The woman should come out and tell us when they want sex

[GoodMan32]

He said women are interested in him and I've said before he's more MGTOWing escorts than escortcelling. If he's MGTOW then he has arrived at a cost-benefit analysis and has determined that it makes more sense to visit escorts than to "court' women. He does not want to "court" women, he just wants to sleep with them.

In fact, he DMed me and shared a conquest where he was upfront with a lady in an elevator and then slept with her and hinted at it here on this thread. There is no question on my mind that he's able to get women who are interested in him.

I guess what I'm driving at is it's not realistic in this day and age to assume any type of woman is some sort of "safe base" if you have a particular issue. You may not get with the type of woman you think, but maybe a better or different one. If OP wants a "safe base", then yeah, escorts are like a "safe base" because you know it's guaranteed. If he grows out of just wanting "safe bases" and guaranteed sex, then it's better he courts women than deal with escorts. Of course nothing will be guaranteed, but just because its not guaranteed doesn't mean it will never happen eventually.

Women have showed interest in me before, yeah. Not nearly as often as they'd show interest in a guy with my looks who isn't on the spectrum, however.

As for the DM story you allude to, I know which story you're talking about (and for privacy reasons, I'm glad you're respectful enough to leave the potentially-identifying details out). One thing I should mention for anyone reading, however: It's not as simple as "Met her in an elevator. Propositioned her. Banged her."

This was a woman I ran into on a regular basis (and flirted with her off and on during a 2 year window before she finally banged me)

 

[corrector]

Women have showed interest in me before, yeah. Not nearly as often as they'd show interest in a guy with my looks who isn't on the spectrum, however.

As for the DM story you allude to, I know which story you're talking about (and for privacy reasons, I'm glad you're respectful enough to leave the potentially-identifying details out). One thing I should mention for anyone reading, however: It's not as simple as "Met her in an elevator. Propositioned her. Banged her."

This was a woman I ran into on a regular basis (and flirted with her off and on during a 2 year window before she finally banged me)

Fair enough. Some story details were intentionally fictionalized to protect privacy but you disclosed the truth here.

 

[GoodMan32]

Fair enough. Some story details were intentionally fictionalized to protect privacy but you disclosed the truth here.

Yeah. I'm fine with the public knowing I flirted with her over a 2 year window before finally getting a romp. The rest of the details, I prefer to keep private (so again, I appreciate you)

 

[GoodMan32]

That's good feedback. If Riddler is rated a 7.5 or 8 from @BeExcellent, but the baby face would make him off-putting, and @Hamurabimbi would rate him a 6, then I guess the average of both rounds it to about a solid 7, or more or less the same scale as @SW15 such as a mid/upper-tier normie depending on the vibe and how he is presenting himself. That is not a chad-lite and being on a spectrum would hurt Riddler's chances, if Riddler was hypothetically on the spectrum. Someone like Riddler would need some game to seal the deal.

So if I understand correctly (now that I know you think I resemble the Riddler), the general consensus we've come to is: While ratings vary (one party might think a guy is hot; another party might think he's so-so), a more realistic median for me is 7 (not the 8.5 I was told when I was 20)?

 

[corrector]

So if I understand correctly (now that I know you think I resemble the Riddler), the general consensus we've come to is: While ratings vary (one party might think a guy is hot; another party might think he's so-so), a more realistic median for me is 7 (not the 8.5 I was told when I was 20)?

Exactly. That explains why your "social issues" could be hurting your chances with civvies. If you were really an 8.5 then these issues would be forgiven and overlooked and women would be more assertive/aggressive towards you, especially if they are below a 6 (which it doesn't sound like you would mind anyway given your choices with escorts). Therefore, the feedback you had in 2012, while sincere, could have been an outlier. To get more accurate photo results, I normally recommend photofeeler and pay the nominal fee where you'll get a substantial number of votes (ie including the outliers) and get a more honest assessment of your looks rating. I would predict you should get at least a 7 on there, but I would encourage for you to try it out.

