The woman should come out and tell us when they want sex

[dude99]

It would make a lot more sense (for both parties) if the woman would come out and tell us when they want sex. I can explain.

A lot of guys are reluctant to propose sex too soon (as we don't want to potentially scare her away). We're forced to read her clues of whether she wants sex.

Here's the problem, however: Guys aren't mind readers. I have no doubt there have been many cases where a woman wants sex from a guy, but ends up not getting sex from him (because he isn't 100% sure whether he should propose sex).

The solution? The woman should propose sex. Hardly any men will say no. The woman ends up getting the romp she wants. The guy isn't forced to rely on reading clues. Win-win for both parties.

You're trying to get women to use logic when they arent wired that way. This will not work.

Your looking at it from the wrong direction.

You need to Take the lead. Women know you will want sex. That is a given. You the lead. They follow. You pursue sex when YOU want sex. Not if/when/maybe she might hope she let's me know...... NO.

You take the lead pursue sex, if she is Interested in you, you will have sex. If her Interest level is low you will not. Her reaction to you taking the lead will yell you EVERYTHING you need to know.

Waiting for her to tell you and have her take the lead will get you friend zoned as she will stop seeing you ad a date able option.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Instead of ‘civies’. let’s just call them ‘women’. This is like calling normal people’cis-‘.

 

[GoodMan32]

Exactly. That explains why your "social issues" could be hurting your chances with civvies. If you were really an 8.5 then these issues would be forgiven and overlooked and women would be more assertive/aggressive towards you, especially if they are below a 6 (which it doesn't sound like you would mind anyway given your choices with escorts). Therefore, the feedback you had in 2012, while sincere, could have been an outlier. To get more accurate photo results, I normally recommend photofeeler and pay the nominal fee where you'll get a substantial number of votes (ie including the outliers) and get a more honest assessment of your looks rating. I would predict you should get at least a 7 on there, but I would encourage for you to try it out.

I signed up for PhotoFeeler. I uploaded four photos. For a $9 fee, I was able to buy 40 votes.

The results are in (and are sobering). The average ranking on the photos ranges from 3.5 to 4.8

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Lol gynosexual, it’s going on my OLD profile, probably will get some matches from chicks that want to argue the label.

 

[GoodMan32]

How about stopping with wishing for convenience and embracing reality instead?

My idea would be more convenient for both parties (the man and the woman).

If the woman will never go for my idea, however, I guess I have no choice but to embrace reality.

 

[corrector]

I signed up for PhotoFeeler. I uploaded four photos. For a $9 fee, I was able to buy 40 votes.

The results are in (and are sobering). The average ranking on the photos ranges from 3.5 to 4.8

I got 3/10, but had more upwards variation if I put up a nicer shot with a bike helmet and lake in the background. You did slightly better than me but neither of us made the cut (but then again you are more looksmaxxed then I am as I have the crazy weight, which puts your looks at more of a ceiling for improvement).

What was the highest outlier? When it comes down to it people are not honest about your looks and leave it to you to find the truth.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Unfortunately, even if you pay that type of rating is biased. The truth is humans as a group are jealous, conniving fcks. They’re literally crabs in a bucket.

People are small minded and frankly most of them say to themselves “why should I give him a higher rating, when I did t get one?”

Back in 2014 when I was first on Tinder and this was more acceptable I had some pics of me at the beach and I was jacked as fk, I was KILLING IT on Tinder with ONS’s - like a kid in a candy store.

I would get women that would match with me just to try to grief me, like vile shyte. It happened with astonishing regularity.

I got 3/10, but had more upwards variation if I put up a nicer shot with a bike helmet and lake in the background. You did slightly better than me but neither of us made the cut (but then again you are more looksmaxxed then I am as I have the crazy weight, which puts your looks at more of a ceiling for improvement).

What was the highest outlier? When it comes down to it people are not honest about your looks and leave it to you to find the truth.

 

[GoodMan32]

I got 3/10, but had more upwards variation if I put up a nicer shot with a bike helmet and lake in the background. You did slightly better than me but neither of us made the cut (but then again you are more looksmaxxed then I am as I have the crazy weight, which puts your looks at more of a ceiling for improvement).

What was the highest outlier? When it comes down to it people are not honest about your looks and leave it to you to find the truth.

I don't see a way to check the highest score we got; all it shows me is the average for each picture.

In a welcome email I got from PhotoFeeler, it essentially says "Our website isn't meant to tell you how attractive you are. It's meant to tell you how good your picture is."

Makes me doubt the validity of the ratings.

 

[GoodMan32]

No, it wouldn't be more convenient for the woman, just for men.

On a prior post, I explained how it would be more convenient even for the woman.

When a woman feels an emotional connection with a guy, she should do everything she can to try to bed him. Sex is easy for a woman to obtain. Sex with a guy she feels an emotional connection with; not so much.

An emotional connection is important to a woman.

There have probably been women who felt an emotional connection with me, wanted sex with me, yet the sex never happened (because she never gave me enough clues to make a move). Exhibit A of why the woman should be more direct.

 

[GoodMan32]

Unfortunately, even if you pay that type of rating is biased. The truth is humans as a group are jealous, conniving fcks. They’re literally crabs in a bucket.

