Why are religious guys such man shamers/pvssy beggers?

[Warrior74]

One of my clients has turned into this religious pvssy beggar on both Facebook and Linkedin (on Linkedin? Really? WTF? I wouldn't post my favorite color on LinkedIn, networking only bro.). Almost every post from him now is about how men need to do this and men need to do that and he sounds like every woman I know who complains about men. (particularly every 30+ woman who doesn't have their **** together, rode the carousel and hit the wall alone with kids).

I know he found jesus a few years back and now it seems his on his way to becoming a minister. It's a reason men are leaving the church in droves, nobody want's to be constantly told their "bad" for their behavior. I don't know why more ministers don't see this. Maybe they do. Pandering to the female flock is how they make their coin I reckon. My father always said, the difference between a pimp and a preacher is where they work. They both spit good game, wear sharp suits, drive Cadillacs, sell promises and get their most of their money out of a man through a woman.

I know he's trying to lock down this chic at his church which is where all of this begging/shaming is coming from. It's just disgusting to see a 37 year old man who used to be a player reduced to this for an imaginary adult santa claus and some poon.

 

[Boilermaker]

Religion ...

I didn't think anything positive could come out of religion except ignorant bigots and diehard partisans, but now I see another reason it's so dangerous. Beta-creation factory at work...

I love your dad's quote by the way.

 

[backbreaker]

Hanlon's Razor

there is no coherent reason. most men just don't know any better.

I don't think the men here have real idea at just how plugged in the avg american male is.

 

[Boilermaker]

c.f. backbreaker:

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Very interesting.

and fully Agreed,

 

[Warrior74]

Hanlon's Razor

there is no coherent reason. most men just don't know any better.

I don't think the men here have real idea at just how plugged in the avg american male is.

Yah. It still surprises me at times. It doesn't help that each man bashing post laced with tons of god, gets 20-30 likes and tons of "you tell em!" encouragement comments.

Whatever, his money is green.

 

[backbreaker]

Yah. It still surprises me at times. It doesn't help that each man bashing post laced with tons of god, gets 20-30 likes and tons of "you tell em!" encouragement comments.

Whatever, his money is green.

I went/grew up in St. Mark Baptist Church which is one of the biggest African american congregations in the south and by far the biggest in Arkansas. our pastor made serious coin. I had to actually pay attention in church beucase a lot fo time i was playing the piano, and a lot of the times he's talking about being an obedient servant or what not and how the man has to do this or what not and never once, well i'm not going to say never but i don't remember any women bashing sermons. just tearing men down


lol, come to find out, this dude had ****ed about half the women congregation lol on the DL. it was a big scandal he got caught sleeping with a popular news woman in town and it was funny he didn't wanna quit. he came back to work and **** like everything was normal and like they had this stand off and it was like yeah bro yeahm.. u gotta go.

i just thought that was funny. man telling everyone to do one thing, this dude done racked up wilt the stilt numbers in the mean time.

If you think about it, it's a microcosm of society; a man leading all the plugged in men to do what is in the woman best interest, they eat the **** up. alot of the women he slept with were married. now all these women who are preaching about do right and treat me right and how they want to be a devoted wife didn't' think 2 seconds about jumping in the sack with the pastor when the opportunity rose.

then the irony of it all is, she will say it was the devil that came over here and there isn't a god damn thing you can do about it. if you leave her you are a ****ty husband and all they have to do is give you the forgiveness sermon and you got to sit there and take that **** lol. there is not many more things i hate then religious bound/initiated marriages. they are all frauds.

I look at my mother.. i tihnk she just turned 47 lol, anyway attractive middle aged woman, i guess 47 is middle aged dont' kill me. works out everyday is a health nazi, 5'5 125 soak and wet. and she makes about 150k a year on top of that, and that's in Arkansas not LA that's a LOT of money. anyway, i've watched her in church, run through man after man who everyone tells her she is supposed to be attracted to. all up in church, men who are all about god bible thumping god fearing men... and my mom is like an 18 year old school girl who can't decide she just isn't into them. she will go on dates and stuff but i mean, she wont' commit.

