What the blackpill gets wrong. Hypergamy isnt as bad as we think.

[Zimbabwe]

Yes girls prefer the top 20% of guys

But so does every guy? even if we are subhuman?

The only reason they are allowed to only date top 20% is because most guys main dating strategy is tinder

Which in Aus is 15 guys to 1 girl

Of coruse theyre gonna have the choice and hundreds of matches and only swipe on the odd guy that they like

And the fact most girls can fraud with makeup to HTB etc...

If dating apps were equal gender ratio and girls werent frauding things would be a lot more equal

And even when girls can get a top 10% guy. most would happily settle for a lot less because they want a stable LTR. as long as they still feel some sort of attraction to the guy.

So the solution is

To fraud like how girls fraud with makeup. but with our looksmaxxing softmaxxing and hardmaxxing techniques

And dont use tinder.

 

[bat soup]

Yes girls prefer the top 20% of guys

But so does every guy? even if we are subhuman?

The only reason they are allowed to only date top 20% is because most guys main dating strategy is tinder

Which in Aus is 15 guys to 1 girl

Of coruse theyre gonna have the choice and hundreds of matches and only swipe on the odd guy that they like

And the fact most girls can fraud with makeup to HTB etc...

If dating apps were equal gender ratio and girls werent frauding things would be a lot more equal

And even when girls can get a top 10% guy. most would happily settle for a lot less because they want a stable LTR. as long as they still feel some sort of attraction to the guy.

So the solution is

To fraud like how girls fraud with makeup. but with our looksmaxxing softmaxxing and hardmaxxing techniques

And dont use tinder.

Tinder should publish their male: female ratios for each country. I bet you that in many countries its 100:1 or 1000:1. They're selling snake oil.

 

[Serenity]

The ratio isn't the issue. The issue has always been long before Tinder and still is that men are far more thirsty, far less selective and is way more willing to settle for less compared to women. Men are weaker for pvssy than women are for d!ck.

Women don't have to put much effort into dating apps because most guys, ranging from ugly to really good looking simp for women. Even many good looking guys have no fvcking self-respect and throw themselves at women for less than free. So it's no wonder dating apps are the way they are, women don't have to do much because guys of every type thirst for pvssy and will flood her with messages.

What the black pill gets wrong is about everything having to do with the true causes for the way things are. Black pill losers blame women, but it's men's damn fault for making the market the way it is and making it WAAAY too easy for women.

The only thing that would bring balance to dating apps and the dating market in general is men not simping anymore, to be way more discriminate about which women qualify.

 

[firstbornunicorn]

Yes girls prefer the top 20% of guys

It's not pareto. It's more like 5%, not 20%.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

The flaw of the black pill is that y’all live in some specific epic chamber to keep up the constant self defeating cope fuel rage instead of leaving your basement for a change.

 

[SW15]

The ratio isn't the issue. The issue has always been long before Tinder and still is that men are far more thirsty, far less selective and is way more willing to settle for less compared to women. Men are weaker for pvssy than women are for d!ck.

Women don't have to put much effort into dating apps because most guys, ranging from ugly to really good looking simp for women. Even many good looking guys have no fvcking self-respect and throw themselves at women for less than free. So it's no wonder dating apps are the way they are, women don't have to do much because guys of every type thirst for pvssy and will flood her with messages.

Ratios are a large part of the issue. Tinder is about 75% male & Hinge/Bumble are both about 65% male.

Men can elect not to use the swipe apps & I think that’s the right move. Even with the shiit ratios, men still have interest in using apps. It’s very difficult to cold approach during the day & generate prospects from it. Creating something from absolutely nothing in unconventional venues is not easy or a fun experience. Non-bar approaching has always been a niche activity, even in the era prior to dating apps & dating websites. The bar scene was also a pain in the 1980s-1990s even before dating websites & dating apps. Bars/nightclubs are still a pain today. And some bars are nearly as big of sausage fests as the apps.

