What the blackpill gets wrong. Hypergamy isnt as bad as we think.

[BackInTheGame78]

I believe @BackInTheGame78 said multiple times he is average looking . @SW15 also mentions it about himself. And I bet there are many more posters who will confirm that looks only bring you so far. We mentioned posters who do have the stats (6 6 6) but are unable to pull. So you have all the information you need according to your last paragraph.


Yet you keep asking guys to confirm that they look like chad so you can keep on drowning yourself in petty. And I believe it is you taking about how race affect your results on the market. So the white crowd must shut up and "just take your word on it".(using race should be a ban imo ). So now you have; face ,race ioi ect ect as an excuse . Smh.

YOU are not helpful dude. Because any poster or lurker who is new and feels like he is in your position might use you as a confirmation he will never be good enough and able to change his results.

You could also make a thread, dairy style, where you decide to change everything radically. Post a picture of yourself and get feedback. Do approaches ect. So YOU become a testimony how to go from a to z.

But no, you rather keep whining and arguing with guys who do have succes with women.

Sit back , shut up and listen. Ask advice and do it. Step by step. Than write here about what does and what doesn't work. THAT'S being helpful. Why dont you just admit you are stubborn depressed and pvssy starved and desperately want a solution? The forum is FILLED with men who can help you bro..


By the way I am Caribbean so the whole race thing doesn't work with me.

Yeah...he pretty much would rather wallow in self pity than work hard to make the changes necessary. That's a lot of the problem. It takes work, a LOT of it sometimes to improve, and the results don't come right away so often times you are putting in a lot of work in the beginning for not much in the way of results.

But that's where you start figuring out what works and what doesn't...kinda like Edison did when he tried 10,000 times to create a light bulb. Most of them didn't work, but once he got it right, it worked and was repeatable.

Can't help people who don't want to work and can't help people who need immediate results because when you are starting from the bottom of the Grand Canyon, the hardest part is getting 10% of the way up.

 

[corrector]

So you gave up? Please confirm you gave up on women, so its easier to understand your POV. @corrector And you are the same poster to me, seems like an alt account from 1 guy anyway.


You'll be hard pressed to find a dude nowadays who is NOT tired and fed up with the current dating environment. I just read a quote on youtube from a woman saying; " I see it all around me, women (including myself ) have become trash . Is it our fault tho?". So its simply a giving that dating is harder.

Why do you focus on other channels anyway? This is the perfect place for you. Lots of testimonies how average dudes with no notches followed advices giving to them and suddenly they had 50 + notches.

Again you drop the race card...white guy with social circle . Green guy with Bugatti. Purple guy with 8 pack. Let's focus on YOU.

By the way,even dudes who claiming to be handsome saying getting women is all about technique, tricks , traps and manipulation. They also learned (the hard way) that just being handsome isnt enough. It might be just as powerful as any other " god giving talent ( as charmed, rich, funny ripped ect)"; it will only open the door a little bit.

If anyone lacks empathy it's you. Unfortunately mostly towards yourself it seems.

Why dont you start making a thread addressing your problems and see what feedback you'll get?

Well?

You should come to Toronto.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

So you gave up? Please confirm you gave up on women, so its easier to understand your POV. @corrector And you are the same poster to me, seems like an alt account from 1 guy anyway.


You'll be hard pressed to find a dude nowadays who is NOT tired and fed up with the current dating environment. I just read a quote on youtube from a woman saying; " I see it all around me, women (including myself ) have become trash . Is it our fault tho?". So its simply a giving that dating is harder.

Why do you focus on other channels anyway? This is the perfect place for you. Lots of testimonies how average dudes with no notches followed advices giving to them and suddenly they had 50 + notches.

Again you drop the race card...white guy with social circle . Green guy with Bugatti. Purple guy with 8 pack. Let's focus on YOU.

By the way,even dudes who claiming to be handsome saying getting women is all about technique, tricks , traps and manipulation. They also learned (the hard way) that just being handsome isnt enough. It might be just as powerful as any other " god giving talent ( as charmed, rich, funny ripped ect)"; it will only open the door a little bit.

If anyone lacks empathy it's you. Unfortunately mostly towards yourself it seems.

Why dont you start making a thread addressing your problems and see what feedback you'll get?

Well?