People are small minded and frankly most of them say to themselves “why should I give him a higher rating, when I did t get one?”

Back in 2014 when I was first on Tinder and this was more acceptable I had some pics of me at the beach and I was jacked as fk, I was KILLING IT on Tinder with ONS’s - like a kid in a candy store.

I would get women that would match with me just to try to grief me, like vile shyte. It happened with astonishing regularity.

I just found a website where they use AI to judge your looks. I uploaded many pictures. The results range from the fives to the sevens. Sounds more realistic than the threes and fours I got when ranked by humans on that site corrector recommended.

 

[BeExcellent]

A few years ago BigNeil posted my avatar on Photofeeler. It got over 100 votes and came back a “9”. I think I’m an 8 but I’ve had men swoon over me for years.

I don’t know what the voter make up is, probably higher % men than women but who knows. I think the AI site is more accurate for @GoodMan32.

He’s trim, has facial symmetry, a good nose & eyes. He’s not going grace the cover of Men’s Health but he’s certainly above average looking.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I just found a website where they use AI to judge your looks. I uploaded many pictures. The results range from the fives to the sevens. Sounds more realistic than the threes and fours I got when ranked by humans on that site corrector recommended.

Looks like you are within the average range, in either case. At that range, you will have to do the work. Women won't. And that's fine. The vast majority of men are in the average range.

 

[GoodMan32]

Looks like you are within the average range, in either case. At that range, you will have to do the work. Women won't. And that's fine. The vast majority of men are in the average range.

If we go with the high estimate (sevens) from the AI website, that makes me better-looking than 70-something percent of men.

I know that's not the same as being a 9 or 10. Are you really saying no woman will do the work for a guy who looks better than 70-something percent of men though?

 

[corrector]

I just found a website where they use AI to judge your looks. I uploaded many pictures. The results range from the fives to the sevens. Sounds more realistic than the threes and fours I got when ranked by humans on that site corrector recommended.

What is the link? I would like to try it myself.

However its mainly women ranking you on the other site. The same types who would left swipe your profile on Tinder.

Just the other day I saw a familiar girl on her smartphone and the frenzied way she left swipped allot of profiles was a spectical to see. A modern woman are brazen and dont care if people are seeing them using a dating app.

Photofeeler will spare your ego from going through the Tinder meatgrinder. AI is not reflecting what these women think any more then if guys were judging the looks. With photoreeler you can filter for only women votes.

 

[GoodMan32]

What is the link? I would like to try it myself.

However its mainly women ranking you on the other site. The same types who would left swipe your profile on Tinder.

Just the other day I saw a familiar girl on her smartphone and the frenzied way she left swipped allot of profiles was a spectical to see. A modern woman are brazen and dont care if people are seeing them using a dating app.

Photofeeler will spare your ego from going through the Tinder meatgrinder. AI is not reflecting what these women think any more then if guys were judging the looks. With photoreeler you can filter for only women votes.

Here's the link to the site where AI judges your looks: https://photo-ranker.com/

As for PhotoFeeler, I set it up so that only the ladies could rate me.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

If we go with the high estimate (sevens) from the AI website, that makes me better-looking than 70-something percent of men.

I know that's not the same as being a 9 or 10. Are you really saying no woman will do the work for a guy who looks better than 70-something percent of men though?

Well. Your ratings seem to have been from the 3+ to 7. So. It's ambiguous.
Ultimately, if you are good looking enough for women to put in much of an effort, you'll already know.

 

[corrector]

Well. Your ratings seem to have been from the 3+ to 7. So. It's ambiguous.
Ultimately, if you are good looking enough for women to put in much of an effort, you'll already know.

Yeah, in which case they will let you know they want it, or make it so obvious you would have to be blind to miss it. A chad tier by definition cant make a thread like this. Its more normie tier experience.

 

[GoodMan32]

Yeah, in which case they will let you know they want it, or make it so obvious you would have to be blind to miss it. A chad tier by definition cant make a thread like this. Its more normie tier experience.

Earlier in the thread, you were saying something isn't adding up (of how a guy who claims to be an 8.5 is having the struggles I'm having, and has even paid a woman in her 60s for sex).

After finding out yesterday that I'm not really an 8 and a half, it all makes sense.

 

[GoodMan32]

Even though I'm straight, there's this guy I have a total man crush on. He played college/NFL. I put a picture of him through the AI looks judger. His score is in the sevens.

It just so happens I know someone who went to the same school as him. According to my source, this guy had no trouble getting girls.

The point being: For a guy in his sevens to be such a chick magnet, I guess he needs something big going for him (like being a popular football player)

 

[corrector]

Here's the link to the site where AI judges your looks: https://photo-ranker.com/

As for PhotoFeeler, I set it up so that only the ladies could rate me.

I just tried it and the face rating on it would put me in a normie tier range (5.96 - 6.86). This is not showing the rest of my body. Still over 40% bf so there is no looksmaxxing, if I were to gymmaxx and looksmatch to 24% body fat then it would be a good idea to try the face test again.

Do not see an option on AI to have a woman's only imput so its likely a judgment coming from women might lower that score further. But I do not relate to the extreme sub-5 experiences that I have heard of on the grapevine (but maybe I am too sheltered), so a low - mid tier normie might be more accurate.