 

[Serenity]

Ratios are a large part of the issue. Tinder is about 75% male & Hinge/Bumble are both about 65% male.

That's still not the root cause of the issue, it's still men being far too desperate. So much so that many women won't even bother with the apps because they'll get overrun by simps and other idiots. Fvck, I wouldn't want to use any of those apps if I was a woman.

 

[devilkingx2]

The only thing that would bring balance to dating apps and the dating market in general is men not simping anymore, to be way more discriminate about which women qualify.

A more realistic solution might be legalized/decriminalized prostitution crashing the value of sex.

If it's cheaper and easier to buy hookers than to go on dates, women will have a hard time getting their free dinners.

 

[Bigpapa]

A more realistic solution might be legalized/decriminalized prostitution crashing the value of sex.

If it's cheaper and easier to buy hookers than to go on dates, women will have a hard time getting their free dinners.

but why would a guy have the right to get laid ?

maybe sex is not for everyone

 

[SW15]

That's still not the root cause of the issue, it's still men being far too desperate. So much so that many women won't even bother with the apps because they'll get overrun by simps and other idiots. Fvck, I wouldn't want to use any of those apps if I was a woman.

The apps are a shiit show for both men and women.

For men, we’re dealing mainly with entitled & delusional women. Cocck carousel riders at times too. These women are huge risks for a flake job either during texting or after a first date. “One date, no sex, no second date” is the most common outcome for many men from swipe apps. Even on low cost dates, enough failed dates can add up.

For women, they are mainly dealing with some combination of simps, thirsty men, Dark Triad guys primarily looking for sex, and other assorted weirdos. Of those 4 categories, Dark Triad, top tier guys are the only attractive ones.

 

[devilkingx2]

but why would a guy have the right to get laid ?

maybe sex is not for everyone

That is the most feminist answer possible lol.

 

[Bigpapa]

That is the most feminist answer possible lol.

why ?

the point of mating is for the specie to get better , not for simps to get laid and make the specie to devolve

if you do not get laid it is mainly because of you

 

[Serenity]

A more realistic solution might be legalized/decriminalized prostitution crashing the value of sex.

If it's cheaper and easier to buy hookers than to go on dates, women will have a hard time getting their free dinners.

It's not a solution though, it doesn't solve the root of the problem, it's like giving drugs to drug addicts instead of finding a way for them not to NEED drugs.

The problem is men having no damn self-respect, letting men further degenerate into the cheapest of thrills will help absolutely nobody. Remember, women are perfectly happy refraining from sex, men fvcking prostitutes isn't going to make better quality women lower their standards of a better quality man.

They don't need men, they don't give a damn about free dinners, they only take advantage of it because gullible men are in a plentiful abundance. So if you think prostitutes being super cheap and legal will put any kind of pressure on other women, you will be sorely mistaken. That type of pressure won't work like it does the other way around.

Men are the desperate sex, female brains don't tick like that. You're creating a male solution assuming women will take it as men, but they won't because they're women, not men.

 

[Bigpapa]

I believe women do care about free dinners, otherwise they wouldn't exploit men like they do. The only solution is to get rid of the internet, and social media/dating sites. Since this is not going to happen, lower tier men are going to remain desperate due to the inflated delusion of modern women. Legalized prostitution will certainly have a positive effect, as guys that go that route will not be simps/orbiters for women any longer. Lowering the delusion of women.

they Exploit them because it is easy to do it

She is not asking you to wine and dine her , men do it on their own thinking that this will give them a better chance of sleeping with her

 

[bat soup]

The ratio isn't the issue. The issue has always been long before Tinder and still is that men are far more thirsty, far less selective and is way more willing to settle for less compared to women. Men are weaker for pvssy than women are for d!ck.

Women don't have to put much effort into dating apps because most guys, ranging from ugly to really good looking simp for women. Even many good looking guys have no fvcking self-respect and throw themselves at women for less than free. So it's no wonder dating apps are the way they are, women don't have to do much because guys of every type thirst for pvssy and will flood her with messages.

