Women graduating in college more than men

[FairShake]

The numbers would be even more disproportionate if not for immigrant men.

The problem is that American guys today are dudes and not men.

And I'm not sure I blame women for this but the dudes themselves. The only limits they have on education are self-imposed. Their Xbox, their porn, their beer, this generation isn't cutting it despite more opportunity than any other generation before. The abundance mentality meets it's illogical conclusion.

For all the nonsense women bring to our lives they aren't keeping us out of college and they aren't keeping us out of work. That is on US.

 

[Stagger Lee]

For all the nonsense women bring to our lives they aren't keeping us out of college and they aren't keeping us out of work. That is on US.

You didn't read the thread or ever here of biased grading, affirmative action, Title IX of the Civil Rights acts, the drugging of male children for "ADD" etc.? Women and their white knight collaborators have long taken over education and human resources depts. Women and their WK enablers absolutely are keeping men out of college and work. Affirmative action alone directly takes up to 70% or more opportunities away based primarily on gender and ethnicity.

Putting aside female professors and WKs grading you unfairly too low to get into a competitive major, in the strictest sense women aren't absolutely keeping a male from going to college. But if he goes into any field that's not still male dominated like engineering, the faculty can run you out for any reasoning they pull out of their butt and make sure your references are all bad. And just try work in a field where females dominate now and see if they can't keep you from working if they want to.

 

[Jaylan]

The numbers would be even more disproportionate if not for immigrant men.

The problem is that American guys today are dudes and not men.

And I'm not sure I blame women for this but the dudes themselves. The only limits they have on education are self-imposed. Their Xbox, their porn, their beer, this generation isn't cutting it despite more opportunity than any other generation before. The abundance mentality meets it's illogical conclusion.

For all the nonsense women bring to our lives they aren't keeping us out of college and they aren't keeping us out of work. That is on US.

Bingo.

I said it before, and Ill say it another time...men have all the ability to hit the books at university, or go to vocational school, or get an apprenticeship. Women arent keeping us from doing that. I went to a liberal college in a very liberal town...and I knew kids who were on the right side of the political spectrum who did just find in class and made it out with their degrees.

One of the most respected professors at that school is a republican and he doesnt hide it. Undergrad isnt really that hard. Study the material, pass the tests, practice passable essay writing, and youll get a degree just fine. Most people should at least be able to get some sort of Associates degree.

A lot of people who fail need to look in the mirror for a place to throw blame. Excuses galore in this thread.

 

[goldengoose]

Maybe they are banging or blowing their professors to get that extra advantage for Graduation Day? Comes as no surprise to me as I know 2 chicks who got A's in both Psychology and Economics for a little sexy time with our astute and well respected professors. A little T&A has gone a long way for many years to get many women to places they normally would have never been. That is the truth right there my friends.

 

[Syrio]

Actually the thread is about women graduating college in greater numbers then men, and why that is (more grants for women, etc,...).


To which you say: Men make more money so they have it better, so stop complaining.

My reply is still the same: Men make more money because of the occupations they choose and the longer hours they work as evidenced by the study I linked. So why should women be GIVEN something simply because men EARNED more?


I have yet to hear your answer to this, as you like to avoid questions you have no logical response for and which you know shut down your argument.

I said this thread is full of men complaining that women have all the power, which is true. Go read what people are writing.

I've responded to this multiple times and explained to you why it is a fallacy. You should be able to realize this by now. I've said everything that needs to be said to 100% prove that your argument is wrong, so I'm done arguing with you. Even writing this short reply is such a waste of time and I don't know why I'm doing it. Just go back and read my past posts if you still don't understand, which seems to be the case.

The other thing is, you have to realize the reality of this situation. This isn't even an argument. This is me trying to educate you about objective facts and you being completely irrational and unwilling to listen.

 

[dasein]

I would just like to point out once again, for those who seem to have forgotten, that this thread is full of MEN complaining that WOMEN have all the power. Not the other way around lol... This is men screaming MATRIARCHY rather than women screaming PATRIARCHY. But really it's the same thing (or arguably more pathetic)

Nice distortion/lie. This thread is about the fact that despite the blaring bullhorn of feminism in our ears for 50+ years demanding more and more discriminatory treatment favoring women to this day, the facts don't back the bullhorn up. No men here are advocating for special treatment for men at women's disadvantage, feminists do that. No men here are complaining that one gender has all the power, feminists do that.