 

[GoodMan32]

Exactly. That explains why your "social issues" could be hurting your chances with civvies. If you were really an 8.5 then these issues would be forgiven and overlooked and women would be more assertive/aggressive towards you, especially if they are below a 6 (which it doesn't sound like you would mind anyway given your choices with escorts). Therefore, the feedback you had in 2012, while sincere, could have been an outlier. To get more accurate photo results, I normally recommend photofeeler and pay the nominal fee where you'll get a substantial number of votes (ie including the outliers) and get a more honest assessment of your looks rating. I would predict you should get at least a 7 on there, but I would encourage for you to try it out.

Yeah, the 8 and a half I got when I was 20 could have been an outlier. Could have been because I hadn't shown as many of the aging signs I currently show. Or a number of possibilities.

One thing I should point out: Even when I was 20, I only got laid through the help of the internet (all my lays at 20 were civvies, however). This makes me doubt whether I was really an 8 and a half when I was 20.

The only 2 civvie lays I got without the help of the internet happened when I was 23/24 (right around the time of my birthday; I forget if I had officially turned 24 yet) and then when I was 29.

I like your idea to try an internet ranking service (even if I have to pay a slight fee)

 

[GoodMan32]

Exactly. That explains why your "social issues" could be hurting your chances with civvies. If you were really an 8.5 then these issues would be forgiven and overlooked and women would be more assertive/aggressive towards you, especially if they are below a 6 (which it doesn't sound like you would mind anyway given your choices with escorts). Therefore, the feedback you had in 2012, while sincere, could have been an outlier. To get more accurate photo results, I normally recommend photofeeler and pay the nominal fee where you'll get a substantial number of votes (ie including the outliers) and get a more honest assessment of your looks rating. I would predict you should get at least a 7 on there, but I would encourage for you to try it out.

One more thing I should mention: It wouldn't bother me one bit if they were below a 6.

 

[dude99]

It would make a lot more sense (for both parties) if the woman would come out and tell us when they want sex. I can explain.

A lot of guys are reluctant to propose sex too soon (as we don't want to potentially scare her away). We're forced to read her clues of whether she wants sex.

Here's the problem, however: Guys aren't mind readers. I have no doubt there have been many cases where a woman wants sex from a guy, but ends up not getting sex from him (because he isn't 100% sure whether he should propose sex).

The solution? The woman should propose sex. Hardly any men will say no. The woman ends up getting the romp she wants. The guy isn't forced to rely on reading clues. Win-win for both parties.

You're trying to get women to use logic when they arent wired that way. This will not work.

Your looking at it from the wrong direction.

You need to Take the lead. Women know you will want sex. That is a given. You the lead. They follow. You pursue sex when YOU want sex. Not if/when/maybe she might hope she let's me know...... NO.

You take the lead pursue sex, if she is Interested in you, you will have sex. If her Interest level is low you will not. Her reaction to you taking the lead will yell you EVERYTHING you need to know.

Waiting for her to tell you and have her take the lead will get you friend zoned as she will stop seeing you ad a date able option.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Instead of ‘civies’. let’s just call them ‘women’. This is like calling normal people’cis-‘.

 

[GoodMan32]

Exactly. That explains why your "social issues" could be hurting your chances with civvies. If you were really an 8.5 then these issues would be forgiven and overlooked and women would be more assertive/aggressive towards you, especially if they are below a 6 (which it doesn't sound like you would mind anyway given your choices with escorts). Therefore, the feedback you had in 2012, while sincere, could have been an outlier. To get more accurate photo results, I normally recommend photofeeler and pay the nominal fee where you'll get a substantial number of votes (ie including the outliers) and get a more honest assessment of your looks rating. I would predict you should get at least a 7 on there, but I would encourage for you to try it out.

I signed up for PhotoFeeler. I uploaded four photos. For a $9 fee, I was able to buy 40 votes.

The results are in (and are sobering). The average ranking on the photos ranges from 3.5 to 4.8

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Lol gynosexual, it’s going on my OLD profile, probably will get some matches from chicks that want to argue the label.

 

[GoodMan32]

How about stopping with wishing for convenience and embracing reality instead?

My idea would be more convenient for both parties (the man and the woman).

If the woman will never go for my idea, however, I guess I have no choice but to embrace reality.

 

[corrector]

I signed up for PhotoFeeler. I uploaded four photos. For a $9 fee, I was able to buy 40 votes.

