Women graduating in college more than men

[Jaylan]

It pisses me off on how most girls with college degrees expect a guy to be college educated ad well

I expect a girl Im going to be serious with to be college educated.

Most people tend to date people similar to them. College educated generally date other college educated folks. And people tend to date within a similar income bracket.

Having things in common breeds understanding and its easier to relate to one another. Im not saying I wouldnt date a girl who hasnt gone to school...but I generally have more in common with women who are educated and are working professionals.

I notice a big difference in the quality of a woman and the kind of job she has based on her education. Where I live, the women who didnt go to college are generally less quality, and less intellectual. This isnt all women...but sure does seem to be a lot of them.

There's no such thing as scholarships to encourage men to go into fields that they are "underrepresented" in.

If a female wants to into STEM, she gets a much better financial aid package than if a guy wanted to go into female dominated fields such as say nursing or dental hygiene or middle school teaching. The dude's "financial aid" would be pretty much all loans lol, not scholarships or grants.

Really? Because I know smart dudes who got grants and scholarships during college. Heck, guys looking to get into teaching have the board of education basically begging them to come aboard where I live. They are trying to diversify the teaching base and get more role models of different backgrounds into the field.

And when it comes to post-grad acceptance and placement into those programs, there does seem to be a preference for men, considering the shortage of male teachers in primary and secondary education.

What degree are they graduating with? I don't recall that many women in any of my Business Management classes.

Thats one thing that surprised me at university. My business school was half female, and I had always assumed it was a male dominated major before I got to uni.

When you guys say that education favors feminine perspectives, do you have anything to support this? I don't think you do, and honestly my experience is, if anything, the opposite.

Honestly the biggest factor that I see in my grades for assignments where this would be relevant (mostly essays) is just the quality of my writing. Whether I'm writing something that comes off as more feminine or masculine, the grade is almost entirely contingent on how well written my paper is.

I think that instead of complaining about you guys' bad grades and saying that women get an advantage, you should just work harder and get better grades. Let's be completely honest - all of this bullsh1t you guys are writing about women being favored academically is exactly that: bullsh1t. I don't know about you, but I (as a man) am capable of getting better grades than most women. They don't have any advantage over me, and even if they did I wouldn't b1tch about it.

And I'd just like to note that in my four years of college, all of my professors were pretty objective except for one, who everyone knew clearly favored male students.

Most of my professors in college were objective....but a few clearly leaned left or right politically, and a couple others favored male or female students more.

With regards to the "work harder" advice. Honestly thats a big part of it. Maybe it was just my luck...but whenever I had group work to do or team assignments, the person who seemed to do the least amount and least quality work in the group always seemed to be a guy.

This isnt to say I never saw females slack off...and I know some female college drop outs myself....but women by and large seem to at least try and finish 2-year college. They seem to have more to prove and/or at least wanna finish up something in school. I think part of this is that a lot of work women want to get into requires at the least, a 2-year degree nowadays, even for secretarial work.

On the other hand, there are numerous traditional male jobs that only require apprenticeship, getting licensing, and going to vocational school. While there are a lot of jobs women can get going this route...I can think of many more male dominated fields that go this route. And I dont think these numbers go into the college graduation figures. Truck drivers, construction workers, plumbers and HVAC guys usually get to where they are through vocational school, apprenticeship and then licensing.

Anyways, to sum that all up, I think women are more likely to graduate college and less likely to slack off in school, because they need it more to get a decent job.

 

[dasein]

Anyone who is really interested in this topic, especially as parents, should read Christina Hoff Sommers "The War Against Boys." It covers the topic well.

1. Govschool has been formatted towards women for decades in the name of "equality." This is done by concentration on rote memorization, even in STEM classes, at the expense of analytical and spatial reasoning. Women can sit, memorize and regurgitate anything. Men don't have the patience for it, but excel in problem solving, spatial and analytical reasoning, which is why mathematics has been so deemphasized compared to the past.