What men are complaining about here are the bad effects of feminism on society and that the whole feminist religion does not have and never had any factual underpinning to start with. Yet we have results like this that cost us all:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/659dkrod.asp

The above describes REAL numbers, hundreds of billions of dollars diverted away from the economic sectors hardest hit towards economic sectors that weren't damaged at all... merely because those undamaged sectors employ more women. This kind of garbage is why we are still in economic malaise 6 years after the collapse despite massive government and Fed action. The above is real, feminism is fake, other than the massive damage it does to society in so many ways.

 

[dasein]

Right, but men were still the ones who decided the wars,

Patent horsesh-t. Men as a gender didn't decide anything. INDIVIDUALS did. The above reasoning is just as bogus as claiming "men invented everything." When it's time to rake in discriminatory advantage or assign blame, feminists are all about generalizations, "women this, men this, blabla." This is transparent bigotry.

When it's time to measure anything else though, feminists curiously transition to "don't you dare generalize, not all feminists/women are like that!" Feminism has been allowed to fester and pursue its goals totally unquestioned and unhindered (which ironically instantly disproves patriarchy theory). No more. Time to haul the rotting, smelly carcass of the feminist lie narrative out into the light of day.

Imagine what kind of complete ahole sees the world strictly through identity groups, their own group, what kind of disgusting bigot does that? Feminists are no better than racists, white supremacists, religious fanatics. Feminists are thoroughly disgusting people advocating disgusting, discriminatory policy carried out at the length of the government gun barrel, traded for votes, because feminists are too chicken sh-t to commit their own theft. Reasonable women are waking up, leaving feminism in droves to the solipsistic, privileged ahole types posting in defense of it in this thread.

 

[dasein]

You didn't read the thread or ever here of biased grading, affirmative action, Title IX of the Civil Rights acts, the drugging of male children for "ADD" etc.? Women and their white knight collaborators have long taken over education and human resources depts. Women and their WK enablers absolutely are keeping men out of college and work. Affirmative action alone directly takes up to 70% or more opportunities away based primarily on gender and ethnicity.

Putting aside female professors and WKs grading you unfairly too low to get into a competitive major, in the strictest sense women aren't absolutely keeping a male from going to college. But if he goes into any field that's not still male dominated like engineering, the faculty can run you out for any reasoning they pull out of their butt and make sure your references are all bad. And just try work in a field where females dominate now and see if they can't keep you from working if they want to.

Here's how it's working out in the law right now. More and more companies are building their inhouse legal departments as opposed to using outside counsel. My past gender neutral law trade magazines, Inside Counsel for one, have been completely coopted into feminist rags. They lie and create an "inequality" in this case "there aren't as many women as men in general counsel positions" and then use it to benefit their own in discriminatory BLATANT ways. Talk about a "good ole boy" network. There are "women in the law" seminars all over the country where they network at the exclusion of men (just think what would happen if men had "men only" networking in ANY field and advertised it, LOL). The ONLY reason women haven't completely overtaken the field is that they can't be bothered to do real work, and once they latch onto the right man, they will be leaving to do the mommy track near instantly. (As an aside guys, think you are getting a great deal by marrying a professional woman who makes 200k+? think that's going to continue for any length of time once you are roped in? Think again my friends, have seen it a dozen times.)

Dasein's Law of Gender Dynamics in the Modern Workplace - So long as feminists are able to convince corporate America that women aren't treated fairly, and as long as there are a few men to do the actual thinking/technical work, any service economy industry will be transformed into 1) hordes of underperforming women making outsized salaries due to "equality" concerns and quotas backed by 2) fewer and fewer men having to shoulder more and more real work in support of all the deadweight women. This is not done anywhere else in the world, so watch our competitiveness go right down the toilet sooner rather than later.

The leftist propagandists will be immediately onhand to tell us how the collapse is due to "greedy Wall Street bankers, deregulation, political opposition policies, lower taxes, etc." and the real cause will be caving to feminism.

We have totally reengineered the US workplace to be more accommodative of women over the last 50 years, bent over backwards to an unwise degree. Now we have two general tiers of work, easy makework jobs that women are paid outsized salaries for in marketing, HR, legal, and the actual work of business that men are expected to do more and more of, making less, so that women can be "equal."

Then we turn to the public sector, which has essentially become one giant welfare program for women, full of clerks, social workers, functionary women doing the work of 1/3 of a man for the same pay. Good luck being male and getting those cushy AC gov jobs. Sure you can get the nasty, hard govt jobs inspecting restarants or doing groundswork, but all the cake is reserved for the women. I see this literally every day in every govt office I work in.

