The whole "women lose value at 30" thing doesn't work anymore now that people are aging slower.

[SW15]

The other issue is that she’s not going to bond to you very well. She’s bonded to her kid and has a, presumably, traumatic past that led her to be a single mother. It’s all just a sh1t sandwich and it only makes sense to really really thirsty guys as a viable option. I mean, you drink your own pee if you’re thirsty enough, so I see how men drop their standards to sh1t if they are scarce.

Due to an oversupply of males in the United States and globally, a lot of men are ending up with single mothers because that's their only choice. It's not problematic from my point of view when single dads end up committing to single moms. The blending family situation stinks but that's not the biggest problem. The biggest problem occurs when childless men end up committing to single moms and they don't have a child with that single mom.

Solution: Don't discuss how many partners you've had or haven't had?

That's the best solution and the one I tend to use.

Exactly. Children is the only reason I would commit to a woman. They are too much of a headache for you to commit for any other reason. Caretaker is a second reason but if you have enough money you can buy one of those.

It is expensive to pay for to have a caregiver take care of you, even for less than a week after a minor surgery. Assisted living facilities and skilled nursing facilities are also quite pricy.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Women with children are an extreme liability. Men do not want to pay for another man’s kid. In the animal kingdom most male mammals simply kill the other offspring before procreation.

We still see reminiscensces of that anytime we read on the news about the current mom's boyfriends beating the kid from her previous relationship...often times with her acceptance.

 

[Focal core]

Exactly. Children is the only reason I would commit to a woman. They are too much of a headache for you to commit for any other reason. Caretaker is a second reason but if you have enough money you can buy one of those.

At where i stay if i'm about to die i get a government hospice Centre to spend my last days on. believe me effinisme has affected globally due to social media and render them useless to a man. our generation will be laughable in next 50 years when people has woke and went back to their gender role. its a sad time , our time.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Would you rather take a hot 35 year old woman that's kept herself in shape or a 20 year old overweight Gen Z with tats living at her parents?

Your question really doesn’t make any sense in context. Of course I would easily take the thirty five year old. I’m simply stating my observation that the wall certainly does exist and it starts to show physically in their late twenties.

 

[Atom Smasher]

These women do look exceptional for there age, the problem is the average run-down looking 55 y/o thinking that "this could be them".

I’ve hit the lottery in that my wife (who is 64) is unbelievably naturally well-preserved. People usually guess her to be in her thirties (I know…humble brag). But this is clearly an exception. I find that for the vast majority of older women, they either let themselves go and live in a fantasy world that they’re “hot”, or they try to artificially enhance themselves with caked-on makeup, Botox, age-inappropriate clothing, etc. They have no idea that they look disgusting to men, but they thrive on their fellow women pumping them up with “You go girl”, “You’re badass”, etc.
On a side note, I can’t stand this “badass” phrase women are always throwing around. What on God’s green earth makes you “badass”? LOL
Insanity has truly become the new norm, mostly in women but men are increasingly following suit as they become more feminized.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Your question really doesn’t make any sense in context. Of course I would easily take the thirty five year old. I’m simply stating my observation that the wall certainly does exist and it starts to show physically in their late twenties.

It's because "The Wall" is just a butthurt response to a girl taking advantage of her youth and beauty responsibility. I hate to burst some bubbles, but as long as a woman maintains a healthy physique and doesn't have any kids out of wedlock, she will be fine marketable wise til age 35sh. Plenty of older successful men will take a hot 30-38 year old woman over some 18-22 year old girl any day.

 

[MatureDJ]

By "sloppy seconds" as a woman, I was referring to a man being rejected by the woman he truly loves and values, and choosing another less valued option = sloppy seconds.

"sloppy seconds" means being a subsequent man in line to lay poon; the fact that the first man had widened her love canal means that it is now "sloppy". Ironically, the scooping shape of the peniis means the last man to insert his seed in a gang bang has the best chance at reproduction.

 

[MatureDJ]

The biggest problem occurs when childless men end up committing to single moms and they don't have a child with that single mom.

This is the ultimate in self-cucking.

 

[MatureDJ]

A 30 year old virgin is a Greek Myth lol. A more realistic scenario is this: Rank these Partnership wise

A). You have an attractive 32 year old woman that put her career first, stayed in great shape, and is now looking to settle
B). A 24 year old single mom that's attractive, doesn't have a lucrative job
C). A 25 year old nurse that's overweight, aggressively displays Toxic Hot Girl Summer behavior, constantly posting drinking on snapchat
D). A 24 year old skinny Average overall looking girl that's an accountant

Now all of these women have something negative that brings them down, but obviously high body fat/toxic behaviors and having a kid out of wedlock are going to have a heavier toll on a woman's marking.

