Will the pessimists on this site please f.uck off?

[DonJuan11]

Sorry guys, last one.

I'm not trying to complain about it, I'm just trying to make a philosophical point.

 

[The Sperminator]

Donwaun makes a good point. Ok so you guys been complaining about height/looks and how girls reject you from it. We say it's because of your atitude and confidence and you say it's because of the way you look. Lets say you are right. Let's say you don't get any girls because you are bad looking or short. What now? Are you just going to complain about it. How is complaining about it online going to help you get girls. It's not. So you can't get taller or make your face better looking. What do you do? Improve on other things. Get a better personality, get more confidence, dress better, workout more, get funnier, etc. Work on things you can actually improve yourself with instead of going online and crying like little babies.

 

[comic_relief]

There's also some confusion regarding supplication. You have to supplicate on some level to get good with women. For 99.9%, it's gonna be a lot of supplication. Gym, clothes, money, education etc etc all essentially for one thing; getting tail. As DonJuan11 said, even if you do all this you still may not be having tail. There's some 'flaw' in your convo skills or flirting or whatever.

MM

I think your confused about supplication, mate. You might do all that stuff to get a woman, but you know what. I don't do any of those things for women, I do it for MYSELF!!!

I wear what I damn well please. Look through my pictures in my myspace which I have linked on the website. I wear whatever the fvck that I want to wear.

I accumulate money because I want to see how much I can get. Women don't factor in to this or if they do factor in, it is to be able to take my girlfriend out somewhere nice.

If there is a flaw within your inner game, work on it. Just go talk to people. That is the only way that you will change yourself through constant practice. Try to figure out what is wrong and fix it.

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Wutangfiancial,

look at my pictures in my post in AE. I am an ugly motherfvcker, but I don't let it stop me. I realize that looks are not everything (they are important, but not as important as you put it) and that your personality plays a dominant role in pulling women.

You need to lighten up. I don't let my physical deficinicies stop me from getting women.

Your not that bad looking either after looking at the pictures.

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Ex: After a while of courting this girl and spending some money and time, she said "ok" to sex on a Tuesday in June. I finally set everything up perfectly in my place getting ready for the big night. Unfortunately, the police called me that night because someone broke into my business and I had to be there at the station. I asked her "can we do it tomorrow?" She said "absolutely not". She only was ready for sex at that specific time and day and that was it. I didnt' get the sex that Tuesday at 9:30 pm and that was it, no more whatsoever.

Here is one that you might have heard. STOP DATING FVCKEN B!TCHES!!! A variation of this happened with my girlfriend and me, you know what? We changed the place.

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Donwaun makes a good point. Ok so you guys been complaining about height/looks and how girls reject you from it. We say it's because of your atitude and confidence and you say it's because of the way you look. Lets say you are right. Let's say you don't get any girls because you are bad looking or short. What now? Are you just going to complain about it. How is complaining about it online going to help you get girls. It's not. So you can't get taller or make your face better looking. What do you do? Improve on other things. Get a better personality, get more confidence, dress better, workout more, get funnier, etc. Work on things you can actually improve yourself with instead of going online and crying like little babies.

I know a proven way to gain inches in appearance and it is a very easy solution. Get a set of high heels

In all seriousness though, sperminator makes a good point. I look at it this way. I have serious deficincies that I have to work on that might never be completely fixed, but consider this.

I have X wrong with me.

I can either have X wrong with me and b!tch about it

-or-

I can have X wrong with me and make a joke about it and get over it.

Either way, I still have X wrong with me.

comic_relief

 

[comic_relief]

I also want to state for the record, that if you don't look that hot, I would tell you.

she will tell you if you don't look hot. She thought my girlfriend was a man dressed in women clothing at first. Trust me, she is blunt about the truth (don't care what you think Iqqi, I still love ya).

comic_relief

 

[fireguy]

Fine, be a damn pesimist. But don't drag us all down with your pesimism.

