Someone explain to me why Incels are so heavily involved in discussions about game/dating/sex.

[Epicenter]

One could argue by being a black pill incel in a game forum he may get used to counterpoints and learns alot of stuff by accident that might help him in the future.

 

[Gamisch]

Why? Because of nature.

As been mentioned before by @Learning Curve , its disheartening to see men walking with women and "playing the game" while you are left out. This man might even see men who look like his clone walking with women. So this man tries to grasp what HE is doing wrong. This was just an example .

Unfortunately it is a representation of what's going on in society. "Normally " most topics should rather be about either getting more women ,or /and how to keep them in check /cooperative. Its like men ask and advice how to behave on the work floor, but they never even get a job .

We all get the same tools as men. But not everyone knows how to use these tools efficiently. I do agree that the negativity is annoying, as I mentioned before in this thread I've made:https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/new-forum-section-the-blackpill.278205/

Yes. my friends do want to get action. And it isn’t 3 or 6 months. I seriously believe some are virgins. And they’re middle aged. My ‘strip club’ buddy definitely wants action.

I also have a few friends like this. Incredibly smart men. More on the nerdy side of the spectrum. For years it annoyed me that they didn't chase tail like I did. But mainly because I felt like I didn't want to associate with " unsuccessful men".

Until I learned that "fellow DJ,S " can be extremely self centered and narcissistic. They'll drop you and everything for women. So I rather hang with an reliable ,trustworthy incel than a sneaky, unreliable wingman who'd feck your wife and even your mother if he had the change.

I've learned that NO WOMAN should determine how you view yourself OR others. (Some/most) Women are fickle and want things that ..lets say a decent man on his grind can't even phantom. These two friends could, or even should be really decent men and fathers if giving the change. But the women who'd fit them perfectly rather get played and pumped and dumped by men like...me.

At the end of it all, I start to respect them more and more. I can't be at peace if I don't have women. They seem to do fine without women. If I'd focus more on having a rational career instead of chasing emotional highs through women my life would've been much better now.

 

[The Duke]

If I'd focus more on having a rational career instead of chasing emotional highs through women my life would've been much better now.

Somewhere that desire to be a male stripper relates to this statement. Focus on what pays long term dividends. Use your time and energy wisely.

 

[CornbreadFed]

As been mentioned before by @Learning Curve , its disheartening to see men walking with women and "playing the game" while you are left out. This man might even see men who look like his clone walking with women. So this man tries to grasp what HE is doing wrong. This was just an example .

This is the main reason why you can't just forget about women. OP is not realizing that the incel's friends more than likely have partners of their own. Homeboy is screwed unless he never leaves his house.

 

[corrector]

Somewhere that desire to be a male stripper relates to this statement. Focus on what pays long term dividends. Use your time and energy wisely.

You meant to quote and reply to @Gamisch.

 

[Gamisch]

Somewhere that desire to be a male stripper relates to this statement. Focus on what pays long term dividends. Use your time and energy wisely.

Good point....

Its was actually offered by someone I know pretty good, not particularly my dream career haha. But even then the outcome is the same. You definitely make a good point here.

Tell me sir @The Duke , I get the feeling you are not to enthusiastic about that whole stripper thing?

 

[MatureDJ]

It's like most of these dudes are convinced that something about themselves they cannot change will forever stop them from getting laid and doing well with women. Most have even accepted their fate. So it is confirmed that these guys admit they will never be able to get attractive women or do well in the game. Fine, we get it.

Here is where I get lost.

Why not just move on?

Like dude, you suck with women, why not just move on from game/dating/sex entirely and go do something else that is productive with your life? Like why not just become a videogame addict FFS? Why not take up farming or gardening or a useful life skill? Why continue to talk about game, dating, and sex when you know you will never have it?

Why not just move on from it all entirely and go dedicate your life to something unrelated to it?

And do not give me that BS that every man DESERVES a woman, that is nonsense. As a man, you do not deserve $hit.

