Sorry, I thought you were smart enough to use Google. My mistake.Danger said:
http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/pdf/20130917_ipslides.pdf
Women graduating in college more than men
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Kailex
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Most of them could be graduating from Liberal Arts.
Controlling for occupation and numbers of hours worked would be like controlling for personality type in a personality test. We know that women make less money. The causes of this could be (and are likely some combination of) that they are paid less, that they don't get as good jobs, or that they don't have the opportunity to work as many hours. The only reasonable argument you could make here that the numbers I presented are misleading is that correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation. Just because women don't make as much money doesn't mean they are making less money because they are women. I think this is what you were trying to say here. If you are just arguing that they don't make as much money because their jobs aren't as good, then that just supports the point I was making that men have it easier.Danger said:
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Man you are unbelievable. Being paid more doesn't necessarily mean your job is more "good", or being paid less doesn't means your job is less "good". And it sure as hell doesn't mean you have it easier because you're paid more.Syrio said:
Pay is based on expertise, lack of workers willing and able to do the work (men or women), productivity and value, how demanding the production rate, hazardous, danger, unpleasant etc.
Women make the same or more money when they do the same work and work the same hours. No one at all is stopping women from doing work that has higher compensation or working more hours. In fact, with affirmative action and "diversity" programs women are being actively encouraged to do so. Women don't always because because the more skilled, demanding, hazardous or unpleasant working conditions isn't worth it to them.
Women work less but studies show they control something like 80% of the wealth. That's having it easier. Women don't even have to work to enjoy the fruits of labor.
Okay so I'm done here. I'm used to talking to my friends about things like this, and they are actually smart. Then I come to these forums and realize how unintelligent a lot of people are. It's not even having opposing viewpoints though, that wouldn't make someone unintelligent. It's when they fail to grasp simple concepts or make up ridiculous facts on the spot (like 80% of the wealth is controlled by women). But anyway, if you don't realize how wrong you are from what I've attempted to teach you here, then you never will. Sorry, but I'm done here.Danger said:
Lmao @ this thread. I need more popcorn.
Dudes are this worried about what women are doing @ school and work? Seriously? I see plenty of guys with educations and most people I come across with more money and in higher-up positions are men.
If some of you wanna see men do better, you gotta realize that men have to help themselves. What women are accomplishing isnt holding men back. Its not the hardest thing for a guy to study, do well in school, finance his degrees and then get a good job. If someone cant accomplish a decent education or a decent job, Im not gonna make excuses for them if they didnt even try.
A lot of arguments in this thread remove personal responsibility when it comes to education and professional accomplishments. When a girl I know studied a crap major and complains about her low paying job, I shrug my shoulders because she ignored people who told her to study something with earning power. Its the same way I shrug when an old buddy of mine complains about his job, yet never went to college or vocational school, and ignores advice on how to better himself.
Personal choices folks. I used to be a go nowhere kid in a punk band, working minimum wage and Id talk crap about the rat race life of college and office jobs. Now I have two degrees, maturity and experience, and the ability to do better for myself. I have old friends from the punk scene that never grew up, and other who did wise up and plan their life properly. You wont see me making excuses and blame shifting for the people I know who ignored solid advice on how to better themselves.
Some people do deal with a lot of adversity and unfair circumstances...but many people simply ignore the right path towards a better life.
PS - Syrio, dont get wrapped into a circular debate on this forum. You've made your point, and some people simply wont accept differing viewpoints. Dont waste your time. A lot of stuff Im reading in this thread is unsurprisingly similar to the statements feminists make regarding women in school and the workforce.
Dudes are this worried about what women are doing @ school and work? Seriously? I see plenty of guys with educations and most people I come across with more money and in higher-up positions are men.
If some of you wanna see men do better, you gotta realize that men have to help themselves. What women are accomplishing isnt holding men back. Its not the hardest thing for a guy to study, do well in school, finance his degrees and then get a good job. If someone cant accomplish a decent education or a decent job, Im not gonna make excuses for them if they didnt even try.