2. Another way "equality" has been achieved is by gender norming standardized test scores via question selection. This is where they toss questions that take logical or spatial reasoning to figure because they "discriminate" (women don't get them right as much). This is why many of the standardized test questions just don't "look right" to a reasonable, highly capable test taker. Those have been purposefully inserted because women tend to get them right more for whatever reason. With those, the best strategy is to answer them how you think an illogical, emotional woman would and you'll usually get them right.

3. The favoritism towards girls at all levels, even up to graduate school and then into the workplace, is undeniable. How do I found this? Because I've worked closely with hundreds of people over the years, and it's only the females who can have stellar credentials and yet be absolute idiots (men can be a0holes just fine, that's not what I'm saying). -SOME- women are every bit as competent as men, to get that caveat out of the way, but what I'm talking is financial lawyers/investment bankers/MBAs who can't use a basic calculator, explain the time value of money, EBITDA, LIBOR or regression (raw basics for anyone who has never had a finance or acctg class)... not exaggerating. Nor can they use a spreadsheet... but let a Powerpoint presentation need come down the line that a brain damaged secretary could do? Well they are all over that, and will spend literally WEEKS crafting and recrafting their PP slides. Have seen ZERO men like that... ever. Dozens of women.

In fact, have seen it so bad that a bizarre inversion takes place where the female "professional" will try to shirk off the actual substantive work onto secretaries, paralegals and interns while reserving the secretarial and grunt work for herself, yes, literally drafting memos, title pages, Emails and letters all day when she's supposed to be drafting and negotiating a purchase agreement or bond indenture. The other side calls to negotiate the deal docs and she is oblivious, literally gives the whole thing away so she can get back to crafting her PP presentation or planning some firm social function.

One experience sticks out (there have been dozens similar) where a double Ivy League lawyer senior to me at the firm spent the first ten minutes of a 12 minute assignment meeting describing how she wanted the tabs and headings done on a closing binder, something I was going to turn over to a paralegal instantly the minute I left the room. I found out that I had been "called in" in the middle of many deals where there were no men on it and the women had no idea of how to get the thing done... and corporate law is not really all that hard. These were cream of the crop supposedly. I never saw this with men.

Then there was the woman in an office near mine who literally worked a 5 hour day in a Wall Street law firm. She was "flex time" and known for doing absolutely -nothing-. She decided to leave the firm altogether to spend more time with the kid, and as that screwed their M/F ratio, they begged her to become a partner, which meant none of the extremely hard working 90 hour week men in her class would be offered partnership that year.


So all the widdle girlies in the thread pretending to be men on the "evil PUA site?" You can all blow me. I have about 500 gray hairs that I shouldn't have at this age due to having to work with dozens of "genius women" who were given a boost from elementary school on. According to what I hear from friends... and lots of them the competent type of female, who are much more vocal about this phenomenon than men because it hurts them even more than it hurts men... my experience is widespread.

 

[jurry]

Another feminist? I don't blame women as a whole. I blame the individuals who allowed women the right to be considered equal to men.


You know we have a lot of problems here in the u.s. There are many veterans who are homeless, no one cares. Yet we have money for foodstamps and welfare for parasitic single mothers and their children? Honestly If I had a choice, I would choose to not contribute to helping single mothers in any way shape or form, its wrong that I can't opt out.

Having to accommodate women in any way shape or form in schools, places of business, or the military, or any thing else is a waste of time, effort and money. If they want to be equal, they should be expected to do it without special treatment.

Women have way to much security in our society. They have to many options. We cater to them far to much, and it is at the expense of men. Men should be properly informed of how things are (hypergamy, game, ect) from a very young age, then asked if we would like to cater to women in society.

I bet men would say no. Women would have to either got back to life before the feminist movement, or they would have to actually have it as hard as the common man, which then they would miserably fail. Women would give up if they were held as accountable as men.

Wow this post.. Jesus man lol.. Agree with syrio, you are probably the most delusional and idiotic person i've ever encountered on the internet. And i have encountered quite a few. Wow.. Congrats! I'd rather argue with a rock. I'm guessing you're over 40 yrs old living in the bible belt?

 

[Dhoulmagus]

Like that previous guy posted, the black community is a mirror image of our future.

