Why the wall for men is much worse than the wall for females

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One, I have never heard of a doctor or lawyer struggling for women even in the black pill communities.

Second, I agree that most women do not need a guy that is pulling 200k and higher. However, if she has a choice between you or some Chad Lawyer or Professional Athlete; you are going to more than likely lose that battle regardless of how RP ALPHA MALE claim to be. It’s like if you had a choice between a 10/10 or a 6/10 that told you that she would fvck you and cook breakfast for you in the morning, you are going to take your chances with the 10/10 hands down lol. In Smithville, Ohio, sureeeee 100k is sufficient enough to raise your value and make you a top 1% male in The community. However, in Los Angeles, 100k is pennies and your competition raises drastically.
Women do not think like this, using raw logic.

They aren't falling in love with a man's wallet.

There is wealth, and then there is wealth. I have friends who are legit billionaires. They live in Dubai and order supercars to their doorstep. Women might pick guys like that over a regular guy making $200k, but they aren't going to make a big fuss over a guy making $125k instead of $225k. For normal people like us, it's all about looks/game. Money is the least important these days unless the woman is broke and looking for a sugardaddy.
 
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What John needs is swag.
Word. As I’ve said before: my brother (30yo) works as a cashier at a movie theatre making minimum wage with no car and lives as my room mate yet he gets with hot girls quite regularly
 

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Women do not think like this, using raw logic.

They aren't falling in love with a man's wallet.

There is wealth, and then there is wealth. I have friends who are legit billionaires. They live in Dubai and order supercars to their doorstep. Women might pick guys like that over a regular guy making $200k, but they aren't going to make a big fuss over a guy making $125k instead of $225k. For normal people like us, it's all about looks/game. Money is the least important these days unless the woman is broke and looking for a sugardaddy.
Most jobs making over 200k have clout/prestige attached to them. A girl can brag to her friends that she is dating a doctor or an established lawyer vs John in upper management for supply chain or average engineer. Hell, if the dude is a pilot, she probably gets free flights and shvt. Last, these guys have relatively stable jobs with high income, so they do not have to worry about constantly losing their income. This means more lavish dates, parties, and etc. I am in sales and make around 150k, but I know for a fact that I could get laid off or fired at any point in time, so I do not act like I make 150k a year lol.

Word. As I’ve said before: my brother (30yo) works as a cashier at a movie theatre making minimum wage with no car and lives as my room mate yet he gets with hot girls quite regularly
I have been the broke guy banging hot chicks too, but I would have never considered any of them to be the mother of my children. In addition, I have exes(including the one I mentioned) and my current gf that wouldn’t have given me a chance if my job title was cashier at Regal Theater lol.
 

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Most jobs making over 200k have clout/prestige attached to them. A girl can brag to her friends that she is dating a doctor or an established lawyer vs John in upper management for supply chain or average engineer. Hell, if the dude is a pilot, she probably gets free flights and shvt. Last, these guys have relatively stable jobs with high income, so they do not have to worry about constantly losing their income. This means more lavish dates, parties, and etc. I am in sales and make around 150k, but I know for a fact that I could get laid off or fired at any point in time, so I do not act like I make 150k a year lol.
Anybody can get laid off or fired at any time. Our founder of 20 years, literally a genius engineer/salesman, was fired by a higher up for petty bull****. Uncle was laid off after 19 years of service. No job is immune. Doctors are literally being pushed out in some places and being replaced with nurse practitioners. Lawyers may eventually be replaced with ChatGPT.

Not sure what you mean by acting like you make $150k/year. Your money doesn't define your behavior, or your spending habits. There are idiots making $75k that have $75k car notes. There are smart people making $150k that drive beaters. I make $165-175k and spend the same way I did when I made $100k.

Women just don't think like you're saying, they're not going to commit to a guy because "ooh he can give me free flights" or "ooh he's a lawyer".

I just don't understand your mindset, this is stuff I'd expect of women in highschool, or very stupid women who have nothing going for themselves.
 

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Anybody can get laid off or fired at any time. Our founder of 20 years, literally a genius engineer/salesman, was fired by a higher up for petty bull****. Uncle was laid off after 19 years of service. No job is immune. Doctors are literally being pushed out in some places and being replaced with nurse practitioners. Lawyers may eventually be replaced with ChatGPT.

