Are Dating Apps really that bad right now

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OLD IMO is a cesspoll it's fun but that stench is hard to get off, but I gues sit's all relative to your location I found OLD to be easier in places like Chicago and New York

OLD is a contentious issue on this site.

Using tech methods for starting dating interactions is a contentious issue in general right now.

There's a bit of an ongoing backlash against the swipe apps. There's a reason that the stock prices for the Match Group (owners of Tinder, Hinge, Match, and others) and Bumble are in the toilet right now. A lot of people have had negative experiences on the swipe apps. The majority of men are ignored and get few matches. Many of these men also have issues with having "one date, no sex, no second date" type experiences with their app matches. This is a result that is partially due to the abundance that women have on swipe apps. Many women are having bad experiences on swipe apps. Women are enjoying the attention that they get, but they are not enjoying the emotional consequences of riding the penis carousel. Having sex with top tier men but failing to get longer term commitments from the men they are having sex with is having an effect on them.

Online dating in the era of dating websites wasn't that good either. Many of the same problems that have happened in the swipe app era were happening on dating websites in the late 2000s/early 2010s. It was just happening on a smaller scale during that time.

This backlash can only go so far though. Most men are not going to be able to become devoted in-person approachers. Approaching a lot of strangers in person takes a toll on a man, whether it is done in nightlife venues or non-bar venues. The whole in-person approaching environment has declined in recent years. In the 1970s-2000s, far more in-person approaching was done in nightlife venues as compared to non-bar approaches. Nightlife scenes in most cities have declined since swipe apps evolved from dating websites. There is less of a culture of nightlife approaching now as compared to the time when Mystery and Strauss were spending a lot of time in nightlife venues in the early 2000s. Non-bar approaching has always been a niche activity within pickup.

There are still a lot of blue pill beta males out there who are thirsty, desperate, and unable to do a large volume of in-person approaches in order to get laid. They'll still be using swipe apps. They'll be simping on OnlyFans and blowing up the DMs on various social media platforms.

Dating apps are for masses of generic, beta guys who don't have the balls to cold approach women face to face. They're nothing but a crutch that 99.99% of guys use because they don't want to develop the confidence or skill to successfully approach women face to face.

Real men should not use dating apps. Guys on SoSuave should not be using dating apps. We're supposed to be here to become better than the masses of ordinary, unremarkable men....and that means developing the skill to approach women in real life . By using dating apps, there's nothing to make you stand out from other men, which defeats the object of being on this site.

Real game and real seduction can ONLY be learned and done face to face, not on dating apps.

Don't be thinking you are some sort of Casanova who has game if the only way you can meet women is through dating apps....you absolutely are not!

I am glad that I ditched dating apps.

I started studying seduction while in college in the 2001-2005 era. In that era, in-person approaching was still more common, though dating websites were starting to come up. Around the early 2000s, there was a lot of debate about whether or not online dating was de-stigmatized. I stopped hearing about that topic around 2005, so that's when I consider that online dating became mainstream.

Match.com launched all the way back in 1995.