Are Dating Apps really that bad right now

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I have previously advocated strategic cold approaching in venues where it isn't frowned upon. I am 100% sure you guys are already practicing this, but when y'all go on here and say cold approaching is king with vague context, you are letting us assume that y'all are out here approaching random women left in right in public spaces or areas where approaching strangers isn't genuinely welcomed. I just find it very hard to believe that y'all are just pulling 10/10 ass from the personal checkout kroger section every day with ease. No matter great your frame/game is, a situation like I described can happen in certain environments.
No, the thing is, when you do enough approaching, you become attractive enough that women start approaching you. And you become attuned to where and how you should interact with women without becoming unwelcome.

With dating apps, all you need are good pictures and basic social IQ to succeed on them.
Succeed is such a subjective term. The type of women on dating apps tend to be the type I can also find in the Amsterdam Red Light District. If I'd just want to 'hookup', a ten minute walk and a hundred euro are a lot cheaper than spending hours swiping one hoe after another on a dating app and chatting for hours to getting them to go on a real life date, when all they want to get is attention and validation.
 

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Are they really that bad?

My fat friend (certainly no Chad, but a sociable, very funny and intelligent guy) met his second wife and mother to his second kid on one.

Another friend met who is similar to a second wife (live together, she wears a ring, combined family).

Two female cousins met their husbands.

My other fat married friend did an experiment, not to cheat, but to check an app out of curiosity about how they’re so bad for men, and got responses, and then deleted his profile.
 

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No, the thing is, when you do enough approaching, you become attractive enough that women start approaching you. And you become attuned to where and how you should interact with women without becoming unwelcome.
I’m now balding and graying and in the last three years have had more women starting conversations with me while out and about than the decade before them.
 

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I’m now balding and graying and in the last three years have had more women starting conversations with me while out and about than the decade before them.
Women are getting annoyed by all the wussies out there, so they are interested in mature men, especially if you appear to have your life together. Bald and grey is not a detriment. As long as you're not boring.
 

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Agree. This is even true for experienced daygamers. I'm an experienced daygamer and my success rates are lower than I would like for them to be.
Something extremely important that people miss is timing

the main problem ( if you have at least decent social skills ) with cold approach is that you have no idea if the girl is looking for a guy or not. Most of the girls are one way or the other in some sort of a relationship. Hence the low success rate

If a girl really likes the guy she is seeing is a very uphill battle, no matter how amazing you are

In social settings is a bit easier to distinguish who is “looking” for a guy , girls that want to be approached leave subtle clues that they want to be approached. Not necessarily iois, but more in the sense that they put themselves in situations that an approach can happen

If you are not interested in buying a car, no car salesman can sell you one, unless it is an incredible deal
 

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I cancelled match finally. Went down hill so much! It seems around 2021 they really started going downhill. Before Covid hit, even in 2019 they were good. Sites like FB dating were good, Match had the highest quality women too, easy to get replies and numbers. Around 2021 went way downhille. More pay to play too on match, POF, Bumble less swipes before gotta pay, etc. I don't see very many hot women on them anymore.
 

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the main problem ( if you have at least decent social skills ) with cold approach is that you have no idea if the girl is looking for a guy or not. Most of the girls are one way or the other in some sort of a relationship. Hence the low success rate

If a girl really likes the guy she is seeing is a very uphill battle, no matter how amazing you are
This is true. Additionally, a lot of women that you will approach will not inform you during the approach that they are in some sort of relationship. The conversation goes nowhere and fizzles out fast. It fizzles out so fast that there isn't even an opportunity to ask them on a first date. This seems to be more a common problem in non-bar approaching than in bar approaching, though it can happen in the bars. Showing up to a bar is somewhat of an indicator that a woman is seeking new penis, more so than showing up to a mall or a fitness class.

Swipe/dating apps are supposed to be women who are actively looking, but that doesn't always seem to be reality either.

In social settings is a bit easier to distinguish who is “looking” for a guy , girls that want to be approached leave subtle clues that they want to be approached. Not necessarily iois, but more in the sense that they put themselves in situations that an approach can happen
This happens. It is supposed to be an advantage of nightlife venues. It might also be applicable at a larger private residence party where a man doesn't know ahead of time the relationship status of all female attendees.
 

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I’m now balding and graying and in the last three years have had more women starting conversations with me while out and about than the decade before them.
I find this interesting, so I have a few questions: 1. How do you explain this phenomenon? 2. Can you give some examples? 3. What's the average age of those women?
 

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I find this interesting, so I have a few questions: 1. How do you explain this phenomenon? 2. Can you give some examples? 3. What's the average age of those women?
Thanks for the response. I’m about to head out. I’ll try to answer later tonight or tomorrow.
 

