yep, I'm really f'd in the head now

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When she calls back ( and she will ), I would act completely unconcerned and act like what she did to you did not phase you in the least.

No..do NOT 'rip her a new one'..in fact be friendly, upbeat, and laughing and joking around.

When she wants to see you, act like you have other plans ( even if you don't ) and tell her 'maybe some other time.' Don't flat out reject her..keep her squirming on the hook.

The point is ..be happy and unconcerned..like her wanting more space affected you emotionally as much as your shoe becoming untied.

This will drive her NUTS.
 

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I agree completely with 8ball.

That's the best plan if you want to have her begging to get back with you. But remember, just because she asks for you to take her back, doesn't mean you have to say yes. She just tried to screw with your mind, and use you as a backup plan. I wouldn't find that to be a forgiveable offense.

You should take her calls, but don't stay on the phone longer than 5 to 10 minutes, and you should always be the one to hang up first because you have stuff to do. Act completely unphazed by not hearing from her, and be upbeat and happy. If she invites you somewhere, politely tell her you have other plans. If she wants you to name the date, tell her you'll get back to her. (It'lI be hard to say no, but remind yourself of her last invitation). If she tries to complain that you haven't been paying her attention tell her you've been busy yourself. Don't get mad at her, and don't answer her prying questions.

Most importantly, get back in the dating game. Meet other girls, and realize your ex can be easily replaced. Get deeper into a hobby. As long as you're focused completely on her, you can't make smart decisions.
 
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YES YES YES!!!!!! Listen to the previous posters. Listen to me as a guy who has been through the exact same situation-as most of us have. When she calls, DO NOT ACT in the slightest concerned or upset at her. Act as if you have been extremely busy having fun doing all of these wonderful things-even if you havent. This will eat her up inside to no end trust me. Then, end the conversation after a few minutes saying that you are going out and you need to get going.

And remember, do not contact her!!! I cant stress that enough. If you really want this relationship to work, and I sense you do, you must follow this to a T. Let her call you and initiate all contact. Listen to my fellow posters and myself and things just might work out here. Though by the time this is all said and done, you might not even want her back :).
 

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forget her

hey 86 i was in the same situation that you are in. it happened to me awhile ago and she told me the same bs and more. unfortunately i was stupid and waited around for her to come back. but she never did. i soon found out about five months later she had been dating this guy who was supposedly a friend. so my advice to you is this. move on and dont let it bother you. its hard i know but you will soon forget. like krassus said go f$ck other people like she is. just look at the info shes telling you. working alot. possible sign of cheating. no time for intimacy. thats the biggest bs of all. who doesnt have at least two hours a day for a loved one.
 

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another thought

hey guys, I was reading JohnJones post on his girl leaving a few things over at his place -

http://www.sosuave.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35431

....that reminded me that she's left a few sets of clothes, etc. and some of it is still at my house.

one poster said :
When she leaves her stuff, that means she's unconcerned that your relationship will end any time soon.

how's that for a curve ball...what do you think now?
 

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She's not expecting YOU to end the relationship any time soon. She's reached a certain comfort level. Doesn't mean that SHE can't change her mind. I was the one who wrote that, and her not wanting to see you is a much bigger indicator of her current thought process than her leaving some clothes behind. I had a girl write me a long poetic letter about why she loved me and appreciated me so much. A week later she cheated on me. Their minds change - deal with it.

I hope you aren't trying find ways to justify to yourself why you should let this girl use you. If you are, stop.
 

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Exactly quick. To me it seems like she wants to have her cake and eat it too. She wants to break things off romantically with 86 and pursue other guys, while at the same time not wanting him to see anyone else and to be waiting for her at her beck and call. She wont come and get her things right now simply because she either doesn't care, doesnt want the drama of going over to get them, or knows that by getting the items she'll "officially" be ending it and she still wants him in the background in case other things fall through. Do not read anything into this 86. In fact, the best thing you could do is to drop them off at her house front door one night without actually seeing her leaving a note saying "thought you may need these things, I was in the neighborhood so thought I 'd drop them by. She'd really flip out then.
 
