The whole "women lose value at 30" thing doesn't work anymore now that people are aging slower.

[Bokanovsky]

would you rather have a 35 year old woman that’s fit and takes care of herself or a 22 year old woman that’s fat, hobbies consist of bar hopping and clubbing, tats, and is a single mom.

is the wall undefeated now?

Would you rather take a 35 year old woman who's fit and takes care of herself or a 22 year old woman who's fit and takes care of herself?

Yes, the wall is undefeated.

 

[Bokanovsky]

So if I've got this straight, men place a high value on fertility (for obvious reasons), but then once a woman becomes pregnant and has a kid (due to her fertility) suddenly she loses value and has hit the wall?

I hope someone can answer cuz I'm really shaking my head at that one.

Super confusing.

Why is this super confusing? A meal has value while it's sitting on a plate. After it's been digested and pooped out...not so much. I'm yet to see someone go to a restaurant and order a steak from the toilet.

A woman with a kid automatically loses value to any man who is not the father of that child. That's why you are supposed to choose wisely. Please tell me this is not news??

 

[darksprezzatura]

Plenty of women in their early 20s not taking care of themselves. Plenty of women in their 30s looking fit af.

Psychologically it’s a different thing.

 

[Barrister]

There is not necessarily a one-size fits all when it comes to "The Wall." Women get to it at different speeds. I have known some women who actually look better in their 30s (on account of taking better care of themselves) than they did in their 20s.

Rollo actually has a very on-point chapter regarding SMV of men vs. women in Rational Male. Most women gain a lot of weight and begin showing the bad side of age by 35. SMV plummets by the time they are 32. Some women, not many, can hold this off into their 40s. There is an incredibly small amount of women who I would still consider attractive in their 50s. But they are very, VERY rare.

Men on the other hand will continue to gain SMV well into their 30s (even early 40s) assuming they take care of themselves physically and have some social proof. They will continue to gain SMV until 45 or so -- but it doesn't bomb after that point but has a slow decline over the next 20 years.

So yes - the Wall comes for us all. But it comes much sooner for women who effectively hold almost zero power in the dating world past age 35 (except for men much older than them).

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Would you rather take a 35 year old woman who's fit and takes care of herself or a 22 year old woman who's fit and takes care of herself?

Yes, the wall is undefeated.

depends on my age tbh but I think the younger girl wins universally. The point I made is that there are much worse things a woman can do to herself than simply get older.

 

[Gamisch]

I've felt this too, but I can't verbalise or quantify it. Apart from the desperate need to rush the relationship, the lack of enthusiasm/energy/sparkle. What else are the signs? Anyone?

Its almost like women first refuse the best offers , but than when they get older they have to pick a worse option for a higher price.

At 25 its hard to comprehend Life will happen after 30. Controlling bodyweight becomes harder, Chad really doesn't wanna commit anymore, and all the mental issues won't disappear but getting worse. Like you say , the sparkle disappears or feels like forced behavior now. Happened to me couple times recently , I got ultimatums to commit and knew I had to walk away. Funny thing is my recent ex also gave me this ultimatum. I budged, went blue pill and from that moment the whole dynamic shifted and the relationship was doomed. Love can be ungrateful sometimes..

Mileage doesn't help neither.

I have known men that committed to single moms & eventually had their own babies with that single mom. What are people’s thoughts on that here? It’s still quasi cuck behavior to me.

Tbh it's the best option for most men like that. At least you have a legit reason to commit now her first kid(s) and yours are siblings.

If that's not the case its pure cuck behaviour. Some will say a "real man" doesn't care, but that's pure female propaganda combined with male thirst.

 

[Veréngárda]

No, you can’t. See because if down the line you decide to marry and/or procreate with a single mother the non-biological child becomes your financial responsibility. You cannot only support your own biological child; they are now siblings in the same household. I don’t know why so many guys don’t think this shvt through.

Step daddy = human sacrifice

Okay so you in particular have two fevers to kill.
Baby AND Marriage.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Okay so you in particular have two fevers to kill.
Baby AND Marriage.

Childless men have no business with baby mommas and single mothers.

 

[eli77]

You also gotta realize lighting, make up , hairstyle ect literally make her look old fashioned.

The wall is true while it's a lie. It's true because it's a fact most women lose their looks around 35, and she will have to compete with women who are younger and more attractive .

It's a lie because the wall is a RP cope to assure men get a form of " payback" while in reality a 50 y.o women with below average looks can easily find a 30 y.o man way above her SMV. There is always a man who wants free pvssy and is willing ti lower his standards .

At 25 you should aim for women 18-23. By the time you are 30 or should be 23-28 . After 35 or something you'll understand the sentiment behind the wall.

Love your post i'm a huge fan of being 18 to 25 and dating older women then dating school girl in high school.

 

[Veréngárda]

Childless men have no business with baby mommas and single mothers.

They can.
Keep it going, idiot.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

I have known men that committed to single moms & eventually had their own babies with that single mom. What are people’s thoughts on that here? It’s still quasi cuck behavior to me.

My retarded big brother did that... Sigh. Still cannot get my head around that one.
He got 2 kids of his own with her. They are still together so far. My dad forced him to make a prenup with her so that is always something tho I suppose..

 

[EyeBRollin]

They can.
Keep it going, idiot.

It is a stupid decision.

 

[Veréngárda]

It is a stupid decision.

Sounds like you're just mentally incapable of making your desires clear.

Either that or you're saying this to appeal to other men so you can get some **** in your ass.

 

[Slowhandluke]

I shouldn't have to preface this with proving that people are aging slower now.

Go touch some grass? Look at old photos of people and then look up the ages involved like a grown adult?

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^^^ 1958. She was 32 when this picture was taken. Thirty.. ****ing.. two.

You showed me this and asked me how old I thought she was, I'd tell you early 50s.

There are some smoking 30-40 year old women out there. I'm saying this at 25 btw.

So this idea has zero reason to continue. Unless of course by "value" you mean "number of eggs left."

First of all, I don't even know if that notion is true.

Second of all, even if it was.. yep, having the passion in your relationship diminish early because you decided to raise ****-trophies. I can't POSSIBLY think of anything more appealing.

Maybe work on killing your baby-fever before you so much as utter another word ever.

It's called makeup. Back in the day, only prostitutes and slvts used makeup. I think it was in the 1960 it became acceptable for average women to trick men into thinking they were younger using makeup.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Sounds like you're just mentally incapable of making your desires clear.

Irrelevant.

Childless men don’t have to simp for baby mommas and single mothers.

 

[Veréngárda]

Irrelevant.

Childless men don’t have to simp for baby mommas and single mothers.

Right. In the same way that men don't HAVE to simp over any woman. Still happens, and when it does, self-respect is vital.

 

[VirtuousD]

A 75 year old woman mostly gets men her own age.

A 75 year old man can still get a 18 year old [less in other countries]. There is no wall for men except for those who gave up.

Define "get" ?