 

[3agle 3yes]

I blame the individuals who allowed women the right to be considered equal to men.

Women ARE equal to men, however the mistake society makes is that they think:

EQUAL means THE SAME.

Women are equal to men, they are just not the same as men and must therefore be treated DIFFERENTLY.

Men and women are meant to COMPLIMENT each other.

Anyway back to the topic, IMO women do better in school because women do better in STRUCTURED, CONSTRAINT environments.

They are also better at being TOLD WHAT TO DO and struggle when a task involves FLEXIBILITY and NO RULES.

Women make better secretaries and PA's but struggle to be entrepreneurs...the more CREATIVE the job the less a woman will be good at it.

Notice the most popular/best fashion designers and hair stylist (predominantly female focused) are MEN.

On a final note, the education system is a farce.

Top grades aren't acquired through intelligence, it is acquired by reading books and/or listening, REMEMBERING the answers and then repeating them in your own words...even a monkey can do that.

 

[Merciless Dj]

Read the book "Men On Strike" by Helen Smith. This is quite common and there are many reasons for it.

Anyone who is really interested in this topic, especially as parents, should read Christina Hoff Sommers "The War Against Boys." It covers the topic well.

Thx guys! Nice info
http://www.scribd.com/doc/199755941...nd-the-American-Dream-And-Why-It-Matters-2013
I haven´t been able to find where to read the whole "The War Against Boys" book for free but what I have read seems really worthy. Any help?

 

[VikingKing]

Thx guys! Nice info
http://www.scribd.com/doc/199755941...nd-the-American-Dream-And-Why-It-Matters-2013
I haven´t been able to find where to read the whole "The War Against Boys" book for free but what I have read seems really worthy. Any help?

I just read that link. That is a great book.
I'm going to buy a hard copy when I can.

 

[3agle 3yes]

I don't mean to continually beat the drum and go off-topic but I found page 25 interesting:

Those Alpha men with fifteen to thirty partners are the
most
marriage-minded. Perhaps if an Alpha is not an all-out player, he is more likely to have the confidence and prior positive experience to believe he can make a mar-riage work and is confident enough to feel that nothing will go wrong legally or otherwise.

I resonate with this attitude and I think the more likely reason for the pro-marriage tendency is that these men prefer the QUALITY of relationships rather than the QUANTITY.

 

[VikingKing]

I don't mean to continually beat the drum and go off-topic but I found page 25 interesting:


I resonate with this attitude and I think the more likely reason for the pro-marriage tendency is that these men prefer the QUALITY of relationships rather than the QUANTITY.

Until they go through a divorce.

 

[JaegerPilot217]

G Govan is the only one remotely close to being correct on this issue




it's litearlly easier for women to get through college for a varity of reasons


1. the vast majority of men I know, have to be "men" by the time they are 18. Go get your own damn loans, go get your own damn place, I cant take care of a grown man, man up, **** like that. the only 2 dudes I know that live at home by the time they are in college were forced to pay rent at home to "man up" versus being able to stay at home rent free like every other female I know.




I know a girl who just turned 27, has a degree, a real job and a business that makes more htan her real job AND STILL LIVES AT HOME RENT FREE. beucase her dad "doesn't want to see her go". how many 27 year old men do you know get t live at home rent free without being called every name in the book?




on top of that, 18- 19 year old women, hot ones lol get swo much free ****. when I was 21 I apid for a girl's entire semester of school beucase I liked her. how many men can do this? this girl, with a c avg between her parents ande me lol didn't hve a penny of student loan debt when she left school.




it's just easier for women. women not only get the **** professions, kthey get to cake walk through them by getting help from everyone

Easier for good looking, decent looking or average looking women, I doubt ugly looking women, and its mainly easy for those women when they are young, like starting at 18 and lasting throughout their 20's, and some extent their early 30's, and ya women don't need to be responsible or self-sufficient, that's a luxury they have, and they get to enjoy their youth more than guys do with less work to do

 

[3agle 3yes]

I think the alpha men have waaaay more than 30 partners.

I'm somewhere around 100 and I'm nothing special and never get approached in the bars/clubs. Nor do I get girls checking me out too much there either, but I have seen plenty of good looking guys get random chicks throwing themselves at them.

