The *No Contact* Challenge! ( Read this if you just got dumped)

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She has texted me twice these last two days after three months NC. I have ignored both of them and will ignore further ones too. I think ignoring them like this makes their hamster spin and they worry that maybe I am not so readily available as she thought. I think she thought she'd send a text and I'd jump on it, and I haven't. I've moved on from her, little does she know.
I think saying nothing actually says everything.
 

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@Carpathian

Yes! Your silence will send a stronger message than ANYTHING you could say to her. Let her see that you are a man of value, a man who is not willing to compromise your standards for anyone. She had a good thing, and let it go, most likely to find her next victim. This is her attempt to see if she still has control over you. Laugh at her. In fact you should have nothing but pity for her. When you see her it should be the way in which Warren Buffet looks at a beggar in the streets. She is so far below you that she cannot even see your smile of amusement from above.
 

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Day 30

We all have problems. No one is unique in this. Last night I had to deal with some very distressing news in relation to my family about a predicament that has been worsening for some time, does not seem to have an easy solution nor seems to be moving towards a happy ending. I don't want to derail the purpose of this thread. Neither do I wish to indulge the darkness by writing about it accept to say that it is causing me immense sorrow. So how does it relate to the journey we are all on together in this thread?

My ex was my primary confidant in these times. She was the one who would encourage me and act as a rock in these moments of despair. For that one reason I missed her immensely last night, but did not feel tempted to reach out. Not having her around left me lost. I woke up this morning with the feeling that everything was dead.

But I did not indulge the beast. I let myself feel the nothingness and sense of loss for 5 minutes. Then I forced myself to get up, take a shower. No appetite to speak of, but again I forced myself to eat breakfast, almost having to hold back the gagging reflex. then I read through some NC posts and watched a few funny videos on YouTube before heading out to work.

It HAS to be mind over body. The only other option is death of the spirit. If I allow myself to be consumed by the darkness it will destroy me. I have seen people thrown into the pits of depression never to fully return. I must acknowledge that I allowed her to be my principal source of happiness because of the emptiness in my own life caused by the distorted motivations I had set for myself.

"Day 30" should be perceived as a milestone and day of celebration and in that vein I look to the light. I will learn to accept the beauty in a new sense of purpose. I will find inner peace.
 

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@Carpathian

Yes! Your silence will send a stronger message than ANYTHING you could say to her. Let her see that you are a man of value, a man who is not willing to compromise your standards for anyone. She had a good thing, and let it go, most likely to find her next victim. This is her attempt to see if she still has control over you. Laugh at her. In fact you should have nothing but pity for her. When you see her it should be the way in which Warren Buffet looks at a beggar in the streets. She is so far below you that she cannot even see your smile of amusement from above.
You know I agree with you, pity is the correct word; I am stable and can love another - she clearly cannot. I will not be subjected to another cycle of that nonsense, even more so now that I have met someone else. What is it about these crazy exes though? We discussed it yesterday. I am really in a good place at the moment and I am very happy but they somehow have a magnet attached to us, inexorably trying to exert influence. We are well-read and intelligent men here and we know better but emotions and attraction towards a woman - even though we know they are not good for us - are a very powerful combination.

"But I did not indulge the beast."
Very wise words.
 
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Day 16 - No Contact
Day 3 - No social media snooping

Saw this week that she was "FB Official" with a new dude - a grand total of two months after we broke up (oh, and I took her on a nice vacation).

Rebound? Don't care.
Overlap? Don't care.
GIGS? Don't care.
Falling apart because she misses me so bad? Don't care.
Will she get back in touch down the road? Still care...but not caring gives me something to work for.

If she is going to kill a strong relationship with me just so she can be "FB official" with a doofus (seriously, dude's a beta ****), she's immature, insecure and maybe even a liar. Guess she got exhausted dating a man, so wanted to date a boy.

9.5/10 people would tell her she's being a fool. The 0.5/10 don't know me.

I've not been myself these past few months, but at least I've kept my **** together online and in front of others. She's making a spectacle of herself, and broadcasting to the world that she's a silly little flake. I ain't got time for that ****.

NOTE TO NOOBS - Don't make my mistakes. Don't contact. Don't social snoop. Block all her social profiles. You'll eventually feel so much better. Anytime you think about snooping or contacting her, ask yourself - Would The Rock do this? The answer is "No." And every woman wants The Rock.
 
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Decided that once I reach Day 60 I am going to take an extended leave from sosuave and also any article, sites,etc that discuss women or BPDs, except to update my "Life" thread, which I may actually just work on offline.