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I find this interesting, so I have a few questions: 1. How do you explain this phenomenon? 2. Can you give some examples? 3. What's the average age of those women?
1. For me personally, for much of my younger years, I had serious depression on and off, and I believe that women can tell a man is troubled. I did have some girlfriends in my life, but those relationships did not work out partly due to me being too passive because of my condition. Even when I was in high school, a very pretty said to my friend, "M can have a girlfriend if he wants, but he acts like he can't." Keep in mind this woman did not know me from a whole in the wall; I only knew her from hi and bye. Over time my depression went away, I improved my life greatly, made more friends, met my wife, had children, and both men and women started to strike up more conversations with me when out and about and at work.

This is my interpretation of this, and my friends agree with me.

I am in my mid 40s now.

2. Yes, I can give examples. Keep in mind, I do not think that the women who start conversation or give other gestures to me when out and about are all sexually attracted to me. I believe some are, and if I were single, I would move forward with them. I am moderately attractive, dress well, and am better built than nearly all men my age (I once competed in bodybuilding) and have been involved in serious exercise for a long time.

Here are some examples I remember from the past two years.

My friend and I (also married) went out to a German place that has a bar, restaurant, and area for music and performances. I went there to meet him because I had not seen him in a long time, not because I want to meet women, as I am a faithful guy. So my friend and I were talking and this woman started looking my way on and off. We went closer to the bar next to her and her friends to order drinks, and I saw her looking at me in my peripheral vision as I stood next to her. I started chuckling and she said, "Hello." I started talking to her and her friends introduced themselves to me and my friend. She appeared to be in her late 20s or early 30s.

A few weeks ago I was walking home at around 6:15 in the morning. Coming towards me across the street was an attractive woman. Usually when I see people in the morning around town while walking or jogging, I say hello or good morning, but I don't want to freak women out while walking alone in the dark. She said, "Hey, do you go to LA Fitness?" We then had a conversation about the gym and fitness. I have a habit of talking with my hands folded in front of me and I am convinced she kept looking at my hands to see if I had a wedding ring (I do obviously). I think she was in her late 20's.

Last week I was in a Macy's in a mall. I was checking in myself in the mirror, thinking nobody was looking at me at the time, and a store worker walked past me and said, "You look good". I think she was mid 20's.

Last year I was sitting eating after a jog at a bagel place few blocks from my house after a jog. I looked up and a woman smiled and waved at me as she left. I think she was mid 20's.

Another time at the same place, again, while I was sitting there sipping coffee, a woman flagrantly looked at me while leaving. Again, I think mid 20's.

One time while I was looking at wine bottle in my hands while in the liquor store. All of the sudden I felt a swift pat on my back. I was sort of startled, looked to my side, and it was an attractive middle-aged woman who said something about the wine. I do not remember what she said. I think she was in her late 40s or early 50s.

I once was looking at shishlto peppers at the grocery store, and a petite, cute woman was there too, and she said, "I really like these. How do you make yours?" I think she was in her 40's.

This past summer, a woman started a convo in the gym about the sneakers I was wearing. She said, "I started wearing flat soled sneakers recently too, and they're much better for lower-body exercises." As I said, I do not think every woman who starts a conversation with me, but I highly doubt a woman is going to start a conversation about something as mundane as flat soles for lifting if she didn't want to strike up convo about anything.

There's a gas station with a big store I go to near my job on breaks for coffee. One time I was on line and I saw this tall, pretty Middle Eastern woman working as cashier. Although I had no interest, I thought she was very pretty, and that because she was tall, she likely wouldn't go for me if I were single because I am 5'10". I was planning on making a lazy-man's hummus that night so I grabbed a can of Goya-brand canned chickpeas as the line progressed. When she was ringing me up, she asked, "What do you plan on making with these? As a Turkish woman, I do not recommend using this brand." There was no one else behind me on line and we got into a conversation about food and travel. I think she was in her 30s.

Again, I do not know if all these women thought I was sexually attractive. But I also do not think women strike up conversation or wave or stare at men they don't think are attractive. And if I were single, I would take advantage of these situations to try to get dates.
 
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I cancelled match finally. Went down hill so much! It seems around 2021 they really started going downhill. Before Covid hit, even in 2019 they were good. Sites like FB dating were good, Match had the highest quality women too, easy to get replies and numbers. Around 2021 went way downhille. More pay to play too on match, POF, Bumble less swipes before gotta pay, etc. I don't see very many hot women on them anymore.
I think it's good to take breaks, I'm currently on a break personally I think the best apps currently are apps that are not well known but have a niche. However these apps tend to be dead or not a lot of people unless you live in a really big city. IMO right now I'm focused on the crypto market since it's taken off. OLD is to much work in 2025 for the crumbs.
 

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I think that statement has been true for a long time, not just 2023-2025.
This cuffing season hasn’t been as successful for me as years past. I really think the OLD novelty has worn off for women, I think it’s due to the accumulation of bad experiences by socially inept men coming out of COVID.

I haven’t had many matches this year, but know I have that swag with the attention I get from women at bars, events, normal everyday errands.
 
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