:

IIRC Str8up has often said to the effect of "I'm not here to help anyone. I post my stuff up for people to read,for entertainment value, nothing more."

IMO, this means to me that Str8up, appreciates the discussion we have with him, because it helps him organize his viewpoint in his mind. He can bettter grasp the situation, the concept. Thus, then he feels better able to handle it and at accordingly.
But to what degree does he give back?
(there's a reason I ask this, and it's not resentment or pointing fingers)

And quite often, I do wonder at how Str8up takes our consel and advice, and suggestions. Come to think of it, I can't seem to recall ever seeing him say "Wow, that's good advice. I'm going to do that. I didn't think of that. Thanks." to some effect.
I could be wrong, but off the top of my head, I can't seem to recall him doing that. (which is OK, BTW)
In other words, it seems like he is always convinced in his 'correctness' as it were, and I don't know to what degree he appreciates his friends here tyring to sort this stuff out with him, so he can live a better life.
I fully consider myself his friend, like many of you do too.
Now, before you think me a 'hater' or pointing fingers or resentful or whatever, far from it, I am no such thing.
I am trying to get deeper into the 'weeds' of what is going on here.


If what I am perceiving is for the most part true, then we have to look at what VALUE is Str8up bringing to the table?

Seriously, we often talk about being High Value, and Demonstrating Higher Value.
What is Str8up bringing to the table FOR his 'buds"?

If the answer is 'not much." then we need to start bringing light to this, and start asking, then "What are you bringing to the table for a woman who is worth it?" IF Str8up truly feels "why bother?" and doesn't feel like trying anymore, then what I see is him not bringing ANYTHING to the table. Not OFFERING anything of VALUE, not to us, nor any female he is desiring. Then we can see that there is a subtle undercurrent in his perspective and interactions, I believe. Maybe there is something LACKING.
And that LACK of 'something" is perhaps guiding him to see and perhaps EXPECT his experiences.



"I don't offer anything of value, because you are not worth it, none of you are worth it, and becasue you are not worth it I bring nothing of value," and so on and so on.

A vicious cycle?

A self fulfilling prophecy?

The Law of Attraction at work?

We SEE only what we WANT to SEE?

If you believe only in the NEGATIVE, you will ONLY SEE the NEGATIVE?


Maybe, just maybe??

Follow me?


Guy: "Women are b*tches, every single one of them."

Woman: "hi!"

Guy: "Oh great, another b*tch!"




This is a crude psycho analysis on my part, as I am no shrink, but I am just going with a thought that jumped out at me, for Str8up's concern.

So, if we believe that we create our own destiny, we attract likeness to ourselves, and we manifest everything and all that...then what happens when we believe that no woman is "worth it"?

Does it affect our experience?

IF we 'stop trying", DOES it affect our expereince with women?


If we believe we have little to offer, does that make it more sensible to be way more protective and frugal with our love and affection?


OK, Interecptor 'mind dump' off.

This is just something to think about, a tangent that may help provide (or not) insight.

For the record, this is no attack on brother Str8up, whom I fully respect, as I can fully be reading the situation and him wrong. Which is OK. I'm not trying to prove anything.
And I am not resentful or bitter towards him , or anyone else for that matter.

I just want to help a decent guy build a better life complete with the EXPERIENCES he deserves, and sometimes , as Men, we have to ask ourselves the hard questions.

 

[STR8UP]

Joekerr, the problem for instance is how many attractive, young girls out there work at the bookstore and want to just sit down for coffee and develop something? Besides, nurses and school teachers tend to be just as "slutty" too. It's basically the dynamic lady by day wh0re at night. And girls can play multiple roles, the good girl with you like you want her to be, and the skank with other guys when you're not around. What in the world is worse than playing the good guy and girl role with a girl that's skanking it up with other guys at other times?

There's just no escaping the fact that there just isn't very many quality girls that want a quality relationship.

Keto,

Most guys on here are pretty clued up about women in general, but the whole "quality" woman debate is part of the gravitational pull of the matrix, and is a close cousin to the soulmate myth. A lot of people still hold onto the ideal that they will one day find that perfect girl who has only had sexual intercourse with two other men, who would never cheat, who doesn't test, who will love them "unconditionally".