Put on a mask. Stop talking about negative things. Go to wach comedy clubs, wach funny movies and series that make you laugh, and do it every day for thirty days. It will have an impat on your brain. So will weightlifting and getting fit. Crist - even jogging will get you in a positive state if you absolutely dont want to start powerlifting (join a pl club). There are positive things about everything. Force yourself to speak out loud whats positive about a situation. Dont just think about it. Stop trying to get everyones sympathy. Thats a big one. From now on, detest getting sympathy. Ever noticed a bunch of old ladys in a good mood sitting on a bus and one starts talking about her bad hip? When they get off the buss, youd think theyre all on their deathbed. Negativity spreads. So stop talking about bad stuff trying to get everybodys sympathy. That should be like a dj rule nr one. Have you noticed how people doing the dj bootcamp often quit after week 4 cause they get so many numbers? What does that tell you? Should you maby be so bold as t try it? Read

Finally

Theres no such thing as something for nothing.

And stop complaining and making excuses. Thats why you have the board against you and probobly why you have the outside world against you.

I can't stop stressing nutrition. My gf was on meds for depression. I know I couldn't make her eat superhealthy food since she doesn't work out. But finally I convinced her to start taking supplyments. Protein shakes three times a day and taking a good multivitamin/mineral three times a day. Shakes are easy and anyone can drink a welltasting shake. Morning, mid day and evening. She got of the meds and is today the most energetic and optimistic chick I know. She just needed the right fule to get her body functioning like it should. If you do this, take extra b-vitamins for energy and mood.

Take your nutrition seriously. Do it for a week ans see what happends.

 

[Chaotixxx]

It is good enough for me. But who said she'll give it up to me if i get some game?

Ex: After a while of courting this girl and spending some money and time, she said "ok" to sex on a Tuesday in June. I finally set everything up perfectly in my place getting ready for the big night. Unfortunately, the police called me that night because someone broke into my business and I had to be there at the station. I asked her "can we do it tomorrow?" She said "absolutely not". She only was ready for sex at that specific time and day and that was it. I didnt' get the sex that Tuesday at 9:30 pm and that was it, no more whatsoever.

So please don't say "get some game" and you'll get sex. This is not like "money = a chocolate bar"

You have to say "get some game, get some muscle, be interesting AND hope she's in the mood on any certain day"

If you don't know whats wrong with those lines, nothing you've read here has ever sunk in. You gave her ALL THE POWER. What is so hard to understand about getting women?

The best way I know how to get across how pathetic you are is to explain how she interprets your behavior. First off you're asking permission, therefore she sees you as a coward. Little kids and inferiors ask for permission. Next, you made a specific date and time, like some god damn nerd. Sex is supposed to be "fun and spontaneous" for her like in romance novels. Every time I had it, it was totally unexpected unless she was a F.B.

WOMEN LIKE SEX. Although women don't like initiating sex. What you've managed to prove to her is you're BORING and have no spine, and she would have to be the "man" and make it happen. Shes heterosexual, so obviously shes unattracted to you.

Is that so hard to understand? How about this?

Take control.

 

[DonJuan11]

If you don't know whats wrong with those lines, nothing you've read here has ever sunk in. You gave her ALL THE POWER. What is so hard to understand about getting women?

The best way I know how to get across how pathetic you are is to explain how she interprets your behavior. First off you're asking permission, therefore she sees you as a coward.

If you don't ask for permission, isn't that RAPE?

Little kids and inferiors ask for permission. Next, you made a specific date and time, like some god damn nerd. Sex is supposed to be "fun and spontaneous" for her like in romance novels. Every time I had it, it was totally unexpected unless she was a F.B.

spontaneous works for movies like Basic Instinct. You have to set the mood with girls, candles, wine, flowers on the bed. It's not like you walk in and go at it like B-movies or adult entertainment


WOMEN LIKE SEX. Although women don't like initiating sex.

There is no way that girl would be so turned on on Tuesday and 100% turned off Wednesday if she liked sex. I didn't screw up between 9:30 pm Tues and 9:30 pm Wed. She just wasn't in the mood and just changed her mind, simple as that

What you've managed to prove to her is you're BORING and have no spine, and she would have to be the "man" and make it happen. Shes heterosexual, so obviously shes unattracted to you.

Is that so hard to understand? How about this? Take control.

I can easily take control, but then they are uncomfortable and if they are uncomfortable, nothing is happening. They have to be comfortable with everything that is happening and then they she might give you the sex you want.

