The Great Irony of the SMV theory

[Scormus]

I wish I could pull like you!

 

[Boilermaker]

It just goes to show that men desire attractive women, moreso than luxury cars. Maybe it's wrong, but men take this sort of thing very personally. Maybe it's "taking validation", but there's a suggestion that the level of beauty in the women you attract says something about the value of the man himself.

You guys are on a streak. :rockon:

Very true , very profound ideas,

Congratulations to firstly BB for that epic Dostoevskian post, and to you for explaining it to the masses.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Generally speaking, a man's career and finances improve with age, while his physique drops gradually. Looks-wise, men age gracefully, which is a plus.


Roger Federer is 32, and his prime as a tennis player is now well behind him. To look at him, he looks like he is in as good a shape as he has ever been. But there are imperceptible changes that have occurred that do not allow his body to respond as quickly or as well as they used to.

So for athletes in certain sports, the end can come quickly. But dating value is something that can last a good deal longer.

I think for the purposes of picking up 20-something girls, there is often a quick and significant drop in pulling power that tends to happen around mid 30's.

That's quite profound, lol. It just goes to show that men desire attractive women, moreso than luxury cars. Maybe it's wrong, but men take this sort of thing very personally. Maybe it's "taking validation", but there's a suggestion that the level of beauty in the women you attract says something about the value of the man himself.

And rightly so that they do. Even a car guy isn't going to be fulfilled by his BMW or Porsche. And an aging unattractive guy driving a Porsche is still unattractive to most women.

But the real matter is everyone else absolutely does place a man's value on the attractiveness (and number) of the women he has. Go out with a legitimate 9 and your status and treatment from others can go from zero to god like. Every other hot woman wants to meet you, and all the guys treat you with more respect.

Anyway how did this thread go from decent guys in their 30's who can't get ANY women to men all are trying to only date 9's and girls way out of their league? That's right blame the men. It's actually the other way around. Women are the ones trying to date male 9s.

 

[synergy1]

some times really need to just work on yourself but ****.. there comes a time when you have to sit down and give an honest assessment of what you can and can't pull. it doesn't mean you should not be trying to improve but i mean, if you never pulled a HB9 in your life, don't get pissy when they keep rejecting you lol

this is where I am at life at the moment. I started the path by working out, improvement, and learning the game. By doing these and improving, you will keep getting better and better results until a limit. That limit is where I am at currently and its hard to improve when the incremental results are small at best . Deep down inside I refuse to believe that I can't pull a 9, but I realize that where I am now, and what I am doing now it isn't going to happen. In this situation one can either abdicate and accept what they are, or continue to pursue the dream. I mean if I was famous and or had boat loads of money and knew people, I am 100% confident I could be banging 9s. No joke.

However I am not famous, nor do I have boat loads of money or crazy connections. Do the math. Its about being introspective but realistic too. Given the last 10 years, its unlikely in the next 10 years I will bang a perfect 9. While thats OK, there is still that desire to strive for it. When I end up in your neck of the woods, it'll be a fun attempt at it.

What would the dating game be like if there were no beta males in it?

It would be turned upside down. That is the biggest factor around here for why women act so awful. Even the ugliest women around here has more dating value than most people, and even us posters. You would have to see it to believe it. women here get offended if regular guys TALK to them. While I am always devils advocate when these conversations come up, its obvious that the culture has completely embraced this ideology.

 

[Lexington]

But women HB1-7 especially are hesistant to get sexual with males under an 8.

LOL and HB1 would be super eager to get sexual with anyone, let alone an 8! That's just ridiculous.

At any and every given moment of time, only about 5-15% of females are willing to get sexual with 5-15% of the 80-95% of sexually available men.

Is that so? And where did you get these figures from?

This is the whole sexual market in a nutshell. All the females HB1-10 are only available sexually at any given time to the male population at maybe 15% rate, while all males are sexually available to females 80-95%.

I would love to see your data to back up these claims.

 

[Scormus]

LOL and HB1 would be super eager to get sexual with anyone, let alone an 8! That's just ridiculous.