Forget the exact number of partners, I just mean the type of alpha that has less partners than others.

I realised I have less sexual partners than other "alphas" that I know, it might be because I value quality over quantity.

Though what equates quantity could be subjective to some people.

 

[( . )( . )]

Wow this post.. Jesus man lol.. Agree with syrio, you are probably the most delusional and idiotic person i've ever encountered on the internet. And i have encountered quite a few. Wow.. Congrats! I'd rather argue with a rock. I'm guessing you're over 40 yrs old living in the bible belt?

1."Wow,just wow" = Check
2.The charge of insanity = Check
3.The charge of stupidity = Check
4.The charge of being one of those old stuffy white *GASP*..CHRISTIANS!! (coz patriarchy)= Check

Syrio and jurry I think this has gone on long enough and I dare say I speak for every man here.. besides jaylan of course:

TITS OR GTFO!!



Edit:

I've been thinking about this for quite some time now. My boy is going into grade 3. His fvck head mother had him diagnosed with ASD and ADHD.

She's a herd creature doing what the herd tells her is best for her child. True story, I work with 4 men who's boys are all dosed up for suffering from this perculiar Western affliction. What's even more odd is they are happy about it. Good job fellas, now your kid can sit still and watch some childless leftard mouthbreather parrot her equalist pablum for 6 hours a day Fathers of the year.

 

[VikingKing]

I would love to home school my boy, but it's just not possible. He works so much better when I help him with his homework (which he was too stubborn to do at school), but it's just not going to happen and I have to fight like hell with his mother to avoid putting him on Ritalin.

At least hes got you man. So many boys are just sh!t out of luck. The guy a referenced here http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2153443&postcount=4

He grew up poor, with his single mom. He was on medications for bipolar, schizophrenia, medications to make him piss, not piss, to sleep ect by the time he was 11. Once he was being bullied by a teacher, and he jumped out of a first story window, not to kill himslef he was just really upset and she wouldnt let him leave the classroom.

He spent a lot of time in a Juvenal detention center.

But if you talked to him today, you would never guess. He is fvcked though, so much time wasted. He is an intelligent person that, but he has just been treated like there is somthing wrong with him for so long. Saw him the other day at the plasma center, guess he decided to just go on disability. Which really is a waste, he really could do well.

It really sucks to be born into a low socioeconomic class as a male. You have almost no chance at a good life. Prison, institutions, or death.

If only they were given a chance with a real education that caters to the way males learn, instead of a liberal education that hates boys.

 

[VikingKing]

LOL this is ridiculous. I'm just reading over these posts and remembering why I stopped going on these forums for quite a while. It's just too much. Stupidity can't be reasoned with. Some of you guys are doomed to be completely delusional forever. Especially noobology haha

Syrio where you in that movie "Chubby Chicks #14 Interracial Edition" ?

 

[Stagger Lee]

I don't mean to continually beat the drum and go off-topic but I found page 25 interesting:


I resonate with this attitude and I think the more likely reason for the pro-marriage tendency is that these men prefer the QUALITY of relationships rather than the QUANTITY.

I think what resonated even more was that the males that were virgins or "omegas" with an average age of 30 were the most against getting married. In all of their prime of life they can't even get one woman to have sex with them, but they are the most against being married.

Well no wonder men aren't marrying they can't even get a ONS. It's not even an option if they wanted to. Putting aside all the financial hazards, how can you have marriage when 80% of women are choosing to only have sex with 20% of the men (in this the author found it 76-24% but close enough)?

Just like women wanting their cake and eat it too, claiming they want marriage/LTR/monogamy but all of them are having short term sexual relations with a very small percentage of men they find most attractive. If women really wanted that, they'd be accepting men who aren't the top 20%.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Feminism never made any sense or stood up to any scrutiny. At the time, 80%+ adult males were married (hence so were women) and were just mostly middle class average families. Men weren't in anyway privilege over women nor were women oppressed or anything. Woman were majority housewives. But they could work as I posted about my grandmother working for the railroad in 1940's-1970's and all the good jobs my mom could get in the 50's.