You are confusing the issues. Again, this is like you trying to make the NFL. Will you go to the coach and say "pick me, I have a good arm"? No, because you don't have the power.

Only the coach has the power to pick you.

Only the woman has the power to sleep with you.

 

[Chaotixxx]

You are confusing the issues. Again, this is like you trying to make the NFL. Will you go to the coach and say "pick me, I have a good arm"? No, because you don't have the power.

Only the coach has the power to pick you.

Only the woman has the power to sleep with you.

Bad analogy. In the coach vs. player argument, the coach holds all the cards, and has the power. If women have power over you like that, you're not playing the game right.

You have to set the mood with girls, candles, wine, flowers on the bed.

I give up...

 

[iqqi]

I've posted a bunch of other pics if you search.

So i went and friggin searched, but I'm not going further than this:
http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/phot...12770_7172.jpg

You look hot there, and you look totally hot here: http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v51/136/55/48304824/n48304824_30346677_2139.jpg

I'd say you were the best and most interesting looking one out of the bunch.

I'd have a huge cyber crush on you (hot, intelligent, funny), but your lack of confidence is such a big issue that it is a turn off/red flag/drag.

Besides that... Don't wear a lot of hair, facial or otherwise, as it makes you look shorter and more compact. Wear fitted clothing, which I think I read that you do, and never ever even seem to notice your height.

 

[drak_ool]

spontaneous works for movies like Basic Instinct. You have to set the mood with girls, candles, wine, flowers on the bed. It's not like you walk in and go at it like B-movies or adult entertainment

honestly, up to this post i thought you might be for real...




TROLL ALERT!

 

[Mr Plow]

I am a pessimist but I don't post that way

 

[Answers]

Work on yourself... change the way you see things and things will change. In other words you first need to believe that you'll attract women and you will instead of trying to attract women first in order to build up your belief/confidence.

So true! I still struggle with this. My foundation still sucks. It tends to hinge on how many prospects I have in the works. And when I hit a snag and it dwindles to zero, my confidence disappears with it.

That's why I'm taking a break right now. I'm trying to work on me. If the foundation sucks, anything you pile on top of it will just make it crumble.

I've been taking a break for the last couple of months too! You're right about building a solid foundation. I'm building up my confidence and changing how I see things. I'm feeling more confident already but long way to go.

 

[Mad Manic]

Sorry I'm gonna have to agree with DonJuan11 here. The woman has the power, you're the one chasing her and trying to get sex from her, she can easily refuse for any reason and easily get sex at the drop of a hat from many quality men. If you factor in her sexual power with IMO her lesser desire for sex compared to the guy, then it's clear there are NO guarantees here.

It's all well being positive and encouraging stuff to help all of us with regards to women, but lets be realistic here; we are chasing them, they have the power and they decide our fate. As long as men are approaching women and supplicating to them more than the reverse, we'll always be in this position.

MM

 

[drak_ool]

Sorry I'm gonna have to agree with DonJuan11 here. The woman has the power, you're the one chasing her and trying to get sex from her, she can easily refuse for any reason and easily get sex at the drop of a hat from many quality men. If you factor in her sexual power with IMO her lesser desire for sex compared to the guy, then it's clear there are NO guarantees here.

It's all well being positive and encouraging stuff to help all of us with regards to women, but lets be realistic here; we are chasing them, they have the power and they decide our fate. As long as men are approaching women and supplicating to them more than the reverse, we'll always be in this position.

MM

everything you wrote is bull$hit. You re talking out of your a$$, obviously you have no experience wit any kind of "game"

build a strong foundation and then come back and post on this site, right now you re waisting your time and everybody elses

 

[Mad Manic]

everything you wrote is bull$hit. You re talking out of your a$$, obviously you have no experience wit any kind of "game"

build a strong foundation and then come back and post on this site, right now you re waisting your time and everybody elses

Sorry I was talking in a general sense regarding the typical guy, not one with really good game who can nail girl after girl no problem.

MM

 

[drak_ool]

Sorry I was talking in a general sense regarding the typical guy, not one with really good game who can nail girl after girl no problem.