A lot of arguments in this thread remove personal responsibility when it comes to education and professional accomplishments. When a girl I know studied a crap major and complains about her low paying job, I shrug my shoulders because she ignored people who told her to study something with earning power. Its the same way I shrug when an old buddy of mine complains about his job, yet never went to college or vocational school, and ignores advice on how to better himself.
Personal choices folks. I used to be a go nowhere kid in a punk band, working minimum wage and Id talk crap about the rat race life of college and office jobs. Now I have two degrees, maturity and experience, and the ability to do better for myself. I have old friends from the punk scene that never grew up, and other who did wise up and plan their life properly. You wont see me making excuses and blame shifting for the people I know who ignored solid advice on how to better themselves.
Some people do deal with a lot of adversity and unfair circumstances...but many people simply ignore the right path towards a better life.
PS - Syrio, dont get wrapped into a circular debate on this forum. You've made your point, and some people simply wont accept differing viewpoints. Dont waste your time. A lot of stuff Im reading in this thread is unsurprisingly similar to the statements feminists make regarding women in school and the workforce.
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80% of wealth controlled by women? That´s bs, I don´t know what you understand by control. The paper that he posted accounts for way too many variables, and as It says in the summary (I only read that and the results, it´s way too long)
“As a result, it is not possible now, and doubtless will never be possible, to determine reliably whether any portion of the observed gender wage gap is not attributable to factors that compensate women and men differently on socially acceptable bases, and hence can confidently be attributed to overt discrimination against women. “ So it says that it can´t be determined if overt discrimination against women occurs. Anyway Danger seems to me to be making valid points.
On the drugs on kids, I´ll say that I had to take Risperdal for over a year against my will when I was 14. It was my mother and grandmother´s (my mother mother) idea although my father said that they were sedatives for rage. He himself contested me with rage(and never took anything), because he has always been a beta while my mother wears the pants in the relationship.
I´m never ever forgiving her, not even in her deathbed, because she was the inner reason of those problems and every time I would argue with her she would say that “I just agree with your father, it´s what he says” with a guilty face and voice just as a sad child.
She never had the balls to oppose me face to face instead of redirecting to my father the responsibility for what she was machiaveling (which was as culpable for being a beta agreeing with her).
The same way my grandmother would never disagree with me in front of me, ****ing old little misery of person.
They (mother and grandmother) would sometimes tell me in a compassionate voice that I was sick, that made me angry as ****, because she was making me take drugs and not taking responsibility for it in my face, , I remember that by that time I wished that I would be able to beat her up. If I confronted them about why I had to take the damn drugs, my mother would just evade herself and act with a guilty compassionate face when she was near me, although she got my father to make me take those drugs (I even could hear her or my grandmother talking to him about me) and to take me the psychiatrist against my will (she was the one who decided that I had to take drugs since I wasn´t thinking the way she wanted); I literally had no physical choice (and I´m still supposed to go once a year for a talk with some woman, don’t know if obligated by law, but it´s a good thing I’m going to college and won´t be any close anymore, and anyway I could take down my father easily although there aren´t problems anymore).
Never give any credit about what a woman says in front of you, as you don´t know what she says to others about you, they are machiaveling creatures. Nowadays I have a good relationship with my parents but I´m never forgiving her that, I wonder if I still have bs from that drugs in my blood, or there are irreparable consequences.
Maybe we are moving to a different topic (although I remember that year I had the worst grades in my life)… anyway it feels great to talk to you about this, I hadn´t told anyone before since they would take me for a psych.
Btw she´s the same one that wanted me to take bs for acne, it seems to me like many people nowadays have some kind of blind faith in drugs, if they are given to them by someone with a degree.
“As a result, it is not possible now, and doubtless will never be possible, to determine reliably whether any portion of the observed gender wage gap is not attributable to factors that compensate women and men differently on socially acceptable bases, and hence can confidently be attributed to overt discrimination against women. “ So it says that it can´t be determined if overt discrimination against women occurs. Anyway Danger seems to me to be making valid points.