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Just Run.


in general.
If a girl wants to be with you, she gets rid of other things in her life to be with you, ive seen it. !!

ive seen women go against thier family to be with the person who ruled thier heart, mind body and soul.

so just RUN, she is letting you go easy and probly knows thier is a chacne you will turn to a clingy, wussy, begging spinless cry baby, but she still is leaving. This time next year you will be in a relation ship with some one who is perfect for you, and you will be thanking your lucky stars that you didnt end up with this chick !! ive seen that too.
 

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Originally posted by echo1212
In fact, the best thing you could do is to drop them off at her house front dooor one night without actually seeing her leaving a note saying "thought you may need these things, I was in the neighborhood so thought I 'd drop them by. Shed really flip out then.
I love this advice. If there was somewhere you could leave them without fear they'd be stolen or anything, go for it.
 

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This sh¡t is gold.
Please let us know what happens with this girl. This is a great real life case study.
 

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Originally posted by ryoshi
This sh¡t is gold.
Please let us know what happens with this girl. This is a great real life case study.

dude, do a search for my posts from last summer about my red-hot redhead adventures....talk about an education!
 

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DUDE LISTEN TO ME NOW:

Go directly to the following website and read mLTR. Then go and read Maniac_high's posts on why it's best to have a few women on the go at once!!!!!!!!!


http://fastseduction.com/acronyms.shtml
 

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Hey 86,

I read your story, and the guys gave solid advice IMHO.

I know you care about this girl right now, but any relationship needs to be based on MUTUAL concern and attraction. For whatever reason, she doesn't have this for you.

Now really, if you REALLY cared about someone, would YOU let work get in the way?

Considering how we know women desire a relationship with a man more than anything, this stunt by her is a bunch of BS. She just doesn't have the guts to break up with you.

You have the right idea about not calling her. And I'd avoid hanging out with her and her friends from now on. You need to find better things to do than to waste time on someone who doesn't have at least equal concern for you as you do for her.

In the case SHE ASKS why you don't see her anymore, I'd say:

"Hey, you told me that work is more important to you right now than I am. I don't know about you, but I know that I would not trade work over a relationship with someone who I deeply cared about.

I doubt that 50 years from now, I'm going to say 'Gee, you know, I really wish I spent more time at the office.'

I'm pretty sure you have reasons I don't know about for doing what it is you are doing. Whatever they are, it doesn't matter--I have no desire to know them. You want your space, you can have all of the space you want. Just realize that WHEN you change your mind, and figure yout you made a mistake in choosing work over me, I won't be waiting to take you back. I hope you enjoy your work. Good luck."
 

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I also echo echo's advice

And 8Ball, JJ, & Quick.

You drop her. Don't answer her calls. Leave her stuff on the doorstep.

Find 10 other women, and if she comes begging, she may be good for a booty call, if you can stomach it.

You deserve better.
 

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Originally posted by violator
It sounds to me like a sophisticated variation of "I need space".

She is throwing you alot of chaff in order to disguise the fact that she wants to see what is out there. Or perhaps, even worse, she has already trained her sights on another prospect and is laying the ground work for her eventual departure. Remember, women are cowards. Few have the guts to directly tell you that they want out let alone tell you the reason why.

The advise to walk away and let her have her space is sound. Trying to extract answers from her at this point is futile because she will never tell you the real reason why she is pulling this stunt at the last minute.
come come now, men do the exact same thing.
 

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come come now, men do the exact same thing.
With all due respect Shorty, this is a forum about what WOMEN do AND this particular thread is geared towards the behavior of this particular woman needing space.

Why hi-jack the thread and change the subject to the behavior of men?
 

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Originally posted by 8ball
With all due respect Shorty, this is a forum about what WOMEN do AND this particular thread is geared towards the behavior of this particular woman needing space.

Why hi-jack the thread and change the subject to the behavior of men?
Sorry, I'll shut up and stop talking about the double standard. Infact I'll just shut up.