and yet, she refuses, despite threats from every man in the last 10 or so years to 100% cut off my dad, who, is not only her ex husband, is not only her ex husband from 20 ****ing years ago lol, , but had my 22 year old brother with another woman while he was married to my mom. and she refuses to not talk to him. they talk all the time. he cuts her grass to this day 2 times am onth. would not shock me whatsoever to find out he's still maintenance tapping it every now in then. in fact i'm sure of it my dad has too much game. he's everything the other men aren't. he's smooth, he has interesting **** to talk about that is not bible related, he knows how to have a good time , and whi
le my mom knows him much to well to get in a relationship wtih him.. she just can't cut him off. she has no logical reason to talk to my dad I moved out the damn house 11 years ago. it's funny my dad wont call me he will call my mom and have her tell me your dad wants to talk to you about X. my dad isn't ****ing scared of me honestly he can probably still kick my ass lol., he just uses me as a reason to call her but she's too naive to see it.

that tells me every thing i need to know about the women's bible thumping movement. it's the ultimate emergency break **** in case of emergency back up plan

 

[Atom Smasher]

What specifically is the guy saying?

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear Warrior,
I think we can lay the problem squarely at the feet of Paul,he hijacked the religion,and overlaid it with his own bizarre attitudes to Women and marriage..."better to marry than burn..." really!

 

[SXS]

Dear Warrior,
I think we can lay the problem squarely at the feet of Paul,he hijacked the religion,and overlaid it with his own bizarre attitudes to Women and marriage..."better to marry than burn..." really!

I think nowadays, you get burned.

 

[Findog]

Ironically enough, the modern church is one of the biggest allies of feminism. The overwhelming majority of churchgoers are women. Most husbands I think left to their own devices would not go to church. Most single men I know don't go to church. You don't keep the collection plate full by holding women responsible for their actions and demanding accountability. Neither gender has a monopoly on good or bad behavior, but it's not hard to see why most churches deliver "man up" messages to men and "you're all that" messages to women.

In my entire life I've only been to one church that I actually got something useful out of it and actually felt spiritually nourished by what the pastor preached from the pulpit. For most people, men and women, church is more about cultural identity, and they use it as a country club of sorts. It is truly ironic that millions of upper middle class people every Sunday put on their finest clothes, pile into their late-model SUV, drive past soup kitchens and homeless shelters to arrive at some gleaming megachurch where a pastor tells them to be more like Jesus, a guy who by all accounts spent his time hanging out with the dregs of society and eschewed material values and creature comforts.

 

[Findog]

that tells me every thing i need to know about the women's bible thumping movement. it's the ultimate emergency break **** in case of emergency back up plan

The only difference between church girls and secular girls is that church girls go to church on Sunday morning. That's it. They are no better or worse than secular girls.

 

[MatureDJ]

It is truly ironic that millions of upper middle class people every Sunday put on their finest clothes, pile into their late-model SUV, drive past soup kitchens and homeless shelters to arrive at some gleaming megachurch where a pastor tells them to be more like Jesus, a guy who by all accounts spent his time hanging out with the dregs of society and eschewed material values and creature comforts.

Amen, brother! :cheer:

 

[Warrior74]

What specifically is the guy saying?

I'll paraphrase as I don't want google ninjas tracking me down. These are from the last 2 days.

MEN:Can we talk about more than sports, money, cars, clubs, women and sex? You are your BROTHERS KEEPER! I know we men can do better. Why do I have to talk to a woman just to have a decent conversation? It's a shame!!!!

MEN: Only the Lord can CHANGE who we are! There are no reasons for making EXCUSE as to why MEN aren't getting the job done. Women have filled in the gap for too long. Will the REAL men please STAND UP!!!!

MEN :Stop getting caught up with how a woman looks. Look past it to see what she has to offer! Beauty won't keep you with any woman if you aren't ready to settle down. LADIES don't waste on men that you know can hurt you and your relationship with GOD! Look at his actions, not his words!!!

MEN: Why do women CONSISTENTLY outnumber us in the house of the Lord? They are begging for us to accept GOD, and it frustrates them when we won't. Where would our families be, where would our children be, without women to pick up the slack for us? If we want a REAL and lasting change, WE have to do better!!!

This is just two days. I read back, it goes on for at least 2 weeks of his daily 'admonishments' to men.