On the drugs on kids, I´ll say that I had to take Risperdal for over a year against my will when I was 14. It was my mother and grandmother´s (my mother mother) idea although my father said that they were sedatives for rage. He himself contested me with rage(and never took anything), because he has always been a beta while my mother wears the pants in the relationship.
I´m never ever forgiving her, not even in her deathbed, because she was the inner reason of those problems and every time I would argue with her she would say that “I just agree with your father, it´s what he says” with a guilty face and voice just as a sad child.
She never had the balls to oppose me face to face instead of redirecting to my father the responsibility for what she was machiaveling (which was as culpable for being a beta agreeing with her).
The same way my grandmother would never disagree with me in front of me, ****ing old little misery of person.
They (mother and grandmother) would sometimes tell me in a compassionate voice that I was sick, that made me angry as ****, because she was making me take drugs and not taking responsibility for it in my face, , I remember that by that time I wished that I would be able to beat her up. If I confronted them about why I had to take the damn drugs, my mother would just evade herself and act with a guilty compassionate face when she was near me, although she got my father to make me take those drugs (I even could hear her or my grandmother talking to him about me) and to take me the psychiatrist against my will (she was the one who decided that I had to take drugs since I wasn´t thinking the way she wanted); I literally had no physical choice (and I´m still supposed to go once a year for a talk with some woman, don’t know if obligated by law, but it´s a good thing I’m going to college and won´t be any close anymore, and anyway I could take down my father easily although there aren´t problems anymore).
Never give any credit about what a woman says in front of you, as you don´t know what she says to others about you, they are machiaveling creatures. Nowadays I have a good relationship with my parents but I´m never forgiving her that, I wonder if I still have bs from that drugs in my blood, or there are irreparable consequences.
Maybe we are moving to a different topic (although I remember that year I had the worst grades in my life)… anyway it feels great to talk to you about this, I hadn´t told anyone before since they would take me for a psych.
Btw she´s the same one that wanted me to take bs for acne, it seems to me like many people nowadays have some kind of blind faith in drugs, if they are given to them by someone with a degree.
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It's widely reported that women have influence over 70-80% of household spending (or saving if that was what a woman wanted). That is essentially controlling 80% of wealth as a practical matter.
http://thenextweb.com/socialmedia/2012/01/24/the-top-30-stats-you-need-to-know-when-marketing-to-women/
It's common sense and common knowledge that women spend and have a lot of control over men's wealth let alone their own. What makes a difference whether she earned it or not if say a gold digger who isn't even employed is a defacto millionaire because her husband or BF is?
Even single men who are childless and try to spend nothing on women still fund women through taxes for higher rates of welfare for women and their children and other subsidies for women.
You could argue that a fraction of 1% of men who are multi millionares and billionares hold more wealth than women (and 99% of men), but even then they usually have a wife who is de facto holding half the wealth or otherwise controlling half.
How many men can be gold diggers, receive welfare or child support? Where's the equality there?
If women "earned a $1 to every $1" men earned, which they'll never report it being the case, then women would be vastly over compensated and/or men undercompensated. Also, men would stop doing their higher skilled, demanding, productive, dangerous and hazardous and unpleasant, necessary jobs to take these better "female" jobs.
You femininist argue against the sky being blue if it suits your agenda.
It's strains credibilty to believe employers who do everything to lower labor costs including outsourcing would pay men more than women for the same work, or that they would risk doing that as that is a lawsuit waiting to happen. If anything, discrimination in pay and promotions is against (white) men because they are the only group the EEOC and the courts won't protect. Seen it myself.
http://thenextweb.com/socialmedia/2012/01/24/the-top-30-stats-you-need-to-know-when-marketing-to-women/
It's common sense and common knowledge that women spend and have a lot of control over men's wealth let alone their own. What makes a difference whether she earned it or not if say a gold digger who isn't even employed is a defacto millionaire because her husband or BF is?