What the black pill gets wrong is about everything having to do with the true causes for the way things are. Black pill losers blame women, but it's men's damn fault for making the market the way it is and making it WAAAY too easy for women.

The only thing that would bring balance to dating apps and the dating market in general is men not simping anymore, to be way more discriminate about which women qualify.

Well, the ratios are like that for a reason. Men and women are different and it's a fact that women are way less interested in sex than men are.

 

[Serenity]

I believe women do care about free dinners, otherwise they wouldn't exploit men like they do.

They exploit it because it's easy to do, they don't care to the extent that they'll miss it if men in general suddenly grew a few more braincells, that's my point.

The only solution is to get rid of the internet, and social media/dating sites.

No, removing these utilities will not take the simp or of a boy, they'll only find other ways to simp. These guys predate modern technology, modern technology only makes more visible what has always existed.

Legalized prostitution will certainly have a positive effect, as guys that go that route will not be simps/orbiters for women any longer.

Are you hearing yourself? Maybe they won't be orbiting women without sex, instead they're bound to pay the lowest possible tier of women for a cold physical service. What the fvck are you talking about? It's pure nonsense. It's just swapping one woman centred addiction to another, the problem is the NEED.

Well, the ratios are like that for a reason. Men and women are different and it's a fact that women are way less interested in sex than men are.

Thank you, here's someone who gets it, this is exactly my point.

 

[bat soup]

They exploit it because it's easy to do, they don't care to the extent that they'll miss it if men in general suddenly grew a few more braincells, that's my point.


No, removing these utilities will not take the simp or of a boy, they'll only find other ways to simp. These guys predate modern technology, modern technology only makes more visible what has always existed.


Are you hearing yourself? Maybe they won't be orbiting women without sex, instead they're bound to pay the lowest possible tier of women for a cold physical service. What the fvck are you talking about? It's pure nonsense. It's just swapping one woman centred addiction to another, the problem is the NEED.


Thank you, here's someone who gets it, this is exactly my point.

The thing is, it's not really about being smart. Men are just as smart as women and in many ways (i.e. logic) they are often smarter. But they are different. They have different priorities in life and different hormones.

Men have a very strong drive to have sex. It's why we're here. It's why this forum exists.

Women don't have that drive. They could go their whole lives without having sex and not particularly care.

 

[bat soup]

For that person being a male, you'd think you wouldn't have to explain this..

Today's society teaches us to deny who we are and to pretend that this is not the case. We're supposed to believe that men and women are equal.
"Women like sex just as much as men do" they say.
Then you go on Tinder and the ratio is 1000:1

 

[SW15]

I believe women do care about free dinners, otherwise they wouldn't exploit men like they do. The only solution is to get rid of the internet, and social media/dating sites. Since this is not going to happen, lower tier men are going to remain desperate due to the inflated delusion of modern women. Legalized prostitution will certainly have a positive effect, as guys that go that route will not be simps/orbiters for women any longer. Lowering the delusion of women.

I think women enjoy receiving the free drinks and dinners. It's pusssy privilege. Women get to have a career and make their money yet not have to pay any early stage dating fees because of some outdated norm. Additionally, "who asks, pays" favors them too. Men ask because men have a stronger sex drive.

Some women will claim that the free drink(s) or dinner isn't worth it if they have a bad time on the date. I can see their point on that. I've been to events where I got a free meal and nothing else out of it. I considered some of those events wasted time. Women do have to go through the effort of putting on makeup, getting dressed, etc.

If a man elects not to pay on a first date, he runs the risk of a woman classifying him as cheap. She might choose not to see him again because hordes of thirsty men will be glad to pay for a first date. When a man does pay on a first date, he runs the risk of a "one date, no sex, no second date" interaction in which he gets soaked for a freebie with nothing in return.

 

[derby1]

A more realistic solution might be legalized/decriminalized prostitution crashing the value of sex.

its legal in the UK, and has done nothing to the solipsism of women