The Importance of Money in Men's SMV

[Gamisch]

Yeah I didn't explain it well. I always though that AF/BB idea meant that she'll fukk an alpha, whatever his economic situation, but then "settle" for a beta who's earning a living. (And then sometimes go fukk an alpha behind his back.)

If that's true then money is not a requirement for getting steady pu$$y. Which is the point of this thread.

The difference between the same man who's broke or has money is like day and night. ( same with women, being a woman is expensive) Now, there are levels to having money. Sometimes you just need enough to at least be able to "be you". A decent job can get you there. A 200 bucks Diesel jeans = a 200 bucks diesel jeans. Yet most people won't be savy enough to get this done( and yes they'll still feck ).

Imo no man who is clueless should roam around this earth being satisfied because Stacy fecks him now. You should chase excellence and try to make your wage hours as worthy as possible. The 9-5 hustle is an art on itself that has nothing to do with women, just like hitting the gym it MIGHT benefit you to get /keep women.

 

[Manure Spherian]

I really don’t get how people underestimate money in SMV. Money and status are linked. Nearly all positions that bring in higher-than-average income involve authority over others or autonomy and hold high status, all of which are aphrodisiacs in women. It might not be the money per se, but what brings the money brings women. Some women only want men with money, and not all such men conscientiously “lead with their wallet” considering often what it takes to be high status or high earning doesn’t favor socially-stunted people. In fact, in some cases, getting status involves being socially astute or being a scumbag and pushing people around. Few rich men I’ve met or know are social retards. Some are nerdy, but they wound up with nerdy women.

I’ve never met a rich man who was socially retarded or lead with his wallet. I’m sure some do. If that backfires, I’m sure they get over it quickly.

 

[Gamisch]

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I really don’t get how people underestimate money in SMV. Money and status are linked. Nearly all positions that bring in higher-than-average income involve authority over others or autonomy and hold high status, all of which are aphrodisiacs in women. It might not be the money per se, but what brings the money brings women. Some women only want men with money, and not all such men conscientiously “lead with their wallet” considering often what it takes to be high status or high earning doesn’t favor socially-stunted people. In fact, in some cases, getting status involves being socially astute or being a scumbag and pushing people around. Few rich men I’ve met or know are social retards. Some are nerdy, but they wound up with nerdy women.

I’ve never met a rich man who was socially retarded or lead with his wallet. I’m sure some do. If that backfires, I’m sure they get over it quickly.

There's reason why they call a certain amount of money " feck you money". Because it allows you to have abundance. I am from South America. Most of our women are money hungry whoores. Yes ,looks wise they'll check all boxes, but their main mentality is "money talks bs walks".

Most men in my culture have no problem using their mouthpiece but ,or because they lack finances and a specific background that allows one to know how to navigate through the financial world. In the west on the other hand its the other way around. Men have the finances but not the skills to close the gap.

 

[anonymous12345]

I got a dubious perspective. I'm currently without job and low on cash, but I haven't yet been rejected based on that, it seems. I phrase it in positive ways, I got a respectful degree and my wardrobe is ok, meaning I don't give off the image of a bum.

That being said, money would improve logistics, and I would perhaps have a much better vibe if I wasn't at the bottom of society, leading to better closures.

 

[Manure Spherian]

I really don’t get how people underestimate money in SMV. Money and status are linked. Nearly all positions that bring in higher-than-average income involve authority over others or autonomy and hold high status, all of which are aphrodisiacs in women. It might not be the money per se, but what brings the money brings women. Some women only want men with money, and not all such men conscientiously “lead with their wallet” considering often what it takes to be high status or high earning doesn’t favor socially-stunted people. In fact, in some cases, getting status involves being socially astute or being a scumbag and pushing people around. Few rich men I’ve met or know are social retards. Some are nerdy, but they wound up with nerdy women.

I’ve never met a rich man who was socially retarded or lead with his wallet. I’m sure some do. If that backfires, I’m sure they get over it quickly.

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I have read on here a few times that men who “use money,” do so to “make up for their personality”. Is the reverse true? Are “charming” men making up for their lack money (although one can have both)? Most rich men do have other desirable qualities, which is partly why they are rich.

Cope 1: “Money doesn’t matter.” Says the man who isn’t rich or was never close to rich people or wasn’t a rich boy who pulled up to high school with a car his teachers couldn’t afford.
Cope 2: “Status doesn’t matter.” Says the man who doesn’t have status, doesn’t have authority over others, isn’t part of a group respected or feared by others.
Cope 3: “Muscles don’t matter.” Says the man who never experienced women looking at his body with lust or copping feels on his arms, shoulders, and upper back as they talk to him or never had a nude-body-worship massage with a happy ending by one.