I don't care about the current dating environment because there is nothing I can do to control any of it. Not worth even worrying about, all I do is just keep at it. It's been a long time since I went more than 2 weeks without getting laid ..probably more than 5 years

 

[SW15]

I know other posters here who are in Toronto. One in particular successfully dated in that environment and partly by applying what he learned here? He found a woman & married her there. He’s busy doing life & not around here much any more. He learned what he needed to help him, accomplished his relationship goal and moved on. But he was willing to be proactive and improve himself where he knew it could benefit him to do so.

Toronto is one of the worst mating environments in North America. I would want no part of that area. While it is possible to succeed in Toronto, it's more difficult than average. To some extent, gripes about mating interactions in Toronto are legitimate.

Read what I wrote above in thread about socialization. Some of y’all stink at basic social interaction and yes, that will adversely affect your results.

Social skills are eroding. Millennials were the first generation to show a large scale erosion of social skills. This is likely to continue into Gen Z. There are 35-40 year old Millennials today who have had piss poor social skills for 20+ years.

If you're 6'4, white and ripped, IDC if you look like a deformed burn victim in the face, average-decent women should be a given, and you should routinely have a shot with the really hot ones. At least that's how it would be a few years back before everything changed with the male/female dynamic where now even whales believe they deserve Zach Effron and nothing less.

@SW15 also mentions it about himself. And I bet there are many more posters who will confirm that looks only bring you so far. We mentioned posters who do have the stats (6 6 6) but are unable to pull. So you have all the information you need according to your last paragraph.

It is problematic when there are posters who are 6'4" with big muscles who are getting treated like shiit by women. As for 6 pack abs, 6 feet tall +, and six figure income, the lower portion of six figure income does not buy a lifestyle anymore that impresses women in major metro areas. Annual incomes of $100,000-$149,999 are not enough for them. Women 30+ with college degrees taken it for granted that the 30+ man they are on a date with already earns $100,000+. No special treatment until at least $150K in my city and possibly $200K in New York, Chicago, or the California coastal cities.

 

[Gamisch]

You should come to Toronto.

Lol. Had to look it up ( really informative btw).

It's like I moved from Toronto(or better , Calgary/ Ottawa),to Port coquitlam (??). I read it as Port so quite lame.

Waiting for your thread asking for a personal help plan. I will happily chime in and think along with you!


Edit. To @SW15 oke let's say Toronto is not ideal. There are still 2 million people in that city. C'mon. A man gotta be able to pull something in such a large city. Women dont have a weekly gathering taling about how to make men's life miserable.

 

[sangheilios]

lol. Also, anyone can dress sharp, not anyone can just BE charismatic. That's like saying "just be good-looking". You're either charismatic, or you aren't. No one is just choosing to NOT be charismatic lols. "Be charismatic" isn't advice. That's like saying being tall or good-looking...you can't just BE things you have no control over.


Listen to the people here who get the laid? The ones here that just spew empty platitudes and project and don't actually give advice beyond "try harder lol"? The same people who just say "derp, race doesn't matter", "being an introvert doesn't matter", "just be confident" "LoOkS dOn'T mAtTeR", etc, when they're not the ones who have to operate with these barriers. You cannot give the same "advice" to everyone, yet that's literally what people try and do here.

I personally believe that being charismatic is a trait you either have or you don't, basically an innate part of your personality that defines who you are.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I'm not a forum, I'm a human being.
No, I do not think I might be gay.
I just don't like women. Like being the key word.

I have some friends who haven’t gotten it in years, decades even (if at all). They’re not gay.

 

[Barrister]

It doesn't matter how successful someone is, if they give chit advice, they give chit advice. That's part of why so many star athletes make horrible coaches. Just like getting women, too much of it is natural and related to external factors you cannot alter, and they can't relate to someone who doesn't have those privileges or advantages. You could have a pineapple juice and cocaine orgy with a French ballerina team every weekend...if you give chit advice, you give chit advice.

Just because someone tells you that you need to be more charismatic in order to get women but does not tell you EXACTLY how to be charismatic (sit there with a half smile like you know more than she does, make strong eye contact, etc.) does not make it "chit advice." At least if that was your implication since your entire response was otherwise a deflection of what I said.