Is that so? And where did you get these figures from?



I would love to see your data to back up these claims.

In my admittedly limited sample size, it seems it is easier to get 8s than 6s.

8s have enough looks for two and look at other things like status/money/personality.

6s are so insecure and want Ryan Gosling or bust.

 

[Stagger Lee]

LOL and HB1 would be super eager to get sexual with anyone, let alone an 8! That's just ridiculous.

No, the point is below average and ugly women do not want a below average guy, not even an average guy. They sexually hold out for an above average guy.

Is that so? And where did you get these figures from?



I would love to see your data to back up these claims.

Put down the PUA books and go out and open your eyes. If women weren't way less sexually available than men, then just about every guy could be having sex with a different girl about every night of the week. But no guy can do that short of 20-year old, handsome and rock star famous and wealthy. Well a non-rockstar guy might be able to come close if he's a M9 and willing to jump on any and every warpig.

 

[Stagger Lee]

THATS BECAUSE WOMEN AND MEN ARE SEXUALLY DIFFERENT haha. Women don't act like men sexually, nor should they. How you can say that ugly women hold out for an above average guy is beyond me. Yes they delude themselves(so do men, see: p0rn) but there are tons of married ugly people lol.

That's my point. The sexual availability difference allows females to demand more attractive men for short term/sexual encounters, but for LTR/marriage women have to accept parity in attractiveness.

A lot of women who are single and feminism is about women choosing to serially date up short term and be slvts, rather than to pair up monogamously/long term with their male equivalents. The average and below average women would like to lock down male 8's like they can male 5's, but the best they can do is get a male 8 to pump and dump them.

 

[Lexington]

Put down the PUA books and go out and open your eyes.

I do every time I go out. And while women do want sex less than men, they do want validation and they are putting out quite a bit more than you believe.

If women weren't way less sexually available than men, then just about every guy could be having sex with a different girl about every night of the week.

Yes women are less sexually available than men, but they are no so unavailable that a well-dressed, above average looking guy can't do 40 approaches and score a decent piece of @$$.

If an above average looking guy is doing 100s of approaches and getting less than a 2.5% success rate as you imply, he must be doing something very wrong.

I'm not saying every guy out there can bang super models regularly. But a guy who works out, eats right, has good hygiene, dresses himself well and studies some Game can score above average chicks on a regular basis if he does enough approaches.

 

[Stagger Lee]

I do every time I go out. And while women do want sex less than men, they do want validation and they are putting out quite a bit more than you believe.



Yes women are less sexually available than men, but they are no so unavailable that a well-dressed, above average looking guy can't do 40 approaches and score a decent piece of @$$.

If an above average looking guy is doing 100s of approaches and getting less than a 2.5% success rate as you imply, he must be doing something very wrong.

I'm not saying every guy out there can bang super models regularly. But a guy who works out, eats right, has good hygiene, dresses himself well and studies some Game can score above average chicks on a regular basis if he does enough approaches.

For the purposes of going to a bar and meeting all those requirements you've just narrowed it down to about 15% of all guys. Above average <50-40%, has to look 20-something, able to do many approaches on mixed sets etc.

The only guys I knew who could go out and regularly score average or slightly above girls were in their 20's and had male model looks and were naturals.

The guys who were just above average and having to do a lot of approaches and use PUA were infrequently scoring average to below average girls.

 

[Lexington]

For the purposes of going to a bar and meeting all those requirements you've just narrowed it down to about 15% of all guys. Above average <50-40%, has to look 20-something, able to do many approaches on mixed sets etc.

The only guys I knew who could go out and regularly score average or slightly above girls were in their 20's and had male model looks and were naturals.

The guys who were just above average and having to do a lot of approaches and use PUA were infrequently scoring average to below average girls.

Well you must live in a real sh*thole and you should consider moving. Like I said, if you can't do 40 approaches and score an HB6/7, you are either very hideous looking or you must have terrible Game.