:(
 

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Originally posted by PlayerinTraining


Now really, if you REALLY cared about someone, would YOU let work get in the way?

Considering how we know women desire a relationship with a man more than anything, this stunt by her is a bunch of BS. She just doesn't have the guts to break up with you.

You have the right idea about not calling her. And I'd avoid hanging out with her and her friends from now on. You need to find better things to do than to waste time on someone who doesn't have at least equal concern for you as you do for her.

In the case SHE ASKS why you don't see her anymore, I'd say:

"Hey, you told me that work is more important to you right now than I am. I don't know about you, but I know that I would not trade work over a relationship with someone who I deeply cared about.

I doubt that 50 years from now, I'm going to say 'Gee, you know, I really wish I spent more time at the office.'

I'm pretty sure you have reasons I don't know about for doing what it is you are doing. Whatever they are, it doesn't matter--I have no desire to know them. You want your space, you can have all of the space you want. Just realize that WHEN you change your mind, and figure yout you made a mistake in choosing work over me, I won't be waiting to take you back. I hope you enjoy your work. Good luck."

P.I.T., good point, and thanks to everyone else. but let's say I tried this angle and told her all that, more or less...

I am almost 99.9% sure she is being truthful in the fact that she is truly busy with her career. both our careers are important to us, maybe hers a bit more because she is less established and basically has just started out in the last year. she's told me in the past that her industry is her life and what she lives for. I don't know if I explained this, but her job is contract work oriented, so she doesn't have a regular, set schedule and is at the mercy of whenever the clients call. sometimes she has to make trips out of town for a few days. and lately she has been double booked, or so she says, and she tells me that is the reason for her BS in the first place, supposedly. another excuse she's thrown at me is that she's moving into a much cheaper place this month. so apparently the amount of time it takes to pack up a really small, 1-bedroom apt. worth of stuff takes 3-4 weeks. :rolleyes:

so anyway... my point is, don't you think that it's a little selfish to try and place me over somebody's career? or in simpler words, demand that someone's way of earning a living/income take a back seat to a relationship? don't get me wrong, I don't want to cave in to her and I'm trying to be fair at the least...to see things from both sides. I would never let somebody try and pull that kind of crap on me, and I'm sure most of you wouldn't either. if someone told me to work less/earn less income just so they could be the #1 focus in my life, there's no way in hell I could do that right now - well, perhaps if I truly loved that person and she truly loved me.

so thinking out loud some more here....this new place she's moving in to - it's a lot cheaper rent, so technically she doesn't have to work as much, she's even told me this herself. but there's another thing that sort of rubs me the wrong way - the new place she's moving into is some guy's house, whom I've never met let alone know nothing about. apparently this guy is out of town all week except weekends, and she is just renting out a room. obviously that situation doesn't sit quite right with me. he works in the same industry as her, and I've seen and met enough guys from that industry to know that most of them are raging-alcoholic, chauvanistic, lying @ssholes in varying degrees. so that is in the back of my mind right now...

this morning, I am fairly certain that I've come to a resolution on what I plan to do - so whenever we talk again, I am basically going tell her if she wants to be with me, she would find a way to make time for me, then I'll put her on the spot right then and there and ask her to simply tell me if she's in or out. and I pretty much know that she will probably say, "I can't." I will then ask her right back, "You can't or you WON'T?" ultimatums are harsh I know, but I feel that it's the only way I can resolve this....

holla back if you have any more advice.
 

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If things arent going to work out be str8 up with her and move on. If you can try to make her a **** buddy.
 

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Well, if your plan is to lose her forever then giving her this ultimatum will work wonders!!! I realize that right now you are beyond help, and you will do whatever it is you want to do without listening to guys who have done exactly what you are about to do and have it fail every time without fail!!! Dude, right now, be like George Constaza of Seinfeld, do the opposite. If what your doing right now is wrong, the opposite must be right. If you continue with this plan you will be back here in a few days saying, "well, you guys were right, but at least I learned something". Good luck, your gonna need it.
 
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