You are not entitled to love or intimacy from a woman if you do not bring what she wants (whatever that may be based on the times we are in) to the table.

So why not just give up entirely and dedicate your life to something else?

Why not just butt out of all of these discussions and all of these things centering around game, sex, and dating and just go focus on something else entirely?

Because they still cling to the hope-cope that Game can help them ascend?

 

[corrector]

The happiest time of my life was when I was in late middle school/early high school coming home from school and playing xbox live during it's peak. I was also a virgin then. The saddest time of my life was when I was getting those one-night stands once every 3 months. I think the longest dry spell I ever had was a year after losing my virginity, but I got a few hookups then. I would much rather be a curious/clueless virgin then get teased with one night stands every couple of months and constantly be thirsting for more.

What was the nature of those ONS with you? Did you dumpster-dive? Was there pity-sex involved? You wanted to have a relationship but they didn't want to see you again afterwards or want to have anything to do with you? Now I can see why you are a relationship type of guy. The ONS is whetting your appetite and you have NOTHING afterwards. It's like being hunry, having an appetizer but the main steak dinner never comes and you are hungry again and have to wait what is a long time to get another appetizer? This is why you called it "teasing"?

There is no question that having sex with a strange women is one of the emptiest things in the world and that's why most incels, apart from the losing virginity part, tend to be relationship-guys rather than notch-count guys. That even if someone was guaranteed (unpaid) sex once every few months or twice per year would probably be worst off than someone who is straight celibate with women and only gets intimate if there is a relationship/marriage or at least FWB (or her onlyfans subscription?) so there is a sense of continuity.

 

[corrector]

To add to the discussion:

what qualifies a self-described incel to offer advice about women, relationships, dating, seduction and sex? And why do so many of the forum incels/black pill crowd repeatedly try to offer advice on subjects they are utter failures in?

The question is mostly rhetorical.

Because I can. I'm also going to apply for some jobs, with a good pay, that I'm not qualified for and will see if I'll get the interview anyway as is also my right to do.

 

[Gamisch]

What was the nature of those ONS with you? Did you dumpster-dive? Was there pity-sex involved? You wanted to have a relationship but they didn't want to see you again afterwards or want to have anything to do with you? Now I can see why you are a relationship type of guy. The ONS is whetting your appetite and you have NOTHING afterwards. It's like being hunry, having an appetizer but the main steak dinner never comes and you are hungry again and have to wait what is a long time to get another appetizer? This is why you called it "teasing"?

There is no question that having sex with a strange women is one of the emptiest things in the world and that's why most incels, apart from the losing virginity part, tend to be relationship-guys rather than notch-count guys. That even if someone was guaranteed (unpaid) sex once every few months or twice per year would probably be worst off than someone who is straight celibate with women and only gets intimate if there is a relationship/marriage or at least FWB (or her onlyfans subscription?) so there is a sense of continuity.

Good point , I only disagree with the last part. That's like saying a homeless guy who at very least gets a steak from his family with Christmas and on his birthday is worst off than a homeless guy who never gets a steak year round.

Because I can. I'm also going to apply for some jobs, with a good pay, that I'm not qualified for and will see if I'll get the interview anyway as is also my right to do.

A fat slob could be a master analyst of sport xyz, while thus being unable to perform in sport xyz. He might be able to explain exactly what's going on, but if he tries to kick the ball himself he rips off all his muscles.

If we're being honest, a lot, if not most members here already come from a era before internet and feel like OLD has changed the dating landscape is such a way that they're having extreme difficulties to keep up with the game. Yet they refuse to give up, and some might even have tons and tons of experiences with women ect. Getting older and losing looks, moving and losing social circles, becoming beta and settling for one woman eventually ect.

All valid reasons why a former Chad/player can ,lets say already see the lights shining from Incel Ville in a far distance. He aint there yet,but if we define an incel as a man who didn't had sex for 6 months...then we all know tons of men are constantly fighting just to get those two notches in before the Incel committee dressed like the Grand reaper knocks on his door . Like renewing a passport every six months.