 

[SXS]

You can be Christian but not be naive about women and their nature.

To be a xtian, you need to think that Jesus was born of a virgin...

 

[Findog]

God that guy sounds terrible. He's like a Christian Hugo Schwyzer.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

WARRIOR, not sure if you read Dalrock's blog, but he specifically addresses exactly what you're describing here. You should check his stuff out.

http://dalrock.wordpress.com/

The guy you describe fits the Feminine Identifier pathology to the letter. 37 y.o. beta figures he'll convert himself in order to meet (what he thinks is) the criteria of the girl he wants to get with. So he goes all-in and has to make public declarations of that conversion in order to better convince her.

My guess is his religious epiphany would never have occurred if there were no prospect of him getting with a churchy girl.

 

[zekko]

I'll paraphrase as I don't want google ninjas tracking me down. These are from the last 2 days.

I read those quotes, I don't recognize them as being from any religious doctrine that I'm aware of. I agree with him that men have to do better though.

Knowing how anti-religion/anti-spirituality the PUA community is, I wonder how the guys on the RSD forum square the very Eastern religious/philosophical bent they push over there. Especially the whole "You can't reach your full potential in pickup without meditation" bit. Considering that the practice of meditation is very firmly rooted in religion.

 

[AW1983]

Well...I will say I was brought up in an a VERY hardline fundamentalist christian religion, and in retrospect it had a definite anti-game affect on my mentality.

No sex til marriage = Even though I was a decent looking guy with charm, I never got to (by my own conviction, sigh) fraternize with the opposite sex and learn their wily ways.

The meek shall inherit the earth = The beta shall inherit the earth

Do what we say and don't think for yourself = don't do anything outside the blue pill herd

And although the headship principle within a marriage was advocated, without game these married bible-betas were totally clueless.

Despite being brought up that way, I was always an individualist by nature and inevitably ended up butting heads with the church leadership. Not because I was out doing drugs or fornicating, but because I would question minor policy that I didn't think was biblically founded.

Not surprisingly, it was around the time I started delving into philosophy (way before I heard of Game) and had a paradigm shift regarding embracing my individualist (alpha) nature, that I started cleaning up with the ladies.

One thing Game did teach me though, was to escalate QUICKLY. When you're brought up celibate and looking for a marriage mate, there's no rush to escalate, and no reason to. I can't tell you how many lays I missed out on in my early swashbuckling days because I waited to make a move. Just didn't realize that's what they're all waiting for...

 

[backbreaker]

i have to agree wtih yo AW.. when you stirp down tot he nuts and bolts of my life, church brought me here. My mother's religius faith is no fad, she is and has always been hardcore about her Christianity. So I grew up in church. Jr usher board, sunday school, Wed night bible study, church service, eventually the music minstry, etc.

and while my mom had a lot to do with my view on women, church is everything ANTI game


interesting i was reading.. there are more atheist in america today than every. however more interesting than that; 86% of all new ahtiests are men. i don't think that's by coincidence.


I mean if you think about it, churches are nothing more than AFC nightclubs. the marketing strategy is exactly the same; cater to the women the men will follow the women. the message is different, but both are using women to attract men. the more women you have in your club/congregation the more men will show pk the more men show up the more money you make.

churches have relaized that there is no upside to catering to men; half are not gonna leave church regardless of what you say beucase of social pressure and the other half aren't gonna leave where the women are. but tell a woman she is a ***** and she will up and go to a new church wti the quickness

 

[Burroughs]

I mean if you think about it, churches are nothing more than AFC nightclubs. the marketing strategy is exactly the same; cater to the women the men will follow the women. the message is different, but both are using women to attract men. the more women you have in your club/congregation the more men will show pk the more men show up the more money you make.

churches have relaized that there is no upside to catering to men; half are not gonna leave church regardless of what you say beucase of social pressure and the other half aren't gonna leave where the women are. but tell a woman she is a ***** and she will up and go to a new church wti the quickness

the church and the fascist state are identical twins

"Like a woman, the masses fluctuate between extremes... The women usually lead, then follow the children, and at last, when I have already won over the whole family--follow the fathers." -Adolf Hitler

you see the chilling parallel