 

[Mike32ct]

Anyway how did this thread go from decent guys in their 30's who can't get ANY women to men all are trying to only date 9's and girls way out of their league?

^This. It somehow jumped from a few 6/7 guys wanting say 6/7 girls to wanting HB9.999s lol.

Good question.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Well you must live in a real sh*thole and you should consider moving. Like I said, if you can't do 40 approaches and score an HB6/7, you are either very hideous looking or you must have terrible Game.

You mean score a 6/7 on that HB scale you posted that had deformed, masculine faces and no body showing who were really 4's? Sure a lot of guys could score that 6/7 with about 40 approaches. That's providing they're not pushing 40 and balding and above average looking .

 

[Scormus]

It is beyond me how one can rate a girl on face alone. The body is far more important

 

[Scormus]

I covet tall women.

 

[Lexington]

You mean score a 6/7 on that HB scale you posted that had deformed, masculine faces and no body showing who were really 4's? Sure a lot of guys could score that 6/7 with about 40 approaches. That's providing they're not pushing 40 and balding and above average looking .

So every single 6 and 7 on that scale was actually a 4? Or do you just disagree with some of them? As I said before, there is always a lot of subjectivity to the HB scale.

And again Stagger, where is your scale?

I guess some people are just defeatists. It's easier to sit around and make excuses for one's lack of success than to actually do something about it.

 

[Scormus]

I think its best to measure success with women relative to one's height, looks and age.

To make a sports analogy, if you are an expansion team you don't expect to make the playoffs let alone win a championship.

Judge your success relative to the factors you can't control. If you are pulling the best you possibly can given the hand you were dealt then that's fine.

 

[zekko]

^This. It somehow jumped from a few 6/7 guys wanting say 6/7 girls to wanting HB9.999s lol.

These threads tend to take a lot of sidetracks.

Anyway, I do think there's too much emphasis on 18-25 year old women on this site (I think Mystery talked about 18-24). Mila Kunis and Elisha Cuthbert are both 30, for example, and I imagine most guys here would find them bangable, at least.

So every single 6 and 7 on that scale was actually a 4? Or do you just disagree with some of them? As I said before, there is always a lot of subjectivity to the HB scale.

That scale was interesting. I'd like to see a similar montage for men. Although studies have shown that women will perceive the same men as more or less physically attractive, depending on his wealth and profession.

Back to your scale, yeah I didn't really agree with it, but it would be hard to post one that everybody universally agreed with. I thought the HB8s were probably the most accurate, although they just seemed to be a series of pictures of very young girls.

Really, the 4s and below are fairly irrelevant and all blend together into one undoable mess. I noticed under the 1s there was a picture of that poor woman who had a face implant.

 

[AAAgent]

@ BB

I don't agree with your conclusion. It might make sense if you are 40 or older that they find men creepy but it's all about how you act and how the individual guy perceives himself. I strongly believe in the saying that "people view you how you view yourself.". If you feel you are a creepy guy acting awkward talking to a girl 6-10 years younger, then you will give off that vibe. If you feel like your just a normal single dude that's interested in getting to know this girl through coffee, then you'll probably come off as that as well.

will your age make them second guess you? possibly but there's always obstacles in life and if you let every single detail such as your height, weight, age, race, religion, or anything else get in the way, you're just limiting you potential chances at success.

My ex bpd is/was dating a 33 year old banker. She just turned 25. Is that weird? Maybe, maybe not. I really don't care, but if they think it's fine that's what matters.

I agree with the SMV theory of men rising in value as they age and women decline in value as they age. This is of course generalizing the theory and there are always exceptions based on how you represent/sell yourself but that's besides the point.

 

[SteR]

These threads tend to take a lot of sidetracks.

Anyway, I do think there's too much emphasis on 18-25 year old women on this site (I think Mystery talked about 18-24). Mila Kunis and Elisha Cuthbert are both 30, for example, and I imagine most guys here would find them bangable, at least.

Couldn't resist: http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01637/SNN1425E---_1637400a.jpg