Here is the key - most of this stuff you learn out in the field cold-approaching. You don't truly learn it reading it here or reading it in some dating self-help book. You need to get out there and interact with women in social settings. If you do this enough, and assuming you aren't completely socially inept, you will learn how to turn women on both emotionally and physically.

 

[thelambofdeth]

You'll be hard pressed to find a dude nowadays who is NOT tired and fed up with the current dating environment. I just read a quote on youtube from a woman saying; " I see it all around me, women (including myself ) have become trash . Is it our fault tho?". So its simply a giving that dating is harder.

Why do you focus on other channels anyway? This is the perfect place for you. Lots of testimonies how average dudes with no notches followed advices giving to them and suddenly they had 50 + notches.

Are you serious? The place is borderline reddit at times with all of its blatant trolling and gaslighting. I've literally never seen anyone here mention what they learned from another user. Not.one.time.

Again you drop the race card...white guy with social circle . Green guy with Bugatti. Purple guy with 8 pack. Let's focus on YOU.

By the way,even dudes who claiming to be handsome saying getting women is all about technique, tricks , traps and manipulation. They also learned (the hard way) that just being handsome isnt enough. It might be just as powerful as any other " god giving talent ( as charmed, rich, funny ripped ect)"; it will only open the door a little bit.

If anyone lacks empathy it's you. Unfortunately mostly towards yourself it seems.

Why dont you start making a thread addressing your problems and see what feedback you'll get?

I drop the "race card" the same way people mention they're short or fat...bc it can be an obvious hindrance and absolutely factors into women finding you attractive. People want to pretend that all men have it equal and that dis/advantages don't exist for some reason. This is stupid and only exponentiates who the cookie-cutter, generic advice doesn't really help.

And lol I already know how the thread would go. I'd be called out for being too "lazy". Then I'd have a bunch of white guys racesplain to me about how "derp, race doesn't matter, even though I'm white and I literally wouldn't know bc virtually every ethnicity of woman prefers me", then a couple of anecdotal ethnics would chime in about how they or some random ethnic friend/cousin/brother/neighbor/lawyer/whatever they know slays all the time (that's supposed to somehow diminish all the numerous cases of ones who don't, apparently)

Then of course someone will have an anecdotal ugly, short, fat, poor associate/friend/relative/whatever they know who exclusively ploughs 11/10 Colombian scientist volleyball players, so that will somehow prove...something.

And everyone would just regurgitate the same feeble platitudes..."be confident", put yourself out there", "try harder", "it's a numbers game", "jOiN a SpOrTs leAgUe", "just get rich or good-looking", "stop blaming women"

Did I miss anything?

*Edit*
I didn't "give up"...I look for IOI's and choosing signals, and don't get them. I have approach anxiety and I'm introverted, if they don't seem interested, I literally can't be compelled to approach them.

Just because someone tells you that you need to be more charismatic in order to get women but does not tell you EXACTLY how to be charismatic (sit there with a half smile like you know more than she does, make strong eye contact, etc.) does not make it "chit advice." At least if that was your implication since your entire response was otherwise a deflection of what I said.

Here is the key - most of this stuff you learn out in the field cold-approaching. You don't truly learn it reading it here or reading it in some dating self-help book. You need to get out there and interact with women in social settings. If you do this enough, and assuming you aren't completely socially inept, you will learn how to turn women on both emotionally and physically.

Dude, telling someone to "be charismatic" is akin to telling someone to "be attractive". That's too broad and it doesn't really mean anything. Being charismatic is imo, a natural innate thing you either have or you don't. Someone can try to be charming...but having charisma is an entirely different ballgame and I don't see how interacting with women buffers that, unless you're routinely successful.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

That is not what prominent so-called blackpillers, like What Waffles are saying. They look at the face structure, the jawline, facial symmetry, how your nose looks (ie is it long and crooked, etc...) etc... they will place more emphasis on how your face looks rather than your height and being in shape. Then at that, you have to be socially competent even if are an 7 or 8 tier guy. If you have some psychological issue where you really can't talk to people then even that can be an issue.

I agree: Face! However, you can be somewhat socially incompetent & still do OK.

 

[MatureDJ]

It stinks to get ghosted after a drinks date not resulting in sex.

You weren't considered attractive enough. It's OVER for GhostedCels.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Why is it, that whenever people say things like this, I never see 5'6" as the bottom of the range? This tells me that once you're in 5'6" it may actually matter.