 

[SW15]

In a way, college is a sort of pssy heaven. I wish I could sponsor an awareness campaign for all high schoolers so they prepare accordingly, because boy, not an easy thing to recover if you completely miss out college action.

This is very accurate. A college campus is the best place to meet women for men who are enrolled in a college. This is far more likely to happen for men at larger universities. Men who never enroll in college or go to trade schools do not get to experience this.

The access to young, single women on a university campus is better than any 25-40 year old man working man will have from nightlife venues or non-bar approaching. This is even true if the 25-40 year old man is in a large city. It doesn't get better than a college campus.

The non-bar approaching opportunities walking on campus, in your classes, or in campus extracurriculars are better than urban grocery stores, malls, or any other non-bar approach environment not associated with a college or university.

This forum has a great thread about the college sex experience.

Observations about college sex life from someone that went to a party school.

I thought I'd share this as someone who went to a party school and was in a fraternity there as well. Not wanting to give too much about myself but I went to UGA and graduated a few years ago. While Athens has its hot girls, I do feel like the quality got worse every year due to the admission...

www.sosuave.net

The corporate guy will also get his fair share.

This isn't true. A lot of STEM workers are corporate guys and a lot of STEM guys are incel/borderline incel. Most medical doctors/dentists are beta male married men too. These are men in mediocre to subpar marriages.

Most men in corporate business type roles are either blue pilled, beta males in mediocre at best marriages or struggling to get attention as unmarried men.

 

[Manure Spherian]

mediocre to subpar marriages.

In TLDR fashion, can you describe a good marriage with children (aside from sex)?

 

[MatureDJ]

All the 'outer trappings' like visible wealth / status are only necessary if you're a charmless douche nozzle.

I have money, I retired in 2011, but I don't flaunt my affluence, don't spread 'provider vibes'. Women have sex with me because I'm fun, not because I can buy them stuff.

Or pay for car repairs, home improvement, or airline tickets. The only women who can ask that from you are the ones who married you. And if you're smart, you don't marry someone who sees you as a walking wallet.

Eh, if the gal is prime enough, I wouldn't mind playing SugarDaddyGame up to some extent. Maybe through experience, I've learned that I'm going to pay for it one way or another.

 

[Solomon]

In a way, college is a sort of pssy heaven. I wish I could sponsor an awareness campaign for all high schoolers so they prepare accordingly, because boy, not an easy thing to recover if you completely miss out college action.

You can still bang college girls if you stay in shape and do your thing. My buddy is 35 still bangs 21 year olds cause he is within 10 miles of 3 of the biggest colleges in the state (logistics/access)When I was in my late 20s I was still getting to Frat parties and I'll leave at that

This isn't true. A lot of STEM workers are corporate guys and a lot of STEM guys are incel/borderline incel. Most medical doctors/dentists are beta male married men too. These are men in mediocre to subpar marriages.

Most men in corporate business type roles are either blue pilled, beta males in mediocre at best marriages or struggling to get attention as unmarried men.

I agree with the STEM part and even agree with the blue pill part. But the part that you and a lot of people miss is that a lot of Blue pill guys get pussi too in corporate America ( lotta people meet their wives/girlfriends at the work office even to this day). When you spend 8-12 hours with the same people or more than your partners it's natural for some people to gravitate towards each other but you can't be greedy and try to spin 3 co-workers I don't care if you work in a skyscraper(been there) women will find out and eff up your career, Heck I've seen guys get fired or written up for banging co-workers. Co-workers banging off or even on work premises happens more than people think. The "Work husband" and "wife husband" trope is a stereotype for a reason.

6 years ago I had a female co-worker who I was out of town with, she offered the P but I had to turn her down, ain't no pussi getting infront of my money

 

[HaleyBaron]

Money will give you more options to be a better person. BUT that's only if someone takes that option. In reality, it amplifies who you really are too.

Meet Harvey Weinstein. He is not the only producer in Hollywood who has done this, but he was one of them. The meta in Hollywood is to hook up with jewish producers to get acting roles so it should not be surprising.



He never worked out a day in his life. His p*nis was even described as misshapen and necrotic. Even his tie right there is so lazily and sloppily put on. And his social skills can be considered subpar at best. And yet because of his nepotistic connections and money, he had access to any hot women he wanted. All the girls you fapped to or thought of wanting to f*ck, this old ass man got to them first with his fat belly, below average looks, and half working p*nis.

Weinstein had every chance to get fit, clean up, and become a better looking and better social person. Yet he did not because money and status afforded him to be as lazy as possible.

Money is not everything but it's pretty damn powerful when giving options. Weinstein chose to take the option of full on lust and greed instead of self improvement.

