Why the wall for men is much worse than the wall for females

[I_have_BDE]

Bro the average salary in Kansas is like $50k.

Most people will never reach $175k/year in their entire life. $175k/year might not be impressive in LA/Seattle/NY/Boston, but nearly everywhere else that salary is substantial.

Unless you're talking about this guy flaunting his wealth to be a provider while the woman sits at home forever, $175k is very respectable. That's $9k/month after taxes/deductions.

175k a year outside an expensive area is very impressive! What about if you're putting 40k a year of that into investments? You can be making interest on it as well.

Outside of places like california, ny, chicago thats good. Here in Florida wages are garbage even with your college degrees compared to other states. 175k around here for someone under 50 will stand out

 

[SW15]

175k around here for someone under 50 will stand out

In Dallas, that's the lower end of the stand out range. In Dallas, if you're under 50 and make $150,000-$175,000 annually, that's a good income but it's not spectacular. $100,000 - $149,999 annual salary isn't going to stand out much here.

 

[I_have_BDE]

In Dallas, that's the lower end of the stand out range. In Dallas, if you're under 50 and make $150,000-$175,000 annually, that's a good income but it's not spectacular. $100,000 - $149,999 annual salary isn't going to stand out much here.

What are these jobs? Nerd tech jobs? Many general internest doctors only make 175k a year.

What about oil rig jobs in thrle gulf? You can pull over 200k a year doing that with overtime. Would a chick think you're a rube working that?

 

[DonJuanjr]

What are these jobs? Nerd tech jobs?

Yes.

 

[Pandora]

The female wall isn’t so bad because a female can have sexual options well in to her 50s. The issue is the quality of those options, but this can be improved by just working on herself sexually. I used to think being a single mom was the Scarlett S, but most men don’t care apparently. Regardless, the female wall isn’t that bad. Why is the male wall worse?

Scenario:

John is in his mid to late 30s and he makes around 50-70k a year which is enough for a single man to live comfortably by in a lower COL part of the state. John dated around a few, but none of the girls really panned out. He was more content on just smoking weed, playing PlayStation, drinking, and etc rather than focusing on his career or developing a family. Eventually, he realizes he is nearing 40 and his social circle group is dwindling, so he decides to get serious about finding a potential wife. John starts looking for single women around his age, but notices that they are career women and make more money than him. He looks at the women below his income and they are mostly washed up welfare single moms at this point. He could look for 18 year old women and become a sugar daddy, but does he really want to do that? His only option would be girls right out of HS since he doesn’t live in popular part of a downtown major US city. His only current viable option is to be a passport bro and find him a hot woman abroad. Realistically, John is royally screwed lol.

John is going to have to make some major lifestyle changes that he will not see the effects overnight to become viable in the dating marketplace. He is not economically viable to women in his age range and he lacks the money and looks to date younger women. His only option for a woman that is not low some is to go to a foreign country with a different language and government and find a woman there. Meanwhile, all a woman has to do is lose weight and wear the right makeup.

The best solution to this is to avoid turning in to John in the first place.

I am John. I feel attacked.

 

[Pandora]

What's wrong with GeoMaxxing?

As a guy who is GeoMaxxing its a mixed bag. There are issues that you never expect.

1.) Language barrier. Even if she speaks fluent English her parents do not. So they will always take her side of the story because she can tell them anything.

2.) You never truly know if they like you for the Visa.

3.) Immigration to the USA is tricky esp if they come from an Eastern nation.

4.) If you keep them in their nation you never know who will be around your wife or kid.

5.) Women in poor countries never really grasp that money does not grow on trees i. America.

6.) Foreign young women are not that much different than American young women. The internet and globalization has homogenised the world. They are just slightly better.

 

[Pandora]

Unless he's after a woman who has no career/job, even $100-150k is enough.

Women only care about income as much as you're saying if they intend to marry a beta bux. These days women are "empowered" and largely have their own sources of income which is why so many men are struggling. They don't need a guy pulling in $200k, they need a guy with a good personality and good looks. Which is honestly a great thing, because they're dating a man for who he is and not what he can provide.

Salary isn't even a parameter that comes up on dates, and if it does, the girl probably isn't worth it.

False false and false. Salary is huge. A women is wired to only respect a man that makes more money than she does.

 

[itouchyou]

False false and false. Salary is huge. A women is wired to only respect a man that makes more money than she does.

Explain to me why the past five women who messaged me first on dating apps were all doctors that were five years younger. I am an engineer that makes less than doctors.

 

[Pandora]

Women do not think like this, using raw logic.

They aren't falling in love with a man's wallet.

There is wealth, and then there is wealth. I have friends who are legit billionaires. They live in Dubai and order supercars to their doorstep. Women might pick guys like that over a regular guy making $200k, but they aren't going to make a big fuss over a guy making $125k instead of $225k. For normal people like us, it's all about looks/game. Money is the least important these days unless the woman is broke and looking for a sugardaddy.

Yes I see what you are saying and I agree but there is a caveat. Personality, looks and charm can get her to fall in love with you. She will never truly respect you though.

She will always be trying to "fix" you. She will pester you about going back to school etc. She wont even marry you if you are broke. You will be her fun exciting walking dildo. You have to be making significantly more money than she does.

Ask me how I know this?

 

[itouchyou]

Yes I see what you are saying and I agree but there is a caveat. Personality, looks and charm can get her to fall in love with you. She will never truly respect you though.

She will always be trying to "fix" you. She will pester you about going back to school etc. She wont even marry you if you are broke. You will be her fun exciting walking dildo. You have to be making significantly more money than she does.

Ask me how I know this?

Women do not give a **** about your money unless you're broke and/or you're a beta/simp.

It sounds like you are dating dumb women and/or girls who haven't matured. I only have dated very educated women and not once have they questioned my salary even though they are clearly pulling way more.

Maybe my experience is abnormal; but I have a top 1% physique and my background is in engineering. I dated a girl who was a radiation oncologist who made $400-500k after residency while I made less than $100k. Next girl I dated was a neurologist/CEO who pulled in $200-300k working part time, again while I didn't even make $100k.

Like I said before - women no longer date men because of money, because they have their own cashflow. Sounds like you're dating broke women.

 

[Pandora]

Explain to me why the past five women who messaged me first on dating apps were all doctors that were five years younger. I am an engineer that makes less than doctors.

Because they are desperate and because you are handsome to them ( no homo). These doctor chicks cant keep a fellow doctor because they are a pain to be around.

If you were to get in a relationship with them they will talk down to you. They will never submit to you. You are their fun boy.

I failed to get a medical residency but still keep in contact with my female doctor class mates. Trust me on this. You have to be making more than them.

 

[Pandora]

Women do not give a **** about your money unless you're broke and/or you're a beta/simp.

It sounds like you are dating dumb women and/or girls who haven't matured. I only have dated very educated women and not once have they questioned my salary even though they are clearly pulling way more.

Lol bruh. Did you just say women dont care about your salary??? VERY YOUNG women dont care about your salary too much. They are just happy you have a car and apartment.

Older successful women very much care about your salary but they are DESPERATE and are willing to make concessions.

Christian Grey in 50 Shades of Grey was written as a BILLIONAIRE for a reason.

 

[itouchyou]

Because they are desperate and because you are handsome to them ( no homo). These doctor chicks cant keep a fellow doctor because they are a pain to be around.

If you were to get in a relationship with them they will talk down to you. You will never submit to you. You are their fun boy.

I failed to get a medical residency but still keep in contact with my female doctor class mates. Trust me on this. You have to be making more than them.

I was in a relationship. None of what you say happened.

So now instead of claiming that all women care about your money, when faced with the scenario of someone defying that thesis, your logic reverts to them being desperate.. lol.

As for your logic about these doctor chicks not keeping a fellow doctor because they're a pain to be around? No, the reason is because most male doctors look terrible and have the personality of beta bux when it comes to women.

 

[itouchyou]

Lol bruh. Did you just say women dont care about your salary??? VERY YOUNG women dont care about your salary too much. They are just happy you have a car and apartment.

Older successful women very much care about your salary but they are DESPERATE and are willing to make concessions.

Christian Grey in 50 Shades of Grey was written as a BILLIONAIRE for a reason.

So they care about your salary but they're also desperate. Aka your initial argument is complete fail so now you throw in desperate in there.

Have you perhaps considered that maybe they care more about looks/personality rather than money? Perhaps it has nothing to do with desperation and money really is on the lower end of importance for women who really have no need for a man that makes a lot of money since they have enough?

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Explain to me why the past five women who messaged me first on dating apps were all doctors that were five years younger. I am an engineer that makes less than doctors.

They want your balls in their purse lolol. They're men with vaginas seeking to dominate who they think is a pushover socially awkward engineer.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

What about oil rig jobs in thrle gulf? You can pull over 200k a year doing that with overtime. Would a chick think you're a rube working that?

Sir, this is Texas.

 

[Pandora]

They want your balls in their purse lolol. They're men with vaginas seeking to dominate who they think is a pushover socially awkward engineer.

Exactly lol. I dont understand why this dude does not understand this.

 

[Pandora]

So they care about your salary but they're also desperate. Aka your initial argument is complete fail so now you throw in desperate in there.

Have you perhaps considered that maybe they care more about looks/personality rather than money? Perhaps it has nothing to do with desperation and money really is on the lower end of importance for women who really have no need for a man that makes a lot of money since they have enough?

Yes they care about your salary but they are desperate enough to overlook it....initially.

Just like how men prefer women without children but men are desperate enough to overlook it.....initially.

You are in denial if you think women dont highly value a guy that makes alot of money. I am a " broke" guy but the truth is the truth. Even if it hurts.

 

[itouchyou]

Yes they care about your salary but they are desperate enough to overlook it....initially.

Just like how men prefer women without children but men are desperate enough to overlook it.....initially.

You are in denial if you think women dont highly value a guy that makes alot of money. I am a " broke" guy but the truth is the truth. Even if it hurts.

There's nothing that hurts on my end. I'm @ $175k now 34 years old remotely, in a month I'll be at $200k. This is while working 5-10 hours a week.

Salary has never come up in my dealings with wealthy women.

It has nothing to do with desperation, if you can't understand that a woman making $250k simply has different priorities in what she seeks from her man than a woman pulling in $75k, nothing further to discuss.

They want your balls in their purse lolol. They're men with vaginas seeking to dominate who they think is a pushover socially awkward engineer.

... I'm not sure why you would think that when women see a guy with a top 1% physique and a very solid face, he is somehow a socially awkward pushover because he's an engineer. Just lmao.


Sounds like cope from both of you. Whatever. I guess it's hard to accept that women these days really do care about who a guy is as a person rather than what he has in his wallet. Makes it so that you have to accept responsibility for who you are instead of just blaming it on women's financial expectations.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

There's nothing that hurts on my end. I'm @ $175k now 34 years old remotely, in a month I'll be at $200k. This is while working 5-10 hours a week.

Salary has never come up in my dealings with wealthy women.

It has nothing to do with desperation, if you can't understand that a woman making $250k simply has different priorities in what she seeks from her man than a woman pulling in $75k, nothing further to discuss.



... I'm not sure why you would think that when women see a guy with a top 1% physique and a very solid face, he is somehow a socially awkward pushover because he's an engineer. Just lmao.


Sounds like cope from both of you. Whatever. I guess it's hard to accept that women these days really do care about who a guy is as a person rather than what he has in his wallet. Makes it so that you have to accept responsibility for who you are instead of just blaming it on women's financial expectations.

It could be hypergamy, I don't know. But there's definitely a solid reason why *5* doctors in a row are pursuing you, and I bet it could go a long way going forward if you're able to get a handle on why. If you're into female doctors, that's cool but realistically you want a broader swath of women who are highly interested.