 

[VikingKing]

Syrio and jurry. How can you not admit that women have way more security nets via 1. beta providers 2. More tax revenue through social services goes to women than men. 3. In general society is far more sympathetic towards women than men ie. women are more likely to get a lesser sentence for committing a crime, or even if she just crys some one is more likely to sympathize with her (kind of like you two are doing in this thread) where as if a man is having a hard time, I promise you no one gives a fvck. Men are not allowed to make mistakes, only women and children are. Also due to the amount of blue pill beta's women can slack off and or make mistakes at work (I've seen it as have many others) and not get reprimanded.

Think outside the box here. As whole, in general women as a GROUP make less money, because they dont have to work at all or as much. They take money from men via some men are dumb betas who will just pay for a girls expenses. Or is she has kids and becomes a parasitic single mother, she gets child support, welfare ect, and if she works its a menial job that a high functioning person with down syndrome can do.

Now, women have more handicaps to. Companies HAVE to hire women due to the law, they have quota's. Not because the women are qualified, or experienced, or worked hard. Its literally because companies have to or they are in trouble. Companies also can get in trouble for firing a female if she claims discrimination. Sh!t I wish I had they job security, if I did I probably would not work very hard.

Now of the women that are actually qualified, have experience, ect. Compared to the men that they work with of equal qualifications, and experience, that work the same hours, those women get paid more than there male peers.

See how that works? As a whole, collectively women earn less because they don't have to, so they choose not to, why would they?

But if you break down the statistics and compare qualified, experienced women to qualified experienced men, who have both been working for the same company (or at least industry) for the same amount of years; the women make more.

I really just broke this down real simple. It makes complete sense. This is what they are talking about when they say the raw statistics aren't really valid.

You have to compare apples to apples. You can't take a man who is a hedge fund trader and compare him to a ghetto single mother with 6 kids on welfare and say "look men make more, its so unfair."

Apples to apples

 

[jurry]

Dasein - really.. The financial collapse in 2008 was due to feminism? Hahahaha... Please find one credible economist or source that would back up such nonsense.

Noobolgy - again you're raising the same point as danger, i said men make more than women, they do. Men have had and still do have the vast majority of control in all areas of business, politics, economics, etc. And you guys are raving like lunatics over one study saying women are graduating at a higher rate then men. WHO THE FVCK CARES??? Is the world implodng in a wave of feminist takeover? Is there vast sexism and inequality towards men? No! We are still in control of almost every facet of the country. It has turned back significantly in the past 50 years for more equality towards women and i think thats great, all you have for evidence to the contrary is anecdotal accounts of women in the workplace. Give me numbers, give me data. What is the problem?!

I've dated plenty of girls who are successful and make more than me, one of the girls i date now makes way more money than i do, who cares? She still sucks my dîck and makes me dinner whenever i want, what in gods name are you people complaining about? Some men are dumb lazy pieces of shiit, so are some women. Some men let women walk all over them and dominate them, great, thats how its been since the beginning of time.

EDIT: k, so zero evidence and zero data from any of you just a bunch of anecdotal, theoretical garbage.

Done with this thread, not wasting any more posts on people with their heads buried in the sand.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Dasein is hitting this on the nail. Feminism is no different than racism or sexism. It's worse really and more insane and baseless. It's definitely based in sexism. It's really a form of classism just based on lies, selfishness and envy . Feminism tolerates a small minority of males, but places the vast majority of males in an underclass position.

Women bring the same hypergamous attitude in dating to government and commerce .Living in feminist America is something liking dating a BPD woman but without the sex.

 

[Syrio]

No, you have not said why this is a fallacy.

So my point still stands.

You secondary assertion is that the careers themselves are kept at a low salary because they are "mostly women"

All of these things are false lol... this is why I don't talk to you, Danger. The fact that you think these things are true. You're just terrible at reading comprehension.

 

[VikingKing]

Dasein - really.. The financial collapse in 2008 was due to feminism? Hahahaha... Please find one credible economist or source that would back up such nonsense.

Noobolgy - again you're raising the same point as danger, i said men make more than women, they do. Men have had and still do have the vast majority of control in all areas of business, politics, economics, etc. And you guys are raving like lunatics over one study saying women are graduating at a higher rate then men. WHO THE FVCK CARES??? Is the world implodng in a wave of feminist takeover? Is there vast sexism and inequality towards men? No! We are still in control of almost every facet of the country. It has turned back significantly in the past 50 years for more equality towards women and i think thats great, all you have for evidence to the contrary is anecdotal accounts of women in the workplace. Give me numbers, give me data. What is the problem?!