I can't blame people for assuming that it's the crowd I hang with, since I DO have some business dealings with strip clubs and SOME of my friends are a little on the crazy side, but I can talk until I am blue in the face and they won't believe me when I tell them that the majority of my friends are as normal as they come. I know real estate people, people in various sales positions, people in marketing and video production, and yes, even some healthcare professionals, Joekerr

 

[guru1000]

I honestly believe that very few men, no matter how good their appearance and high their status and resulting success with women, who ascribe to high standards from women can say they are happy with what's available.

I am happy with whats available. I also have a much larger selection than I did 10 years ago. The only thing that has changed is my age and my appearance. My physical conditioning is incredible. I attribute that to great diet, cardio and weight training.

Where as when I was not physically conditioned , I can pull 7's. I can pull 9's and 10's all day now. The only difference is my appearance. A 2-3 point jump is extreme. The hard part is finding quality 9's and 10's. So i settle with a quality 8 which is dating downward for me.

To me , all this DJ'ing is BS. You can pull with it, but over time if the girl is out of your league, she and you both know it. She will inevitably leave.

Bottomline, date within your limits or do something about it.

 

[ketostix]

This might be a really dumb question... but we say there aren't very many quality women available... how would you know something like that?

Wouldn't you have to meet every single woman to know "how many" are available?

No, statistically you just need to meet a relatively small sample of women that represents all available women over a finite period of time. So if you meet say 100, 1000 or whatever number of women from work, school, friends, bars, church, online etc over a couple years, then you have met a very representative sample. And if out of all those women you are finding a percentage below 1%, then that's a very low statistical percentage and maybe a nonexistent percentage.

And quite often, I do wonder at how Str8up takes our consel and advice, and suggestions. Come to think of it, I can't seem to recall ever seeing him say "Wow, that's good advice. I'm going to do that. I didn't think of that. Thanks." to some effect.
I could be wrong, but off the top of my head, I can't seem to recall him doing that. (which is OK, BTW)

Well I can recall Str8up taking advice from something I suggested even though I admitedly wasn't sure if my own advice was valid for the situation. Maybe he doesn't do it often but I don't know of any experienced person in their 30's who just takes advice readily from anyone about a situation they're more privy too. Also I think he does and has given credit where it's due ocassionally.

 

[Luthor Rex]

Some people sensitive to "race" issues might respond negatively to the "chimp" thing, Luthor Rex.

Be careful.

Why? Because it's not politically convenient that there are real differences between people? They did fire this guy for telling the truth: http://www.slate.com/id/2112570/

As for where I get my crazy ideas about this sh!t from... I get it from the NY Times:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...93AA25755C0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2

But researchers have recently found that several hundred genes on the X escape inactivation. Taking those genes into account along with the new tally of Y genes gives this result: Men and women differ by 1 to 2 percent of their genomes, Dr. Page said, which is the same as the difference between a man and a male chimpanzee or between a woman and a female chimpanzee.

Almost all male-female differences, whether in cognition, behavior, anatomy or susceptibility to disease, have usually been attributed to the sex hormones. But given the genomic differences that are now apparent, that premise has to be re-examined, in Dr. Page's view.

''We all recite the mantra that we are 99 percent identical and take political comfort in it,'' Dr. Page said. ''But the reality is that the genetic difference between males and females absolutely dwarfs all other differences in the human genome.''

Ok, maybe there's not MORE difference between us and women than us and monkeys... it's just the same proportional amount of difference (2%).

 

[aliasguy]

OK, dude, u win.

I'm not gonna start f*cking chimps, though.

 

[STR8UP]

IIRC Str8up has often said to the effect of "I'm not here to help anyone. I post my stuff up for people to read,for entertainment value, nothing more."

That's a misquote.

I believe I have stated that I am not necessarily here to learn the basics, but to refine my existing knowledge.

 

[STR8UP]

FWIW......once again I was supposed to meet this chick at 7pm. She calls at EXACTLY 7pm with an excuse why she can't make it.

Well, I just left work EARLY because of her ass, but no prob, some of my friends were going out so I met up with them.

one of the girls in the group, I guess it was her birthday, but she wanted to get LAID. She comes over to me spouting some BS about women being superior to men and I had to hold myself back from laying into this cvnt.

On my way out she was dancing with one of the guys from the group and waved goodbye. I nodded my head to say "good riddance".

I even told one of my female friends that I didn't like that chick. "Oh she's drunk". I don't give a sh!t......she has the attitude that she wants all of the guys there (and there were plenty of them) to compete for a scrap of attention, and I wasn't gonna be the one to give it to her.