Even single men who are childless and try to spend nothing on women still fund women through taxes for higher rates of welfare for women and their children and other subsidies for women.
You could argue that a fraction of 1% of men who are multi millionares and billionares hold more wealth than women (and 99% of men), but even then they usually have a wife who is de facto holding half the wealth or otherwise controlling half.
How many men can be gold diggers, receive welfare or child support? Where's the equality there?
If women "earned a $1 to every $1" men earned, which they'll never report it being the case, then women would be vastly over compensated and/or men undercompensated. Also, men would stop doing their higher skilled, demanding, productive, dangerous and hazardous and unpleasant, necessary jobs to take these better "female" jobs.
You femininist argue against the sky being blue if it suits your agenda.
It's strains credibilty to believe employers who do everything to lower labor costs including outsourcing would pay men more than women for the same work, or that they would risk doing that as that is a lawsuit waiting to happen. If anything, discrimination in pay and promotions is against (white) men because they are the only group the EEOC and the courts won't protect. Seen it myself.
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I make 100% of the income in our house.. well my wife has a trust check she gets but that goes into our savings account. Anyway, she probably makes... at least... 80% of all purchasing decisions in the house. What food to buy. She pays the bills, she buys our kids clothes, our kid's toys, she buys her clothes, she buys the pet food, etc. I tell her that I am low on bourbon she goes and gets more. When we decie to go on vacation she generally plans it, picks the hotels, picks the air line, etc.
the only thing in the house that I buy is
1. all electronics. I wont' let her buy electronics.
2. my clothes
3. MY entertainment stuff (i.e video games, my movies, etc)
4. Cars
while I make the money and control access to it for hte most part.. I put money on her debit card / transfer it to her account(s) so she can do what she needs to do, if she needs walking around money i put it on her debit card, etc, she makes the vast majority of the purchasing decisions in the house. Let me worry about running a business, i'll let her worry about which milk tastes best and what's the best deal on fish food.
the only thing in the house that I buy is
1. all electronics. I wont' let her buy electronics.
2. my clothes
3. MY entertainment stuff (i.e video games, my movies, etc)
4. Cars
while I make the money and control access to it for hte most part.. I put money on her debit card / transfer it to her account(s) so she can do what she needs to do, if she needs walking around money i put it on her debit card, etc, she makes the vast majority of the purchasing decisions in the house. Let me worry about running a business, i'll let her worry about which milk tastes best and what's the best deal on fish food.
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IMO they shouldn't.Stagger Lee said:
Instead, women should find a way of getting the "better" men to commit.
Namely fighting to help men in America get their rights back.
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At the end of the day it's all nonsense anyway. Die hard cathedralytes, jaded and penis envying manjaws and their pudding pop mangina lapdogs can "grrrrl power" until the cows home. It's not going to change the fact that as more women celebrate and gloat over their make work social "science" degrees and more men drop out society tanks just that little bit more and the closer we get to joining the third world horde. Hell even the two chicks trolling you guys are aware of this on gut instinct.
I can in a weird way see why this is tempting to the diseased mind of a liberal. In that type of scenario we are all losers which I imagine is kind of comforting for the life loser who's entire mentality is made up of a perpetual state of fear and victimhood. A kind of "If I can't can't win, everyone must lose" type deal. Am I wrong?
I can in a weird way see why this is tempting to the diseased mind of a liberal. In that type of scenario we are all losers which I imagine is kind of comforting for the life loser who's entire mentality is made up of a perpetual state of fear and victimhood. A kind of "If I can't can't win, everyone must lose" type deal. Am I wrong?
Good post. And this is what I gather from situations such as yours.backbreaker said:
Men have the money and the power. Men ALLOW women to make purchasing decisions. This does NOT mean she has the money or the power...especially if a smart man has a prenup as well, in order to make sure he always has the money and the power.