So the lunatic feminists leaders message reverberated with "bored" (I read that as unattracted/horny for their mostly looks matched husbands) housewives that by their own admission had everything a woman wanted.

Feminism essentially was all just a scheme so women would be socially and economically free to fvck only 20% of the male population, to divide the sexes, to destroy the nuclear family and to put women in the labor market to drive down wages and increase consumerism, increase college enrollment etc, basically destroy any society.


What's worse than the 80/20 rule is the 100/5 rule, about only five percent of the male population is able to have sex with 100% of the girls that are good enough looking to be even marriage potential to begin with.

 

[Desdinova]

He spent a lot of time in a Juvenal detention center.

I've talked to a lot of people about his mom wanting to put him on Ritalin, and they all told me the same experience... The kid that was on Ritalin turned into a fvck up, going in and out of prison.

I read a really good article on the internet here. Even though this person is pro-ritalin, they make a good point about the whole thing...

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with saying, “My child behaves this way because he has ADHD.” Just know that does not relieve either the parent or the child of the responsibility of learning how to function appropriately. In other words, if you use the diagnosis as an excuse for not challenging your child’s behavior and not doing things that will promote change, I think you’re making a big mistake. Let’s face it, kids with OCD, ADHD, Conduct Disorder, and ODD are all going to become adults some day, and they’re going to need the skills to make it in the real world. Depending upon the diagnosis, when they turn 18 or 20 any funding that might be available stops. Unless your child has a severe Pervasive Developmental Disorder, a developmental disability, Schizophrenia or some other critical disability, there is no more money for him after he ages out of your health insurance or leaves school.

That is why it is imperative that your child gets the skills he needs to function in the real world as early as possible. Otherwise, success will be very difficult for him to attain in his life. Playing “Catch-up” is a really tough task for kids with behavioral disorders, and a significant number of them are never able to do it.

Let me put it this way: if you don’t know how to manage your feelings, manage your behavior, be productive, and respond to people in an appropriate way – if you don’t learn how to do that by age 18, that diagnosis doesn’t count anymore. Nobody cares. Believe me, the guy you’re working for at 7-11 doesn’t care if you have ADHD or not. He wants you to stock the shelves. And he wants you to do it with a nice attitude and a smile. If you’re not willing to do that, he will get somebody else who will. And I believe in the job market that’s coming, you’re going to have to be really skillful to maintain any kind of decent career. Kids who have disdain for fast food jobs are going to wind up seeking that kind of work just to survive.

It should also be understood that while the juvenile justice system tries to be flexible and understanding about learning disabilities or other disorders, after the age of 18, kids enter the adult correctional system. If you tell a judge the reason you broke into a car is because you have ADHD, he’s going to give you a dressing down you’ll never forget. While kids get a lot of flexibility, the fact is, adults aren’t able to hurt others, exploit others or do mean things and get away with it just because they had a learning disability or conduct disorder as a child. That is probably the rudest awakening I see teens with behavioral disorders go through. One month they’re in juvenile court running everyone around and playing games, and the next month they’re in county jail and nobody but their parents cares about them.

My kid's mom thinks that drugs are the solution to his kicking, screaming, biting, spitting, and trying to kill his younger half-brother. If he's behaving like that in her home, he's either not happy or she's allowing him to behave this way. I get NONE of those behaviours when he's under my care, because he knows he can't get away with that 5hit without repercussions.

I also don't doubt that many parents who want an "easy" parenting job see the drug as a solution to their unruly children. Making your children high does NOT teach them how to become successfully independent human beings. It's the parents' job to do that.

 

[backbreaker]

one of my wife's friends has an overweight 13 year old son that has ADHD. she has him on adderall and it doens't really work. what the kid really need is a parent that is there and gives a ****. he's not stupid, he engages with you if you sit down and talk to him, but no one does. his mom is too busy chasing **** and his dad is no where to be found. and he's mixed and has idenity issues and he just eats his way to feel better. HIs mom's solution is to drug him up. I hate it for him.