MM

ok, now i understand where you coming from a little better...

but the POINT of belonging to this community is to outgrow that "typical guy" behavior, right? and that growth starts with ATTITUDE. What i highlighted in your last post is the typical AFC attitude towards woman. IT IS complete bull$hit. Remember, typical guys don't get the hot women.

yes, those things are true for AFCs who have no knowledge of the game, but that is not the attitude YOU need to have. you re on this board, it s at least a first step. you probably already read a million posts saying stuff like:

"you are the prize, not the woman"
"you shouldn't chase the women, the women should chase you"
"you have the power, not the women"
"women wanna get laid just as much as men do"
"never supplicate"

now it s time to internalize those things and start thinking along those lines so that you develop a player/don juan/pua attitude.

So, one more time, the pessimists need to stop whining. That is the wrong ATTITUDE

 

[Maxtro]

Sorry I'm gonna have to agree with DonJuan11 here. The woman has the power, you're the one chasing her and trying to get sex from her, she can easily refuse for any reason and easily get sex at the drop of a hat from many quality men. If you factor in her sexual power with IMO her lesser desire for sex compared to the guy, then it's clear there are NO guarantees here.

It's all well being positive and encouraging stuff to help all of us with regards to women, but lets be realistic here; we are chasing them, they have the power and they decide our fate. As long as men are approaching women and supplicating to them more than the reverse, we'll always be in this position.

MM

Woman has the power? True but to only a minor extent.

Look at it this way. A woman is a doe, a deer a female deer While the man is the hunter. The hunter has two possible ways of getting the deer. The first option is to put some deer kibble on his hand and stretch it out, hoping the deer will walk over to him. The deer has the power and she chooses the hunter. Or the hunter can use his skills, set up the shot and take it. Which has a higher chance of success? Letting the deer have the power, or keeping the power to yourself?

As men without really good bait (very good looks, money, power) we need to learn how to be better hunters. Only then can we get the venison.

 

[Mad Manic]

ok, now i understand where you coming from a little better...

but the POINT of belonging to this community is to outgrow that "typical guy" behavior, right? and that growth starts with ATTITUDE. What i highlighted in your last post is the typical AFC attitude towards woman. IT IS complete bull$hit. Remember, typical guys don't get the hot women.

yes, those things are true for AFCs who have no knowledge of the game, but that is not the attitude YOU need to have. you re on this board, it s at least a first step. you probably already read a million posts saying stuff like:

"you are the prize, not the woman"
"you shouldn't chase the women, the women should chase you"
"you have the power, not the women"
"women wanna get laid just as much as men do"
"never supplicate"

now it s time to internalize those things and start thinking along those lines so that you develop a player/don juan/pua attitude.

So, one more time, the pessimists need to stop whining. That is the wrong ATTITUDE

You can't deny that women have the power though. We are the one's having to approach and we are the ones needing to have game to get them. Yes, the game is designed to make the girl want us/chase us but we need to approach and have game to get in that position. A woman can walk up to any guy and lay him in 5 mins if she wishes (as long as she's alright).

Regarding your quotes:

1.) I believe that both I AND the woman are prizes. I don't approach a woman I consider not-prize-worthy and I don't approach if I feel I'm undeserving of the girl. Women are given a high value tag by society alone, I try to ignore that personally. If we don't hook up we BOTH miss out.

2.) Agreed, that's part and parcel of game tactics. Women are typically the seducers, you can't 'convince' a woman to sleep with you (usually), it's usually her who gets it into her head that 'tonight's the night'. As TD says.

3.) Women have the power because we are the ones having to approach and game them. But you're right that I have the power to improve myself a shvitload to get good with women - But by the fact that women don't need to do that ever, then they are more powerful. No approaching, no game, sexual choice.

4.) I don't believe women want to get laid as much as men do. That's my personal belief, but we'll agree to disagree. Men will fvck anything that's half reasonable at any time. Women seem to abstain a LOT from sex when they could easily have it.

5.) Never supplicate? Well in my view gym + job/studies + clothing + grooming + improving game/personality + approaching = Lots of supplication. Without it you get nothing though, so ACCEPT we must supplicate in these ways and move on.

MM

 

[drak_ool]

3.) Women have the power because we are the ones having to approach and game them. But you're right that I have the power to improve myself a shvitload to get good with women - But by the fact that women don't need to do that ever, then they are more powerful. No approaching, no game, sexual choice.

agree to disagree. women don't have the power unless you let them have it. Maxtro's metaphor with the hunter/doe PERFECTLY examplifies this.