Not sure what you mean by acting like you make $150k/year. Your money doesn't define your behavior, or your spending habits. There are idiots making $75k that have $75k car notes. There are smart people making $150k that drive beaters. I make $165-175k and spend the same way I did when I made $100k.

Women just don't think like you're saying, they're not going to commit to a guy because "ooh he can give me free flights" or "ooh he's a lawyer".

I just don't understand your mindset, this is stuff I'd expect of women in highschool, or very stupid women who have nothing going for themselves.
Nah, man, he's 28. He knows all about "hitting the wall".

He's not a KJ. Not at all. Nothing but real world experience here.
 

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Eventually, he realizes he is nearing 40 and his social circle group is dwindling, so he decides to get serious about finding a potential wife. John starts looking for single women around his age, but notices that they are career women and make more money than him. He looks at the women below his income and they are mostly washed up welfare single moms at this point. He could look for 18 year old women and become a sugar daddy, but does he really want to do that? His only option would be girls right out of HS since he doesn’t live in popular part of a downtown major US city.
- Don't make personal decisions based on those of your social group
- Don't look for women your age if they're not what you want
- There are single women between the age of 18 and 40, even in smaller cities
- This is an anecdote and it's made up
- Basis of this thread is a major frame fail - would not advise following this kind of example
 

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I have been the broke guy banging hot chicks too, but I would have never considered any of them to be the mother of my children. In addition, I have exes(including the one I mentioned) and my current gf that wouldn’t have given me a chance if my job title was cashier at Regal Theater lol.
my brother doesn’t want kids so he don’t gaf
 

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One, I have never heard of a doctor or lawyer struggling for women even in the black pill communities.
Many doctors and lawyers are blue pill married men in subpar to mediocre marriages.

In Smithville, Ohio, sureeeee 100k is sufficient enough to raise your value and make you a top 1% male in The community. However, in Los Angeles, 100k is pennies and your competition raises drastically.
Smithville, OH is 28 miles from Akron, OH and has a population of under 2,000. It'd be nearly impossible to date in Smithville itself itself due to lack of population. Akron is 189,000 and probably large enough to have a sufficient dating population. Akron is 40 miles from Cleveland and only about 20-25 miles from outskirts of Cleveland. It'd be possible though less probable for Akron people to date Cleveland people.

$100k in the Akron market will be way better than $100k in Los Angeles.

In Dallas, $100k is better than $100k in Los Angeles, but Dallas is becoming less affordable. $100k in Dallas isn't going to impress anyone as a 30s/early 40s guy in a white collar role and normie tier looks. White collar normies who don't have an edge to them would need a salary in the $150-$200k range at age 30+ to start to impress childless women. $100k at age 30-40 in Dallas is beta bux for a very average looking single mom. $100k at age 26-27 in Dallas might impress some 20 something childless single women who are more relationship oriented and see big time salary growth in 10 years.

John is in his mid to late 30s and he makes around 50-70k a year which is enough for a single man to live comfortably by in a lower COL part of the state. Eventually, he realizes he is nearing 40 and his social circle group is dwindling, so he decides to get serious about finding a potential wife. John starts looking for single women around his age, but notices that they are career women and make more money than him. He looks at the women below his income and they are mostly washed up welfare single moms at this point. Realistically, John is royally screwed lol.

John is going to have to make some major lifestyle changes that he will not see the effects overnight to become viable in the dating marketplace. He is not economically viable to women in his age range and he lacks the money and looks to date younger women.

The best solution to this is to avoid turning in to John in the first place.
What John needs is swag.
In the John example at the highest income ($70k) and late 30s in an area with sufficient but small-ish population (150,000 - 250,000 population), swag will help. Things like badass tattoos, riding a motorcycle, and some other thrill seeking, out of the ordinary hobbies might make John more competitive. He's also young enough at 37 to build some bigger muscles in the gym. It's debatable whether hunting alone would be enough to be considered swag in a smaller area, since smaller areas might have more guys who hunt and fish than bigger cities. Hunting, a motorcycle, and a few well designed, well placed tattoos would probably be enough swag in an area with sufficient but small-ish population. Being a white collar drone with 1-2 smaller, more concealed tattoos is not swag and not enough tattoos to be considered edgy enough to impress. Overall, bigger muscles and swag are his best options.

"Money, muscles, game" -Rollo Tomassi

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Putting it all together, here's a realistic scenario from Texas.