The results are in (and are sobering). The average ranking on the photos ranges from 3.5 to 4.8

I got 3/10, but had more upwards variation if I put up a nicer shot with a bike helmet and lake in the background. You did slightly better than me but neither of us made the cut (but then again you are more looksmaxxed then I am as I have the crazy weight, which puts your looks at more of a ceiling for improvement).

What was the highest outlier? When it comes down to it people are not honest about your looks and leave it to you to find the truth.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Unfortunately, even if you pay that type of rating is biased. The truth is humans as a group are jealous, conniving fcks. They’re literally crabs in a bucket.

People are small minded and frankly most of them say to themselves “why should I give him a higher rating, when I did t get one?”

Back in 2014 when I was first on Tinder and this was more acceptable I had some pics of me at the beach and I was jacked as fk, I was KILLING IT on Tinder with ONS’s - like a kid in a candy store.

I would get women that would match with me just to try to grief me, like vile shyte. It happened with astonishing regularity.

I got 3/10, but had more upwards variation if I put up a nicer shot with a bike helmet and lake in the background. You did slightly better than me but neither of us made the cut (but then again you are more looksmaxxed then I am as I have the crazy weight, which puts your looks at more of a ceiling for improvement).

What was the highest outlier? When it comes down to it people are not honest about your looks and leave it to you to find the truth.

 

[GoodMan32]

I got 3/10, but had more upwards variation if I put up a nicer shot with a bike helmet and lake in the background. You did slightly better than me but neither of us made the cut (but then again you are more looksmaxxed then I am as I have the crazy weight, which puts your looks at more of a ceiling for improvement).

What was the highest outlier? When it comes down to it people are not honest about your looks and leave it to you to find the truth.

I don't see a way to check the highest score we got; all it shows me is the average for each picture.

In a welcome email I got from PhotoFeeler, it essentially says "Our website isn't meant to tell you how attractive you are. It's meant to tell you how good your picture is."

Makes me doubt the validity of the ratings.

 

[GoodMan32]

No, it wouldn't be more convenient for the woman, just for men.

On a prior post, I explained how it would be more convenient even for the woman.

When a woman feels an emotional connection with a guy, she should do everything she can to try to bed him. Sex is easy for a woman to obtain. Sex with a guy she feels an emotional connection with; not so much.

An emotional connection is important to a woman.

There have probably been women who felt an emotional connection with me, wanted sex with me, yet the sex never happened (because she never gave me enough clues to make a move). Exhibit A of why the woman should be more direct.

 

[GoodMan32]

Unfortunately, even if you pay that type of rating is biased. The truth is humans as a group are jealous, conniving fcks. They’re literally crabs in a bucket.

People are small minded and frankly most of them say to themselves “why should I give him a higher rating, when I did t get one?”

Back in 2014 when I was first on Tinder and this was more acceptable I had some pics of me at the beach and I was jacked as fk, I was KILLING IT on Tinder with ONS’s - like a kid in a candy store.

I would get women that would match with me just to try to grief me, like vile shyte. It happened with astonishing regularity.

I just found a website where they use AI to judge your looks. I uploaded many pictures. The results range from the fives to the sevens. Sounds more realistic than the threes and fours I got when ranked by humans on that site corrector recommended.

 

[BeExcellent]

A few years ago BigNeil posted my avatar on Photofeeler. It got over 100 votes and came back a “9”. I think I’m an 8 but I’ve had men swoon over me for years.

I don’t know what the voter make up is, probably higher % men than women but who knows. I think the AI site is more accurate for @GoodMan32.

He’s trim, has facial symmetry, a good nose & eyes. He’s not going grace the cover of Men’s Health but he’s certainly above average looking.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I just found a website where they use AI to judge your looks. I uploaded many pictures. The results range from the fives to the sevens. Sounds more realistic than the threes and fours I got when ranked by humans on that site corrector recommended.

Looks like you are within the average range, in either case. At that range, you will have to do the work. Women won't. And that's fine. The vast majority of men are in the average range.

 

[GoodMan32]

Looks like you are within the average range, in either case. At that range, you will have to do the work. Women won't. And that's fine. The vast majority of men are in the average range.

If we go with the high estimate (sevens) from the AI website, that makes me better-looking than 70-something percent of men.

I know that's not the same as being a 9 or 10. Are you really saying no woman will do the work for a guy who looks better than 70-something percent of men though?