 

[Gamisch]

This is very accurate. A college campus is the best place to meet women for men who are enrolled in a college. This is far more likely to happen for men at larger universities. Men who never enroll in college or go to trade schools do not get to experience this.

The access to young, single women on a university campus is better than any 25-40 year old man working man will have from nightlife venues or non-bar approaching. This is even true if the 25-40 year old man is in a large city. It doesn't get better than a college campus.

The non-bar approaching opportunities walking on campus, in your classes, or in campus extracurriculars are better than urban grocery stores, malls, or any other non-bar approach environment not associated with a college or university.

This forum has a great thread about the college sex experience.

Observations about college sex life from someone that went to a party school.

I thought I'd share this as someone who went to a party school and was in a fraternity there as well. Not wanting to give too much about myself but I went to UGA and graduated a few years ago. While Athens has its hot girls, I do feel like the quality got worse every year due to the admission...

www.sosuave.net

This isn't true. A lot of STEM workers are corporate guys and a lot of STEM guys are incel/borderline incel. Most medical doctors/dentists are beta male married men too. These are men in mediocre to subpar marriages.

Most men in corporate business type roles are either blue pilled, beta males in mediocre at best marriages or struggling to get attention as unmarried men.

Yeah ,but being bluepilled/beta does NOT mean a man won't get coochie. I do agree that it becomes harder for such a man because most women nowadays have had their fait share of "Bad boys" so the temptation is always lurking. And it takes ONE moment of weakness for her to destroy everything you've build.

Don't forget how sheltered a lotta women live life: work, family, visiting friends rinse and repeat. Occasionally a night out at a rather save spot. And in the western world only the states have ghettos (not talking scatchy neighbourhoods, they are everywhere). Stacy won't roam the ghetto looking for D unless she is extremely toxic by heart.

And here the real kicker : a woman will pick from the man available to her rather quickly. If she's surrounded by beta men she'll pick the best beta man available. She won't wait untill Don Juan one sweet day passes her by and approaches her. She'll long to be held, fecked ,be a mother,be spoiled ect.

 

[anonymous12345]

And here the real kicker : a woman will pick from the man available to her rather quickly. If she's surrounded by beta men she'll pick the best beta man available. She won't wait untill Don Juan one sweet day passes her by and approaches her. She'll long to be held, fecked ,be a mother,be spoiled ect.

Confirmed over here. When you start looking around, most girls have low quality boy friends.

 

[Manure Spherian]

low quality boy friends

I am reading this over and over, along with “most men are trash” (said by other men), and “beta male husband”. Can you give me a TLDR rundown how nearly all men with women are no good?

What’s a low quality bf?

 

[Dr.Suave]

Meet Harvey Weinstein. He is not the only producer in Hollywood who has done this, but he was one of them. The meta in Hollywood is to hook up with jewish producers to get acting roles so it should not be surprising.

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He never worked out a day in his life. His p*nis was even described as misshapen and necrotic. Even his tie right there is so lazily and sloppily put on. And his social skills can be considered subpar at best. And yet because of his nepotistic connections and money, he had access to any hot women he wanted. All the girls you fapped to or thought of wanting to f*ck, this old ass man got to them first with his fat belly, below average looks, and half working p*nis.

Weinstein had every chance to get fit, clean up, and become a better looking and better social person. Yet he did not because money and status afforded him to be as lazy as possible.

His face has that expression of "Im going to bang a very hot girl tonight and I know it". Is that Taylor Swift in the yellow dress? I dont recognize the others but that girl wearing white is not half bad

 

[BaronOfHair]

A man needs a hearty income to enjoy the fruits of this deeply flawed yet nonetheless magnificent civilization we inhabit... SMV isn't even a tertiary motive for us to sweat such a thing

That said, this "looks" vs "money" debate is yet another Manosphere false dichotomy which refuses to die. Attractive people of both genders make more money, are promoted more often, and have all sorts of doors opened for them that those who don't put time and effort into their appearance never receive. Thus, this knee-jerk revulsion that both The Woke and Red Pillers have to so-called Looksmaxxing remains puzzling, at least to me

 

[anonymous12345]

I am reading this over and over, along with “most men are trash” (said by other men), and “beta male husband”. Can you give me a TLDR rundown how nearly all men with women are no good?

What’s a low quality bf?

Think AFC'ish. Can't dress, doesn't work out, little experience, comfort and safety seeking. I'm sure he has good qualities, but according to the collective wisdom/perception of SS, one can do a lot better.

But sure, maybe I'm tripping on some cognitive bias. Of course there's good men, and plenty that are better than me.

 

[Solomon]

Continued

I have read on here a few times that men who “use money,” do so to “make up for their personality”. Is the reverse true? Are “charming” men making up for their lack money (although one can have both)? Most rich men do have other desirable qualities, which is partly why they are rich.