John is a 37 year old childless man in Amarillo, Texas (estimated population 201,234 as of 2021 and a lower cost of living area) making $70,000 in a year in a white collar role and has a non-STEM bachelor's degree. He is normie tier on looks. Amarillo does not have a lot of careerist women, so the 30+ women in Amarillo will be mainly single moms. If John were a 37 year old single dad in Amarillo, a 30-35 year old single mom making $40-$60k in Amarillo is very realistic and he doesn't need to level up. For this exercise, we will call him 37 and childless and he's unwilling to take on a single mom.

What are John's options?

His best options are through his social circle. At age 37, it's likely he's been in Amarillo for some time, as Amarillo doesn't attract a lot of transplants. There's a good chance that his bachelor's degree was from Texas Tech in Lubbock, 120 miles down Interstate 27. Texas Tech is the biggest university near Amarillo. He might have already exhausted all his social circle options by now, including getting introductions to the friends of his female co-workers. If he hasn't done this, he needs to do it immediately. By age 37, and being in Amarillo 10+ years, he's likely done this.

If he has no social circle options and all he can do is app swipe, send DM on social media, or approach strangers in person, he's in a tough spot. Having swag/an edge is his best hope in doing that at a $70k salary. The options are very limited in the 30-36 age range in Amarillo, as that will mostly be single moms. He could have options with childless women 21-27 with enough swag or using "Mystery Method" like techniques, but that's difficult. Most people who use "Mystery Method" or the Torero-Krauser London Daygame Model don't see a lot in the way of results with it. It's still better to try to learn a Game system than be a blue pill normie, but it's difficult to see results with it. At $70k in Amarillo, 21-27 year old childless women mostly won't be impressed. If he leads his frame with money, in Amarillo, he'd need at least $100-$130k to do that to attract a 21-27 year old childless woman or the outlier childless 30 something.

John could move to Dallas. It'd be realistic for him to immediately turn his $70k job in Amarillo into a $90k job in Dallas. While that sounds better, $90k isn't much in Dallas. It's far from the $150k baseline needed to impress women with money/lifestyle in Dallas. Even $150-175k in Dallas is a minimum to be competitive on money. John's not getting there soon. 37 years old and $90k in Dallas is a solid prospect but will still struggle. Bigger muscles will help somewhat and to a greater degree if he's 6'0"+. The biggest advantage that John has in Dallas over Amarillo is more quantity and more childless 30 something options. At best, he can get some mediocre to possibly slightly above average girlfriend based on more quantity in Dallas than Amarillo.

Dallas at $90k is likely an incrementally better option at age 37 than Amarillo at 70k at age 37. Either way, @CornbreadFed is correct than John is in a bad situation either way. As @jaymbrs pointed out, women don't want a semi-successful man, which is what John would be in Dallas at $90k at 37. John's really going nowhere in life but at least he can support him financially and not be a drain on the welfare system.


Middle tier men like John are in the worst position. It's better to be broke, tattooed, and look like you've possibly served jail time than be a middle tier, normie white collar man. It's better to be a nightclub/strip club bouncer and bang hot, young strippers and bartenders than be a middle tier, normie white collar man. It's also better to be a higher level white collar executive than a middle tier white collar guy, who is either a middle manager or a higher level individual contributor.
 

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Anybody can get laid off or fired at any time. Our founder of 20 years, literally a genius engineer/salesman, was fired by a higher up for petty bull****. Uncle was laid off after 19 years of service. No job is immune. Doctors are literally being pushed out in some places and being replaced with nurse practitioners. Lawyers may eventually be replaced with ChatGPT.
Your first sentence proves my point, salesmen have the lowest job stability out of top paying career jobs. Doctors do not walk around every day wondering if they will be laid off. When I mean “Doctors” I mean medical professionals in general, not the minute clinic doctor you saw as a kid for a sore throat or nurse practitioner. If a doctor loses his 200k job, he can easily replace it with another 200k job. Lawyers haven’t been replaced by ChatGPT and never will.

Not sure what you mean by acting like you make $150k/year. Your money doesn't define your behavior, or your spending habits. There are idiots making $75k that have $75k car notes. There are smart people making $150k that drive beaters. I make $165-175k and spend the same way I did when I made $100k.
If you earn a salary of 200k per year and the ability to easily find another job with a similar income, your mindset will differ from someone who also earns 200k but lacks the security of easily replacing their job and faces the risk of being fired or laid off due to a single poor quarter or events beyond his control.