 

[corrector]

Good point , I only disagree with the last part. That's like saying a homeless guy who at very least gets a steak from his family with Christmas and on his birthday is worst of than a homeless guy who never gets a steak year round.

In analogy, I meant an LTR was like the streak-dinner while the ONS is like the appetizer (ie french fries or something to ease hunger before the main course comes). @CornbreadFed was not a happy camper with his once every three month ONS and said he'd prefer to be a clueless virgin than that. If an incel had hot STR's (short term relationships) up to 6-9 mo with hot girls and there were no dry-spell gaps longer than a few months, or nasty break-ups, before finding another STR then that would probably be a sweet-spot between ONS and LTRs (LTRs tend to be more dreaded unless you are exceptionally compatible).

So it's the homeless guy that gets promised a steak but has oatmeal with raisins instead twice per year.

 

[Gamisch]

In analogy, I meant an LTR was like the streak-dinner while the ONS is like the appetizer (ie french fries or something to ease hunger before the main course comes). @CornbreadFed was not a happy camper with his once every three month ONS and said he'd prefer to be a clueless virgin than that.

So it's the homeless guy that gets promised a steak but has oatmeal with raisins instead twice per year.

Involuntary celibate. I feel like that every day when i didn't fecked a woman lol. If I was Genhiz Khan I might've fecked a different woman every day at some point in my life.

Perhaps I am wrong. There are days when I am actually voluntary celibate, but those days can be counted on one hand. Nobody wants to have sex marathons 365 days a year. Every day steak gets boring too...but oke,even on "volcel days" , all it takes is one hot woman wiggling her azz in yoga pants and boom, the "voluntary " not fecking part disappears.

Funny enough that means that the only types of men who are not incels are either men in a LTR, or men who sincerely gave up on women. The former can also be a man who decides when and how he hooks up with who. But everything else is involuntary cel territory. If we're being honest.

Its like we are native Indians discussing which spears and bows are best for warfare ,while we've already seen some strange folks who came on a boat with a weapon that can be used from much larger range. This one new weapon that shoots fire(OLD) might be so powerful that it changes the face of warfare(dating) completely. And that there's no way back soon. Despite we naive natives think it's all temporarily....

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Involuntary celibate. I feel like that every day when i didn't fecked a woman lol.

THIS. And it’s my own fault, it’s kind of sad when I analyze it. If I go a day without putting my seed in a woman I do get borderline depressed.

It’s been several years that I’ve spun several chicks at once, sometimes more than one daily and as a result my brain has been conditioned to the dopamine surge each time.

It’s like any other addiction, hell lifting weights is the same, if you go at it hardcore for a while and you miss a day you literally feel depressed when you cannot.

Subject change:
It is my belief that men seeking to improve their ability to attract and retain the attention of women should be advised by those who in fact successfully do so. Not by an armchair quarterback. It is a disservice to those seeking advice.

“In theory, practice and theory are the same; in practice, they are not.”

 

[Epicwinguy]

Idk, for some reason I can't help but see a faint glimmer of hope

 

[corrector]

Involuntary celibate. I feel like that every day when i didn't fecked a woman lol. If I was Genhiz Khan I might've fecked a different woman every day at some point in my life.

You'd be a fakecel-incel if you self-describe yourself as incel under those terms.

Funny enough that means that the only types of men who are not incels are either men in a LTR, or men who sincerely gave up on women. The former can also be a man who decides when and how he hooks up with who. But everything else is involuntary cel territory. If we're being honest.

There are different type of fakecel-incels if you want to make a fakecel universe. Some might argue that I'm a fake-cel too since my limited experience with women in the past would disqualify me, but I'm more of a trucel than most people who claim to be incel. If you have a dry-spell for a decade then I think that re-claims trucel status.

 

[Epicwinguy]

A lot of us are sure of what the problem(s) is and are either sure we can't fix it or don't know how we can. I'm finally making progress on my career, but as for becoming witty it will be a long harsh road.

