The Importance of Money in Men's SMV

[Jumbo Gumbo]

Cmon man, having a mansion is not going to repel ladies. But truthfully I do not have a mansion or fame and never really did.

Look at women’s totally lavish dating profiles. When women have all international vacationing photos and no photos of them locally, they’re looking for a guy who will fund their travels. Or when their photos show lavish expensive lifestyles. Or they are trying to hold on to their more youthful years of when rich men would take them on fancy trips around the globe before discarding them.

When a slim woman posts extravagant photos online displaying wealth and even in real life if they dress in luxurious fashions and attitudes. These babes are already fully aware of what types of men are found in their cities.

My biggest complaint with online dating are the international traveling weirdos. None of their photos say they are even in my city. They are generally on vacation 8,000 miles away.

 

[hellonwheels]

Women care about money. The difference is in how you make it that can turn her on. If you're a 9-5 guy, that's not sexy. If you're a hustler, that's sexy. That's why when Trump walks into a room, everyone reacts whether positively or negatively. Money works for him, not the other way around. Every girl from every walk of life loves the guy who isn't dependent on money to walk the world. He pursues what he wants and money happens to land into his hands one way or another. That is what decides your SMV. Most men cannot exhibit this behavior because it goes deeper than just being able to fake it.

This is spot on in that status is most important. People acting like money isn’t attractive to high quality women are off on that assessment.

Now if money is all you offer and it’s a boring career/lifestyle, then yeah, that’s mainly gonna get you a sugar baby that only sees you for that.

 

[p_1337]

To attract hot, young girls In 2024: looks and status trump money.

These types seem to prefer a guy with social media clout (celebrity / quasi-celebrity status) and/or is 6 ft+ with a ripped gym-bro physique -- versus the semi-unremarkable dude who makes 150-300k per year (even if it's coupled with other favorable attributes: great career, nice car, his own place, etc.)

The only way I could see money touching looks and status, is if you're clearly in the top echelon of earners (making roughly 400-500k per year or more, and have the commensurate lifestyle to match).

From what I've experienced, the only kinds of girls who seem to value men with money/stability are: those looking for a serious relationship (they're also generally 25+ years old) or sugar babies.

 

[TheGambino]

Women care about money. The difference is in how you make it that can turn her on. If you're a 9-5 guy, that's not sexy. If you're a hustler, that's sexy. That's why when Trump walks into a room, everyone reacts whether positively or negatively. Money works for him, not the other way around. Every girl from every walk of life loves the guy who isn't dependent on money to walk the world. He pursues what he wants and money happens to land into his hands one way or another. That is what decides your SMV. Most men cannot exhibit this behavior because it goes deeper than just being able to fake it.

Thaaats me.

 

[BaronOfHair]

To attract hot, young girls In 2024: looks and status trump money.

These types seem to prefer a guy with social media clout (celebrity / quasi-celebrity status) and/or is 6 ft+ with a ripped gym-bro physique -- versus the semi-unremarkable dude who makes 150-300k per year (even if it's coupled with other favorable attributes: great career, nice car, his own place, etc.)

The only way I could see money touching looks and status, is if you're clearly in the top echelon of earners (making roughly 400-500k per year or more, and have the commensurate lifestyle to match).

From what I've experienced, the only kinds of girls who seem to value men with money/stability are: those looking for a serious relationship (they're also generally 25+ years old) or sugar babies.

As we've mentioned elsewhere https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threa...-taught-you-so-far.282214/page-4#post-3122390 , a man can use cash to enhance his looks, in ways which are mostly nonsurgical. Another way to think of all this:

In 1996, Botswana's vice-president said of The Kahalri Bushmen: "How can you have a Stone Age creature continue to exist in the age of computers? If the Bushmen want to survive, they must change or otherwise like the dodo, they will perish." https://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/14/world/botswana-is-pressing-bushmen-to-leave-reserve.html

Men in Post-Industrial nations who are on the bottom rungs of the socioecomic ladder might as well be Stone Age creatures, in an era where private space travel and transhumanism

will soon be fixtures of daily life. Like The Bushmen, they also have to adapt or fade away.


Just as Botswana has been "coaxing" The Bushmen out of their primitive ways and into the larger society, the most we can do for men like this in The West is abolish most forms of state aid in favor of directing those who are ready to help themselves into steady work + provide vocational training so they can continue to move up the food chain

 

[Vanderdonck]

My take - you can do it without money, but it helps a lot. Forget her for a moment. If you know you can afford a great apartment with good logistics, a nice car or to pay for a taxi whenever you want, or to take her on a boat, get a nice table at a bar etc. etc. you will simply be more relaxed. When $100 feels like $1 you're not going to GAF if you burned some cash on a chick. It'll reflect in your game. However you'll be more stressed about potential gold diggers and hood rats.

That said I currently am making peanuts and attracting women like never before.

 

[Salvation]

Forgot one thing, with money you can buy plastic surgeries - which really helps getting laid if one can improve stuff there. But to afford surgery (eg classic hair transplant costs eg just 10k in total) you just have to be average top 50% wealth (i guess one would like to have 50k to afford a 10k hair transplant, and when you have 50k in US then you are already in the top 50% of wealth).

Regarding spending money on women (i guess you don't have to, you can also just have money and don't spend it on women but i guess if you go the 'i impress with money' route it's typical) - you can compare it to prostitute-prices.
Eg spending 200eur to bring a woman on some event vs 100eur for ****ing an escort (western europe prices, i know US prices suck)
Prostitutes have a serious disadvantage of doing it for the money instead out of Lust, i guess same problem with women who are impressed by your money? (think it's not the same, but perhaps a little)

 

[SW15]

From what I've experienced, the only kinds of girls who seem to value men with money/stability are: those looking for a serious relationship (they're also generally 25+ years old)

I think it is worth mentioning this type of woman and this occurrence in the market.

In terms of conventional dating, there are women seeking serious relationships. I agree that they are typically 25+. In modern times, the 18-24 group isn't typically getting longevity out of their interactions. There are 18-24s who do have longer term relationships. They don't tend to last more than a couple of years. For those that attend a college/university, most college formed relationships will end within 3 years of graduation, which is around age 25.

There are many 25-32 year old women who live in bigger cities in the USA. In thinking about this group, the ones that are using swipe apps are often riding the penis carousel. It's debatable how serious these women actually are about finding longer term relationships.

In real life lately, these 25-32 year old big city women don't seem to be encouraging men to approach them in real life. At gyms, they are usually wearing headphones/earbuds to discourage approaches and give off an anti-social vibe. At parks and on urban walking paths, they are also using headphones/earbuds. There are some that attend fitness classes at bougie type fitness studios like SoulCycle. The ones who attend these types of fitness classes do not seem to be particularly social after classes.

While I do think the 25-32 year old big city women might be seeking a long term relationship, her behaviors are rather lukewarm at best in terms of what she's doing to do find that.

It's worth mentioning that these 25-32 year old women today are late Millennials/early Gen Z. They were all raised after 1960s-1980s era feminism. They were raised with the idea that they'd be working, independent women. Working, independent women tend to make enough money to support themselves. They might not make spectacular wages, but they won't be homeless. Additionally, in corporate layoffs, companies tend to prefer to lay off males first before laying off women. These women aren't necessarily seeking men with decent incomes (mid-tier but not spectacular males). A man making something like $75,000 - $125,000 isn't that impressive. While it is above average, it's not that much better than what she could do on her own. If she's a woman who values money and stability, she's seeking more of an outlier level man on the annual salary and net worth metrics.

 

[RickTheToad]

Women care about money. The difference is in how you make it that can turn her on. If you're a 9-5 guy, that's not sexy. If you're a hustler, that's sexy. That's why when Trump walks into a room, everyone reacts whether positively or negatively. Money works for him, not the other way around. Every girl from every walk of life loves the guy who isn't dependent on money to walk the world. He pursues what he wants and money happens to land into his hands one way or another. That is what decides your SMV. Most men cannot exhibit this behavior because it goes deeper than just being able to fake it.

Pretty sure it's because he's a former president, presidential candidate and a NYC business socialite before that. He's also 6'2'', so he's pretty hard to miss.

 

[hellonwheels]

To attract hot, young girls In 2024: looks and status trump money.

These types seem to prefer a guy with social media clout (celebrity / quasi-celebrity status) and/or is 6 ft+ with a ripped gym-bro physique -- versus the semi-unremarkable dude who makes 150-300k per year (even if it's coupled with other favorable attributes: great career, nice car, his own place, etc.)

The only way I could see money touching looks and status, is if you're clearly in the top echelon of earners (making roughly 400-500k per year or more, and have the commensurate lifestyle to match).

From what I've experienced, the only kinds of girls who seem to value men with money/stability are: those looking for a serious relationship (they're also generally 25+ years old) or sugar babies.

Celebrity status also goes hand in hand with money. They compliment each other. And I’d say that with status/money it can overcome looks easily.

Lotta ugly ass dudes that are social media stars or pro athletes or whatever with fame/money that have chicks throwing themselves at them constantly. No status introverted guy with 10/10 looks isn’t even in the same stratosphere.

 

[Salvation]

"Lotta ugly ass dudes that are social media stars or pro athletes or whatever with fame/money that have chicks throwing themselves at them constantly." - i guess so.

"No status introverted guy with 10/10 looks isn’t even in the same stratosphere." - disagree, he is eyed by women wherever he goes and given 'pls **** me' signals wherever he is, all his live.

 

[Jumbo Gumbo]

Hell yes money matters to women.

file this under Things Women Refuse To Admit

 

[Salvation]

Hell yes money matters to women.

Everybody i think agrees that it does matter at least a little.
But what would that mean exactly.
Eg imo a 20year old hot woman will lust much more for a hot 28year old broke Bartender than after a 40 year old with a beer-belly in a Lamborghini (looks vs money)
Now if the lambo-guy is also famous (status), that could at least make him a competition to the hot broke guy

 

[Gamisch]

Everybody i think agrees that it does matter at least a little.
But what would that mean exactly.
Eg imo a 20year old hot woman will lust much more for a hot 28year old broke Bartender than after a 40 year old with a beer-belly in a Lamborghini (looks vs money)
Now if the lambo-guy is also famous (status), that could at least make him a competition to the hot broke guy

I've been the "28 y.o bartender " and let me tell you what will happen because we always cut the story short about some fantasy dude while after the movie says "finne" it ALWAYS continues behind the screens...)

She'll get bored. Period. She'll wanna monetize her looks one way or another. She'll fight "28 y
O bartender tooth to nail to sustain her 500 friends on Facebook ( or hide her Facebook where she'll have any ninja in the world as a friend EXCEPT 28 y.o bartender ).

Hot broke guy will rather sooner than later run into a woman who'll break him. Because he gets women he'll increase the chance of actually running into a Jezebel.

At the end of it all " 28 y.o bartender " will regret the fact that he's been broke , and realize that MONEY would've made his life so ,so much easier.

It's easier to get women than it is to get (the right mentality) to get GOOD money.

 

[Gamisch]

To attract hot, young girls In 2024: looks and status trump money.

These types seem to prefer a guy with social media clout (celebrity / quasi-celebrity status) and/or is 6 ft+ with a ripped gym-bro physique -- versus the semi-unremarkable dude who makes 150-300k per year (even if it's coupled with other favorable attributes: great career, nice car, his own place, etc.)

The only way I could see money touching looks and status, is if you're clearly in the top echelon of earners (making roughly 400-500k per year or more, and have the commensurate lifestyle to match).

From what I've experienced, the only kinds of girls who seem to value men with money/stability are: those looking for a serious relationship (they're also generally 25+ years old) or sugar babies.

Women are terrible with money. I'd say that 70 % of the women I've been with had some kinda money issues. Some bigger than others.

Having a stable life goes a long way. But hey, I'm a (former) street cat. So a mouthpiece was all I had ,wished I spent all those wasted years and bucks dealing with broken women on building businesses, investing in stocks real-estate ect.

 

[Salvation]

I've been the "28 y.o bartender " and let me tell you what will happen ...
She'll get bored. Period. She'll wanna monetize her looks one way or another.
...
It's easier to get women than it is to get (the right mentality) to get GOOD money.

Well, i am talking about being the 'alpha ****s' guy, thats what i am interested in..
If it's easier to eg become a millionaire or to get regularly laid by hot women depends pretty much on your looks. I would say for ugly dudes it's basically 20x easier to become a millionaire than to get regularly laid by a hot woman..
(and if he is a millionaire noone gives a ****, cause millionaire today means nothing, it means perhaps you have a mediocre house and a mediocre car and you have to keep on working)

 

[Gamisch]

Well, i am talking about being the 'alpha ****s' guy, thats what i am interested in..
If it's easier to eg become a millionaire or to get regularly laid by hot women depends pretty much on your looks. I would say for ugly dudes it's basically 20x easier to become a millionaire than to get regularly laid by a hot woman..
(and if he is a millionaire noone gives a ****, cause millionaire today means nothing, it means perhaps you have a mediocre house and a mediocre car and you have to keep on working)

I have two incel homies. One is white one is Arab. The white dude CAN be good looking but he refuses to work on it . The Arab dude ..I don't know. not much wrong with him but he lacks the mouthpiece and is perhaps a tad too nerdy.

But what annoys me the most is the fact they resigned because they don't get any results with women. They are not avid followers of the RP but somehow they did pick up on the believe that they are "ugly".

Back in the days ugly meant you are a 2 or a 3. Disformed, teeth missing ect. Nowadays everyone who is not "Chad" thinks he's ugly.

I have a cousin who is fat. Fat fat. But he ALWAYS had slim women. The coke destroyed him tho...

Beauty is in the eye if the beholder.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I have two incel homies. One is white one is Arab. The white dude CAN be good looking but he refuses to work on it

Yeah... When we want to get ahead in our careers, we recognize that we have to acquire the proficiencies necessary to do so. And when we want our meals to be more tasty, we don't hesitate to add seasoning, or learn different recipes

It's mind-boggling that so many of us(Men AND Women alike) cling desperately to their conviction that dating and mating is any different, and that lovers will just appear without us making any effort

 

[Gamisch]

Yeah... When we want to get ahead in our careers, we recognize that we have to acquire the proficiencies necessary to do so. And when we want our meals to be more tasty, we don't hesitate to add seasoning, or learn different recipes

It's mind-boggling that so many of us(Men AND Women alike) cling desperately to their conviction that dating and mating is any different, and that lovers will just appear without us making any effort

Yup ,lately the narrative is that " they are open to meet a nice woman". BUT how is that possible if you refuse to work on yourself?

Imagine a fat woman losing weight. The first dude to hit her up and take her from the market will feel like a HUGE acknowledgement to all the hard work she put in. And rightfully so.

This game ,attraction ect shyte is a marathon not a sprint. They sit at the sideline waiting for life to happen. But nothing ever happens.. To quote ..ffeck it I'll post the video:

 

[jhonny9546]

There is this quote from https://illimitablemen.com/2013/12/13/understanding-social-market-value/

Women are more likely to exploit your weakness or “niceness” for their own gain if for any reason, out of feminist-fuelled ego and self-entitlement. If you aren’t a respectable man who will ravish a woman then what are you to her? A tool. A wallet. Logistical support. A babysitter, etc etc. When a woman doesn’t respect a man, he’s a not a man to her hence all this **** about “boys” and “men”, when a man isn’t respected by a woman, he’s either a tool to be exploited, or he’s baggage which is to be detested and shunned.

I still do not understand what it means when it says "If you aren’t a respectable man who will ravish a woman then what are you to her?".
In which scenario is it talking?