Women just don't think like you're saying, they're not going to commit to a guy because "ooh he can give me free flights" or "ooh he's a lawyer".

I just don't understand your mindset, this is stuff I'd expect of women in highschool, or very stupid women who have nothing going for themselves.
What type of women are dating then? This is literally hypergamy and clout chasing in a nutshell. I swear if you say Eastern European women or foreign something I am done with this conversation lol. A surgeon or high performing lawyer in town has more prestige and influence than John Smith the local department head of supply chain.
 
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There is wealth, and then there is wealth. I have friends who are legit billionaires. They live in Dubai and order supercars to their doorstep. Women might pick guys like that over a regular guy making $200k, but they aren't going to make a big fuss over a guy making $125k instead of $225k. For normal people like us, it's all about looks/game. Money is the least important these days unless the woman is broke and looking for a sugardaddy.
Most jobs making over 200k have clout/prestige attached to them. A girl can brag to her friends that she is dating a doctor or an established lawyer vs John in upper management for supply chain or average engineer. Hell, if the dude is a pilot, she probably gets free flights and shvt. Last, these guys have relatively stable jobs with high income, so they do not have to worry about constantly losing their income. This means more lavish dates, parties, and etc.
Agree with @itouchyou that there are different layers of wealth. Disagree that there isn't much of a difference in treatment between $125k and $225k in terms of sexual market value.

A $225k guy is more attractive to childless career women in her 30s/early 40s, who are also more likely to be in the $90k-$150k range. A $125k a year guy isn't that attractive to a childless career woman. A childless career woman might be making $80-120k. While the $125k a year guy makes more than she does, it's not enough to impress her, whereas a $110k a year woman will be impressed by the $225k a year guy, even though her $110k provides an above average lifestyle for her.

I make $165-175k and spend the same way I did when I made $100k.
I am in sales and make around 150k, but I know for a fact that I could get laid off or fired at any point in time, so I do not act like I make 150k a year lol.
Both of you are doing extremely well in salary for the 30-35 year old age range. Even if you were both 45-50 years old, those are still good salaries.
 

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Things are devolving at such a rate that we may soon reach a point where each passing year for them gets better
This sounds like a victim mentality. Since you can’t find a decent women in your age bracket, you‘re gonna have to settle for grandmas? No thanks. A woman that age must be divorced or low quality if she is not already taken.

All these women you guys are describing are gold diggers and superficial hoes. How many chics do you personally know that get flown out to Dubai to party on some guy’s yacht? That chic is going to have a high body count anyway if that is her game. She’s not going to be a quality woman based on her actions. Social media has convinced men that everyone has to be Andrew Tate status in order to get a woman. The game is changing and women are earning their own money. Quite frankly that is a good thing. I’ve been the sole provider for years and it would be nice if my wife made half the money she burns up each year.

I work next to a woman, 35, makes >$150k. She left her boyfriend a few years ago because he lost his job and sat on his butt and didn’t try to get another job. She has since started dating a dork at work. They probably make about the same but it is all about personality. These two click for some reason. She’s not looking at his bank account, she was lonely and they get along.
 

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Many doctors and lawyers are blue pill married men in subpar to mediocre marriages.
being in a subpar marriage is another thing, I meant struggling to find a woman to date

Smithville, OH is 28 miles from Akron, OH and has a population of under 2,000. It'd be nearly impossible to date in Smithville itself itself due to lack of population. Akron is 189,000 and probably large enough to have a sufficient dating population. Akron is 40 miles from Cleveland and only about 20-25 miles from outskirts of Cleveland. It'd be possible though less probable for Akron people to date Cleveland people.
I just made up that word to reference a typical low COL town in Ohio lol. I didn’t even know it actually existed.

Middle tier men like John are in the worst position. It's better to be broke, tattooed, and look like you've possibly served jail time than be a middle tier, normie white collar man. It's better to be a nightclub/strip club bouncer and bang hot, young strippers and bartenders than be a middle tier, normie white collar man. It's also better to be a higher level white collar executive than a middle tier white collar guy, who is either a middle manager or a higher level individual contributor.
I agree with everything. Your typical bouncer or Mr. Fun is not going to have his life limited by a white collar profession. This means he is free to constantly live a lax life, have more energy for fun time with women, and can get be edgy with tattoos and etc. In addition, his dating pool is bigger because he can literally date any woman of income status while John is limited to a certain type of woman that make similar or less money than him. John’s only hope is to meet a divorced childless single woman around his age or luck up at work.
 
