As much as I like it when you tout my successes, I'm (once again) going to cast a rain cloud.
In person approach can destroy a man's self-esteem too. Not only do you face the same risks with the apps, but you add in the chances of getting humiliated in public or even shadow banned from certain areas/groups. The people over here preaching in person over apps are more than likely doing it in niche situations and not spraying in praying at the random Publix grocery store across the street.
It's only a huge time sink if you have no vetting strategies. Tinder is 100% a waste of time though. But let me explain my Hinge process:
Got a buddy who is a 5'7 average looking white guy, makes 35K a year, 35 years old, and spinning 5 plates living with his parents (all he met on dating apps)
I've been cold approaching for almost 20 years, never got humiliated or shadow banned or whatever once. Some (only a few) rejections were not pleasant, for about 5mins after the approach.
Guys miss the whole point
I’ve seen guys literally get their asses beat at parties because they approached the wrong girl or came out as creepy approaching women and they told the guys.
Which is why it's so important to exercise your mind and not just your body.
My online dating app rejection rate was huge compared to daygame - roughly speaking 6 times higher - morale of the story is real life always counts for something and as someone who met his girlfriend from daygame I can’t stress enough the importance of putting yourself out there consistently and not being a slave to an algorithm
You can also get struck by lightning during a rainstorm.
I have observed 35-40 year old women who rarely get approached in real life have hundreds of men in the queues/inboxes on swipe apps.
I have previously advocated strategic cold approaching in venues where it isn't frowned upon. I am 100% sure you guys are already practicing this, but when y'all go on here and say cold approaching is king with vague context, you are letting us assume that y'all are out here approaching random women left in right in public spaces or areas where approaching strangers isn't genuinely welcomed. I just find it very hard to believe that y'all are just pulling 10/10 ass from the personal checkout kroger section every day with ease. No matter great your frame/game is, a situation like I described can happen in certain environments. With dating apps, all you need are good pictures and basic social IQ to succeed on them.
I see women all ages sexually viable get white knighted and indirectly approached by men all of the time. Women know when men are validating them even if it is from an indirect method.
I have observed that most women in that age bracket who have to use a dating app to find a date are often not the type/kind of women you'd want to date, so no real loss here.
Cold approach is difficult, and the success rate (lay) is low. I do well because I look good and I'm a very experienced daygamer. I'm very picky though, sometimes I don't approach for weeks, also miss out some opportunities because of AA and other reasons. But when I approach and it works, the quality of girls is very high in terms of beauty and age (very young). It happens once in a while, but usually those girls stick around for some time.
Disagree. Both things help but that's not enough. Also, the term "good pictures" are subjective. Plenty of guys with "good pictures" are not accomplishing much. I think the standard for "good pictures" is relatively high at this point.
Agree. This is even true for experienced daygamers. I'm an experienced daygamer and my success rates are lower than I would like for them to be.