Cope 1: “Money doesn’t matter.” Says the man who isn’t rich or was never close to rich people or wasn’t a rich boy who pulled up to high school with a car his teachers couldn’t afford.
Cope 2: “Status doesn’t matter.” Says the man who doesn’t have status, doesn’t have authority over others, isn’t part of a group respected or feared by others.
Cope 3: “Muscles don’t matter.” Says the man who never experienced women looking at his body with lust or copping feels on his arms, shoulders, and upper back as they talk to him or never had a nude-body-worship massage with a happy ending by one.

As a person who has made some money and been around money and status (D list celebs i.e. popular youtubers, people in the finance field etc) I'm not going to be disingenuous and say money doesn't matter the problem with the money argument is you have people arguing about money from a perspective of broke people who are going of 2nd hand information or what they see on a Tik Tok Redpill video

They can't fathom that a rich guy can get a hot girl and keep the spending cost low or not trick off at all if he doesn't want too. The biggest things money does with women in my experience is Better logistics which then translates to better access,>>>social circle (social proof).

A guy who is 30 years old making 30 grand isn't going to have the access of a guy who is 35 making 350K a year. It's a different ballgame. The guy who is 35 can live in a logistical haven, he can live in the best part of town or in an area that's abudnant with hot women. Whether it's near or on a college campus, downtown, uptown etc. Heck typically if you live in the best part of town in most cities the hottest women tend to be there!

I have said before once I moved closer to the city my lay rate went up 8X back in 2008 simply moving 20 miles increased that. The 35 year old also has access to a social circle that most men in their 30s won't have access too. The trope that rich people tend to hang out with other rich people is true. There is so much more that goes into it than I care to post because most guys won't understand unless you run in those circles!

The only way the 30-year-old making 30 grand will have that type of access is if he has connections, That doesn't mean the 30 year old can't bang hot chicks but having access with social proof/status etc makes a whole world of difference, your foot is basically in the door already and the girls are waiting on you (the mythically "finished line" your favorite redpiller loves to talk about)

A man needs a hearty income to enjoy the fruits of this deeply flawed yet nonetheless magnificent civilization we inhabit... SMV isn't even a tertiary motive for us to sweat such a thing

That said, this "looks" vs "money" debate is yet another Manosphere false dichotomy which refuses to die. Attractive people of both genders make more money, are promoted more often, and have all sorts of doors opened for them that those who don't put time and effort into their appearance never receive. Thus, this knee-jerk revulsion that both The Woke and Red Pillers have to so-called Looksmaxxing remains puzzling, at least to me

As I said before the reason why the Redpill has become obsessed with the LMS/HIgh-value man debate in the last 4-5 years is because deep down a lot of men don't have access to the women they really want. It's very obvious. You use to be able to meet a wife back in college even if you weren't the best-looking guy. People still meet in college don't let the RP fool you into thinking that all women in college are riding the carousel some girls find a b/f and then end up married to him after college etc. Most men are bitter they didn't get to experience the college life of smashing hot girls etc and so you have these guys hoping that by improving their LMS they will be able to bang those hot 21 college sority girls they messed out on when they were in their 20s. The reality is the HIgh value man trope is an illusion in itself as 90% of men will never reach it.

You have a better chance of getting jacked or in shape and then banging those type of girls

 

[BaronOfHair]

As I said before the reason why the Redpill has become obsessed with the LMS/HIgh-value man debate in the last 4-5 years is because deep down a lot of men don't have access to the women they really want

They're chasing what's trendy in the culture at large: Overthinking the ever-living piss out of everything, while being violently averse to asking themselves: "What are our goals, and what do we do to achieve them?"

Which is really sad. As was mentioned in a couple of different recent threads: If creating more vibrant lives is really what we modern men desire, we can start by putting ourselves in better stead each and every day, by simply freshening up, first thing in the morning. There's long been empirical evidence demonstrating as much https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/health/the-axe-effect-is-real/1880428/ , the likes of which has been replicated at least once https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.de...030616/the-axe-effect-is-real-scientists.html

Yet we instead live in a world where dudes spending days on end in the same clothes + Refusing to wash their rear ends on a daily basis, then attributing no one wanting to be around them mostly to MeToo, has become a serious problem

 

[HaleyBaron]

His face has that expression of "Im going to bang a very hot girl tonight and I know it". Is that Taylor Swift in the yellow dress? I dont recognize the others but that girl wearing white is not half bad

Yep, it's her. Considered the diamond in media but she was already likely gangbanged by multiple producers.

 

[SW15]

In TLDR fashion, can you describe a good marriage with children (aside from sex)?

Regular sex, no infidelity, healthy communication and problem resolution, and living up to marital vows taken on the wedding day.