My reason being is that although it's great to talk about break up "feelings" and read up on BPD threads since it aids understanding of yourself and the dynamics of the relationship you were in, it is basically indirectly continuing to fixate on someone who no longer gives a crap about you. Seriously. These chicks are long over us. It just doesn't seem right to continue to (indirectly) allow them to be a focus in any capacity. Just my opinion of course.
 
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She has texted me twice these last two days after three months NC. I have ignored both of them and will ignore further ones too. I think ignoring them like this makes their hamster spin and they worry that maybe I am not so readily available as she thought. I think she thought she'd send a text and I'd jump on it, and I haven't. I've moved on from her, little does she know.
I think saying nothing actually says everything.
That's right. Don't budge an inch.
 

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Day 42. Still suprised she messaged me last Saturday after exactly a month since I ignored her last message,funny she even changed her profile picture to a seductive picture of just her and not her and the new sucker when she did it, kinda bummed about that possibly being able to hate **** her that night, oh well I'm sure she just needed something or wanted to win having the last word since I have pretty good. Still bummed but even Through all the loneliness I know I can never have a relationship with her again nor do I want to,I'm sure her new r/s is starting to lose its spark, wish I could still turn off feelings like i used to, oh well I'm opening back up to dating not as crazy girls.
 

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Another update,just got a message from her saying "who is this? Random number in my phone?" Lol I've had the same number the whole 2 years we were together,she knows I'm not that dumb,from the sounds of it she probably said it to make it look like she doesn't even remember me anymore,especially since I've ignored her.
 

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Never seen your knees buckle like this Asmodeus - never even knew you were in a NC scenario. Listen man, you're an elite poster around here and are usually one of those lifting others up, not one of those needing to be carried. You are entitled to a day like this once in a while and I encourage you to embrace it, not to supress it. Do not feel the need to brush it off after like it was fake. What you felt was real.

I really can't stand the "life coach" approach that life is all wine and roses. We all are alone at times. Facing it intoxicated hurts like hell. Facing it sober is sometimes worse because the pain is so real. You'll bury your face in your hands and feel pain, regret, and confusion pulse through your veins. This is normal. Life is not one long vacation. I believe the vast majority of people spend most of their lives navigating and plowing through a light-moderate depression. Of course if this becomes perpetual, seek help, but I'm not worried about this with you.

Read my posts from 2013. They were a pathetic display of helplessness from the demon who sent me here. Hell, read my posts from just this June (a mere 2 months ago.) They are objectively less pathetic but as it was post-red pill but I was still pining for her big time on my bday. A few days later I trashed some furniture in my house but guess what, I'm better now than I was then and really don't feel the need to talk about her or ask questions anymore.

Go easy on yourself big fella. You are a beast.
You are giving sympathy to the devil here... She is not the pathological ex of this story, I am. I have no animosity to her and no reason to have any. But any fears and anger she has of me would be valid and rational. She tried very hard, she cared and I just tore at her. Sometimes I even enjoyed doing it. Your exes have nothing on me...

I am not contacting my ex not for me but for her. I am impermeable if I wish to be. But she is not. She deserves a chance to be happy. This is my one selfless act I can do for her, out of respect. I just got bit wrapped up in my head. Between meeting another self aware case which was like seeing a mirror of myself, helping person who was a victim of a sociopathic relationship on the other forums, and finding the poems my ex wrote to me. All that made me desire to contact her, I do not even know why anymore... But I know that is not the most rational choice.

There is some component of love which is absent in cluster B personality disorders, a missing piece. There is nothing for this, there is no filling that absence, though we try. That is why I tell you all that your BPD exes can never be fixed. They are like a machine missing a part, you can try to fix them but they will never be complete. The problem is when people with Cluster B are self aware, they begin to realize this (very few reach this kind of awareness)... It is very frustrating... Most regress when faced with this or deny it... I just get frustrated...
 

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Day 30

We all have problems. No one is unique in this. Last night I had to deal with some very distressing news in relation to my family about a predicament that has been worsening for some time, does not seem to have an easy solution nor seems to be moving towards a happy ending. I don't want to derail the purpose of this thread. Neither do I wish to indulge the darkness by writing about it accept to say that it is causing me immense sorrow. So how does it relate to the journey we are all on together in this thread?

My ex was my primary confidant in these times. She was the one who would encourage me and act as a rock in these moments of despair. For that one reason I missed her immensely last night, but did not feel tempted to reach out. Not having her around left me lost. I woke up this morning with the feeling that everything was dead.