My ranking would be D -- A -- C -- B/. I think having a kid is the biggest wall a woman can hit then it's weight gain then it's age. Put an older woman and single mom, same looks ranking wise and I'm going to choose the older woman all day without question. Now I think the overweight girl will beat the older woman if she was older than 36sh for sure.

I'd rank it D-A-B-C. Nothing is as bad as a fat chick.

 

[DreamAgain]

This thread is a joke. Of course they lose value, and men do as well.

The main difference is women hit a hard wall with their biological clock, where as men hit a soft wall.

For just general hooking up/casual relationships, it can equally be as precipitous of a drop for men or women depending on their lifestyle choices.

 

[DreamAgain]

Men's testosterone levels drop, energy levels drop, things start getting saggy just as much.

The main point is, you do not want to wife an older woman (ideally speaking) because of the mileage she has accumulated and the lack of pair bonding capability.

 

[DreamAgain]

Without fail, many of the older women I have been around (in the 30's range) are much more bitter, much more "procedural" I guess I would put it, and lack the natural coquettishness that makes being around young women so much fun.

Mature is not an attractive attribute for women, they are best when they are playful, joyful, energetic, etc.

Men fit the serious, stoic mold much more naturally, and better. Men and women's personalities need to have contrast in order to match most harmoniously.

Making a girl smile, laugh builds a guys ego like no other. It reveals her beauty in its purest form.

 

[SW15]

The main point is, you do not want to wife an older woman (ideally speaking) because of the mileage she has accumulated and the lack of pair bonding capability.

The maximum you can get from this is extended girlfriend without a commitment & kids. Self-preservation.

Without fail, many of the older women I have been around (in the 30's range) are much more bitter, much more "procedural" I guess I would put it, and lack the natural coquettishness that makes being around young women so much fun.

Making a girl smile, laugh builds a guys ego like no other. It reveals her beauty in its purest form.

It is common feedback about the “procedural” nature of dating women 30+.

 

[HaleyBaron]

This thread is a joke. Of course they lose value, and men do as well.

The main difference is women hit a hard wall with their biological clock, where as men hit a soft wall.

For just general hooking up/casual relationships, it can equally be as precipitous of a drop for men or women depending on their lifestyle choices.

A 75 year old woman mostly gets men her own age.

A 75 year old man can still get a 18 year old [less in other countries]. There is no wall for men except for those who gave up.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Don't forget the biological wall too is dead set in stone..
A women which cannot give birth to children is a used "asset" (In lack of better words); so a such is useless to all men and the society as a whole. This is even one reason more why older women hate their younger "sisters" as they do "know" at some unconscious/conscious level that they have been spent and are desperate to still look young..

That wall cannot be moved no matter what people think or "feel" it should be otherwise. It just is there; unmovable and solid.

100%

 

[Atom Smasher]

It is said that men grow more “distinguished” as they age, and I observe that this is true for a large proportion of men, especially men who take care of themselves.
Facial lines, weathering, etc. are often considered very masculine and attractive. That’s why the same in women disgusts us.
It’s amazing how short the shelf-life of women really is.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Can't you just make it clear that you refuse to help raise the kid?

That's what I did and she didn't give a ****.

No, you can’t. See because if down the line you decide to marry and/or procreate with a single mother the non-biological child becomes your financial responsibility. You cannot only support your own biological child; they are now siblings in the same household. I don’t know why so many guys don’t think this shvt through.

Step daddy = human sacrifice

 

[Murk]

What is off-putting is not so much any sort of physical deterioration as much as mental. At 30, the regret begins to set in and she has likely gone through a fair number of men by then. All the bitterness and jadedness from failed relationships and c*ck-carousel riding emerges to the surface.

I've felt this too, but I can't verbalise or quantify it. Apart from the desperate need to rush the relationship, the lack of enthusiasm/energy/sparkle. What else are the signs? Anyone?

 

[SW15]

I have known men that committed to single moms & eventually had their own babies with that single mom. What are people’s thoughts on that here? It’s still quasi cuck behavior to me.

 

[DreamAgain]

I have known men that committed to single moms & eventually had their own babies with that single mom. What are people’s thoughts on that here? It’s still quasi cuck behavior to me.

Just desperation and lack of better options.