 

[CornbreadFed]

There are different type of fakecel-incels if you want to make a fakecel universe. Some might argue that I'm a fake-cel too since my limited experience with women in the past would disqualify me, but I'm more of a trucel than most people who claim to be incel. If you have a dry-spell for a decade then I think that re-claims trucel status.

I managed to fvck 5 different girls in one night during my Incel days. I classify an Incel as someone that has in between dry spells lashing more than 6 months and completely unable to make it past a first date with a woman.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

OP,

An incel who is actually trying is worth having here. Learning how game works and understanding female nature (along with bouncing back after a bad breakup and exchanging field reports) is probably one of if not THE primary purposes of SS. Generally, this place is to help men out with women. I agree that the guys who just complain nonstop and don't listen are annoying, but I think those guys are a very small, albeit vocal, minority. But regardless, there is nothing inherently wrong with incels being part of this community. They are wired just like we are and WANT to have sex with women.

One of my very best friends IRL who is like a brother to me is what I would consider an incel. He hasn't had a relationship since a high school girlfriend almost 20 years ago. I doubt he has been sexually active in that time. And he honestly isn't a bad looking guy. But I envision him being here. He wouldn't know anything about attracting women and he lacks confidence in even speaking to them. But if he wanted to get better, this place would be a great starting point for a guy like him. He is a guy I would want to help. Everyone has to start somewhere.

I think those Incels are quite rare these days. The typical Incel these days is nothing like you may have been used to on this forum. The typical Incel is far more sinister and far beyond help for this place or really any other place. A good example is Eliot Rodger, that is the kind of Incel I am talking about and the community he came out of.

Unfortunately, those are what most incels are these days. Hateful towards society, victim mentality, self-loathing mindset, and a parasite that just needs to infect every area it can. At its worst, they turn into school shooters like Eliot did.

You cannot reason with them, you cannot help them, and you cannot in any way show them the way. They are beyond help.

My whole reason for this thread is why these things cannot just move on from game and dating if they have given up. Why do they continue to discuss it and infiltrate discussions around it. Why do they continue to spread nonsense like the black pill.

My take is that they should just give up all discussions, thoughts, and anything of the sort around women altogether and get into a non-sexual hobby.

Do what the men in Japan do and turn into videogame addicted herbivores.

 

[Learning Curve]

Incels are going to exist no matter what are the circumstances. This is why this forum, books, gurus, and all these self-help books exist.

Can't tell you how many times I meet men who never had a woman in their life and once they meet the "one" as they call it and label that woman as if she is from another planet they turn into these beta male pleasers.

There is nothing you can do to help those men. These men are either going to sacrifice time, effort, and energy to change like most of us probably did in this forum or they will suffer a mediocre life, marriage, and ultimate death.

I have friends that act this way, even if I try to help them they get back to the same roots as soon as they meet a woman that they just can't handle anymore. This starts with the father and then moves to the son. For any of them to be rewired in their brain it needs a tremendous amount of work ethic, emotional discipline, and self-control or a slap in the face.

Usually, getting dumped quite a few times works for some guys once they realize what they do actually does not work.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

I think those Incels are quite rare these days. The typical Incel these days is nothing like you may have been used to on this forum. The typical Incel is far more sinister and far beyond help for this place or really any other place. A good example is Eliot Rodger, that is the kind of Incel I am talking about and the community he came out of.

Unfortunately, those are what most incels are these days. Hateful towards society, victim mentality, self-loathing mindset, and a parasite that just needs to infect every area it can. At its worst, they turn into school shooters like Eliot did.

You cannot reason with them, you cannot help them, and you cannot in any way show them the way. They are beyond help.

My whole reason for this thread is why these things cannot just move on from game and dating if they have given up. Why do they continue to discuss it and infiltrate discussions around it. Why do they continue to spread nonsense like the black pill.

My take is that they should just give up all discussions, thoughts, and anything of the sort around women altogether and get into a non-sexual hobby.

Do what the men in Japan do and turn into videogame addicted herbivores.

Send 'em to the Everglades.