But I did not indulge the beast. I let myself feel the nothingness and sense of loss for 5 minutes. Then I forced myself to get up, take a shower. No appetite to speak of, but again I forced myself to eat breakfast, almost having to hold back the gagging reflex. then I read through some NC posts and watched a few funny videos on YouTube before heading out to work.

It HAS to be mind over body. The only other option is death of the spirit. If I allow myself to be consumed by the darkness it will destroy me. I have seen people thrown into the pits of depression never to fully return. I must acknowledge that I allowed her to be my principal source of happiness because of the emptiness in my own life caused by the distorted motivations I had set for myself.

"Day 30" should be perceived as a milestone and day of celebration and in that vein I look to the light. I will learn to accept the beauty in a new sense of purpose. I will find inner peace.
Courage my friend...
 

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Day 31

Over yesterday's hump. Feeling good today. Got a busy weekend ahead in terms of sorting out side business related activities. No plans for a night out. I need to recharge my batteries from Italy.

My father saw his first dead body at 10 years old. My Uncle spent half a decade in a cell for slicing another man's arm off with a machete. I saw that same Uncle when I was about 12, in the morgue with half his head blown off from a gun at close range. The same blood runs through me. As if I'm going to come anywhere close to crumbling because of some chick! This is nothing.
 
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You are giving sympathy to the devil here... She is not the pathological ex of this story, I am. I have no animosity to her and no reason to have any. But any fears and anger she has of me would be valid and rational. She tried very hard, she cared and I just tore at her. Sometimes I even enjoyed doing it. Your exes have nothing on me...

I am not contacting my ex not for me but for her. I am impermeable if I wish to be. But she is not. She deserves a chance to be happy. This is my one selfless act I can do for her, out of respect. I just got bit wrapped up in my head. Between meeting another self aware case which was like seeing a mirror of myself, helping person who was a victim of a sociopathic relationship on the other forums, and finding the poems my ex wrote to me. All that made me desire to contact her, I do not even know why anymore... But I know that is not the most rational choice.

There is some component of love which is absent in cluster B personality disorders, a missing piece. There is nothing for this, there is no filling that absence, though we try. That is why I tell you all that your BPD exes can never be fixed. They are like a machine missing a part, you can try to fix them but they will never be complete. The problem is when people with Cluster B are self aware, they begin to realize this (very few reach this kind of awareness)... It is very frustrating... Most regress when faced with this or deny it... I just get frustrated...
Interesting. So see, you're not a totally heartless monster. I've thought about getting a tattoo on my arm of the grim reaper on one knee crying, so as to show very few things are pure good or pure evil in life.

In that case, it's a bit refreshing that every once in a while even the demon's knees buckle. Unproductive as it is I've often wondered if she ever gotten drunk and cried over a pillow for me any night in the last year.
 

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Interesting. So see, you're not a totally heartless monster. I've thought about getting a tattoo on my arm of the grim reaper on one knee crying, so as to show very few things are pure good or pure evil in life.

In that case, it's a bit refreshing that every once in a while even the demon's knees buckle. Unproductive as it is I've often wondered if she ever gotten drunk and cried over a pillow for me any night in the last year.
Bro BPDs are not devoid of emotion. They just love and hate with the utmost intensity from what I understand. Someone described BPDs as the feminine in its purest form. Impulsive and a complete slave to their emotional state. I can agree with that.

@Asmodeus One thing mentioned about BPDs is their splitting mechanism (e.g. they either adore you or you're nothing to them) however I haven't really noticed this dynamic with you and your ex based on your posts. If she was "painted black" by you then shouldn't we be seeing more posts by yourself in complete disdain of her?
 

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@Asmodeus One thing mentioned about BPDs is their splitting mechanism (e.g. they either adore you or you're nothing to them) however I haven't really noticed this dynamic with you and your ex based on your posts. If she was "painted black" by you then shouldn't we be seeing more posts by yourself in complete disdain of her?[/QUOTE]
Nobody is devoid of emotion. BPD show a grand range of emotions. No single category of psychiatric illness is devoid of emotions. They just differ in tempo.

I am not quite like the BPD cases, similar in many ways but a bit different... ASPD is so similar, but yet different. I do split things, but not in the same exact way... I split weak and strong and have a disdain for what I would perceive as weakness in people. I had disdain for my ex for what I saw as hers. In fact, once she said she loved me... I grabbed her hair, pulled it (I am incredibly strong so she is lucky it all did not rip straight out of her scalp). Told her she was delusional... Told her, her emotions weakened her and turned her into a little *****. Told her that she was not special, told her to never feel she was special again. Because she said she loved me, and because I felt that she was weak for saying it... I hurt her because she loved... I think I was trying to tell her something, to prove to her how bad her own emotions were causing her to suffer. The only way I thought I could prove it was to show it, a display.
People like me always have to think, consider, be aware of ourselves. Think of every action done and think about it not in our own mind, try to reassess things we do and think. Same with BPD... Cluster B are not evil, just out of touch with reality in the way you understand it. They are victims of their condition every bit as much as those affected by their actions.
I never quite idealized her. I cannot describe it, but I was able to remove her humanity from her. To see her as less than something human. That is a kind of devaluation. To see her as an object. An object can be owned. But it was not always such, sometimes I did care for her sometimes I did not... But I do not know why and why not. It is hard to explain I am not sure what my mindset was and still is, it is kind of scrambled and even if I understood it I do not think I could have it make sense to those without the capacity to comprehend it and see it as I do. It is complex.
I may have had disdain for her in some ways, perhaps still the weakness I see in her. But I reached an awareness that few do. I understand myself. Also keep in mind, I am perhaps the most high functioning that I can possibly attain for my kind of diagnosis. To sum it up... I cannot change the way I feel, but I can change the way I behave.

very few things are pure good or pure evil in life.
Good and evil... Absurd concepts. The US claims justice in WW2 but if Hitler had won he would have claimed justice and called his actions good. Good and evil are only seen through personal views and opinions. We all rationalize and alter our beliefs based upon our own perception of reality. You have to reason, think logically, look at things objectively and be more aware of the world around you. There have been serial killers like Jim Jones who thought what they did was good and truly believed it (heck ISIS believes what they do is good).

In that case, it's a bit refreshing that every once in a while even the demon's knees buckle. Unproductive as it is I've often wondered if she ever gotten drunk and cried over a pillow for me any night in the last year.
Maybe, or maybe she is so caught in her delusion and completely unaware of herself. If she is aware, if she understands herself as being BPD and looks at her actions as such then maybe she would see what she did to you as something she caused. I can fully understand why one would choose to ignore what they understand of themselves. It is so much easier to believe the lies we tell ourselves and our own fabrication of reality than to truly look past it all. It would be so much easier to blame you instead of understand the truth. I have tried to show the reality to Cluster B cases before, I have reasoned with them. But many do not want to believe, they know and understand it but they REFUSE to believe it. It is a defense mechanism. It is very hard to explain this... It is not normal thinking... I have been trying to tell this to psych professionals for a LONG time.
 
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I'm deluding myself into thinking I can have that "final talk" with her, where I force her to have flashbacks over the past 2 years and how we grew together. Some teary hug. Get her to break down and turn the tables.

Half of the delusion is that that I will convince her to get back into therapy and she will eventually act like she did when we first met.

Half of the delusion is just having sex with her and saying I own her one last time for the road.

The reality is:

- She craved constant abuse to relive her terrible childhood. She only found violation/abuse sexually arousing. That turned our relationship into more of a guilty addiction than an actual family atmosphere. I do not want this woman to parent my children, I do not want to wake up on Christmas morning 10 years from now and find the mother of my children self-harming or threatening to cheat on me, until I have unenjoyable/traumatizing sex with her. That is not my future.

- She is mentally different. She does not feel the same emotions as me. The word "love" to her means fear/respect. When I lost her fear/respect, she left. I need to draw this line.

- Nothing I did ever made her happy. If I acted like myself she ignored me until I was "sweet". As soon as I became "sweet" she used her power to devalue me and threaten to leave. All she got from the relationship was a sense of control, while totally ignoring my male needs. I was a lab rat. The goal of everything was to get me to lash out and abuse her so she could get off.

- She lied her ass off when we first met, and kept lying throughout the relationship. We may have been best friends and lovers simultaneously, but I still barely know her. The mask was always on. Chasing her is barely different from starting from scratch with someone else.

- Much of my fear/anxiety is that everyone is like her. That all extremely attractive women are mentally ill and abusive, that I have to choose between a fat ugly slob wife who gave up on themselves or a hot mentally ill mistress. Whether this is true or not, it shouldn't matter. I need to focus on ME, and maximize MY position, not lay in bed lamenting the state of the female gender. I can't invent new human beings. What's there is there. If I want to do something about it, get into genetic engineering.

- I'm far too involved with her to be part of any therapeutic process anymore. I mentioned therapy to her. That's all I can do. Dragging it on makes her LESS likely to go because she's contrary.