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This sounds like a victim mentality. Since you can’t find a decent women in your age bracket, you‘re gonna have to settle for grandmas? No thanks. A woman that age must be divorced or low quality if she is not already taken.

All these women you guys are describing are gold diggers and superficial hoes. How many chics do you personally know that get flown out to Dubai to party on some guy’s yacht? That chic is going to have a high body count anyway if that is her game. She’s not going to be a quality woman based on her actions. Social media has convinced men that everyone has to be Andrew Tate status in order to get a woman. The game is changing and women are earning their own money. Quite frankly that is a good thing. I’ve been the sole provider for years and it would be nice if my wife made half the money she burns up each year.

I work next to a woman, 35, makes >$150k. She left her boyfriend a few years ago because he lost his job and sat on his butt and didn’t try to get another job. She has since started dating a dork at work. They probably make about the same but it is all about personality. These two click for some reason. She’s not looking at his bank account, she was lonely and they get along.
She probably isn’t that hot to begin with. Even if I am wrong, John never stood a chance because she only dates within her close proximity. This is not the type of girl to be seen on an app or open to being approached outside. Regardless, the hopeless romantic single women in their late 20s to mid 30s I know are getting passed around by rich men and getting flown out to Cabo and shvt. In Akron, Ohio, this is really uncommon, but in Los Angeles this is completely normal lol.
 

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Agree with @itouchyou that there are different layers of wealth. Disagree that there isn't much of a difference in treatment between $125k and $225k in terms of sexual market value.

A $225k guy is more attractive to childless career women in her 30s/early 40s, who are also more likely to be in the $90k-$150k range. A $125k a year guy isn't that attractive to a childless career woman. A childless career woman might be making $80-120k. While the $125k a year guy makes more than she does, it's not enough to impress her, whereas a $110k a year woman will be impressed by the $225k a year guy, even though her $110k provides an above average lifestyle for her.
What you're missing is the fact that $125k from the guy and say $100k from the woman = $225k. $225k is more than enough to lead a nice life. Women aren't going to reject guys based on that, IMO. After both of them maxing 401k and taxes that's atleast $10-11k/month. More than enough.

Beyond that income the only difference is an E class mercedes vs S class, or a slightly nicer home. Inconsequential.

I only think it matters if the woman doesn't work.
 

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Bro the average salary in Kansas is like $50k.

Most people will never reach $175k/year in their entire life. $175k/year might not be impressive in LA/Seattle/NY/Boston, but nearly everywhere else that salary is substantial.

Unless you're talking about this guy flaunting his wealth to be a provider while the woman sits at home forever, $175k is very respectable. That's $9k/month after taxes/deductions.
Here in Mexico you can live like a king with that net salary. Women will flock you.
 

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I only think it matters if the woman doesn't work.
Almost all women are in the workforce now and intend to stay in the workforce after marriage if they get married.

What you're missing is the fact that $125k from the guy and say $100k from the woman = $225k. $225k is more than enough to lead a nice life. Women aren't going to reject guys based on that, IMO. After both of them maxing 401k and taxes that's atleast $10-11k/month. More than enough.

Beyond that income the only difference is an E class mercedes vs S class, or a slightly nicer home. Inconsequential.
Logically, what you say makes sense. Women don't operate on logic. They operate on emotion. "All the feelz".

They want and deserve the absolute best. Feminism has been telling them "Never Settle!" since the 1960s.

being in a subpar marriage is another thing, I meant struggling to find a woman to date
The biggest hurdle for male doctors and lawyers in dating is actually finding the time to date with their career demands.

Your typical bouncer or Mr. Fun is not going to have his life limited by a white collar profession. This means he is free to constantly live a lax life, have more energy for fun time with women, and can get be edgy with tattoos and etc. In addition, his dating pool is bigger because he can literally date any woman of income status while John is limited to a certain type of woman that make similar or less money than him. John’s only hope is to meet a divorced childless single woman around his age or luck up at work.
Yes, a bouncer, blue collar guy, McJob worker, or other non-white collar guy can date anyone and is judged less on money than the white collar guy. A lot of college educated women don't take these guys seriously for LTRs though.