5’6”(or so) checking in.

 

[MatureDJ]

Dude, telling someone to "be charismatic" is akin to telling someone to "be attractive". That's too broad and it doesn't really mean anything. Being charismatic is imo, a natural innate thing you either have or you don't. Someone can try to be charming...but having charisma is an entirely different ballgame and I don't see how interacting with women buffers that, unless you're routinely successful.

I beg to differ. A man's height, frame, face, HAIR cannot be changed (although the latter can be helped by HairPlugOrRugMaxxing; OK, maybe the former too, but that would require expensive & painful LegLengthMaxxing that would leave the man looking awkward). A personality can ALWAYS be improved, although it takes a certain amount of intelligence to be able to do so.

 

[Gamisch]

Are you serious? The place is borderline reddit at times with all of its blatant trolling and gaslighting. I've literally never seen anyone here mention what they learned from another user. Not.one.time.



I drop the "race card" the same way people mention they're short or fat...bc it can be an obvious hindrance and absolutely factors into women finding you attractive. People want to pretend that all men have it equal and that dis/advantages don't exist for some reason. This is stupid and only exponentiates who the cookie-cutter, generic advice doesn't really help.

And lol I already know how the thread would go. I'd be called out for being too "lazy". Then I'd have a bunch of white guys racesplain to me about how "derp, race doesn't matter, even though I'm white and I literally wouldn't know bc virtually every ethnicity of woman prefers me", then a couple of anecdotal ethnics would chime in about how they or some random ethnic friend/cousin/brother/neighbor/lawyer/whatever they know slays all the time (that's supposed to somehow diminish all the numerous cases of ones who don't, apparently)

Then of course someone will have an anecdotal ugly, short, fat, poor associate/friend/relative/whatever they know who exclusively ploughs 11/10 Colombian scientist volleyball players, so that will somehow prove...something.

And everyone would just regurgitate the same feeble platitudes..."be confident", put yourself out there", "try harder", "it's a numbers game", "jOiN a SpOrTs leAgUe", "just get rich or good-looking", "stop blaming women"

Did I miss anything?

*Edit*
I didn't "give up"...I look for IOI's and choosing signals, and don't get them. I have approach anxiety and I'm introverted, if they don't seem interested, I literally can't be compelled to approach them.

Nope the men who worked hard to learn game AND improve their lives are reaping the benefits . The man who hits the gym everyday goes to the beach and finds a cute girl who wants to feel crushed by a man. That how life works.

Do you have examples of how race worked against you? Most of my white incel friends say I get p00n because I am black and bald. If they would not have those cursed blue eyes and blonde hair!!

I bet when you see a woman looking at you this voice in your head says.

"I already know what gonna happen. I'll talk to her and then she'll say; get out of my face you ugly black man!! Or she'll pretend to like me but wont give me her number. Or she give her number but won't respond. Or she'll respond but use me for a free meal. Or she'll be my gf but cheat. Or she is loyal but she'll break up".

Did I miss anything?

Oh, and tell me the winning lottery numbers, because you can predict the future it seems. Make the thread and watch what happens...

Edit:https://www.healthline.com/health/how-to-be-charismatic

I recently found this thing called "google". Nice tool!

 

[MatureDJ]

Do you bang fatties and lower value women? Contrary to what other posters believe, that it causes scarcity/limiting beliefs, I think it creates abundance mentality. I don't care if I strike out with a good looking woman, if it gets dry enough in the desert, I'll go lower value. There's always women to be had at that point.

Good, when it gets dry enough, you can wife up something like this:

 

[HaleyBaron]

Listen to the people here who get the laid? The ones here that just spew empty platitudes and project and don't actually give advice beyond "try harder lol"? The same people who just say "derp, race doesn't matter", "being an introvert doesn't matter", "just be confident" "LoOkS dOn'T mAtTeR", etc, when they're not the ones who have to operate with these barriers. You cannot give the same "advice" to everyone, yet that's literally what people try and do here.

Listen, kid, or whatever you consider yourself to be. I use to have no style, no confidence [other than in academics], and skinny as ****. As soon as I changed all three, I became a chick magnet. It was like watching magic happen. Suddenly women were after me. Some want to make me their bf when before no woman even thought of ****ing me. I am but one example among many. You got a lot to learn.