I hope guys can realize the difference between a woman spending someone else's money vs a person with power and influence spending their own money. Its misguided when some people get their feathers all ruffled and start whining about "Women control 80% of finances". Nope not really.
The man controls the flow of money, and ultimately all the finances of the house. He merely allows a woman to make decision on his behalf. This is all assuming we are talking about a household where the man makes most of the loot. In a household where the incomes are closer in amount, things are different.
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But you dumb a$$. Most men are not redpill and allow the wrong women this same freedom. Beta fagg)t's, allow women to run free with this sh!t as the fvck other dudes. So your post is very misleading.Jaylan said:
Lmao...Im the dumb ass huh?noobolgy said:
What gives you the right to label other men beta fagg0ts? What have you done in your life that makes you alpha? Youve havent really accomplished sh!t in your life professionally or monteraily so far, yet here you are trying to chew out other men with regard to how their money is spent?
Youre in a thread whining about women and their education opportunities....and lemme ask you...have you done any sort of schooling that you are currently putting to use? I saw your recent thread about finally finding a decent working opportunity...after almost having to go live in a shelter. You learned a trade and are going to go work now...so why should anyone be shamed for learning something in school in order to work (regardless of gender).
Youve had crappy jobs recently...and you wanna b!tch about the fact that women are going to college in order to have a decent job? You wanna put down other men for how they allow their money to be used? Come on now.
No wonder you were so attracted to this topic. You gonna blame society for the fact that chicks are out there getting degrees, jobs, and money to spend?...while it took you this long to find your way (and hopefully that job doesnt fall through). Youre a good example of the point I was making earlier. Its dumb to get mad at women for trying to succeed in school and make that money. If there are men failing, it cant always be blamed on society and their need to be personal accountability.
And its also dumb to put down other men's decisions on how to spend their money when you barely have a dime. If they are beta for allowing their women to worry about stocking up the house with needed items...what does that make a man like you, who has no money at all? And from your posts over the years, you havent done everything you need to do to succeed. So you shouldnt be someone whos trying to shame other people based on their school or money decisions. How about you get somewhere with yourself first.
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This thread is very "feminine".
I also find it ironic that someone here recommended "Men on Strike" a book written by a WOMAN.
Even though I agree with most of what she says I realise women in general LOVE to write and talk...very few take ACTION.
This thread is just like the book...it's like one big therapeutic session.
Where everyone talks about "feelings" and why this and that is wrong.
If I cared enough about this issue I would do three things.
1. Find out who has the biggest power in changing the school system.
2. Find out how previous school systems were changed.
3. Meet with person in step 1 and go about changing schools in a similar way to step 2.
Problem solved...if it isn't that simple either repeat step 2 or replace step 2 by finding a new way.
If someone can do this, do us all a favour and make school about INGENUITY, rather than about reading books, listening to lectures and repeating it all back "in your own words".
I also find it ironic that someone here recommended "Men on Strike" a book written by a WOMAN.
Even though I agree with most of what she says I realise women in general LOVE to write and talk...very few take ACTION.
This thread is just like the book...it's like one big therapeutic session.
Where everyone talks about "feelings" and why this and that is wrong.
If I cared enough about this issue I would do three things.
1. Find out who has the biggest power in changing the school system.
2. Find out how previous school systems were changed.
3. Meet with person in step 1 and go about changing schools in a similar way to step 2.
Problem solved...if it isn't that simple either repeat step 2 or replace step 2 by finding a new way.
If someone can do this, do us all a favour and make school about INGENUITY, rather than about reading books, listening to lectures and repeating it all back "in your own words".
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VikingKing
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You should really educate yourself on misandry, and the result of feminism. but a one eyed joe aint fit to push a broom, like you is far to progressive to look a the truth.Jaylan said:
Gaylan, step up, be a man.
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VikingKing
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So one woman actually sees the truth for what it is. She has more balls than gaylan, ill give her that. But thats not saying much.3agle 3yes said:
VikingKing
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Have you ever considered marrying gaylan now that gay marriage is legal?Syrio said:
