Why do us guys, men, have to be perfect everything in order to get girls?

[ArcBound]

Your logic is ridiculous.

If you WANT something from a girl, you HAVE TO give her something IN RETURN. She is not going to give you sex because you can get to Level 4 in Grand Theft Auto, she is not going to give you sex because you know how to get free porn on the Internet, she will give it up if she GETS SOMETHING OUT OF IT. Can you make her laugh? Can you stroke her ego? Can you cook like a chef? Can you give her great sex?

You have to LOOK AT IT FROM HER POINT OF VIEW. What does a girl get to be with you? To hold your hand? to hug you? to kiss you? to give sex? She gets a guy who has NO life, NO confidence, NO passion, NO ambition, NO friends, NO money, NO personality, NO looks, but can name all the best porn stars? That is NOT A GOOD TRADE FOR HER.

You wouldn't sell your car without getting something in return for it, so why would a girl give up her body without getting something in return for it?

On this forum we always say the woman has been spoiled and expects a prince without having to work for it. I'd argue the average american male is THE EXACT SAME WAY.

 

[initiatorhater06]

Your logic is ridiculous.

If you WANT something from a girl, you HAVE TO give her something IN RETURN. She is not going to give you sex because you can get to Level 4 in Grand Theft Auto, she is not going to give you sex because you know how to get free porn on the Internet, she will give it up if she GETS SOMETHING OUT OF IT. Can you make her laugh? Can you stroke her ego? Can you cook like a chef? Can you give her great sex?

You have to LOOK AT IT FROM HER POINT OF VIEW. What does a girl get to be with you? To hold your hand? to hug you? to kiss you? to give sex? She gets a guy who has NO life, NO confidence, NO passion, NO ambition, NO friends, NO money, NO personality, NO looks, but can name all the best porn stars? That is NOT A GOOD TRADE FOR HER.

You wouldn't sell your car without getting something in return for it, so why would a girl give up her body without getting something in return for it?[/QUOTE

Maybe it's because most men don't care if they get anything in return as long as they get some action

 

[TheManOfSteel]

All of you b1tchin' are lazy fvcks. Be glad that you can change what you are.

Men:
Got a scrawny/fat body? Gym
You're boring? Get a hobby.
Can't dance? Take classes.
Boring/Tiresome/Low-paying job? Educate yourself and go for a better one.

Women:
Nature rolls the 1-10 dice. Wherever it lands she's stuck with it and there's only so much they can change.
We, on the other hand, can do a complete 180 given the time and sweat.

Now ask yourselves this. How would you have it?

Agreed. Even a borderline fugly dude can get atleast SOMETHING from the above list going for him. If you're a fugly girl... now that just sucks for them. :|

 

[Fuglydude]

Agreed. Even a borderline fugly dude can get atleast SOMETHING from the above list going for him. If you're a fugly girl... now that just sucks for them. :|

I'm a regular fuglydude... definitely not a borderline one!!! :rockon:

First of all we as men do not have to be perfect at everything to get girls.... in fact far from. After I started stripping I would smoke a lot of pot, do party drugs like ecstasy, neglect school, have unprotected sex with multiple women, and on the whole really didn't do anything right. Girls love high risk guys, and as a substance abusing male stripper you have all of these qualities that women find exciting, etc.

I've settled now at this point in my life and think that having to improve yourself constantly is one of the ways we can be happiest in this life. I'm not saying you should work all the time and not enjoy yourself and relax. However, having goals and working hard towards them, and finally achieving them is among the most satisfying things.

We simply have to focus on being a high quality men. This will ensure that we are happy and contribute positive things back to our society. It will also help us get girls. By high quality I mean being in elite shape, having a good career/income, engaging personality, social/sexual awareness and good family/social network. All of these things take work, and in the end lead us to become better men.

I'm engaged to a semi-pro model who's also a figure competitor, I have 8 years of post-secondary university education and 2 degrees, I make >100k and am a competitive bodybuilder. Overall I'm happy with where I am in my life, but there's always room for improvement. Everything I've accomplished so far took work. I've been training consistently for around 12 years and have never taken more than a couple of weeks off... My degrees were quite a bit of work, and I have to work around 50 hours a week to make my current income. I have a great relationship with my fiance, but we've had many rough patches at the start. Communication and compromise and most importantly WORK was needed to mediate the situation.

My point is that everything takes work to accomplish. If you want a high quality girl(s) you're gonna have to be a high quality guy yourself. For most of us this entails working our asses off. I don't know about you, but I'd rather die than be some average lazy dude who's struggling through life and simply living day to day with out any goals or ambition.

 

[joeEtata]

A lot of this is just mental masturbation and theorizing.

Sure, if you want a preppy blonde type in the 18-25 range, you have lots and lots of competition. It's kind of like the movie American Beauty when the girl says that ever since age 12 men looked at her like they wanted to devour her and it turned her into a ****y b*tch whose life is based on her physical attractiveness.

But you have to think, other than sex and arm candy, why would you want her anyway?

That also goes for the other women that want some hunky firefighter for a boyfriend. Why would you want such a shallow woman other than her looks and sex?

There are plenty of quality, attractive women out there that aren't fatties, warpigs, or UGs, and you don't notice them because they wouldn't make your friends jealous or be in your favorite nudie magazine.

I can't say for sure, but I think a lot of guys on here, and in general, have a narrow view of beauty...they think Megan Fox/Kim Kardasian types of women...and anyone who isn't at that level is undateable.

I can perfectly understand not wanting to date/do a fattie/warpig/crazy ugly woman...but those are a minority anyway unless you're on free dating sites or live in the middle of nowhere.

 

[initiatorhater06]

I'm a regular fuglydude... definitely not a borderline one!!! :rockon:

First of all we as men do not have to be perfect at everything to get girls.... in fact far from. After I started stripping I would smoke a lot of pot, do party drugs like ecstasy, neglect school, have unprotected sex with multiple women, and on the whole really didn't do anything right. Girls love high risk guys, and as a substance abusing male stripper you have all of these qualities that women find exciting, etc.

I've settled now at this point in my life and think that having to improve yourself constantly is one of the ways we can be happiest in this life. I'm not saying you should work all the time and not enjoy yourself and relax. However, having goals and working hard towards them, and finally achieving them is among the most satisfying things.

We simply have to focus on being a high quality men. This will ensure that we are happy and contribute positive things back to our society. It will also help us get girls. By high quality I mean being in elite shape, having a good career/income, engaging personality, social/sexual awareness and good family/social network. All of these things take work, and in the end lead us to become better men.

I'm engaged to a semi-pro model who's also a figure competitor, I have 8 years of post-secondary university education and 2 degrees, I make >100k and am a competitive bodybuilder. Overall I'm happy with where I am in my life, but there's always room for improvement. Everything I've accomplished so far took work. I've been training consistently for around 12 years and have never taken more than a couple of weeks off... My degrees were quite a bit of work, and I have to work around 50 hours a week to make my current income. I have a great relationship with my fiance, but we've had many rough patches at the start. Communication and compromise and most importantly WORK was needed to mediate the situation.

My point is that everything takes work to accomplish. If you want a high quality girl(s) you're gonna have to be a high quality guy yourself. For most of us this entails working our asses off. I don't know about you, but I'd rather die than be some average lazy dude who's struggling through life and simply living day to day with out any goals or ambition.

yeah well my point, in order to be a high-quality man that women are attracted to, we have to be what you said, but in order for a women to be a high-quality woman that is attractive men, she just has to be hot, look good, born cute, thats all. It's easier to be visually, physically appealing to someone than it is to be verbally, mentally, socially appealing to someone.

 

[Noodles]

yeah well my point, in order to be a high-quality man that women are attracted to, we have to be what you said, but in order for a women to be a high-quality woman that is attractive men, she just has to be hot, look good, born cute, thats all. It's easier to be visually, physically appealing to someone than it is to be verbally, mentally, socially appealing to someone.

That's all, huh? Pity the 90% of girls that aren't then...

And how is this any different for a guy? If you're born good looking and stay in shape (and for the record, women need to stay in shape to be 'hot') then you will get laid.

If you're born fuk ugly, become fat and boring...you won't.

Your 'point' is pointless. So you're either trolling...or you're one of life's losers.

 

[SharinganUser]

yeah well my point, in order to be a high-quality man that women are attracted to, we have to be what you said, but in order for a women to be a high-quality woman that is attractive men, she just has to be hot, look good, born cute, thats all. It's easier to be visually, physically appealing to someone than it is to be verbally, mentally, socially appealing to someone.

Those are YOUR afc standards. If a woman is just hot, I don't automatically think that she is going to be high quality. She could be the hottest girl in the room, but if she is boring, *****y, low class or I think she's going to give some kind of grief then she is definitely NOT High quality.

 

[joeEtata]

The thing is, there are women out there where simply if SHE thinks you're cute/good looking and you have similar lifestyles, come from the same circles etc, then that's all that matters.

I'd venture that most men you see with a really hot women (at least young men) got her through the social circle game.

Very few men out there are these great looking, smooth talking, rich, well connected guys. If those were the only men sleeping with good looking women, then the world wouldn't exist.

 

[CoolBlue]

That would be great if men were only allowed one girl. But the guys who know how to get girls, get a lot of girls. Far more than their "fair share."

That's the magical thing. If you are a really great guy it's so easy for you to get many hot chicks. But I believe in America you are only allowed to marry one broad. So all the unmarried broads are available if you are good enough to get them. The great guys might screw many hot chicks, but he can't keep them all. Eventually the untaken chicks have to settle down for someone. They might be a bit older and worse for wear by then, but losers like you can't be choosers.

Also, hot chicks can string along many AFC orbiters and denying plain girls a chance with these nice guys. So the girls are in the same boat as you.

Having to compete against other guys absolutely sucks. Thanks to my height, I'm basically a 4.5 on the looks scale and the only thing I have to win girls over is my personality. Which explains why I've done so fucking poorly with women.

And girls having to compete with other hotter girls absolutely sucks. They can't even count on their personality to attract guys. Aren't you lucky that you can use that?

Girls really don't have to compete with other women. The only do so if they want the "best" guys. Girls who are 6's are still in high demand. The only things that stops a girl from getting guys, is her own standards.

Sure if you are only considering girls 6s and above. How about girls below a 6? You know that following a bell curve, the majority will be 1-5 rather than being 6 and above right? Why aren't you going for them? Is it their standards that are stopping you from attracting them?

Fatties can work out, eat less. Cougars had their time. Ugly girls aren't that common.

Only because you don't pay attention to them. Take note next time you go to class or the library or whatever and count the ugly chicks that have no guys. You'd be surprised by the amount you see.

And that's my issue. Women would rather be single then be with me. It's a real ego buster when you know that nothing really is better.

Well stop being a loser. Of course they wouldn't want to be with a loser. Or you can date fat/old/ugly girls that no one wants to be with too. You are a guy that no girl wants to be with, they are girls no guys want to be with. You'd make a great couple.

Guys are far more likely to settle than women are. It's much more common to see situations where the guy is higher quality than the girl instead of vice-versa. How many fat guys do you know that have thin girl friends?

You have got to be kidding. There are so many rich old fat men with hot supermodels. I would say there are more hot girls with physically unattractive men. Water seeks its own level, if the guys are really so high quality they should be able to get better chicks so they must really not be all that high quality after all.

 

[Fuglydude]

yeah well my point, in order to be a high-quality man that women are attracted to, we have to be what you said, but in order for a women to be a high-quality woman that is attractive men, she just has to be hot, look good, born cute, thats all. It's easier to be visually, physically appealing to someone than it is to be verbally, mentally, socially appealing to someone.

Strongly disagree with this. Physical appearance is but one trait that makes women appealing/attractive/high quality. If a girl is hot and doesn't have much else going for her... then she'd be nothing more than a phuck doll... definitely not what I'd consider a high quality woman. Just because a girl is hot, doesn't mean she's high quality. She's gotta have an education/be intelligent, have a good personality/integrity, good family, blah blah blah. I'd never ever consider a girl who was simply hot as serious LTR material. They're great for sex and having fun, but shouldn't even be considered for anything more serious.

Looks fade. Many girls can maintain attractive features through out their 20s, but unless they are into fitness and good at taking care of themselves, their looks/bodies can deteriorate fast in their 30s and 40s. It takes discipline and dedication to maintain our looks and our bodies as we age. The same goes for women.

 

[GoodButNotGreat]

yeah well my point, in order to be a high-quality man that women are attracted to, we have to be what you said, but in order for a women to be a high-quality woman that is attractive men, she just has to be hot, look good, born cute, thats all. It's easier to be visually, physically appealing to someone than it is to be verbally, mentally, socially appealing to someone.

Yeah and guess what? women are born and when they have sex and produce a kid they have to lug the baby around for 10 months, GIVE BIRTH out of their vajay-jay or get CUT UP.

us men are born and we can have kids and then ON TO THE NEXT ONE(hypothetically).

Not everything in life is fair man, its just the way it is and I suggest you do whatever it takes to get what you want instead of complaining.

****, you could have been born a damn cow or chicken or even an ant and have a way worse life, but guess what? were humans and no matter how bad you think you might be, our lives are still precious and a gift.

LIVE IT UP MAN.

 

[DanelMadr]

Don't you want to be perfect?
Do you want to live life where are pieces of you missing and you don't even know how they might look like? Isn't it the Matrix (as much as I don't like the movie for other reasons)?

Actually I thank women they are like that. I thought nobody appreciates the qualities which build the Man. Yes they do appreciate azzholes and Jerks but that's just because they are not perfect themselves.
Does not that giving you the hope for mankind?

And the peace when you actually realize that you don't have to hide yourself. You can face your flaws with self honesty and that it will help you to get rid of that annoying false ego. And the best part...it will not only make you feel better and in touch with universe, it will also get you a nice woman.

It's a lot of work and sometimes painful but it is worth it.

You ranting here might be a good sign. You actually want to be proved wrong. Or I might be wrong and you want to cough up the red pill and go back to your stake after stake after stake, sort of happy feeding your frustration with artificial stuff.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Here's the good news: Women's standards crumble easily given the right incentives.

A woman’s standards are like a house of cards: kick out one from the bottom and the whole edifice crashes down. Never assume what a woman says - even amongst her girlfriends - is any proof of her motivation. A woman's behavior is the only verifiable proof of intent.

A woman’s standards, however emphatically and insistently declared, are more like a fantasy dating team: free of the constraints of market barter, she happily indulges in a little of the ol’ ultradelusion. That is, if you ask a woman her standards, you will never – and I mean never – get an honest and realistic answer from her.

This is because women are, on the whole, incapable of accurate self-assessment. A woman’s prime directive in life is to sell herself the moon. A man’s directive is to sidestep paying her inflated price for that moon.

Although Men are uniquely expected to perform for women in various degrees, always consider that expectation of performance in contrast to what a woman can realistically demand. Far too many guys overestimate the value of what a woman "says" she wants with the reality of what she'd gladly accept.

 

[garruk]

Seriously, it's like in order for men, guys to be successful with women, girls, we have to be perfect everything, it's like the list of positive qualities that women look for in men is way longer than the list of positive qualities that men look for in women. Seriously, women, girls they just have to be hot, pretty, cute, look good and automatically they are girlfriend material for us guys. Us guys, we have to have a life, we have to have things going for us in our life, we have to love ourself, we have to have confidence, we have to have goals, have a passion for something, it comes down to the way we talk to people and socialize, social skills and conversation skills, have the right attitude, or just a good, great attitude, the right way of thinking, the right mentality, we have to walk right, sit right, stand right, breathe right, think right. We can't be clingy, needy, desperate. Most of us guys don't care if a woman, girl is a bratty person, boring life or boring personality, has no life, have no goals, have no passion for anything, they can be clingy, needy or desperate and still get a boyfriend or get action. I'm not saying that being needy, desperate, clingy is good thing, it's just ****in' hard to not come across like that.

this is not the right way to look at it. i used to think this way too but its immature.

you are right for the most part but you arent seeing the bigger picture. yes men have to do more in order to get girls whereas girls just ahve to be hot.

but men are rewarded for this very reason. getting girls is only 1 aspect of life. as a guy, you can be president, you can be an athlete that people acutally care about, etc etc, you can do so many things.

say you're born wierdly ugly. not hideous but just somehting is off. maybe liek those cleft chins. if you're a guy, you can still live a great life. as a girl? game over.

even famous girl athletes are mostly known for their looks (sharapova, kournikova).


so anways my point is : yes, guys have do more, but we are rewarded for doing it.

 

[Iceberg]

On some chick website I bet there's some fat chick who's unwilling to diet, work, or grow a personality complaining about "Why do us girls have to be perfect at everything in order to get guys?"

 

[loveshogun]

On some chick website I bet there's some fat chick who's unwilling to diet, work, or grow a personality complaining about "Why do us girls have to be perfect at everything in order to get guys?"

Props.

The only thing that annoys me more than a whiny woman: a whiny man.

This has got to be the third or fourth time the OP has posted this exact same topic. He needs to give it a rest.

 

[st_99]

Mainly its all bulls*t. We don't have to be perfect or anywhere near it. How do I know this? Because I see countless lame guys with good looking girlfriends.

I think mainly you just need to have some balls and go after women but not in a way that you really care about the outcome. Do this enough times and you'll get girls here and there and a few will actually cling to you. Thats pretty much it.

 

[Mr.Fantastic]

WAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

****ing hell.

You don't NEED all that **** to get laid. Girls are as horny as we are.

'a girl will GIVE you sex'?!??!?

WHAT SORT OF BULLL**** THINKING IS THAT???

They all want sex - they just want it with someone that doesnt creep them out.

So you are happy being a loser?

Get over it. Its the way it is.

If you get your **** together then you got a lot more going for you than some ***** who is just shaking her ass and wearing too much slap.

Seriously - if a girl just has her looks and nothing else then she is in the weaker position if you got all your **** together.

But even if you havn't - just use a bit of game - be confident and bang some chicks.

 

[DonJuan11]

yeah well my point, in order to be a high-quality man that women are attracted to, we have to be what you said, but in order for a women to be a high-quality woman that is attractive men, she just has to be hot, look good, born cute, thats all. It's easier to be visually, physically appealing to someone than it is to be verbally, mentally, socially appealing to someone.

It's fairly easy to see that you don't give much energy to others, yet you are very good at sucking it out, and most girls don't like having sex with, let alone hanging out with, guys who take energy away from them.