A woman can walk up to any guy and lay him in 5 mins if she wishes (as long as she's alright).

now, for a woman to be ATTRACTIVE, all she has to do is look good. So you say it's easy for her. but 80-90% of women DON'T look good. they re fvcked! no matter how much game they have they won't be able to get lay wit any guy they want, let alone in 5 min.

But you re a GUY. you can become attractive if you don't look great (style, tyler durden), even if you're ugly (ross jeffries). that s where your "game" comes in. and a big part of your game depends on your ATTITUDE. change your attitude and your game will improve

1.) I believe that both I AND the woman are prizes. I don't approach a woman I consider not-prize-worthy and I don't approach if I feel I'm undeserving of the girl. Women are given a high value tag by society alone, I try to ignore that personally. If we don't hook up we BOTH miss out.

Considering yourself the prize, not the woman has nothing to do with approaching non-prize worthy females. to consider yourself the prize is the ATTITUDE you need to have when you sarge so you don't put any woman on a pedestal. A fair amount of girls attractive on the outside are really just shallow, superficial and plain worthless human beings so their not a PRIZE to be pursued, just another va.gina. If you don't hook up SHE misses out, not you. there s plenty more fish in the sea

4.) I don't believe women want to get laid as much as men do. That's my personal belief, but we'll agree to disagree.

what are you basing that personal belief on? you should pick up some psychology books and start reading into this because it s just a myth. So don't take my word for it, research it up.

Men will fvck anything that's half reasonable at any time. Women seem to abstain a LOT from sex when they could easily have it.

you are contradicting your earlier point that you wouldn't approach a "non-prize-worthy" woman. I WOULDN'T do it and no self-respecting DJ would either. most women who voluntarily abstain from sex do it because they can't have it ON THEIR OWN TERMS. it s like saying you could easily have sex if you just threw your standards out the window... now is that realistic?

5.) Never supplicate? Well in my view gym + job/studies + clothing + grooming + improving game/personality + approaching = Lots of supplication. Without it you get nothing though, so ACCEPT we must supplicate in these ways and move on.

Do you do all these things just to get women or do you them them to improve yourself? to better yourself as a human being? If you are then you need to seriously re-examine your life and change your overall ATTITUDE.

look, i m not trying to flame you, just trying to get you to understand that you have the wrong ATTITUDE. A lot of the views you have expressed on women and gaming are pure AFC stuff. Now the point of the "seduction community" is to help guys move past their AFC outlook on life. if you don't change your ATTITUDE and outlook on life, then no amount of time spent on these boards will help you get any closer to succeeding with women

 

[Chaotixxx]

You can't deny that women have the power though. We are the one's having to approach and we are the ones needing to have game to get them. Yes, the game is designed to make the girl want us/chase us but we need to approach and have game to get in that position. A woman can walk up to any guy and lay him in 5 mins if she wishes (as long as she's alright).

Regarding your quotes:

1.) I believe that both I AND the woman are prizes. I don't approach a woman I consider not-prize-worthy and I don't approach if I feel I'm undeserving of the girl. Women are given a high value tag by society alone, I try to ignore that personally. If we don't hook up we BOTH miss out.

2.) Agreed, that's part and parcel of game tactics. Women are typically the seducers, you can't 'convince' a woman to sleep with you (usually), it's usually her who gets it into her head that 'tonight's the night'. As TD says.

3.) Women have the power because we are the ones having to approach and game them. But you're right that I have the power to improve myself a shvitload to get good with women - But by the fact that women don't need to do that ever, then they are more powerful. No approaching, no game, sexual choice.

4.) I don't believe women want to get laid as much as men do. That's my personal belief, but we'll agree to disagree. Men will fvck anything that's half reasonable at any time. Women seem to abstain a LOT from sex when they could easily have it.

5.) Never supplicate? Well in my view gym + job/studies + clothing + grooming + improving game/personality + approaching = Lots of supplication. Without it you get nothing though, so ACCEPT we must supplicate in these ways and move on.

MM

Dude you only slept with 3 girls your whole life. They might infact have power over YOU. But that doesnt mean everyone else suffers the same fate.