I've dated plenty of girls who are successful and make more than me, one of the girls i date now makes way more money than i do, who cares? She still sucks my dîck and makes me dinner whenever i want, what in gods name are you people complaining about? Some men are dumb lazy pieces of shiit, so are some women. Some men let women walk all over them and dominate them, great, thats how its been since the beginning of time.

A FEW men at the top have control, and always will. But the common man is getting screwed by feminism. The point danger made, and I made is very, valid.

Evidence? If the truth was reported it would be labeled as misgogynist and who ever presented it would be shamed, black balled, and accused of being stupid. Oh wait, isn't that what you syrio, and jurry are doing?

Danger and dasien are way older than me, you and jurry. They have experienced life and the work place. If you listen you can learn. Instead you choose to regurgitate liberal/ feminist propaganda you learn in the public school system in this country.

That is exactly what your doing. All your opinions perfectly line up with the leftist brainwashing you received.

Don't worry. One day you will learn.

 

[JaegerPilot217]

And it seems the vast majority of hot, cute, pretty women ages 22 and older, or 23 and older have a college degree of some sort, that sucks because I would like to find one that lacks a college degree since I lack a degree as well, because I'm assuming most girls won't date a guy that has a lower education level than she does

 

[Mike32ct]

And it seems the vast majority of hot, cute, pretty women ages 22 and older, or 23 and older have a college degree of some sort, that sucks because I would like to find one that lacks a college degree since I lack a degree as well, because I'm assuming most girls won't date a guy that has a lower education level than she does

I know what you mean. Certainly, they prefer a guy with a degree, but I think having a comparable (or higher) income than the degree guy is more important. So a guy in a decent paying trade or non-degree job or with his own business should do fine with ladies that are college graduates.

 

[JaegerPilot217]

I know what you mean. Certainly, they prefer a guy with a degree, but I think having a comparable (or higher) income than the degree guy is more important. So a guy in a decent paying trade or non-degree job or with his own business should do fine with ladies that are college graduates.

If anybody knows of any guys that have been able to hook up or date girls that made more money than the guy, now I am NOT saying that I am looking for a sugar momma, its that her body and looks is what makes me want to date her, as to why I'm attracted to her in the first place

 

[Syrio]

Well, you did say this, per the quote below.....


To which I said....


So if you weren't asserting that the salary's were low because it was mainly women, what were you asserting?



And that is the only post I found with any sort of "refutation" to my points.


I do notice you have now made considerably more posts of....

• Calling me names
• Saying I am wrong
• Claiming you rebutted my statements
• Telling me you won't "post your reasons again"

....then you have of actually discussing the topic. You have wasted more energy dodging and denying that you would have by just posting a reasonable response.


Now, isn't that interesting. Certainly not the actions taken by one with a strong case.


I'll repeat:

Men make more than women because.....men work more hours, and men choose higher paying occupations. So why do you think women should be GIVEN benefits based on men working more and making better decisions on occupations?

Yup, you found the relevant quote. However, you failed to understand its core meaning again. And to clarify, that is not due to me explaining it poorly - I explained it perfectly well. This is due to your inability to comprehend.

Also I'm sorry that you can't find where I refuted all of your points.

And lastly, stop whining about name calling. I called you stupid a few times, which is not "name calling" and it's true. It's not an insult, it's an objectively true observation. You are an unintelligent person. Sorry that I have to be the one to break it to you, though I have a feeling I'm not the first person to tell you this.

 

[Mike32ct]

If anybody knows of any guys that have been able to hook up or date girls that made more money than the guy, now I am NOT saying that I am looking for a sugar momma, its that her body and looks is what makes me want to date her, as to why I'm attracted to her in the first place

I know two guys with average jobs who are dating higher paid lawyer chicks. Both guys are good looking.

 

[Stagger Lee]

I know two guys with average jobs who are dating higher paid lawyer chicks. Both guys are good looking.

I think that is key. You're going to have to look good and maybe better than guys with jobs at her level and higher to make up for not having more money or job status than the woman. Or put it another way, you're going to have date some less attractive females who have good jobs.

 

[HoneyHitter]

It's really hard to believe Syrio is male.

Not because of "his" standpoint, but a lack of basic reasoning skills and how "he" can't carry arguments to a(ny) logical conclusion.

And also starts out by bashing all the commenters before "him", telling them to "man up".

And additionally resorts to personal attacks whenever someone disagrees, instead of giving a reasonable counter-argument.