 

[VikingKing]

I've talked to a lot of people about his mom wanting to put him on Ritalin, and they all told me the same experience... The kid that was on Ritalin turned into a fvck up, going in and out of prison.

I read a really good article on the internet here. Even though this person is pro-ritalin, they make a good point about the whole thing...



My kid's mom thinks that drugs are the solution to his kicking, screaming, biting, spitting, and trying to kill his younger half-brother. If he's behaving like that in her home, he's either not happy or she's allowing him to behave this way. I get NONE of those behaviours when he's under my care, because he knows he can't get away with that 5hit without repercussions.

I also don't doubt that many parents who want an "easy" parenting job see the drug as a solution to their unruly children. Making your children high does NOT teach them how to become successfully independent human beings. It's the parents' job to do that.

Yup. Anytime a boy acts like that, it means his needs are not being met. For the most part psychiatric disorders are a pseudo science. In this gynocentric society most of the times boys needs are not being met. thats so many boys have "adhd" or they lose it and just go crazy and people get hurt. Instead of asking questions like "what in there environment (or lack there of) is causing these behaviors?" they just label men and boys as bad and dangerous. They attack masculinity.

But I've seen this type of medication abuse with boys before.

My ltr before my last, I stayed at the house my ex live at a lot, basically I kind of moved in. The lady she lived with was like 35, was ok looking, she would still be hot if she wasnt an alcoholic drug addict who smoked cigarettes.

Any way this piece of trash woman had 4 kids with three different dudes. Got welfare, child support, and foodstamps. Her and her two oldest sons were all on adderal 30mg extended release (the good ones). Its a mixture of amphetamine salts.

She explainded to me once that the reason she took it, is because she has narcolepsy, and she couldnt understand why it took her so long to convince the doctor that she had it, so she could get an adderal prescription. (inside I was like, well duh, its because your full of 5hit)

Now this woman was just a bar fly slvt.

I used to take the adderal all the time, for a months. One time I heard her yelling at the 9 yearold "take your pills or your grounded from tv for a week!" I remember sometimes he wouldnt get up for school, because he couldnt sleep (no sh!t) his mom would get mad, yell at him when he wouldnt get up. Then my ex would go try to wake him up, still he wouldnt. Then she would wake me up, and all I had to do is say "hey dude, I know your tired and you couldnt sleep, but man you have to get up for school. Be downstairs in 5 mins and I will drive you" Guess what, he was down in 5 mins.

Eventually I sat down the 9 and 13 yearolds and said look, your pills are drugs. I could sell these for like 7 to 10 dollars a piece because they get you high. Haha after that they both quit taking it. The 9 yearold would hide them i different places. Now I ended up taking them for recreational purposes, but what kind of disease minded person would be giving a amphetamine to children, and strong dose at that.

I even tried to explain to the mother that the reason her son cant sleep is because he is taking fvcking speed. She just made some excuse he goes crazy when he doesnt take it... rationalized it... so I just said "oh, ok" lost cause.

Once she game home from the bar, feeling sick. My ex game and got me, I went up and said "whats the problem?" She thought her female friend slipped somthing in her drink bla bla bla. No it was probably because she is taking to much speed then drinking on it. Fckin jack a$$. So we had to call 911. I told the paramedics about the adderal. The lady was pi$$ed at me. To bad cvnt bag.

I think she wanted to keep those kids for money.

But seriously, at the age 19 I had to basically keep and eye out for those 4 kids, because their 35 yearold piece of trash excuse for a human being single mother was not responsible enough to the logically about what is the right thing to do, and what is not.

It's insane that women like this, who abuse their sons by medicating them are A. allowed to keep their kids and B. not charged with felony child abuse.

That is just one case, imagine how many others there are. :cuss:

But those boys respected the sh!t out of me. Way more than their own mother.

It's to easy for women to get sick and twisted in the head to just give single mothers the benefit of a doubt. There needs to be much more monitoring of these women, their behaviors, and what they spend finances on. If there is not a man present in the house, the government should watch them closely.

 

[Syrio]

Syrio where you in that movie "Chubby Chicks #14 Interracial Edition" ?

Yes, noobology, I where in that movie