The Importance of Money in Men's SMV

[HaleyBaron]

Regular sex, no infidelity, healthy communication and problem resolution, and living up to marital vows taken on the wedding day.

And most of all: the woman submitting to the man of the house and the man being able to lead. Very very important.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Continued

I have read on here a few times that men who “use money,” do so to “make up for their personality”. Is the reverse true? Are “charming” men making up for their lack money (although one can have both)? Most rich men do have other desirable qualities, which is partly why they are rich.

Cope 1: “Money doesn’t matter.” Says the man who isn’t rich or was never close to rich people or wasn’t a rich boy who pulled up to high school with a car his teachers couldn’t afford.
Cope 2: “Status doesn’t matter.” Says the man who doesn’t have status, doesn’t have authority over others, isn’t part of a group respected or feared by others.
Cope 3: “Muscles don’t matter.” Says the man who never experienced women looking at his body with lust or copping feels on his arms, shoulders, and upper back as they talk to him or never had a nude-body-worship massage with a happy ending by one.

The equivalent would be someone who acts like a clown to make women laugh and hope that gets them laid.

It's just another form of not having respect for yourself.

 

[SW15]

And most of all: the woman submitting to the man of the house and the man being able to lead. Very very important.

Yes, add that

 

[plumber]

Different types of SMV scales.

Ones for provider and one for lover.

Money has everything to do with provider and nothing to do with lover. Yeh.. can argue about access that money can buy. Ultimately the pool boy and others have access to the same.

Some will again argue that the money... its the respect that others give to the money that can... work. You arrive in a good suit, others are licking your ass. This treatment your getting is attractive. Can get the same from the boys n the hood that respect you for other reasons. There are so many good looking women that do not have access to rich circle. This is where we get confused, is when WE think that the cute babe is pick us for a lover when we have high provider smv.

Its good to have money. Because you can buy stuff that is fun.

If you have tight game, it is possible to be a master provider and live good and get respectful treatment. But don't confuse that with being desired as a lover. Sometimes in our quest to become alpha... we really just become a very smart beta.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Ones for provider and one for lover.

Some men are both, especially those who get money from criminality.

 

[plumber]

Some men are both, especially those who get money from criminality.

That is true.

 

[SW15]

The biggest things money does with women in my experience is Better logistics which then translates to better access,>>>social circle

This is mostly true. Money will help in getting housing in better parts of the city closer to a lot of the post-education phase 20s/early 30s women in a larger USA city.

I have noticed in my city that the more attractive women tend to rent in more upscale apartment complexes as compared to the more mediocre ones.

There is one glaring exception to this and it's a college campus. Those in the college mating scene have better access to more attractive women than those who don't attend college or those who went to college and are now in the post education phase of their lives.

As I said before the reason why the Redpill has become obsessed with the LMS/HIgh-value man debate in the last 4-5 years is because deep down a lot of men don't have access to the women they really want. It's very obvious. You use to be able to meet a wife back in college even if you weren't the best-looking guy. People still meet in college don't let the RP fool you into thinking that all women in college are riding the carousel some girls find a b/f and then end up married to him after college etc. Most men are bitter they didn't get to experience the college life of smashing hot girls etc and so you have these guys hoping that by improving their LMS they will be able to bang those hot 21 college sority girls they messed out on when they were in their 20s. The reality is the HIgh value man trope is an illusion in itself as 90% of men will never reach it.

You have a better chance of getting jacked or in shape and then banging those type of girls

This topic was likely mentioned in the famous "college sex" thread (see below). When a man is on the campus of a reasonably sized college/university, he has access to the most good looking and unmarried 18-23 year old undergraduate students. This is great. However, it's not really as great as it initially seems. Most 18-23 year old undergrads have a boyfriend at a given time. When they exist and they are easy to spot in the real world, they may not be receptive to approaches. This is still a better setup than in the working world. A guy could run daygame in a large USA city and mostly encounter women with boyfriends if he's in daygame venues where typically unmarried 22-34 year old women tend to spend time.

Yes, people still do meet in college and form longer term relationships from it. However, look at the chart below about longer term heterosexual couples forming from college. This was something that gradually rose from 1970-2000 as more and more USA residents started attending college. Around 2000 is when is fewer longer term couples started forming in college, 2000 is right around when Millennials started to arrive on college campuses. Forming a longer term while in college has fallen off in favor of shorter term sexual relationships. There are many reasons for that. When I was on campus as an undergrad from 2001-2005, this was consistent with my experience and what I observed from my classmates. Few of the relationships that my college peers formed while in college stood the test of time. Most were over within 2-3 years of graduation (5 at the absolute maximum).

I agree that there are a lot of 30s/40s Millennial and late Gen X men out there who have a bad taste in their mouths from the college mating scene. They are displeased that they didn't get to smash as many attractive women in college as they would have liked and they want to make up for it via LMS now.

Observations about college sex life from someone that went to a party school.

I thought I'd share this as someone who went to a party school and was in a fraternity there as well. Not wanting to give too much about myself but I went to UGA and graduated a few years ago. While Athens has its hot girls, I do feel like the quality got worse every year due to the admission...

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[Manure Spherian]

Has anyone here been around men who were born rich/high status?

 

[HaleyBaron]

This is mostly true. Money will help in getting housing in better parts of the city closer to a lot of the post-education phase 20s/early 30s women in a larger USA city.

I have noticed in my city that the more attractive women tend to rent in more upscale apartment complexes as compared to the more mediocre ones.

There is one glaring exception to this and it's a college campus. Those in the college mating scene have better access to more attractive women than those who don't attend college or those who went to college and are now in the post education phase of their lives.



This topic was likely mentioned in the famous "college sex" thread (see below). When a man is on the campus of a reasonably sized college/university, he has access to the most good looking and unmarried 18-23 year old undergraduate students. This is great. However, it's not really as great as it initially seems. Most 18-23 year old undergrads have a boyfriend at a given time. When they exist and they are easy to spot in the real world, they may not be receptive to approaches. This is still a better setup than in the working world. A guy could run daygame in a large USA city and mostly encounter women with boyfriends if he's in daygame venues where typically unmarried 22-34 year old women tend to spend time.

Yes, people still do meet in college and form longer term relationships from it. However, look at the chart below about longer term heterosexual couples forming from college. This was something that gradually rose from 1970-2000 as more and more USA residents started attending college. Around 2000 is when is fewer longer term couples started forming in college, 2000 is right around when Millennials started to arrive on college campuses. Forming a longer term while in college has fallen off in favor of shorter term sexual relationships. There are many reasons for that. When I was on campus as an undergrad from 2001-2005, this was consistent with my experience and what I observed from my classmates. Few of the relationships that my college peers formed while in college stood the test of time. Most were over within 2-3 years of graduation (5 at the absolute maximum).

I agree that there are a lot of 30s/40s Millennial and late Gen X men out there who have a bad taste in their mouths from the college mating scene. They are displeased that they didn't get to smash as many attractive women in college as they would have liked and they want to make up for it via LMS now.

Observations about college sex life from someone that went to a party school.

I thought I'd share this as someone who went to a party school and was in a fraternity there as well. Not wanting to give too much about myself but I went to UGA and graduated a few years ago. While Athens has its hot girls, I do feel like the quality got worse every year due to the admission...

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You can see the traditional methods go down as women liberation took over in the west. Online is the exception, but it's still part the same problem.

 

[EmiliaBenn]

Money counts when charm fails

 

[BaronOfHair]

Has anyone here been around men who were born rich/high status?

Yes

 

[BaronOfHair]

A less convoluted way of thinking about this:

A few bucks in his pocket = A man being received more warmly by society in general. Especially in Post-Industrial nations, where we do everything in our power to keep the impoverished and bedraggled out of sight, so that we can endlessly ogle the affluent and the glamorous

That said, millions in your bank account won't make you especially attractive to the ladies, if your vibe is more Louis Tully

than Peter Venkman

 

[zekko]

You don't need money to attract women.

Having said that, I want money so I can live the lifestyle I want. I remember when I was a young man, and I was broke, and most of my friends were out-earning me. I was not happy with myself, I felt like I was letting myself down. So from that aspect, for my own self esteem, I wanted to be more successful financially, because I wanted options. Money gives you options.

 

[SW15]

A guy who is 30 years old making 30 grand isn't going to have the access of a guy who is 35 making 350K a year. It's a different ballgame. The guy who is 35 can live in a logistical haven, he can live in the best part of town or in an area that's abudnant with hot women. Whether it's near or on a college campus, downtown, uptown etc. Heck typically if you live in the best part of town in most cities the hottest women tend to be there!

The first sentence is true but a 32-38 year old man making $200,000 - $350,000 isn't as well situated as it might appear at first.

A 32-38 year old man in the working world at any wage level isn't able to access the college campus world. It is going to be challenging for him to be able to do random on campus approaching without looking creepy. He won't be able to go to the extracurricular on campus club meetings.

A 32-38 year old higher earning men would be able to get very good housing in some desirable neighborhoods in his city. He can get an elite urban apartment/condo near Uptown/Downtown in a lot of cities and be close to some hot nightlife venues where 21-25 year old attractive females spend time. That's useful. In terms of daygame in those Uptown/Downtown neighborhoods, it is often 25-32 year old Girl Boss types though. There are some fit Girl Boss types who look go from going to bougie type fitness studios like SoulCycle.

 

[Solomon]

The first sentence is true but a 32-38 year old man making $200,000 - $350,000 isn't as well situated as it might appear at first.

A 32-38 year old man in the working world at any wage level isn't able to access the college campus world. It is going to be challenging for him to be able to do random on campus approaching without looking creepy. He won't be able to go to the extracurricular on campus club meetings.

A 32-38 year old higher earning men would be able to get very good housing in some desirable neighborhoods in his city. He can get an elite urban apartment/condo near Uptown/Downtown in a lot of cities and be close to some hot nightlife venues where 21-25 year old attractive females spend time. That's useful. In terms of daygame in those Uptown/Downtown neighborhoods, it is often 25-32 year old Girl Boss types though. There are some fit Girl Boss types who look go from going to bougie type fitness studios like SoulCycle.

I totally disagree with the first paragraph but agree with the 2nd

A guy 32-38 can live near a college campus, which has college bars or even, college parties and in some cases college clubs, even if he lives 15 minutes from said campuses it's still close enough to uber too. On another note why would a 32-38 year old guy try to meet women on college campuses? IMO that's a waste of time, trying to daygame like this which will yield low success results unless you look like a prime Paul Janka or a youtuber with a gimmick There are other ways to meet college-aged women, not bragging but using myself as an example. I was going to college parties until I was 25, I was getting into frat parties until I was 30 and it wasn't because I met girls on campus. I was getting into parties by networking with guys around my age or younger who got me into those parties. When I networked with those guys my intention was never to go to said parties it just naturally happened. Heck the frat parties I was getting into were because of a guy I met of sosauve in 2013 who wanted me to mentor him with night/party game at the time(he was in a big frat at the most popular college in our state) The guy doesn't post here anymore and last time I heard from him he found a girlfriend, not sure what happened to him as I haven't talked to him in a while. Here are some pics...

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Addressing your last paragraph

As a guy who lives very close to downtown in my city. I can tell you my lay rate went up 8X the first year I did so. I noticed the objection that I use to get from women when I lived 45 minutes away from downtown went down drastically. It truly made me understand that logistics can make or break your game.

• The best example I can give imagine you live in Burbank, California but the girl you're trying to date lives in West Hollywood, California. From Burbank To West Hollywood. The drive is about 9-15 miles depending on where you are going and typically takes 15-25 minutes, However during rush hour it can easily take 1 hour or 1 hour 30 minutes. What's my point with this story? anyone who dates in LA county will tell you that if you live more than 20 minutes from someone even if it's a 15-mile drive most people in LA won't date you. The traffic is so bad that people don't want to date someone who lives more than 15 minutes away. For most people, this may sound crazy but in LA dating someone who lives 45 minutes for example is equivalent for a smaller-town or a different city guy driving 3 hours. Who wants to deal with that stress? and high gas prices you have a lot of guys on this site who have to drive an hour or two just to go on a date cause they live in Bumturkey USA somewhere. There are no women in their town or attractive ones so their only option is to meet a girl off a swipe app who may not even look like her pictures that lives hours away. The further you live away from the women that you truly want, the harder it is. I haven't even talked about how that affects the possibility of intimacy, and also the frequency of how often you see you girlfriend or partner etc.

Logistics can't be underestimated where you live, what type of housing, lifestyle etc I think boosts your SMV tremendously. If you live in a nice place and neighborhood women are going to infer you're doing very well. However IMO it's the fact that you're in the vicinity of women in their prime in abundance really does make a difference. If you're 30 and living in your mom's basement or the trailer parks it's going to be tougher to pull women especially attractive women unless you like trailer park chicks. The reason why logistics don't matter for college kids is cause they have the best logistics in the world for obvious reasons which I already mentioned prior. As you get older, especially in your 30s women will judge you on where you live, not just because of your salary but because a lot of women are superficial like that and if her place is nicer than yours it may be a turn-off to her. I'm not saying you should get a nice place to impress women all I'm saying is that shyt matters to women more than guys think and as you get older that could be a deal breaker for women in itself . I remember when I use to live further away and how it was deal breaker for most women, I even recall a woman once saying she wished I lived closer to downtown. Once I moved I noticed it really made a difference and I've also seen how the dynamics play out for guys who live in the best parts of downtown. It truly is a game-changer!

 

[SW15]

On another note why would a 32-38 year old guy try to meet women on college campuses? IMO that's a waste of time, trying to daygame like this which will yield low success results

It would be a waste of time for a 32-38 year old guy to try to daygame on campus randomly. However, an existing student can randomly daygame on campus and it would likely be less of a waste of time. His campus daygaming would be more likely to be talking to women from his 200+ person lecture hall class or even at the on campus gym for students/faculty. Additionally, the undergraduate/graduate student has on campus extracurricular clubs as an option, which the random rich guy 32-38 year old guy would not be able to access. The extracurricular club option is the great option in the gaming sphere here, especially as an LTR play.

As a guy who lives very close to downtown in my city. I can tell you my lay rate went up 8X the first year I did so. I noticed the objection that I use to get from women when I lived 45 minutes away from downtown went down drastically. It truly made me understand that logistics can make or break your game.

I can see how this would make a big difference.

The best example I can give imagine you live in Burbank, California but the girl you're trying to date lives in West Hollywood, California. From Burbank To West Hollywood. The drive is about 9-15 miles depending on where you are going and typically takes 15-25 minutes, However during rush hour it can easily take 1 hour or 1 hour 30 minutes. What's my point with this story? anyone who dates in LA county will tell you that if you live more than 20 minutes from someone even if it's a 15-mile drive most people in LA won't date you. The traffic is so bad that people don't want to date someone who lives more than 15 minutes away. For most people, this may sound crazy but in LA dating someone who lives 45 minutes for example is equivalent for a smaller-town or a different city guy driving 3 hours. Who wants to deal with that stress? and high gas prices you have a lot of guys on this site who have to drive an hour or two just to go on a date cause they live in Bumturkey USA somewhere. There are no women in their town or attractive ones so their only option is to meet a girl off a swipe app who may not even look like her pictures that lives hours away. The further you live away from the women that you truly want, the harder it is. I haven't even talked about how that affects the possibility of intimacy, and also the frequency of how often you see you girlfriend or partner etc

I like this example a lot. Dallas has a similar experience. People who live in some of the Central Dallas neighborhoods dislike going north of Interstate 635 (the northern reaches of the Dallas city limits and north of Dallas suburbs). The most desirable neighborhoods for unmarried people in Dallas are closer to Downtown Dallas. The further that you get from Downtown Dallas, the less geographically desirable you will be to most unattached people. The traffic is just way too bad in Dallas at key times of the day to travel something more than 10-15 miles.

As you get older, especially in your 30s women will judge you on where you live, not just because of your salary but because a lot of women are superficial like that and if her place is nicer than yours it may be a turn-off to her. I'm not saying you should get a nice place to impress women all I'm saying is that shyt matters to women more than guys think and as you get older that could be a deal breaker for women in itself .

Very true.

I remember when I use to live further away and how it was deal breaker for most women, I even recall a woman once saying she wished I lived closer to downtown. Once I moved I noticed it really made a difference and I've also seen how the dynamics play out for guys who live in the best parts of downtown. It truly is a game-changer!

Yes, this makes sense.

 

[MatureDJ]

It's OVER for PauperCels.

 

[MatureDJ]

The most desirable neighborhoods for unmarried people in Dallas are closer to Downtown Dallas. The further that you get from Downtown Dallas, the less geographically desirable you will be to most unattached people. The traffic is just way too bad in Dallas at key times of the day to travel something more than 10-15 miles.

I thought The Villages is the swinging singles' apartment complex in D.

 

[BaronOfHair]

You needn't prowl a uni campus to find women in this age bracket, fellas. The classy, high-quality ones are fixtures at art galleries, classic film revivals, operas(Even those that screen digitally), yoga, etc etc

 

[SW15]

The most desirable neighborhoods for unmarried people in Dallas are closer to Downtown Dallas. The further that you get from Downtown Dallas, the less geographically desirable you will be to most unattached people. The traffic is just way too bad in Dallas at key times of the day to travel something more than 10-15 miles.

I thought The Villages is the swinging singles' apartment complex in D.

It's called The Village. I've never mentioned The Village in my "Observations on Dallas' Scene" thread. At some point in the near future, I'll have to update that thread with some detailed commentary about The Village. I'm only going to cover the bare minimum about The Village in this post as a longer, more detailed post would be more appropriate for the Dallas Scene thread.

Home - The Village Dallas

Since 1968, The Village Dallas has been a landmark in the community. With 7,253 multi-family residences all located on the outskirts of downtown Dallas, The

www.thevillagedallas.com

How were you aware of The Village in Dallas?

The Village has been around in Dallas since the late 1960s. The Village is a collection of 15+ apartment communities around a common athletic club and bar(s)/restaurant(s). The original Village complexes were built between the late 1960s - mid 1980s. Since then, some older complexes have been torn down and re-built. The common areas were re-built in the late 2010s-early 2020s.

The Village is considered to be a Central Dallas area as it is about 7 miles north and slightly east of Downtown Dallas. It is only about 2 miles from Southern Methodist University. It's probably the northern most area with a big collection of singles in what's considered to be a Central Dallas area.

The heyday of The Village was from the 1970s-1990s. Around the late 1990s-early 2000s, Uptown and a few other areas closer to Downtown started to attract some of the yuppie/bougie types. The Village lost some of its cool factor with the rise of Uptown/Downtown in recent times but is still considered a decent spot to reside if you're younger and single in Dallas.

The biggest drawback of The Village is walkability. The Village isn't walkable to the most popular nightlife districts in Dallas. It's a short ride with Uber/Lyft to those areas, but there's a difference between walkable and a short Uber/Lyft ride.

The 2 most expensive Village complexes are the 2 newest ones. The newest one opened at the end of the renovation of the common areas in the early 2020s. A one bedroom there would be near $3,000/month right now. The second newest one opened in the mid 2010s is about 10 years old now. That one runs $2,000 - $2,5000/month. Neither will get you good walkability to the hottest nightlife venues in Dallas. You can get apartments in Dallas near Uptown/Downtown around those prices with better nightlife walkability.

However, as I have mentioned in the Dallas Scene thread, some parts of Uptown have experienced an increase in crime sine the mid 2010s and also feel scarier at night despite the better walkability. That helps The Village to an extent.

The Village is considered a good logistical place but probably not the best logistical place in Dallas. @Solomon has been talking about using money to create good logistics to up your lay count and lay rate. The Village would be an above average choice for that.