- Sex, even if it's me dominating her for revenge, would just result in even more attachment. Being attached to someone with untreated BPD is a slow suicide. Even if she got treatment it would be 5+ years before I had any happiness in my life, and there would be relapses, lack of trust. That's like voluntarily walking into a prison cell with Bubba and flushing the key down the toilet, but hoping he would eventually turn into

Stop. Contacting. Her. She is just like other women. She is an immature child with developed reproductive organs hanging off of her and not capable of male logic. That isn't sexism, it's biological reality. With the addition of BPD, I can't treat her like the woman she is. She wants to fight, she wants war and control, yet she wants me to be a dominant man. This is impossible.

- The very act of being friends with her would ruin my new "alpha" life because I can't unsee what she did to me in the past. This one empowers me the most. Even wanting to get back together with a woman who mistreated me that much completely cancels out the value of any "victory" over her, because it means I'm still dependent. The day we got back together is the day I'd sacrifice my own dignity once again through unconditional "forgiveness". I can never want her again.
 
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Day 32

Woke up to a blow job from my second conquest since my return from Italy 4 days ago.

Could have been more but cancelled a date I had on Friday because I didn't see the girl as anything beyond a one night stand. I need to be ruthless in my character standards now. I don't think I will actively seek to bang anyone who I wouldn't go on a second date with.

Have a date tonight with a cutie. Black chick, which I don't normally go for, despite being black myself. But she is attractive so I said "hey why not let's expand those horizons". She seems keen and I have parred her off a few times so no doubt she will be happy she finally got me out. She is just following me along to my Salsa class and we will see what happens from there.

Got another random text from an Italiana chick. Apparently we have a date planned on Monday. I completely forgot. It's getting hard to keep track of these chicks. Phew..it's going to be a busy few months.
 
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Day 33

Go fvck ten other women and see how unique and special your snowflake really is.

Gave myself a month to get centered and then went on a rampage. Now on 2/10 with several dates this week. No need to stretch myself or pursue women to the detriment of everything else in life so aiming for one fresh lay a week on average.

If I haven't banged a new chick by the end of each week I am going to see an escort instead. More than willing to develop an emotional connection with the right girl (accept the hoovers of course) since this is what it truly takes to realise all those unique experiences you shared that made her seem so special were really just bonding chemicals in your brain that can be reproduced with the next "special" one.
 

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Morning was a bit rough as I was thinking about the ex last night. Hit the gym as soon as I woke up and was fine after. Overall I am having one of my best days ever since the break up in terms of how I feel about myself and the world around me. We are here. Right now. Everything is an opportunity.

Everyday I am seeing more and more how fortunate I am. I have so much to be thankful for. I'm also realising that hitting the gym fairly often and seeking the path of self improvement almost immediately after the breakup has been instrumental in my recovery. If it weren't for that and my two weeks in Italy I don't think I'd be anywhere near as centred.

Saw my ex again today. It was an odd moment. Was taking the bins out and she walked straight past the gate. It took me a second or two to register who it was. She looked at me. I looked at her and then she walked past. No words spoken. I just went back to what I was doing. A ghost from the past. Shook me a bit but quickly went for a walk in the sun and reframed it in my mind. The reality is, she has nothing else going for her other than her looks and her ability to make men believe she is in love with them. I am so much better than her, when you strip away the facade. Everything that has happened up to this day is nothing more than an introduction in the story that will be my life after this point. She is nothing but a footnote on page 28. And I know for a fact that in years to come when I am smiling down at the mother of my children I will be forever glad I maintained my self respect and refused to chase a toxic woman who would have meant none of this could have happened.

I'm going to make sure I lift heavy five or six days a week with a cardio based rest day until at least day 60 to keep up the positive flow of endorphins, dopamine and testosterone. Got off from work early as the deal I'm working on doesn't kick off until tomorrow afternoon meetings. Spent the last few hours tidying my apartment and adding a few more things to turn it into the bachelor pad it deserves to be. Have a date tonight with a HB7 and another one on Wednesday evening with a HB8 who loves the gym, (which I can confirm from the pics I've seen!). Have a few other chicks interested so I may slot in a Friday night or Sunday evening date. Saturday is a no go since a few lads from my hometown are meeting up with the group of our friends who live in this city and we have a night of utter debauchery planned. This breakup is the best thing that ever happened to me. What a time to be alive!
 
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I'm on day 64 NC with my goal being that sideways 8 number thingy.... To infinity and beyond!!!
 
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