The 'John' example is a semi-successful white collar guy. That's not a competitive spot in the marketplace. There are too many of those guys and too few women demand them. As they age, they are targets for single moms needing a beta bucks but that's it. Also, white collar working environments are more asexual nowadays for a lot of reasons, so that 'John' guy isn't going to find love at work, unless it's a female co-worker setting him up with a female friend or a male co-worker's wife having a female friend. Those things also happen less in white collar workplaces now. Divorced childless single woman is a better option than any single mom looking for beta bucks option that might exist.
 
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Just short of my 32nd birthday, I feel like I've already hit the wall.

I make even less than the hypothetical John. I make 38k per year (In my case, it's not because I focused on weed and video games though).

I have good looks, dress well, but am incredibly socially awkward.

One thing I have going for me that John doesn't: I live in a big city. That being said, my own age group of women are largely either married or have a serious boyfriend. There are lots of college girls (and fresh college graduates) where I live. But why would a 22 year old fresh college graduate want me when she could easily find a 24 year old guy who probably makes more than me?

Same goes for a 20 year old college girl. Why would a 20 year old college girl want me when she could also get the 24 year old guy who makes more than me?
 

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Just short of my 32nd birthday, I feel like I've already hit the wall.

I make even less than the hypothetical John. I make 38k per year (In my case, it's not because I focused on weed and video games though).

I have good looks, dress well, but am incredibly socially awkward.

One thing I have going for me that John doesn't: I live in a big city. That being said, my own age group of women are largely either married or have a serious boyfriend. There are lots of college girls (and fresh college graduates) where I live. But why would a 22 year old fresh college graduate want me when she could easily find a 24 year old guy who probably makes more than me?

Same goes for a 20 year old college girl. Why would a 20 year old college girl want me when she could also get the 24 year old guy who makes more than me?
Dude, that age range cares the least about money. Also, that age range is the most socially awkward age range (perhaps of the history of adult humans). Sell your age as "experience" and get nerdy 20 somethings who are dtf. See an escort if you have anxiety that is specifically related to girls. Practice randomly commenting to strangers in public about stuff worth commenting on.
 

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I have good looks, dress well, but am incredibly socially awkward.
This is your biggest problem and needs to be addressed immediately. You won't make progress on anything without improving your social skills to at least adequate.

Just short of my 32nd birthday, I feel like I've already hit the wall.

I make even less than the hypothetical John. I make 38k per year (In my case, it's not because I focused on weed and video games though).

One thing I have going for me that John doesn't: I live in a big city. That being said, my own age group of women are largely either married or have a serious boyfriend. There are lots of college girls (and fresh college graduates) where I live. But why would a 22 year old fresh college graduate want me when she could easily find a 24 year old guy who probably makes more than me?

Same goes for a 20 year old college girl. Why would a 20 year old college girl want me when she could also get the 24 year old guy who makes more than me?
It's difficult to be 30+ with lower income. However, it's not impossible. We have a success story on this forum in a similar spot. @BPH is 29, lives with his parents in a suburban area within a mid-sized metro, and has a notch count of 80+. How does he do it? He's 6'0", fit, and has at least adequate social skills.

20-22 year old college students and recent college graduates do want men who are 30-35. However, if you're 30-35, it's generally expected that you have money if you're attracting and seducing 20-22 year olds. The 20-22 year old female who primarily interacts with 20-25 year old men is interacting with broke men. A 30-35 year old with money is something that impresses them. It's not easy for them to find that in their age group. You have to offer something special to get the attention of 20-22 year olds when you are 30+.

Dude, that age range cares the least about money. Also, that age range is the most socially awkward age range (perhaps of the history of adult humans). Sell your age as "experience" and get nerdy 20 somethings who are dtf. Practice randomly commenting to strangers in public about stuff worth commenting on.
Yes, I agree that 20-22 year olds care the least about money because they realize similarly aged men typically don't have money.

Random comments to strangers in public are opening lines of approaches. Approaches in person are good.

He could sell his age as "experience" but it wouldn't do much without money unless he can offer something else. If he owns a motorcycle despite making $38k per year, he could position himself to younger females as an exciting guy. Tattoos might help too.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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