 

[thelambofdeth]

Do you bang fatties and lower value women? Contrary to what other posters believe, that it causes scarcity/limiting beliefs, I think it creates abundance mentality. I don't care if I strike out with a good looking woman, if it gets dry enough in the desert, I'll go lower value. There's always women to be had at that point.

Nope. I'm not fat or distractingly ugly, and i already have meager standards? so I'm not going to settle for some women I'm not attracted to.

Listen, kid, or whatever you consider yourself to be. I use to have no style, no confidence [other than in academics], and skinny as ****. As soon as I changed all three, I became a chick magnet. It was like watching magic happen. Suddenly women were after me. Some want to make me their bf when before no woman even thought of ****ing me. I am but one example among many. You got a lot to learn.

Good for you, but I have an abundance of style, fashion sense, grooming, I'm not skinny and I'm tall and I'm virtually invisible to women...not a chick manget, not even a chick vacumn cleaner on "low"...so clearly there's another factor at play here you're negating to mention. This is what I mean...people give anecdotal advice and mention things drastically changed for them, yet you note you've already done all that and somehow it's still your fault...

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Outside of some Basic, universal rules and principals. Men’s situations are so different that the carry-over is limited. It is hard to put oneself in the mindset or situation of another.

For example. When my friends & I go out. I know that what works for me won’t work for them (& they know it as well). But. Some of the basic principals may.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Toronto is one of the worst mating environments in North America. I would want no part of that area. While it is possible to succeed in Toronto, it's more difficult than average. To some extent, gripes about mating interactions in Toronto are legitimate.



Social skills are eroding. Millennials were the first generation to show a large scale erosion of social skills. This is likely to continue into Gen Z. There are 35-40 year old Millennials today who have had piss poor social skills for 20+ years.





It is problematic when there are posters who are 6'4" with big muscles who are getting treated like shiit by women. As for 6 pack abs, 6 feet tall +, and six figure income, the lower portion of six figure income does not buy a lifestyle anymore that impresses women in major metro areas. Annual incomes of $100,000-$149,999 are not enough for them. Women 30+ with college degrees taken it for granted that the 30+ man they are on a date with already earns $100,000+. No special treatment until at least $150K in my city and possibly $200K in New York, Chicago, or the California coastal cities.

It shows how important good social skills are and having social awareness and tact.

Without that, nothing else matters.. you'll come off as a weirdo or creep and no woman wants that...they literally run away from it

 

[thelambofdeth]

Nope the men who worked hard to learn game AND improve their lives are reaping the benefits . The man who hits the gym everyday goes to the beach and finds a cute girl who wants to feel crushed by a man. That how life works.

Do you have examples of how race worked against you? Most of my white incel friends say I get p00n because I am black and bald. If they would not have those cursed blue eyes and blonde hair!!

I bet when you see a woman looking at you this voice in your head says.

"I already know what gonna happen. I'll talk to her and then she'll say; get out of my face you ugly black man!! Or she'll pretend to like me but wont give me her number. Or she give her number but won't respond. Or she'll respond but use me for a free meal. Or she'll be my gf but cheat. Or she is loyal but she'll break up".

Did I miss anything?

Oh, and tell me the winning lottery numbers, because you can predict the future it seems. Make the thread and watch what happens...

Edit:https://www.healthline.com/health/how-to-be-charismatic

I recently found this thing called "google". Nice tool!

White incels are notorious for deflecting and shirking their privilege bc they're lazy. There are Asian, Indian, Middle-eastern and Latin women that would literally kill for an average white guy with blonde hair and blue eyes. It's the most coveted combination on the planet. Those incels being stupid and whinging doesn't somehow negate that.

Firstly, women don't look at me, second I don't think all women are some cartoon racist stereotypes. But common logic dictates the majority of women won't entertain me bc of my race. Ofc they're not going to call me ugly to me face...they already assume I'd be angry and violent as a response to them rejecting me, so they'd be polite while giving me their fake # lol.

There is literally nothing I'd hear in the thread I didn't already hear via osmosis by jusy posting here and you know it.

Holy chit a random "guide to being charismatic" you found via a Google search. I'm sure the answers to all my lack of charismatic woes is no doubt found in this definitively legitimate and not at all click bait "article"...